Classic World Building Questions:>1) What setting would you choose for your scenario? Modern? Fantasy? Sci-fi? Based in reality?>2) What's the main supply of slaves?>3) In case of mass enslavement, how are new slaves kept and trained to ensure they won't rebel or disrupt the society?Questions for Masters/Mistresses:>1) How do you want your slave(s) to view you/feel about you?>2) Would you consider training new slaves in groups or pairs?>3) Would you train slaves with a history before enslavement, like friends, lovers, enemies, etc?>4) What general feelings would you want your slaves to have towards each other? Competition? Jealously? Hierarchical obedience? Affection? Partnership?Questions for slaves:>1) How would you get adjusted to a new Master, or your life as a slave?>2) Would your Master assign the duty of training you to another trusted slave, training you himself, or train you with another slave?>3) If trained in a group or as a pair, who is the other slave? Your friend, your enemy, your lover, etc.>4) What training will you be put through?Questions for Switches:>1) Are your Master and slave fantasies always separate, or do you like to imagine role reversals?>2) Are there differences in how you would treat your slave(s) vs. how you imagine being treated as a slave?Last thread:>>11328199*******************************No judging here! Post whatever you want relevant to the thread topic.*******************************
I've been way too busy to even relax in my stand by pose in the livingroom corner lately. It's honestly frustrating.
What do you think about elegant slaves?
>Be me>Own a yandere slave>100 day anniversary of her enslavement>Woken up by her in the morning>She has a box next to her spot on the floor>Immediate interrogation begins>"Master i am so sorry for keeping more secrets from You my Eternal and Glorious Lord Master but please forgive Your lowly slave, i am a servant of Your Eternal Will">Uh oh she figured out how to be smart enough to use words again>"i have drawn a portrait of You in the time before You wake up every single day, Master. please forgive Your lowly toil husk for daring to keep yet another secret from You, Master...">Search through the box>There's way, way more than 100 here>Infact they go back roughly 3 years prior to me even meeting her, much less enslaving her>Have to bring her back from the edge of breaking out in tears by a reassuring headpat and ordering her to kiss my feet while I sort through the box>Yeah this thing sure can draw...>art slave will now be added to her duties
>>11350157Pretty hot! I would still punish the slave if she did that, I have no tolerance for secret keeping or lies so my fist goes up her ass.Using her artistic skills nonetheless is cool, I'd probably task her with tattooing the other slavegirls and painting my galleries
>>11349970yeah i've been going through the same lately and it's like i can feel the corner staring at me.do you at least larp in other ways like vaccuuming on all fours and having it coil round your body, and belt round your upper arms for washing up so you can only use below the elbow?Also wearing any kind of makeshift gag and leash just like anything to get that hit
>>11338463>>11338187>>11337883Anons from the previous thread that went full time, how did it work for you?How were you able to switch between slavery and interacting with the regular outside world (which I assume you inevitably had to).Did you keep in touch with people, did they know? Friends, family?And once it's over how can you just.. go back to regular life?I've read Actually Trying by Hall, recommended in one of the above posts and it definitely resonates, but I'm really scared that if I ended up in some in-between arrangement it would just exacerbate the issue. How could I motivate myself to plan and execute for things like relationships or work, when on the other side I'm getting used to having the perfect motivation in the form of Master's will and threat of punishment? I'm just afraid that rather than living the life that's meant for me, I'd just end up having the stresses of a free person's life exacerbated by the fact that I get some relief but then have to return to it.
>>11350190I love the idea of a religion built around slavery
>>11350190>>11350638I love these images. I wish they were a little more dehumanizing though; like if the bench were a bit shorter so her breasts would dangle free, then milk her like cattle.
>>11350190It's just irresponsible not to punish slaves like that. Sure I gave her that small mercy of ordering some foot worship to help calm her down, but she knows she's doing something wrong being afraid of telling Master for that. Not beating her would upset her more, since surely Master doesn't like her anymore considering He won't even gain joy from hurting her. A freeform beating is good for this. Grab the crop in one hand, a clump of her hair in the other, march her over to some open space and throw her on the floor. The fact that the lashes, kicks, punches, slaps, and all manner of scolding only stops when Master is happy will actually assist in maybe forcing another secret out of her. Yandere's are like that. Sometimes you do have to do something about just how fucking weird such slaves are even if punishment doesn't really fit. Like if while begging for something she praises you for how perfect your feet and every single boot and shoe you own is, since she can reproduce them accurately from memory due to being "awestruck by the divine perfection this lowly insect is gifted with the privilege of worshipping every single day"I had to drive her out to some rural area for that. Have her run laps until the sun went down. Very glad nobody ever saw her, but fuck she was just filthy by the end. Had to hose her down before I even let her back inside.
>>11350662Agreed, Free Cities has that for degradationist places, so only the extremities are chained and the breasts, buttocks and the face are hanging free so no one can miss the humiliating spectacle as the girl is punished, degraded and milked.
>>11350379>Anons from the previous thread that went full time, how did it work for you?>How were you able to switch between slavery and interacting with the regular outside world2020 was a wonderful time, anon. We started in January only when we were both off work. You learn how to partition your life to be able to do it.When lockdown started I could neet it up all day (if neeting includes being a live-in slave girl). We made a commitment that I would be full-time until lockdowns ended... we thought that would be a few weeks at the time...I wasn't even allowed outside without being gagged (under my facemask). This is way harder than you think because if you start drooling then the mask gets horribly wet; I definitely had to carry spares to swap in the bathroom.>Did you keep in touch with people, did they know? Friends, family?Sort of.At first my partner set limits on my online communication but after about a week we had a conversation and mutually agreed to change the rules. As long as I performed my rituals and remained attentive as a slave, I was allowed to chat with online friends freely. Many of them knew, but many of them also didn't.We had one couple of irl friends who knew, and we didn't include them in it. Otherwise we concealed the slavery stuff.I could dress however I needed to when video calling people who didn't need to know.>And once it's over how can you just.. go back to regular life?It was forced on us unfortunately and we didn't have the choice to continue the relationship. We parted on good (but sad) terms.Honestly it hurt a lot to have to go back to not having that since it was basically a breakup. Just like any other breakup, you learn how to move on.
>>11350834>Anons from the previous thread that went full time, how did it work for you?>I'm really scared that if I ended up in some in-between arrangement it would just exacerbate the issueEven in the ideal scenario with the most controlled interaction to live out my fantasies full-time, I still had to maintain a mask outside my slave life to interact with people who weren't involved in our play. There's not really a way around it because denying someone social interaction is abusive.The thing that makes this servitude relationship work is not master's will or the threat of punishment, but rather your desire to realize your own self-image. Like the other anon said, this sort of irl full-time slavery actually gives you, as the slave, a lot of agency to make the decision to serve. My partner and I wrote our rules together, and before being punished we would usually work out if there was an issue with the rules (and often there wasn't).It is very, very rewarding to execute the rituals that I've been mandated, and to accept discipline. By putting someone else's comfort over my own, I was actually rewarding myself.
>>11350379I'm the first and third anon you linked, I presume the messages before me are from the second.>Did you keep in touch with people, did they know? Friends, family?Yes, yes, and no. I had access to my phone and laptop, although they usually stayed in the kitchen. I also was not allowed to sleep with my phone. I wanted to go completely without it, but keeping them in the kitchen was our compromise. Because it's sort of necessary for driving, and emergencies come up, and I do think it's important to keep up with friends.Most of my friends are people that I met at dungeons, rope studios, and munches. So of course they know. The friends from college that I'm close to know. Hometown friends and parents just know that I was living with my gf for a while.
>>11350834>>11350835I'm NTA you're quoting but I am in communication with her. Even if its not exactly like what you're describing its good to hear this. >The thing that makes this servitude relationship work is not master's will or the threat of punishment, but rather your desire to realize your own self-image. This exactly is what I want anyone who even suspects, much less knows, that they are a slave to hear. It sums up a lot. It's not a status that is forced and inflicted on you, no matter how horny that would make you, but instead something you are actively involved in as you come to terms with what you are and how you were put on this earth for other people. >By putting someone else's comfort over my own, I was actually rewarding myself.This too I suppose. Love saying stuff like that. Slavery enriches both the slave and who she serves.
>>11350910 (cont)>And once it's over how can you just.. go back to regular life?>"in-between arrangement", "get some relief but then have to return to it"Sure, as a slave motivation is a lot easier. But going back to my normal life wasn't so bad, because I actually kinda like my normal life. I missed programming, missed all my friends, and I was excited to see them again. Despite my executive dysfunction I'm actually a very ambitious and self motivated person, and I don't mind getting back to that. Although I find it more fulfilling to prep meals for my mistress.Most arrangements are in-between arrangements, and no arrangement lasts forever. I wouldn't call that a bad thing. You should do whatever is fulfilling to you. If your arrangement exacerbates an issue, communicate. Talk about it so that your dominant can incorporate your feedback to change the arrangement and fix the issue.And furthermore, to echo >>11350835, what makes it work is not the threat of punishment. Common misconception. Punishment is for creating discipline, but all discipline is essentially self-discipline. Your dominant cannot actually "make you" do anything. Even if someone puts a gun to your head, the decision to hand over your wallet is yours, and cannot be taken away from you.But your dominant can inspire you to do things. Yet at the end of the day you have to follow the rules because you believe that following the rules is important, and because they're good for you, and because you want to be a good submissive who follows the rules and does their best for their dominant. It has to be driven by submissive desire. The agency is yours.
>>11350910I don't have much to add but I see we have another fan of the "femboy pink" colour for anything a slave would wear that isn't metal. >>11350914And god that picture is just one of the best things Ive ever seen. >But your dominant can inspire you to do things.This too is a good philosophy to have. It's giving you a reason to live your life that way, not forcing you to live your life in that way. Personally I would be very hesitant to disallow a slave from seeing her friends at all. Even in the most extreme cases where she very literally wants to deliver her nude body to me and never be seen again, its important that every single person who is important to her can in some way be at peace with what she is. Stuff like that is going to eat away at her even if she lives the dream of never seeing the human world again, no matter what she tells her owner about it.A lot of what is said on slavery relationships is going to come down to communicating as best as possible in the face of what will be a very extreme lifestyle causing extreme emotions that will cloud that part of a slaves mind in a lot of ways. Seriously though love that picture. One of the better ways to express "degrading affection" ive seen.
There are a bunch of things slightly off, and I'd like to clarify that we do not have beef, before going through and giving my thoughts.>>11350913>I am in communication with herI am the quoted anon, and I don't think I know you or anyone else here.>how you were put on this earth for other peopleThis sounds like a projection of your particular fetish. Which is fine, but every practitioner has their own philosophy. These thoughts may or may not resonate with everyone, and in fact they don't with me.But yeah I would say "actively involved in" is the point I ended up making in >>11350910 and >>11350914.>>11350919>femboy pinkI tried to make an unspoken joke about how what I was describing was just normal everyday life stuff. It's a random picture from the internet though. I wear all black most the time, and all my gear is also black.>Personally I would be very hesitant to disallow a slave from seeing her friends at all.I... actually agree. Even though I'm the one who wanted to give up my phone. The reasoning is that, when it's time to end the relationship, they need support to fall back on. Not allowing that is some cult leader shit. There would also probably have been an issue if I didn't have people to stay with/wasn't independently wealthy.>love that picture. One of the better ways to express "degrading affection" ive seen.It's one of my favorites as well. I don't really get degredation from it though. More just love and devotion from someone who knows their place, and someone who affirms it. Or a slave who is physically or emotionally destroyed, and a master putting them back together. Or a bunch of other things, basically all of them affirming rather than degrading.I'm curious though, what you get from this, and if you consider being a slave to be high social status or low social status. In a literal sense it is supposed to be low status, but usually I get "Oh, that's so cool!" at kink events irl. Is that a major part of your enjoyment?
>>11350985>I don't think I know you or anyone else here.Ah my apologies, I was referring to someone else. Honestly might not have been wise to say that, been having enough sleep disorder hours being worried about her. >This sounds like a projection of your particular fetish. Yeah I do that sometimes. Its important not to let other people step on your interpretation of kink even if you are on the submissive side. So I still appreciate you pushing back on that a bit. >I... actually agree.Yeah this is absolutely something a slave would have to talk me into. Having supportive people to stay with is 100% a must for even getting close but if I take "independently wealthy" to mean you literally could buy a apartment and afford the basics of life due to having some serious investments or something then that would actually be the deciding factor in letting a slave go through with that. That's going to make it really hard to actually ruin her life even on accident compared to a lot of people.For sure reading into something a internet stranger has not really said at all but I can imagine a kind of girl who would be a daughter of some extremely well of family and got the independent wealth to fall back on that way. How that interacts with her desire to be a slave is a whole part of the social status discourse, but I would absolutely take such a girls desire to just be completely dehumanized in a lot of ways like that more seriously knowing that she can fall back on those resources. There's still the emotional collapse not being my slave could cause her, but knowing she wouldn't be homeless would make me feel far more safe.
>>11351047>In a literal sense it is supposed to be low status, but usually I get "Oh, that's so cool!" at kink events irlThere's this gap between how slaves are talked about and what actually existing as one is often seen as, yeah. The biggest way to talk about it is actually how you saw affirming rather than degrading from that image. Its absolutely a positive thing for that slave, but a lot of the composition of that image is stuff that would be naturally degrading, the nudity among a fully clothed Master, all the body language of just crying into their chest, baring their emotions just as they are baring their body. It's degradation as the natural state of a slave, and thus images like that are just giving them this affection while still affirming their natural state. From the Master side I consider a slave to be a extremely valuable thing, something I would like to be bound to me forever, and thus the longer a slave is by my side and the more devoted she becomes the higher value she is. All this talk of dehumanization and calling slaves literal dirt does betray the fact that, for me at least, owning a slave is a mark of having made my life really whole for the first time, and as such that slave even if I feel safe putting her through the most cartoon levels of dehumanization is by far the most valued person I know. I actually think identifying as a slave is a big step up from "sub" so getting "hey that's cool!" is way more of a commitment to kink as a full on lifestyle than just a sex life which actually does make you higher status. We also may be working off limited language with the word "degradation' since I totally want my homies to feel safe enough to cry into my chest just not in the same way where I punish them for not being nude. Idk man, slaves are the most valued completely braindead bootlickers that I love dearly and want to spend the rest of my life grinding into the dirt.
>>11350985> I am the quoted anonAnon in >>11350913 (with whom I am in contact) was referring not to your post, but the post you were quoting, ie >>11350379, which unless my mental deteriorated further, was in fact written by me>>11351047> been having enough sleep disorder hours being worried about herPlease don't. I'll be okay.
>>11350834>>11350835>>11350910>>11350914Tysm for the answers, they are truly, deeply helpful.> realize your own self-image> I actually kinda like my normal lifeWhat I learned about myself is that I'm entirely driven by extrinsic motivation (ie approval of others, fear) and I'm no longer capable of experiencing significant intrinsic motivation (who I want to be). Even at work, I get more motivation from my boss telling me I did a good job than anything else and it's a pathological arrangement cause reward for doing a good job is more autonomy which means less extrinsic factors/motivation. And when I do fuck up people will try to appeal to intrinsic motivation - "Don't *you* want to succeed?" - and I'll just go in my head "No? I don't care, I just want to make you happy".
>>11351082 cont.So I think for me the appeal of slavery is getting to completely center my life around an extrinsic motivator - serving my Master - and tightening the feedback loop, being told I did a good job or punished within ~24h of doing something.But that would entail completely removing what remains of my capacity to operate with intrinsic motivation and I think at that point I would completely lose the ability to function outside of the context of slavery, rendering it impractical.I'm unsure if I can work out any kind of intermediate arrangement at all or what to do in general. Currently at 3rd attempt of therapy, it's not really helping.
I liked the discussion of cold in the last thread. Made me think, imagine scenarios. Cold gives lots of opportunities for 'legal' exhibitionism. Imagine going outside with>a gag and a shock collar under a scarf>ear plugs or just headphones under a cap>mittens are pretty much bondage as they are, hard to improve on them lol, or some blouses have a single pocket for both hands, which can be cuffed there>ropes under your jacket>stilettos that make it very hard to walk on snow/iceYou can simply go on a 'romantic' walk like that. Or he can torture you by actually underclothing you if you're wearing just thin jacket and a skirt, then in freezing temperatures you can tremble from the cold while being clothed 'properly' in the eyes of strangers, who don't see that you have no underwear or even a shirt under the jacket. People from warmer countries may not know this, but there are temperatures in which we need 2 or 3 layers of clothes, 2 pairs socks with winter boots etc to keep warm. I'd love to hear your ideas!
>>11351274Agreed that's what makes cold so good. I do enjoy the idea of making my slaves go out naked for short periods of time.
>>11351274Yeah I very clearly live in the same grid square as anon. Lots of fun opportunities for torture.I'm not as into the heavy bondage stuff, except if you haven't been able to convince me that you are comfortable with wearing a really obvious collar out there doing it under a scarf during winter is a good compromise, but yeah, you need heavy clothing a lot of the time. Honestly I am weird and always needed way less than most people which I am sure would make the torture even worse. As always, forced to only wear skirts with no underwear, forever. Doesn't matter how cold it is, its my decision if it crosses the threshold of issuing a slave actual protective clothes for her duties or not. It's a decision made because I like girls and want them to dress cute and feminine, not just because I want to torture them.Lots less people outside during the winter too. Can bring a slave out for walks and have some good stretches where its unlikely someone will walk up on you. Can get her servile little heart absolutely pounding by ordering her to drop to her knees infront of you while you sit down somewhere. Stuff like worshipping my boots I would need to absolutely certain we would never be disturbed, but if a good place can be found she would also be unzipping her thin jacket while doing so. As much as public humiliation and exhibitionism excites me its very, very important that you keep it away from actually public stuff. Also another one of those "a slave needs to grovel and beg before her betters that she can actually handle it" type of deals. slaves have impossibly high ideas about the level of dehumanization they can actually endure.
Some conversation was had and I want to add a few things. Apologies for avatarfagging but it will add some clarity to the conversation.>>11351047You were told this already but I want to add how important it is to understand that BDSM is not about paternalism. A BDSM relationship that is founded on anxiety from either side will quickly turn abusive. If this girl is going to emotionally collapse without you, then I guarantee you she will emotionally collapse with you, too. One of the things my partner and I gained from our experience was trust. It's really important to have a secure attachment style if you're going to engage in this kind of play.>>11351082>entirely driven by extrinsic motivationOk yeah, we're incredibly similar people then. I'm also very extrinsically motivated by nature and naturally form my entire self perception through the lens of how it makes others see me (which is something I've worked on in therapy but that's another whole thing).Being ego-driven in that way can be really dangerous because it leaves your mental state reliant on the perception of other people. If you want therapy to help you you have to be willing to discard some of your own internal sacred cows. Full time slavery won't save you.>>11350910>phone and laptopI think your story is interesting because I tried to do the same thing for more or less the same reasons. I also really wanted to go device-less and have my ability to communicate denied. In practice, I found that too restrictive to actually live with and really realized how important it was to me to be able to talk to my friends. The only time I couldn't use a phone/laptop was during specific punishment sessions.Fun fact though, I learned how to type with my hands behind my back so I wouldn't have to remove my cuffs.
>>11350914>Punishment is for creating discipline, but all discipline is essentially self-discipline.This is a really good way of putting it.Honestly being a slave was really similar to role playing in a tabletop RPG long term. I very quickly got into a headspace that I definitely cannot put myself into right now.I was able to tell myself "my sole purpose is to serve" and that way ended up being able to do things like wake up early and make breakfast but then wait for my partner to wake up and eat before eating myself, and to strictly avoid masturbating no matter what because if I have time to pleasure myself I have time to pleasure my owner.It was incredibly rewarding.
>>11351274>You can simply go on a 'romantic' walk like that. Or he can torture you by actually underclothing you if you're wearing just thin jacket and a skirt, then in freezing temperatures you can tremble from the cold while being clothed 'properly' in the eyes of strangers, who don't see that you have no underwear or even a shirt under the jacket. People from warmer countries may not know this, but there are temperatures in which we need 2 or 3 layers of clothes, 2 pairs socks with winter boots etc to keep warm. I'd love to hear your ideas!This is one of my most present slave fantasies - the complete disregard of my own needs and wants as long as they don't impede my ability to serve, in favor of my owner's pleasure. As long as there's no risk to my health, what difference does it make whether I'm comfortable?Though, in all honesty, I wear shorter skirts in weather well below freezing all the time. I think it would be hot to be forbidden from wearing clothes entirely as long as there's no health risk.
>>11351455> If this girl is going to emotionally collapse without you, then I guarantee you she will emotionally collapse with you, too.I'm still not sure of exactly the right way to say this, and I appreciate your concerns about just how abusive that whole practice sounds, but I feel like the goal of a relationship like that is still to self-actualize the slave into being happy to be alive, while trying to prevent the worse case scenario of her not being able to live without Master.Different people experience this in different ways, and I have a bad habit of pushing my rather extreme interpretation of kink on people unknowingly, but I seriously believe there are a lot of people who need that acceptance that this is the kind of person they are, so that they can get attached to someone who can help build them up.Ive also got a bit of the same personality of getting really stuck on people just from the opposite end of the lifestyle. That may influence my thinking a lot. To be clear I am not celebrating the fact that a girl like that would very clearly be completely dependent, just that there's plenty of people like that who I don't think have a path to sanity without someone to be dependent on and shape that in a positive way. This is just, y'know, my kind of type. In a slavery world I would run a slave psychiatry practice. >I think it would be hot to be forbidden from wearing clothes entirely as long as there's no health risk.Yeah that's like #1 item on the list of being a domestic slave to me. Disrobe immediately upon entering Master's home, you're just a thing, not even a animal, why would you be expected to be gifted anything beyond what is absolutely necessary? It'd be great for a slave to only have seen the inside of Master's home a scant few times if at all fully clothed before being accepted into service and having to fold up her clothes next to the front door every time.
>>11349760Alright, slaveowners. How do you handle younger slaves?>why would you have one to begin with? Are you a lolicon? Bought a mother/daughter pair? Some other reason? >are younger slaves treated any differently than regular slaves by you? What about their fellow slaves?>what tasks and punishments would they be put up to considering their bodies are weaker and smaller than the others? >how are they taught the ins and outs of being a slave?>how often would they interact with their mothers and what relationship would they have with eachother?
>>11351498something something off the clock
>cooking my own dinnerI should own somebody to do this for me.
>>11351498>How do you handle younger slaves?Coldly and cruelly.>why would you have one to begin with?I like my slave enterprise to be self sustaining and demand in a Degradationist Arcology is huge as slaves degrade or "get spent" while the citizens are hungry for new fresh meat to torture. The best part of slaves compared to machines is that you can breed them to replenish their population and its a fast process we have industrialized for efficiency.My citizens make use of slaves from birth to MILF age, after which the milfs are taken and processed. One of their uses is keeping them permanently impregnated as breeding sows to replenish slave population, machines and tubes coming and going out of them to maximize production, keep them fed and "pacified".>are younger slaves treated any differently than regular slaves by you? What about their fellow slaves?A litter of slaves is born from a sow and distributed. Twins and sisters are high value and usually sold or used in packs, nonetheless all are used by the citizens in some way.>what tasks and punishments would they be put up to considering their bodies are weaker and smaller than the others?There's no task they aren't forbidden from doing. Either they succeed, or soon will find themselves replaced by another slave who can.Usually the solution to any problem is throw more slaves at it until its fixed. We got slaves to spare.>how are they taught the ins and outs of being a slave? how often would they interact with their mothers and what relationship would they have with eachother?Most are separated from their mothers since birth and taken to industrial "processing plants" where they'll be taught using a mix of drugs, robots, torture tools and propaganda the ins and outs of their roles. They're classified into categories depending if they'll be field workers (which are pumped full of steroids and lobotomized), prostitutes (taught sexual techniques and how to be entertaining and extract most money
>>11351517(cont)out of clients. Same with other roles like medical slaves, fighting slaves, breeding bulls. A wealthy enough Master can custom order a specific slave of the ethnicity, race, looks and intelligence level he deems fitting.Industrial slaves are fed from tubes that pump nutrients down their throats and anuses, while having drugs pumped directly into their genitals be aphrodisiacs or anaphrodisiacs. But custom order slaves are separated from birth along with their mothers and custom trained and broken by a specialist who takes great care in not damaging the merchandise and keeping their virginities intact until the client wishes to take them.These slaves are usually well trained, smarter than the average slave and given a role either as personal Concubines, Head Girls, Bodyguards or personal slave wives.
Do you have any issues with slaves that have been already raped and abused by their captors? Some bastard captures a girl, has he way with her, then sells her to the slaver trader once he's done?
How about a magic trick?
>>11350985>>11350919NTA. Just wanted to share that with my own slave I had great success with her keep up with friends through writting letters by snail mail, and for emergencies having a phone in the house (I live in a home with an actual copper phone line still, but it's going to be switched over to VoIP at some point). It also helps to have people who can come over and just talk to her.I miss having a slaveowning community near me, they all moved away during COVID and I remember having a slaves race on a sprinting track back in like 2015. Everyone's more prudish now somehow, or maybe I just think that because I had supportive friends.
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>>11351749>Do you have any issues with slaves that have been already raped and abused by their captors? Some bastard captures a girl, has he way with her, then sells her to the slaver trader once he's done?Nah at least to me its common practice to abuse or take their first time before selling them off unless they're custom order or special in some way.Same with them, I like to buy slaves in a cold industrial way so I don't care much about the state provided they're useful for the dystopia. Only case where I care is in concubines or slave wives, I've paid top money to capture Queens of other arcologies on the condition they keep their virginity intact or mostly intact and will execute any who lie about it.
>>11351801Damn it filled her entire intestines it seems! I love it
>>11351749If they are particularly messed up from it that would just activate the paternalism inside of me honestly. Especially if the slave thinks the only thing wrong that happened was her being "used up". Just want to have her cry into my chest, must protecc. >>11351821Actual letters would be a good compromise if her friends still felt uncomfortable seeing her. I believe that kind of connection is really important, she can't just have me, no matter how much she begs, so even if coming to see her with her completely clothed and trying her best not to act how she does every other day isn't enough of a compromise, at least that's a option. Also this is important, but did your slave win the race? Or at least do well? There's a reason why that's like, a long term fantasy of mine. I still would scold her if she finished in the top runners. Only a full on punishment for actually doing badly, but if she won, headpats and meal of human food. She's earned it.
>>11352048>did your slave winShe got 3rd out of 7. non-podium winners ran the race again but with leg irons as punishment. the last place of that race got the gatorade dispenser dumped on them. that was a fun day. i'd give anything to relive it
>>11352086Aww. I can see just how cherished a memory that is. Sounds like a bunch of fun. I live in what I always describe as a "suburb hell" so its not like lack of community is unknown to me, but it still sucks. I believe you when you say you'd give anything to relive it.
>>11352131i just wish the world wasn't so culturally dead anymore. not entirely convinced that its even safe to talk about this kind of thing in the US anymore.
Where's a good place to meet someone to do this with? I love reading these threads and getting into the headspace of it, especially that anon who goes really into depth about kneeling in place and the ideal worship positions... I've tried TPE stuff before but usually the dominant guy has lost interest after just a day or two and ghosts.Really the headspace of it is something magical, it's like I'm able to make someone else in my head and genuinely submit to them and allow that person to direct me. Alone it's cool but with someone else I think it'd be amazing.
>>11352138Hey I live in the version of that country that is supposed to be functional and also cold. We got sidewalks. Most of the time, anyways. I still wouldn't declare this place fit for habitation by living things. >>11352161I got onto fetlife a few years ago. Kind of surprised by the sheer amount of accounts that are from my hometown. That means you can fuck up your life in new ways, especially if the gap between you and the totally not normal girlies you want to enslave is perhaps not as large as you think, but its very important that you feel unhappy in ways that are in accordance with the lifestyle you want to live instead of being unhappy the normal way. >I've tried TPE stuff before but usually the dominant guy has lost interest after just a day or two and ghosts.From the dom/male side I don't think most people want to actually control someone on that level, atleast not when they're done jerking off and they can think more clearly. That might be more what you're dealing with. My experience has been, well, still not great, but different. To this day I still don't know if I have fully talked myself into believing that a few of those girlies are stalking me or not but at least I managed to get them to stop stealing random shit from my backyard. Still don't think it was teenagers looking for weed money. > it's like I'm able to make someone else in my head and genuinely submit to them and allow that person to direct meI wouldn't be surprised if this was a common experience among submissive people honestly. It's so much more of their life to them, imagining a ideal person to rule over them could be helpful in getting their life to the point where they could convince someone to take on the responsibility of taking care of them. That probably would weird out a lot of potential Masters, but its foolish to believe anyone on this planet is sane anymore.
>>11352187I'll checkout fetlife again soon... last time I checked it, I kinda had a hard time finding anyone appealing. But I'm in a city so there's lots of designated meets and stuff. But I don't know the culture or the lingo so I'd want someone to introduce me to it, ideally I think. Going in alone is weird....>From the dom/male side I don't think most people want to actually control someone on that level, atleast not when they're done jerking off and they can think more clearly. Yeah I know, and it's understandable and reasonable to have some level of personal time to yourself. I think if you lived with the person it would perhaps let you take it to that point.>much more of their life to them, imagining a ideal person to rule over them could be helpful in getting their life to the point where they could convince someone to take on the responsibility of taking care of them.That's a funny way of thinking about it. Maybe I really am just meant to be owned by and serve another person, considering I manage to be able to induce such states in myself out of desperation, need and want to be owned by another. I think it's really silly, maybe even cute. I'd love to be able to convince someone to permanently own me, you know? Get to know them, have them shape me completely how they want. I'd give them all my identity documents and cash and so on, and just allow them to treat me as their pet genuinely. Entrusting my life to someone who would be able to use my for some good.
>>11352213forgot my image! a sin.
>>11352213>hard time finding anyone appealingIt might just be that I am attracted to femininity to such a degree I took a little bit of it for myself but every single maledom I see is a gradient from "Probably just thinks these girls will be a easy fuck" to "Immediate serial killer vibes". Always feel bad for what slave girls actually have to try and attract. There's meetups in my city but Ive not been. Not yet. If I did own a slave that would actually make me want to attend them more. > desperation, need and want to be owned by anotherYeah you see what I mean about a slave having to beg really hard before she can convince me that she is safe to have all of these dehumanizing things done to her? This is exactly why. They actually are serious about entrusting their life to someone else. They can and will actually give their passports to people who aren't going to get bored of ruling over them after a few days. Its a big part of why I feel even more concern and want to protect them even more. >have them shape me completely how they wantYou do at least understand what is at the core of what a Master gets out of this arrangement. Being able to reshape someone to that degree, it's just the ultimate expression of what this lifestyle is. You are really silly and really cute though. I know you'll make someone some fine property one day. Since all the slaves seem to love getting orders from a internet stranger here I want you to go into your kitchen and just kneel infront of the sink for 10 minutes. Not even holding a painful pose or anything, should still do a slave position just whatever one is most comfortable. Reflect on how one day you will have a equal amount of rights as every appliance in that kitchen, and what you are doing right now might be a common occurrence too, as you spend a lot of time simply waiting for additional orders.
>>11352229>Yeah you see what I mean about a slave having to beg really hard before she can convince me that she is safe to have all of these dehumanizing things done to her? This is exactly why. Yeah, I totally understand. I've done the stuff in the past and if someone wanted to they could've easily pwned me and I would've had no recourse... But I trusted the people I played with. They just weren't good for TPE stuff really.Like, they could've sent nudes to my family, or they could've called them, or used my identity documents lol. I mean total power exchange is what I'm into after all! Risks are serious and it should be expected that I hold up my end of agreements or face the agreed upon punishments. Which, most doms aren't sadistic and into that stuff, but some are. I like the ones that are willing to actually follow through and punish me the most. It's a sign of mutual understanding and respect, really. As someone's slave, it's my sole purpose in existence to do what they tell me to do, and to follow any and all conditions / directions imposed upon me.>Its a big part of why I feel even more concern and want to protect them even more. That's really sweet of you! If you ever wanted to protect me, you could post your simplex or e-mail or something!!~>You do at least understand what is at the core of what a Master gets out of this arrangement. Being able to reshape someone to that degree, it's just the ultimate expression of what this lifestyle is. Yes, I feel like a lot of subs might be confused on the appeal of it for doms. I think if you're dom you probably want legitimate lasting impacts on the sub if you're in this space. Some kind of lasting impression for better or worse (depending on the guy) that says "I was here, and I left my mark"Thank you so much for the 10 minutes with my sink btw! It was stretching and nice for my muscles, and I thought a lot about how I can be a better object in the future.You're great, and I love your posts!
>>11352243NTA>10 minutes sinkWhen I do long-distance domming, It's really fun to make the slave pray for me to have good things and good vibes in the morning and evening. Since she's a little earlier timezone, she can pray while im asleep and then she wakes up and prays around the time I start work. It's also a great way to get a lazy long-distance sub out of bed because the opprotunity to make Master's day better is right there in their face.
>>11352257This is a nice thing to do in general I think. I think I'll do this for him everyday, just to be nice. I can at least pray every time I wake up and every time I go to bed for him...
>>11352243>Which, most doms aren't sadistic and into that stuff, but some are.A bunch of doms who care enough about how a slave feels also tend to not be the kind to actually inflict the misery they really need. Its a real shame. >I think if you're dom you probably want legitimate lasting impacts on the sub if you're in this space.Yes exactly. Even if things do not work out with a slave, I still want to have been a important step in her life, one that she cannot forget.So I hope you understand but I don't want to take in more strays right now. The other person I am in contact with is having a hard enough time, but that's long distance, I hope she's doing alright. But there is another one who, well, probably has a very specific Master OC in her little head. That servile neko bitch knows exactly who she is. It's been a bit over a month since I inflicted some pretty bad psychic damage on her, but its still not great to blog post about that stuff. Even if you aren't her I want you to do another fun task: On the night of sunday the 10th going into the 11th, find some way to sleep nude next to your bed. This will likely involve finding some way to make it comfortable enough, constructing a little nest using cardboard and even some little blankets, there's a couple days to figure it out, but make sure that if you want to feel good about following the orders of a internet stranger, you make it to atleast 2 or 3 AM down there, if not sunrise. Imagine yourself as being punished very dearly by Master and so he has sent you to some work camp for a few months. Its hard, but you will be even more grateful to spend your life for Him when you are sent back home. >>11352265That's just adorable actually. Makes worship even more literal. Good girl.
>>11352274>So I hope you understand but I don't want to take in more strays right now. The other person I am in contact with is having a hard enough time, but that's long distance, I hope she's doing alright. But there is another one who, well, probably has a very specific Master OC in her little head. I understand, and I hope that the girl you're talking about comes back to you soon. I'm not her though, I promise. I'll be around the general, though! I really hope one day someone here takes me in on that long term basis.>On the night of sunday the 10th going into the 11th, find some way to sleep nude next to your bed. This will likely involve finding some way to make it comfortable enough, constructing a little nest using cardboard and even some little blankets, there's a couple days to figure it out, but make sure that if you want to feel good about following the orders of a internet stranger, you make it to atleast 2 or 3 AM down there, if not sunrise.Sure thing! I'll find some cardboard probably tomorrow or so, and get everything setup. I'll make sure I do this for you.I'll journal a bit the day-of and remind myself EXACTLY why I'm in that predicament!Can't wait for the 10th now, I'm actually super excited lolI'm glad I was able to be adorable for you, that makes me feel warm inside. If there's anything you want me to do for you, no strings attached, just let me know.
>>11352283You also are not permitted to masturbate until sunrise on the 11th. I'm glad to see you're weirdly excited to obey the commands of a internet stranger. That's the type of girl I like to enslave: The ones who are just completely and visibly not normal. Make sure to do your prayers. Since you'll be calling any future ruler of your life "Master" it doesn't actually matter that much which Master exactly you are praying to.
>>11352243i think if you're anything like me, you just like the validation of being able to do something, something you actually can do>>11351801need>>11351749i feel like it would always be downplayed with each sale, like the bandit or kidnapper would do whatever, but have me locked in chastity and gagged when selling me to the auction house to pretend i'd been kept chaste. Obviously i can't be honest because if the sale falls through because they find out, i know how much i will get punished for it>>11351274>under a scarfYou should have your slave hold some snow in its mouth as a show of dedication for Master
>>11351455>Ok yeah, we're incredibly similar people thenCould we chat? I'd rather not spam the thread more.I don't want to trauma dump or anything, just interested to talk to someone that seems to be wired similarly and seems to have figured more stuff out.Please don't feel pressured, but my fetlife is slavescraps5824 if you'd be okay with it.
>>11349760Dub thread slave forgot the archives!Archive Links:https://archived.moe/d/search/subject/Slavery/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/boards/d.desu.meta/subject/Slavery/
>>11352161>I've tried TPE stuff before but usually the dominant guy has lost interest after just a day or two and ghosts.Most guys will bail when they think you don't plan on ever meeting in person. It's no fun being someone else's free entertainment.Unless I'm misreading this and you got ghosted by a guy while you were living in his house.
>>11352161>I've tried TPE stuff before but usually the dominant guy has lost interest after just a day or two and ghosts.Yeah, i think it's difficult because the Lord Master, would get no real gratification apart from any humiliating pictures which have to be staged. If you are already trained as the slave, then Master doesn't get the thrill of domesticating you, and if you aren't then Master can't really punish you as He's relying on you to administer it in His place.At least that's the cope i tell myself, but i kinda know it's also because i'm flat, and easily replaceable
>>11353226It varies from person to person, of course. The people you serve are human beings, you're just a thing, but personally since I do infact enjoy leaving such a impact on a slaves mind that long distance stuff is still satisfying for me. I still would want a girl underneath my desk in person, but that can be in addition to playing with the minds of other servile creatures while I sit at that same desk. My personal slave will still be more valued but never a full replacement for bullying weird online girls who just want to be humiliated for being flat. Its too much fun.>>11352283Likewise you still have to do this weird bullshit you promised a internet stranger. Remember: You are sleeping this way because the thought of being subjugated to such a degree that who you serve actually can send you to a forced labour camp as punishment just mushes up your brain even more.
>>11352138The people are there if you know where to look but unfortunately people are pretty cautious nowadays. I want to avoid politics but it's true that it's gotten a lot harder to talk openly about things especially based on where you live. Hopefully we'll have a turnaround soon.
>>11350638What do you think it would look like?Do you believe this religion would be based around subjugation? Or around surrender? The end result of those different "modes" would look incredibly different.
>>11353628I always try to stop myself from coming across as especially doomerpilled and just try to give slaves what they really want, which is to not have to think very much anymore. Its tough with the, y'know, planet being the way it is, but its not like your average prospective slave girl is dealing with that amazingly better than everyone else. >>11353630NTA but I believe a religion for slaves would emphasize that their default state is slavery, it was not a condition imposed on them. Thus surrender is them accepting what they are, subjugation would only really be inflicted on bad girls who don't understand what they were meant for. A subjugation religion would probably focus on a slave having to earn every single bit of her daily gruel as recompense for all that her betters have done for her, a slave has to work hard every day to pay back whatever original sin she has, but that's just the old paternalism gradient coming back. You're for sure going to want to plumb into catholic guilt for the harsher slave religions. Every single second spent idle is a second you are committing great crimes against your very soul, since it was only allowed to exist because Master willed it.
>>11353642Your answer isn't really a mix; it's a very firm "surrender" answer. Honestly I think that answer can be interesting if you lean into the fact that many slaves would have no particular psychological inclination for it. Most slaves wouldn't "really want to not think anymore", but rather they would both want to think and have their freedom but also be guilted by their religion into believing that desire is wrong.That friction would lead to really interesting stories.
>>11353660Hey man the paternalism even shines through in trying to imagine what those schismatic subjugationists believe. A lot of the religion would be based around trying to fit as many people into having a slave's mind as possible. Since it's on such a mass scale there would always be problems, especially in what class of people become slaves, but instead of just taking the immediate shortcut of a patriarchy or matriarchy you could go with having a very empowered priest class that just decides who is a slave and who is free on a personal level.When attending church service or equivalent, maybe. Have this idea of deep inside there is a persons soul and a servants soul, and a priest of one of these places can see that deep inside of someone, and it is a denial of their very being to disagree with that. As always with paternalism it is framed as being for their own good, they aren't going to be happy being free, and if they try they're just going to mess up and additionally incur the punishment of God.Add in that whatever temples or churches would often have slaves themselves and you have some good stories around a girl accepting that she has no choice but to be a slave through a lot more methods than just pain and beatings. The shrine maidens make a strong argument in favour of giving up freedom.
Some more thoughts on slave religion as a method of control: Have this religion be not quite so powerful as a full on paternalism world, instead be one of the many tools used to enforce compliance a slave owner might want to usePriests are very often travelling caravans, a single Master with two or three of the most brainwashed devoted slaves. They visit the more industrial operations to try and inspire the many slaves there to at best be compliant, but maybe work hard to end up like the slaves that visited them, however hollow a idea that is>caravan visiting the slaves during their very brief rest hours>"look at how happy we are!">"we spend our entire lives in servile bliss, because we accepted deep down what we were, and made sure we were the best slaves a Master could hope for!">"If you work really hard out in the fields you'll be rewarded too! If not in this life, then the next!"Hard to say how effective that really would be. But it's a better thing to believe in than the reality of "do as you're told or else you'll get hurt". Depends on exactly how beaten down such a slave is honestly, it might inspire further rebellion and disobedience instead.
Reporting back in! Haven't touched my bed since I saw your original post, which is quite weird honestly. For my bedding I currently have a blanket and some old cardboard I had around the house to make myself a nest. >That servile neko bitch knows exactly who she is. It's been a bit over a month since I inflicted some pretty bad psychic damage on her, but its still not great to blog post about that stuff. I love the idea of psychic damage desu. I love the idea of some tangible lasting marks being left on my mind if I were to be disappointing or not living up to the standards of my master, desu. Definitely going to sunrise! Will be cozy down here in the meantime <3
>>11351834i wanna hear more about how you'd haggle the price down for the clearly used bitch, whilst me/its spread infront of you in a dehumanising way and having to pretend to be in good condition out of fear of what the seller will do if you refuse to buy like in >>11352403Obviously it's the merchandise's fault if they lose the client>>11352274there was something very cruel about the Master doing this going into a Monday rather than a Sunday, especially as you put release day backwwards>>11353295even if it's still entertaining to a degree, it's no substitute for having the real thing. Even dumb bitch slaves like me can see that
>>11351049Being nude in front of mistress (even in front of a crowd of people staring), crying into her chest, and baring my emotions... I still don't see how it's degrading. I'm comfortable in all these situations, so it feels a lot more like being loved and cared for. It's an acknowledgement of myself that makes me feel proud to be the person that I am. That it could be construed as shameful or degrading wasn't even something that crossed my mind.It would be degrading if instead of calling me cutie and sweetie and petting my hair she insulted me and called me mean things. But we're not really into that. I think we like each other too much to pretend otherwise.There was a time at which I was not comfortable being naked in the company of a lot of other people, but that was years ago. I wear clothes in public for the benefit of the normies, and because there are laws about it that would be inconvenient to break, not because I would be embarrassed otherwise.Another interesting side effect I don't really have stage fright anymore. It all just disappeared the first time I was beaten to a pulp in front of a crowd of like 50 people at a dungeon a few years ago. I figure that, whatever the worst case scenario is for the presentation I'm giving or whatever, it's probably not any more painful or humiliating than begging for mercy until I can't move anymore. So I probably have nothing to worry about, and I can just be confident and do the thing.
>>11353730Very good girl! Infact, I am so impressed that there are no further conditions on touching yourself. Not for a few days anyways. You are free to do so until this sunday. If you spend this week wallowing in just how dehumanized you are while you masturbate over and over again that would actually be a endearing and completely expected outcome for just how your little brain deals with what you are. As for psychic damage, well that cat bitch knows who she is, I love that picture of mine actually, infact I think that's the exact one I used to illustrate how she should deal with her reality. The poor thing was still so messed up by it that she could barely play the videogames anymore. It is bittersweet to know that I did have that kind of effect, but at least she's working through it. I assume. In her own weird way filled with slave-specific autism. Perhaps there isn't much difference between the two of you creatures. >>11353836>very cruelOh absolutely. Not sure what you mean by release day backwards, I thought I got across the morning of the 11th is when release is permitted, but even if she was working a regular job it'll just mush up a slave even further the fact that what she's really meant for is getting in the way. >it's no substitute for having the real thingYes. I did choose the 11th also based on psychic wound potential honestly. Not as good as the 20th but every day spent pretending to be free is a crime against both your own soul and who that soul is bound to. If slave anon wants to post that little slave nest she's made that would be cute honestly. -not- with her body in it. It is not smart to just randomly show the internet that.
>>11353932Hey I do tune up the cruel dom voice especially in these threads now, playing off many of the slaves here, but I do actually appreciate how you don't see doing that as anything but a completely positive act. Speaks to a very deep connection and peace with this lifestyle. I'm not sure how else to explain what I am going for aside from that such acts would be degrading for someone who isn't submissive, but I feel like we're having trouble with just what that word describes. The values you have towards it are already ideal. Describing complete comfort with nudity is fantastic too. I hope your mistress gave you some good headpats once you got to that state. You're a especially good girl, honestly. Still not sure what else to say aside from the fact it is a bit funny that begging for mercy as you're beaten to a pulp is what got rid of stage fright. If only people knew where that confidence was really from.
Thank you! I appreciate the extended unlocked time. I usually keep myself locked up anyway. I really only use my butt and nipples nowadays... So I'll definitely spend this time an on-edge mess!I'm actually super curious about this psychic damage stuff. How does it work? I'd be kinda eager to try it if it has some long standing effect on me, even with the potential funsies that can arise from that kind of thing. Unintended consequences... Embarrassing stuff. Who knows.I think I like my new reality, honestly~I'll go ahead and post my little slave nest in just a second~
>>11354107And here is my bed:https://files.catbox.moe/bghw02.png
>>11354107>>11354119Wow are you like 5 feet tall or something? That's a rather small slave nest. You do actually have the exact same type of linoleum flooring I do. And the same wallpaint. Don't think there's any place that fits that specific outlet. Wonder if you're one of those girlies who keep getting mistaken for a unaccompanied minor but in reality you're just screaming internally "no i am old enough to remember windows XP i am just very small and very submissive"Psychic damage is, well, more just the kind of completely emotional wretch you can be when you experience slavery like certain slaves tend to. I used to dismiss cold friend requests from anime women out of hand before I realized that a really weird one had bound herself to me. Poor slave might have been blocked for 10 years. I had no idea. At the very least she is dealing with it in the most neurodivergent way possible. Tell me slave, how does it feel to sleep down there, knowing that its because 4chan told you to? That flooring is hard, plenty of slaves would have been told to just drop down next to Master's bed at the end of the day. You should be grateful that you are given cushioning at all. Also since you admitted that you just love to edge yourself all the time under no circumstances should you ever touch yourself wearing clothes or using furniture. You need to be on the cold hard floor for that. It's where you belong.
>>11354226>Wow are you like 5 feet tall or something? That's a rather small slave nestAww, I wish. Not that small. I just tend to sleep in the fetal position, always have, didn't need it all that long, honestly.>You do actually have the exact same type of linoleum flooring I do. And the same wallpaintOh, that's awesome! Are you on the west coast? It'd be so wild if we were even in the same building. That'd be... interesting. Heh >"no i am old enough to remember windows XPBARELY lol>Tell me slave, how does it feel to sleep down there, knowing that its because 4chan told you to? That flooring is hard, plenty of slaves would have been told to just drop down next to Master's bed at the end of the day. You should be grateful that you are given cushioning at all. It felt nice to be able to do what you told me to do. It felt nice knowing that I held up my end my responsibilities to you. Really, I feel like I'd do absolutely anything for you, because of how genuinely happy it makes me feel to be able to just listen. To just do what I'm told to do and be quiet and be happy and not have to think about anything. Just being directed, and being owned, and being played with by someone is nice. It's nice to have a purpose.>Also since you admitted that you just love to edge yourself all the time under no circumstances should you ever touch yourself wearing clothes or using furniture. You need to be on the cold hard floor for that. It's where you belong.Of course, I understand. Thank you for correcting me and ensuring that I behave according to how you'd like me to.BTW, I have to say, I really do love serving you. Thank you so much. Genuinely.
>>11354248Nah the neko bitch who likes to stand outside my windows is located in the great lakes region. Which...You know what, you've impressed me quite a bit. If she hasn't thrown herself at my feet by 11 PM on the 24th I'll take you in as a stray. Even if you aren't actually the same person and are all the way over there you're just too endearing. I will post contact info in the thread alongside a task for you to do. Another question, or rather "interrogation" fits what you are better, do you post here using a device like a smartphone or tablet or a more traditional desktop PC? I use a desktop but then I'm a person, not a thing. You should be doing so with one of those devices and on the floor. When you look at up at the furniture people use you should understand that it's only for them, not for you. You share a lot in common with furniture actually, a chair doesn't tend to wear clothes either.
>>11354276>Which...You know what, you've impressed me quite a bit. I'm really glad I was able to impress you! That means I might have finally found myself a purpose to serve, and gives me all the more reason to satisfy you, doing my best. I did move here to the west coast recently, before this I stayed on the east.I primarily just use my thinkpad to post. It's a great little laptop. I do have a camera available and I'm NEET so I'm around a lot, 24/7 scenarios are doable if you like the thrill of being able to check in anytime.>a chair doesn't tend to wear clothes either.And so now I'm going to be naked, because an object on the floor doesn't have feelings, or complain, or think. It should just be there, and be cute~I hope I get lucky and get to have the ability to serve you forever, as your eternal possession. I remember when we first started talking and you told me to sit there on my knees, and to reflect on what it'd be like to be an appliance. No more rights than an appliance either!I think it sounds perfect, honestly!~ Your object, forever.Thanks again and please let me know if I did anything wrong...~
It would appear I have accidentally hobbled myself. oh dear. lol
>>11354284Oh I'm a weird NEET too. Absolutely can play with your mind on a long term basis if I desire. I still think I should give my due to being haunted by the spectre of mentally ill neko slaves, but if you are going to submit to me on the 24th it will include a picture. Try to practice to make sure its flawless for me. Do not post those practice pictures anywhere. Since you do aspire to be a appliance when you grow up I think you should also be given some tasks to do before you curl up in your little slave nest at night. You are to do a set of 50 jumping jacks before going to bed. You can rest inbetween them, nobody really can bounce around that much to do the full 50, but make sure you do them all. Make sure to post here exactly how many of each set you did before having to rest before you lie down and dream of a eternity of being functionally as smart as a dishwasher. You're also doing just fine. I approve of how crazy and weird it is to ask a 4chan internet stranger to rule over your life and then to have it be reciprocated.
>>11354323You two really do have a lot in common! Maybe you should move it to Discord.
>>11354323Yes, may I have your discord to keep in touch? I won't bother you until it's time for me to keep up with my end of things <3
>>11354323i did my first set of 50 jumping jacks, btw...
>>11354325Yeah it might be best to not drag this all over the general. Are you okay with using fetlife? My name there is Antabolis. There is infact nobody else named after a decades old videogame there. I want you to actually send me a message, but just to be clear, I will be holding myself internally to not playing with your mind too much until the 24th. You should have no expectation of the attention of human beings, so it ultimately doesn't matter for you, but I feel like its correct that I still stick to that. Only send me a message describing your physical features, no pictures, not yet. And tell me what your ideal collar is, even if you have no power whatsoever over what you will one day be bound in. >>11354327Didn't I tell you to do it before sleeping, and also to note down if you have had to rest in between them? If you're already doing a lot of slave cardio then a set of 50 isn't that hard, so perhaps you are being truthful. Still that was displaying independent thought instead of completely braindead obedience. This will be noted for beyond the 24th.
Dungeon attracts adventuring parties. Said party fails; the boys bring them in. Business as usual.Got a slime girl this time, along with a plantgirl druid and her oni berserker. The drow knows whats up, she's seen this before, just not from this angle. And no worries, I wont flood the thread, just excited to finally get some good shots of the market place.
>>11352161The usual advice is to go to the events page on fetlife, and start going to a bunch of munches. Talk to strangers. Try to make a friend. Then go to munches and possibly dungeons with that friend. Make connections to people who live near you, and network through friends of friends. Eventually someone will want to play with you.This may not get you a dominant in a time efficient manner, but the cool part about being kinky is that you have potential friends everywhere, in whatever city you go to. You can just hop on fet and meet people, knowing that you have mutual interests and something to talk about. Not a lot of hobbies can say that. Gotta be in a city though.This is how I met all my irl friends when I moved to a new city. I had one kinky friend who lived in that city, and through them I went to a bunch of events and met everyone else. It's harder without that first friend, especially if you don't have a lot of confidence talking to strangers, but I know plenty of people who have done it.
>>11354546That's a really good AI gen actually. I only tend to post AI stuff if its got especially good composition that I like, >>11352161 actually reposted one of my favourite ones of those, but this wouldn't set off my AI detectors that much. Something to do with it not replicating the traditional artstyle maybe.Slave auction images like that are just great to pick out of a lineup too. I think I like the girl to the left of the slime girl and to the right of that princess the best. These girls all have somewhat similar body types but she is slightly more petite and also a middle ground of defiant. Sounds like fun. Honourable mention to the drow and the oni, much like picrel even if a slave is proud of being a slave and believes herself to be high value, it's another mark of pride to break that down into sharing my belief that all slaves are the exact same amount of worthless. >>11354844Yeah my advice will always be to try and do fetlife and other things since attempting to fight for this lifestyle and failing will hurt way less than never trying at all. I am continually surprised just how many accounts are where I live honestly, I don't exactly live in a city. Munches are a obvious first step, but even if you can't explain to yourself why you never went (like me), just cold messaging people will still make things happen. There is no guarantee it will suddenly make you live the life you want, but something happening is better than nothing. As any kind of feminine submissive if you can get over your fear to message dom men you actually will stand out immensely just on that alone. So there's that. Ultimately a lot of people don't post their successful kink relationships online since they are happily living their lives. Keep that in mind, there is a over-representation of unhappy weirdos, and one day you wont be posting since you will no longer be among them. And people really do not judge you to the degree that you judge yourself, it just isn't a thing.
>>11354892No, you should go to munches. Stop cold messaging people. The people you actually want to talk to do not respond to cold messages, or will troll you. I get two or three dudes in my DMs per week asking to have sex with me, or be their dom or sub or whatever. Or they act nice and try to make small talk, even though my profile explicitly states that I'm an asexual lesbian. Either way it's gross, and I don't respond to them.Good cold messages are something along the lines of "Hey, I'm new, I saw you're going to X munch, I was looking through people's bios to find out what to expect, I saw from your bio that you're interested in Y, maybe we could meet up at the event, looking forward to meeting people." That's the sort of thing I'll actually respond to. Almost everyone I know loves mentoring new people. I too have met people at munches, made friends with them, and brought them to rope nights. But please don't spam DMs. It's not a dating site.I feel like this should go without saying, but please for the love of god do not message random people and ask to start a relationship with them. Your chances of running into a predator are decently high. But the main issue is that the people who know what they're doing and have an eye for safety will almost certainly say no or ghost you. Whereas the people who don't know what they're doing and do not have an eye for safety are more likely to say yes. Even if they're well-meaning, you could be in danger.Soooo, stay safe out there.
>>11354315It would appear I have ¨accidentally¨ gotten myself captured. oh dear. lol
>>11354941...Hm. Yeah no you're probably right. Especially for submissive people that could get very dangerous. I'm not exactly dumb enough to send people random sexual fantasies all day but it's not like that's really meaningfully changed anything. >>11354990Yeah that tends to happen. You press the isekai button and you wake up in a slave market in the following morning, what can ya do.
>>11355031>You press the isekai button and you wake up in a slave marketUh, I totally didn't choose Slave as my class and drop all of my stats to 1 before clicking the button, I swear.
>>11355031How does she breathe?
>>11355491Yeah, uh, I like some of the long term isolation torture this guy draws. Reminds me of the slaves around here who want to be locked up in a box or something, just in a way that is more visibly entertaining for me, but yeah I'm not too sure if she could wriggle out of there even if she struggles a lot.Technically I think she might be able to force her head above the water very slightly if the water was also a bit lower but that's tight and considering its meant to be set up outdoors this device could turn from one for slave torture to one for slave disposal pretty quick. Personally I would only use this under extreme and permanent supervision, but probably just best to spot design flaws beforehand. You'll lose more than just the cost of rebuilding the device if you fuck that up.>>11355491>isekai slave character creator>still unhappy with being dead last in all stats>try to figure out ways to add character disadvantages>how do i add "will cry if not sold for exactly one gp"You do realize that you only need to press the button once and it might actually mess up if you slam it like 20 times right?
>>11350190Corrective anal fisting, Sir? That sounds tricky to pull off without injury, but could be quite effective. Care to elaborate on the details? Punitive painal could be good to add to my maintenance discipline.
>>11354342Sir, may I come to the defense of that slave that did jumping jacks for you?
>>11355730Hm? Yes you have permission to speak, slave. Do not misuse it.
>>11355944Thank you Sir. Well, you had instructed them to do their jumping jacks before they went to bed. And they did so about 40 minutes after your post. So, unless they had gone to sleep during those 40 minutes then woke up to do them, they did do their jumping jacks before going to bed.
>>11356032Ah. You see, my intention was that she does it directly before going to sleep. As in, dropping down to her little slave nest still a bit hyped up from that exercise. But I wasn't as clear in my orders as a slave needs, and I never really intended to punish her too badly for that, just play a bit with the cruelty that a slave lives at the whims of who they serve and I could if I wished. Perhaps doing so with slaves who are often 5 anxiety disorders stacked ontop of eachother isn't the best idea either. Either punish immediately or immediately forgive. You've done well with being given the privilege of speaking, slave. Good girl,
>>11349760Every Lyn thread is a win thread
>>11356044Putting some more thoughts into this actually, I do heavily play up the cruel dom voice in this thread. The slaves here respond really well to it, and its fun to speak that way, even if it is ironic considering the rhetoric I use to humiliate them since they've seriously influenced the way I speak. More privately I like to see myself as a inbetween of a gentle dom and the maximum cruelty often expressed here, but if you're concerned that "oh i'm scared this dom I found on 4chan is going to dm me to do some horrifically humiliating in a couple weeks that i am going to have to say no to" then yeah, its a good call to be anxious about the fact that a internet stranger is a lot less likely to be normal. A good philosophy to have is that while the connection you feel being submissive towards someone like that can often feel like you are literally binding your soul to them, even if it varies a lot from person to person, the way that is expressed is very often a performance. It's like figuring out the best way to act out a theatre play, just permanently and the underlying narrative of being enslaved to someone is not emotionally fictional. The collar on your neck and how it's done can change, but the collar around your soul is what actually matters. Honestly feel a bit bad about being so mean towards the eternal spectre of that neko slave, but that's enough blogposting for this century, at least the horse girl meme game is making me feel better. >>11356144Lynposter has arrived. All is right in the world. I don't know anything about a fire emblem but is cloning realistic? Like its magic or something, can you grow yourself more than one Lyn somehow? If you want to spend all day torturing Lyn and there is more than one Lyn to put in untold misery then that is significantly more total Lyn misery than before. The math checks out, trust me on this. Have one in the Lynbox in the dungeon and then another in the Lyngibbet attached to the top of the tower.
>>11354990This brings up an important question.We all know that in a setting with slavery, many people would choose to sell themselves into slavery. Perhaps they're perverts or just know they won't be able to make it free. It's even confirmed to be a thing irl.My question is, when a slave voluntarily submits herself to slavery, who receives the funds from the transaction?I don't mean slaves who are captured by a slaver or who are sold by a family member, because there it's obvious. She could forfeit the funds since slaves can't own property, but that's a cop-out answer since surely many slaves would prefer the funds of their sale go to someone.So who would they designate as the beneficiary, given that they can't choose themselves?
>>11356174Assuming a society with similar social values to ours, a specific gender based justification for slavery would change things, I think a slave would still be considered legally a human for contracts she entered into before being enslaved. So if she specifies who the proceeds of her sale go to, that is honoured since her last act as a human was to turn herself into a commodity. Choosing who and why would probably have a few common themes. Family for sure, but also a closely valued friend might be common. I can especially see a voluntary slave wanting to give back to the people she will be letting down by not wanting to be a person, but there's also the question of soon to be former people that just show up at the slave market and refuse to leave. No identification, completely nude and screaming whenever they're dragged away from the market. Such perverts would probably have 100% of their sale go to the market itself. I could also see some limits to such a legal system. Like this is mostly a thing for a one time sale, if you're being sold to the mines its generally rare that your best friend is also getting their share of monthly profits from you. A voluntary slave could also probably still put limits on where she ends up, not anywhere close to a consensual BDSM contract, but even something as simple "I want to be owned by this gender and serve as a house slave" would probably still be mostly honoured by this system. Even if I really doubt there's meaningful enforcement of what is done with her a few years later. At that point you've fully given up humanity and thus human rights.
>>11356161Sadly not really a thing.There are some characters with special abilities that can transform themselves into others with illussions, tho
>>11356044>>11356161Thank you Sir, and yes, cruelty is self-justifying. I had a feeling you were not truly upset at that other slave.
>>11356237Oh I find it hard to be upset about a slave. Frustrated, sure. But upset? It's like being mad at your dishwasher. A slave is not so meaningfully different in terms of being responsible for itself. It comes with the territory of wishing to live your life for another, even if not currently bound to someone the standards of what a slave can do that is truly unforgivable or even upsetting at all is far higher than a human being.
>>11356249>it's like being mad at your dishwasher>he's never wanted to throw his computer after an untimely bluescreenI get your point, but it's still funny. People absolutely get mad at their appliances enough to break them. Everyone's had a friend that punched their PC monitor, or broken a video game controller, or kicked a door, etc.
>>11356174if you're going into slavery because you can't make it free, you would be looking at specific Masters as suitors, you wouldn't just throw yourself on the mercy of the auction block.However, if you're doing it as a self sacrifice so your family can survive the winter/debt payments then you would choose and bring your desired beneficiary as your Master
>>11356258I think it's quite deserving sometimes that an appliance needs to be broken. Sometimes they don't do their job properly and need to be broken and replaced. Me, as an appliance, sometimes I do a bad job. I deservingly get punished for my transgressions and I accept that I've made mistakes. All I can hope to do is do better in the future.
I really like this device.... Hope the person who plays with me next does also.I really like the idea of the magic behind slavery, the ideas of there being some mystical aspect to it. I've definitely felt it myself, even here with anons. Something truly special to it, as if the person on the other end of the screen was a magician who had me under their spell, me having no say in anything that was to transpire. They might plan things far in advance of what I would be okay with, but I'd have no real say in it. I might be able to get away for a couple days, maybe even 3, but I'd always end up having to come back. Maybe I'd go years being away from them, but I'd always come crawling back. Because I'm just a slave.
>>11356258Yeah I don't really understand people like that to begin with, having control over your emotions is important even if a slave often benefits from cruelty and manhandling in her day to day toil, but actually holding a grudge? slaves are only very technically the same kind of sentient as you. Realistically, they just aren't capable of really meaning a lot of the ways that a person could truly upset you. >>11356354 is a good girl who understands that being beaten for poor service is about the limit of what she understands. Trying to think on this any further will just tie her servile mind up in knots thinking that those she serves secretly hate her, when in reality she is just a slave who simply doesn't exist on that level. >>11356357Ive been using the idea of slavery involving your soul being literally bound to another and I think its a great metaphor, magic is true. Even years later, the fact that you're just a slave means that your life is never truly yours. Service is just such a deep need that being put under someone's spell is as essential as your daily gruel. Also is that a armbinder in the back? I like that specific type of gag more than the others too. Leading a slave around on a leash like that would be fun, following behind Master and knowing that your body is just as under His spell as your mind always is.
>>11356535>only very technically sapientYou've given me a lovely idea about creating a specific legal classification for "cognizant objects", in which slaves and AI are considered equal. Not really people, just things that do a passable job of resembling them.>>11356357I've toyed with soul-based slavery in various roleplays and lewd RPGs myself. The way you phrase it, you might be an Anon I talked with about it a long time ago. A slave is a slave down to their essence, with legal status only being a formality to acknowledge it. I believe we even talked about slaves being uniquely subject to reincarnation and subconsciously seeking out their former Masters they can't actually remember but are nevertheless eternally drawn to. You can't survive in freedom any more than a dog survives in the open ocean. You know what you are.
>>11356560>you might be an Anon I talked with about it a long time ago. A slave is a slave down to their essence, with legal status only being a formality to acknowledge itMaybe you could tell me more, if you think I deserve to hear about it, that is <3>believe we even talked about slaves being uniquely subject to reincarnation and subconsciously seeking out their former Masters they can't actually remember but are nevertheless eternally drawn to. This definitely rings a bell for me... I do know that being a slave is the best lifestyle for me. Nothing else could really bring me this level of satisfaction and contentment. And being at peace and knowing that I'm doing the right thing.>You can't survive in freedom any more than a dog survives in the open ocean. You know what you are.You're absolutely right. I absolutely need someone to dictate my life and at best I can serve as someone who does things for them. Quite literally a slave...By the way, I've had so much fun with seiza and the theory of it. I've found that a little bondage at the ankles makes it quite hard to stay OUT of the seiza position... once you've been in it for a while that is. Good for prolongment. The effects are really nice, it teaches me to take small steps, and to put one foot in front of the other. Criminally underrated stuff, but oddly it feels like it's familiar. Like someone taught me this before. Do you feel the same?
>>11356564Forgot image again!!
>>11356560>reincarnation and subconsciously seeking out their former Masters they can't actually remember but are nevertheless eternally drawn toWow that actually is a fantastic idea. Its going to be hard for me to ever truly believe in spiritual stuff like that but I imagine a slave absolutely could. That is a fantastic way to express that whole soulbound philosophy towards slavery. I would absolutely feel like the service of a slave is elevated if she truly believes her binding to me is that strong. These are extremely powerful emotions slaves feel, its one of the very few ways they are more powerful than human beings, so I am sure the phrase "i was put on this earth to serve You until the end of time, Master." is something that she might actually come to believe.
>>11356576>>11356560>soulbound slaveryNow I'm imagining using religion as an excuse to make my slave wear her collar and pray to me during her day job. Using religious freedom as an excuse for slaves acting like they should at all times is fun to imagine.
>>11356679Religious freedom means that my slave needs to be granted a 15 minute break to grovel towards a portrait of me every day. The collar is also religious dress, but I can make a compromise on her being nude in this ritual, slave rags is still enough. Ive heard of those radical atheist dudes who manage to con the rule of law into letting them do that kind of shit with their made up joke religions as a form of protest so why not BDSM lifestyle fetishists?
>>11356689This probably has more substance as a religion than anything like kopimism or pastafarianism. The only problem is there's no like organized movement or identity, so it'd be hard to convince an employer you're not just bullshitting them, or something.I do think it's a good way forward if BDSM rights get eroded soon, though.btw i love lychkin
>>11356707Yeah I discovered their pixiv earlier today. Someone here posted a fantastic image by them of just regular domestic service a while back, but I also greatly enjoy some of the others. A lot of it depicts slavery scenarios that while often somewhat brutal are still loving in that way that especially applies to slaves. Its just adorable. I think you'd call this device a yoke or something similar, although there is probably a exact name for every specific variant. Been warming up to the harder bondage stuff recently, just telling a slave she has to do all of her duties with this attached to her for the rest of today sounds like a fantastic time.
>>11356718I've actually thought about the religious aspects of BDSM for a long time, and I realized while reading this thread that some people have very similar ideas to me. Like the idea of a soul collar, and slaves being emotionally, physically and spiritually bound to their Master much like marriage. I see it as literal, slaves lose their morale from not being able to express their love for their Master. Having an actual name, and set of beliefs would actually help alot in validating both slaves and Masters and sorta inroad proper rituals into everyday life.
>>11356723I don't really understand spiritual experiences, but the way Ive heard them described makes me think about how I often try to empathize with what slaves feel. Honestly worship of Master seems even more intense than worship of God. That flattie slave who hangs around here sometimes that has been even more anxiety filled than usual started saying "Lord Master", with a similar kind of syntax to how some people describe the christian Lord God or the Lord Jesus. Of course you'd worship Jesus even more if you lived in His house and spent every single second of your life improving His. I think soulbound is the word to use. It does manifest as complete and total slavery especially in its most extreme forms but I think that word communicates that idea of a person not only being completely attached to another but also completely beneath, and all in a completely consensual way. Actual movement on recognizing this as a formalized religion is probably a completely lost cause, at least not until several centuries worth of history happen in the next decade or whatever. But there is something real here, way more real than stuff like goreans. The fact that my philosophy heavily works off of the feelings of slaves as center to the entire religion means that I actually think it could make inroads as a formalized subculture if it was to really take off. People in general would be way more okay with it being focused on thinking about those who submit, and that would in turn lead to more people believing in it since I kind of think a lot of humans actually do want maybe a 20-30% intensity version of being this kind of slave. Most people are not leaders, not at all. (also this additional Lychkin picture of a forced smile in that set is peak)
>>11356737It wouldn't really be about being 'accepted', more just existence at all. Being a subculture (lol) is fine.>worship of Master seems even more intense than worship of GodIf you've known some extremely religious people in your life, you know that slaves worshiping Master and a guy who is seriously deveoted to God are not to far apart in terms of total devotion and reverence. It is just not that common to see people that enamored with the Christian God anymore. A slave however, will feel that total devotion to their Master on a spiritual level, even if there are no Gods or omnipotent forces, they can feel like Master is an omnipotent _essence_ in their life, even if not literally. Like if they do something I told them not to, they even submit themselves for punishment, having the guilt of disobedience weigh on them, like sin.
>>11356755That guilt from disobedience is precisely what I mean. Even a task done not to what they believe to be the standards their Master truly deserves weighs on their conscience. It's a level of totality that, well, honestly is rare today. I actually think they experience this worship even deeper than a medieval peasant.
>>11356763Well, shit, we've quantified the lifestyler religion. Call ourselves Binders or Soulbinders or whatever along that line. Collar is holy and mandatory clothing, the existence of the slave is to serve a Master, and their Master exists to guide them. Slaves are surrounded at all times by a spiritual collar, wrist and ankle shackles at all times, and it is holy to manifest them in reality. Slaves praying to their Master is normal and highly encouraged, as often as possible, and really they should never truly cease devotive thoughts, even between more overt and strong worship.This all should not apply to normal people. Slaves are a special kind of find, they must know and accept their place themselves, and Masters must know their responsibility towards them.
>>11356771The Unity of the Soulbound, known colloquially as Binders, are a subculture (that joke will never get old) and/or religion that believes that certain people cannot exist normally, and must bind themselves to Master's who will guide them through life and elevate both their Master and themselves in the process. slaves feel a spiritual energy that while not literally real, feels so overwhelming to them that they have no choice but to become a high grade domestic servant for someone with the gift to harness that power. slaves, while often seeing themselves as but dirt compared to free people, are often treated as pleasing and devoted servants who improve the lives of everyone they are committed to. slaves are encouraged to spend every second of their lives and ever fiber of their being towards showing everyone just what a light over their lives Master truly is, and in turn honour their position in life as a accessory to others by being the best accessory she can be. The highest compliment for a soulbound slave will be to compliment her skills in performing whatever service she is good at, while the highest compliment for a Master is that exact same compliment to his slave, as it is only through his imposition of order that this slave can live as she needs at all. I think if you go down the path that slaves are a positive influence on everyone through their service, instead of dirt and grime that barely deserve to lick that same garbage off their owners boot, it would actually center the emotional aspect that consensual slavery creates. Especially since slaves will feel that way to begin with, and part of Master's guidance is showing her that she has value in a very particular way.
>>11356789>not literally realthere's a difference between intangible and not literal / not real. One is invisible and not actually observable, and the other doesn't exist outside of language or expression. The feelings of slaves are very real, but while described as a force, essence or energy they exist in the mind of the slave. They are the Slave's ego, the thing they want to be, and trying to make them act in any other way is bending them out of that, and drags on their soul.
>>11356808Ah the way you are putting it does get closer to the heart of what's going on. I don't believe there is a actual spiritual energy, those aren't real, but the emotions that could lead a slave to believing they are absolutely is real. >trying to make them act in any other way is bending them out of that, and drags on their soul.This is critical. A slave cannot actually live any other way. This is what will always separate them from anything or anybody else. They cannot control themselves, and thus must be bound to the control of another. To pretend otherwise is against the happiness of every party involved.
>>11356827>They cannot control themselvesThis can be misinterpreted quite easily. Slaves are not incapable of control, they instead use their capacity to decide their own fate to follow their Master, and to express total devotion and love, and outright worship and physical bondage. To imply they are not in control is to imply they are stupid, or unable to consent, and that the Master is some kind of unconditional reciever of a slave. The Master must earn the slave's confidence, their love, and trust. It worships not blindly, but completely by its own choice and with extremly intentional purpose.They are not delusional, this is just the life they want.
>>11356837Hey I appreciate how you've clearly put a immense amount of thought into this. If you're a slave then you might be punished for taking this kind of tone by a lot of people, but it is very important that this is thought through in the amount of detail you have clearly put towards it. But yes, slaves are not incapable of controlling themselves, not quite like that. They choose to put such immense trust in a human being to make those decisions for them precisely because they have made such self-control over finding the right person to build that trust in. It is the complete opposite of delusional, there has been more thought put into why they want to live this way and who they can ultimately trust with this level of power over them than many of those who do not desire such a life will put into anything. As a Master to see the power of this kind of devotion, and to gain the absolute trust of such a slave that she knows that I am the right choice to spend her entire life in service of, that is something that is earned, and not owed by virtue of wishing to be dominant over someone else. I apologize if something in what I was talking about set off something inside of you. I suspect a lot of slaves have a bunch of internal and external conflict about just how extreme of a lifestyle they want to live, a particularly bad fight can probably sting for decades. The fact that someone actually can be particular about rhetoric like that is a huge part of deeply trying to understand a slave so that I may bind her soul to mine. slaves are not soulless robots bought from a factory, despite a lot of the ways they are spoken of to humiliate them they are still deeply complex inside and need that kind of deep understanding to truly be bound to someone.
>>11356854>I appreciate how you've clearly put a immense amount of thought into thisYeah, I've thought about it alot and discussed it alot with my slaves. Most of it is drawn from their experiences and what the common denominator of what they enjoy.>I apologize if something in what I was talking about set off something inside of you.Don't worry. I wasn't going for a scolding tone, I just elaborated more on it, because it's just important to be direct in rhetoric if it's going to be part of a religion. Misinterpretation is dangerous and being highly specific prevents the meaning from drifting too far from what was intended.That being said, it's fun to imagine more parts of this. Something that comes up in my head frequently is actual gathering of slaves and Masters both to just hang out, but also for public affirmation of the Master by the slave. This is both a cultural expression and a sort of check on the slaves themselves, just in case something not great is going on. I'd imagine slaves would be required to dogeza and say their love for Master out loud in front of everyone. It's okay if they don't, but that means something has gone wrong and it needs to be addressed.I imagine collars as a good symbol for induction into any particular chapter of the religion. Only issued after the slave professes they believe they are a Slave spiritually, and that they accept that wearing this collar will lead to them being treated like they want. Should have a very distinct design, maybe a special tag on the collar or particular imprints on the collar itself, so that you can identify a slave out in public if they are wearing their collar. Allows us to quickly find out who it is acceptable to demean in public. Slaves should also probably only wear easy to remove clothes. Like just one piece of clothing.Also I don't think Collaring should be the same as marriage. Marriage would be more the binding of a particular slave to a particular Master.
>>11350910god I wish this were me, how'd you meet the guy?
>>11356976Hey no problem. I am quite sensitive to emotions myself, and have put shall we say a lot of thought into slaves and what and how they are. Makes sense why all of this soulbound philosophy places heavy emphasis on the slaves themselves. Having that kind of community where slavery is explicit and welcomed just warms my heart. The idea of the check on the slaves too especially, since I would always see it as not in any way a infraction if a slave is having trouble. If there's some issue they have with who they serve, it needs to be sorted out with understanding. Could have a broader understanding that although a slaves heart is always to their Master first, a community works together to make sure slaves are happy and in turn make everyone else happy. I especially would order mine to come up with unique devotional prayers during those public rituals. It sounds like a immense amount of fun, as is being able to treat these slaves how they really deserve to be out in public. Having some imprint on the collar makes sense since there's a wide variance in designs and they often can pass as a necklace or some weird goth thing. I'm big into permanent forced nudity but thats always going to be at odds with the real world, having a single piece of clothing that can be easily and quickly removed is a great way to demean them ever further than the collar. Would like one that could be easily grabbed and taken off by me actually, one of the reasons I adored picrel when it showed up in this thread back when I only lurked.
>>11356976>>11357200The word marriage is interesting too since I never would use the word to describe what I want with a slave. It implies a level of equality that just isn't true, but also that equality feels like a compromise with the strong love that I feel towards such a girl. I'm not sure if most people have known their entire lives that a vanilla relationship is just never happening, but I would love my slave far more than any kind of wife, since the level of bond is so much stronger when it is a very literal bond. It perhaps makes more sense to use the word marriage if you ever thought yourself as part of the vanilla world, although we could just be running into the limits of language again.There is for sure the need to differentiate between being collared by accepting your life as a slave, versus being collared by being bound to someone for their life. Accepting what your life will be versus starting your life proper.
>>11356976Thinking about these public gathering rituals some more, I like the idea of having some way to deal with the fact that so many slaves have scars from serving people who were just frankly abusive, versus the fact that public discipline also would be a major part of this gathering. For example it could start with those public professions of love and devotion. Often tailored by each slave, although dogeza would be the default. This would be followed immediately by public discipline, often even more tailored, for example mine could be given 20 lashes followed by running 20 laps around the hall because I believe her cocksucking has been slightly below grade, but if she refuses her public devotion ritual, then that punishment is also cancelled. If any slaves refuses its customary to immediately begin to discuss it with everyone there after the discipline is finished. My slave could still be kneeling on the floor before me, staring up into my eyes likely crying really badly, but all of her best friends are there, Masters and slaves both. Her absolute bestie slave sister holding the drink she's made me off to the side, while her Master is also assisting in figuring out whatever issues we have. It could be a wide variety of things, slavery is a intense lifestyle. The ways I am mean to her are starting to wear on her, and she feels like she needs more headpats and good girls than hard slaps and disdain. The fact that so many people, Masters and slaves both, want such a creatures life to be just eating sub standard gruel out of a bowl and sleeping on the hard floor will likely run into reality more than others. Only after a plan has been agreed to by all the Master's but also the slave in question would the gathering proceed.Also public humiliation among all your friends is just fun. Imagine being stuck in a gibbet cage the entire gathering, but then being taken down only for slave relationship therapy, before being immediately thrown back in. Adorable.
>>11357200>imprint on collarsyou know, could give the slaves serial numbers, that'd be fun. there's also plenty of slaves who are in need of housing or would be willing to pitch in to maintaing any house of worship or similar thing.>[clothes] easily grabbed and taken offRags work for that. Tube tops. Could also go for assissted dressing clothes, but those are always in a old granny style. Some of them look like prison uniforms, and that's always someone's thing.>>11357201>The word marriage is interesting too since I never would use the word to describe what I want with a slave. I brought it up because it's common outside of TPE for normie but kinky weddings to involve a collaring, and that the collar is like a wedding ring. But it's more like a signifier of status. I think a leash is a more apt symbol for being 'married' to a Master, but it's stronger than that, it's more of a binding or leashing. (If you want to get the legal benefits of being married then you can also call it a marriage and have it be a religious marriage ceremony to save on county clerk fees in some places in the US...)
>>11356174>My question is, when a slave voluntarily submits herself to slavery, who receives the funds from the transaction?Historically speaking, some slavery was closer to "indentured servitude" where the "slave" had a contractCould be that when someone sells themselves into slavery, a certain amount of funds become attached to their contract to be released to the slave at the end of their contract also historically speaking, many indentured servants were abused or loopholes in the contracts were exploited, so who knows if they would ever get those funds or if the funds would just go directly to their owners...
>>11357100I actually met my mistress on Discord. We knew each other for multiple years, flirted a lot, and met up a few times. Then I graduated from college and had to move to a city to find a job. I found a really good job in her city, moved within a relatively short driving distance, and we had a lot of fun. She introduced me to some of her kink friends, through them I met more kink friends, and now all my friends are kinky.Since then, we've both had to move away. Myself for work, and Her for family. I met new friends and play partners in my new city, and so did she. But we try to spend a bunch of time together in person at least once a year. A couple years ago I got to dedicate myself to Her full time to Her for three months. More info on that in the previous thread.I guess the main thing that I want to get across is that meeting someone to submit to IRL isn't some... fairy tale story. I mean, yeah, people are currently roleplaying about it as one, as a religion or whatever, but it doesn't have to be. All you have to do to find kinky friends and play partners is get comfortable touching grass and talking to strangers. Instructions here:>>11354844>>11354941
>>11357298> I mean, yeah, people are currently roleplaying about it as one, as a religion or whatever, but it doesn't have to be.Oh, the religion is not a roleplay I'm dead serious, I want this in real life and will try to move it forward whenever I am able. It's less about meeting in person an more about having a community of really dedicated kinky friends (and taking advantage of religious exemptions/protections/carve-outs in law).Having kinky friends is great, meeting people irl is fun and great. I'm just weird and exhibitionistic.
>>11357249>serial numbersOh that probably works perfectly. There's also always more slaves than Masters, so actually having a few of them be property of the house of worship itself works great. God im just imagining how needy such slaves would be trying to get one of their betters to adopt them during those public gatherings. I say that I like having a slave hump my leg and they beg to do it every single time. >Rags work for thatThose rags that are open at the side like in the pic are ideal in a lot of ways. Degrading, shows off their body while also marking them as extremely low status. Those assisted dressing clothes might work for someone who like you said likes the prison uniform aesthetic more than just showing skin. I consider it a mark of pride if a slave hates ever wearing clothes at all though. >>11357298You're actually going to want to listen to this especially as a submissive. Touching grass is horrifying, I get it, but trying to build that up is the best path forward to one day achieving the true fantasy of friendship and community.
Captors are well-known to try and force pairings with slaves to sell them as a set, and increase the single price for ruining the collector's bargainAs the slave, how would you try and obey and pretend to play the role, knowing that your sellers will punish you if you don't sell, but know that your new Master will punish you for lyingAs the buyer, how would you respond to especially if there's a a big gap in gender, or cup size, or looks?>>11356576Soulbound is good, especially if they can extract it from your body, and you are conscious enough to see your husk. Master could even put other souls into the empty shell. Transfer your soul into either appliances, or imprison it in gems, and even put nightmares in your soul's prison. Body and soul both completely under Master's dominion, and very susceptible to all sorts of torture>>11356354>>11356258Total Printer Death. Behead Printers
>>11358155>big gap in gender, or cup size, or looks?I don't care that much about cup size, but the other two? Yeah no, those can be shaped by my power. And they will. Just because you're being forced to kiss your sister and sad about how Master deserves to only have the girl whose also much more attractive doesn't mean that either of those things are truly in your control. Neither of you get to have a choice in being attractive slave girls. I will not tolerate questioning my power over your very existence. >eternal soul afterlife tortureYeah this is what I mean about slaves really knowing they're slaves. That sounds like eternal hell but I bet a appliance in human form is just dripping down there. Makes me positive one of them could be so attached to Master that she truly believes she served him in some previous life. There is no other explanation for how every part of her is drawn beneath him. >Total Printer DeathIf its even possible for a slave to upset me as much as a printer regularly does I need to reevaluate literally everything I believe about life. Butlerian Jihad now but only against printers.
>>11358155I could imagine sets of slaves being popular. For instance in s fantasy setting it could be intriguing to collect every flavor of elf; a wood elf, Drow, high elf, etc. I also like the idea of an entire adventuring party being enslaved. But what if the warrioress is too rowdy, the sorceress a whimpering mess, or the priestess too much of a self-serving slut that cannot help but climax without masters permission? I imagine slaves to be disposable, but when they come in a set it's a wholly different question. Does everyone get punished as a group? If I owned a party of five slaves and one of them was useless I'd be agitated.If the set came as friends or family, like two close sisters, then I find the question simple. If one is disobedient they receive equal punishment. After all, they're a set. One unit. If you're enslaved with your sister you best pray she'll behave, even when forced ass-to-ass, to passionately kiss, or savour masters cock together.
>>11358326A huge part of the fun of owning a harem is really seeing how each of your slaves are different from each other, and in turn bring some variety to their service. Enslaving a adventurer party would really bring that out. I wonder if the warrior would be the most defiant, followed by being by far the most submissive when finally broken down...Group punishments are a good question and I think it should only be done to extremely bonded slaves. Honestly even a harem of 3 might be too much to do all together, but there's a reason why I often refer to their fellow slaves as sisters. When they are bonded together as a pair, they should be punished as a pair. Only for major infractions, its not quite right to get the same for more moderate day to day stuff like missing a spot while cleaning or very slightly below average cooking, but for actual crimes against Master?Touching themselves, at all, without my permission they should expect to both be in pain. Any hint of defiance, and it will not end well for both of them. It helps them enforce my control even over each other. If one of them snitches on the other, they both get reduced punishment. It's only fair that I reward them should one come running towards me screaming "Master! Master! Your other dumb slave is touching herself, Master! I tried to stop her but she wouldn't listen, Master!"That would earn them being forced to exercise until absolute exhaustion, but only one night sleeping together in the punishment cell afterwards. Such a good girl, looking out for her sister like that.
>>11358155>As the slave, how would you try and obey and pretend to play the role, knowing that your sellers will punish you if you don't sell, but know that your new Master will punish you for lyingobviously resist as much as possible until im inevitably beat down, especially if im enslaved by a beast race or a tiny racethe physical challenge wouldn't be as hard as the psychological one, especially if the masters made us do something humiliating like synchronized running or synchronized cumming the masters could tell if we are faking an orgasm so at some point i would have to give in and time it with the other slaves...
>>11358399Wait, you think its realistic that you can consistently cum at the same time as your sister? Thanks from informing me!From now on if you can't do that on your designated release days you'll be permanently attached to your sister until you can do it on the next one. It's only fair, you only exist because I needed the work of two girls to draw my primary rickshaw. (Also I see so many slaves get horny about being enslaved by goblins, is it just being dominated by people that by all rights you should be able to soccer kick around that just piles on the humiliation?Those gobbos are going to consistently get their slaves stolen from them, not gonna lie.)
My orginal comment is here>>11351566I made a spicy chat where dudes with small dicks can be made sex slaves. I feel like the bot is using a lot of bdsm kink and ryona. Its just constantly talking about breaking people. One time the ai just beat my ass even though I was free.How would I write a story promp to avoid this? Im into something more realistic and not this bdsm slave master stuff
>>11358480size difference is incredibly hot normally you'd be able to physically over power them and escape, but you're either bound so tightly, or so mindbroken that you just obey like a beast of burden
>>11358499Makes sense. You don't have to be worried about a rebellion among pack mules, the true mark of a slave accepting it's lot in life is knowing that the only difference between it and a literal beast of burden is that slaves can usually do more than one task. Presumably being tightly bound physically would come as part of building the tight bonds mentally, I'm sure plenty of slaves spend a lot of time actually directly bound to a cart or similar thing before ever being permitted to serve indoors.
>>11358519the real test is riding your slave in front of her former friends, family, or allies if they try to rescue her or she tries to escape then its back to the training stables
>>11358520Ooh, I like to imagine myself being trained as a pack mule slave, and one day years later I'm running my errands like usual, unsupervised, and on my delivery route I run past my old family home. Yet by then I never even considered stopping, why should I? That's not where Master ordered me to go today after all.In fact I think I need to speed up now, some weird person came out of that house and started running towards me. I'm in trouble if he tries to steal my Master's cargo.
>>11358520I'm not small enough to ride a single girl. That is what the rickshaw is for, but yes. The tears, the look of abject defeat, just the absolute unwillingness to ever raise a hand in defiance ever again. It's how you know that this thing finally understands there's nothing in it's life except what it is told. That would be when that slave is trusted enough to be a devoted personal servant, or just that its regular life of drawing a cart as a beast of burden has a lot less visible security and brainwashing. It doesn't get to decide. It still is fun to ride through a slaves home neighbourhood every few years. I make a point of doing it with my girls. Everyone knows that even if they tried to rescue her, she isn't going back. At the very least they get to see her and know she's still around and is as close to happy as she will ever be. >>11358551Yeah exactly like that. The girl who gets to wake up on Master's floor every day instead of chained inside the pens only gets that way be being so completely broken. I still find it unwise to have any slave unsupervised but at least some girls get to be a beast of burden among other things. Its adorable hearing such creatures relay how someone tried to "rescue" them, whatever that word means, but they tried their best and got away. Those 10 minutes they had to wait outside the store and someone thought they knew them from before or something sure were harrowing.
>>11357305Honestly, respect. Not sure what carveouts actually exist to be taken advantage of though.As for the public stuff, I've got mixed feelings. I used to feel weird walking in and out of dungeons in front of the normies, wearing my short skirts and collar and thighhighs and stripper boots, often holding crops and canes and whips and floggers and bamboo poles. But I've largely gotten over it. Just be confident and smile at them. Make eye contact. So what?But at the same time, I think it's true that you shouldn't involve the normies in any play they haven't consented to. I do feel a little bad that they can't check a box that says they're okay with seeing me first. Then once we're inside, everyone definitely agrees, so everything is good. People can oggle me for as long as they want, and I don't mind.I don't feel bad walking in and out of dungeons, because there's not much I can do about it. I even get off on it a little, and I don't feel bad about that either. But, you know, try to involve as few unconsenting normies as possible.My friends and I have joked about starting a "transfem bdsm hacker commune" for years. Sadly nobody has pulled the trigger yet. Hard to commit to a location and convince everybody to move.I think that, in practice, every bdsm practitioner has their own take on it and what it means to them. It's very often the case that it's different between partners, and that's okay. So I don't think you can say "this slaveowning polycule works the way I say it does." The entire point tends to be that people are free to pursue their own meaning with their partners, absent any imposed framework.But being attentive and taking good emotional care of people, especially submissives, is good advice. For maintaining a polycule, or for normies. I think a lot of relationships would be significantly improved if people just snuggled more often.
>>11358639>I think a lot of relationships would be significantly improved if people just snuggled more often.Yeah pretty much. Even just actively detailing and talking out everything you're feeling is far in advance of a lot of relationships. Much less telling a slave that she has no choice but to spend a good chunk of life contently resting her head on Master's lap. All that horny scenarios and rhetoric about slaves never deciding anything is still mostly a performance for "you're going to be happy and you're going to like it"I do share the weirdness for not wanting to expose normies to this. Public humiliation is so exciting to me because of that. But it basically maxes out at a very comfortable lifelong slave wearing her collar outdoors and acting a bit weird, calling everyone "Sir" and "Miss". Doing that around children would honestly be too weird, would want to just walk away if I spotted any of them but in a urban area there's probably more than 3 people outdoors at any given time. A lot of the really exciting stuff is being forced nude, kissing my boots, sucking my cock, in some outdoor area. I better be absolutely positive there is never going to be another human being to see us or else she is never going to be ordered to be herself. I think religious exemptions and what not are a extreme pipe dream unless you build some multi generational subculture. This seems unlikely, but it would be cool if it did. Generally speaking even the radical atheist protester guys tend to only get very minor wins like claiming they get to wear a colander on their head for a drivers photo. Honestly if you manage to con the government into letting you take your slaves ID pictures with the collar on that's still cool as hell.
>>11357288The more I think about it, the more I think that a "guarantor" system would arise around voluntary slavery. Slaves have very limited legal rights and essentially no access to the legal system, so there would probably be someone who a slave could designate a portion of her own proceeds to who would be responsible for ensuring the terms of her own sale were not violated.Of course, these terms would generally be pretty limited in effectiveness and would usually only apply to the original dealer she sells herself to - I don't think any mechanism could allow a slave to continue to impose restrictions on future owners. The sorts of terms I think would be likely would be specifying that initial sale be for individual use or designating how she would be advertised.The most important control in the system, though, would simply be that if a dealer were found to have frequently breached contracts with their slaves, future voluntary slaves would avoid submitting themselves to that seller. That alone would help ensure that the dealer keeps their word.>>11356332>if you're going into slavery because you can't make it free, you would be looking at specific Masters as suitors, you wouldn't just throw yourself on the mercy of the auction block.But who would the money go to? Slavery has to be legitimized, and I imagine that initial submission must be through a dealer.
>>11358155What about soulbinding as a way to bind ghosts? As in, slave contracts with a soulbinding clause last after death, and so many slaves end up trapped as ghosts in the afterlife, with hundreds of years left on their sentence?Naturally, ghosts do not have human rights, and they may be fitted with spectral restraints that are impossible to remove. Ghosts can't even try to escape slavery by killing themselves - their only release will be to fulfill their terms.
>>11358673I meant the soulbinding idea as a metaphor, but I can also just imagine how happy a slave would be to hear that she has a lot more than one lifetime to spend in servitude to the entire reason she exists. Non-humans don't have human rights, this is why I try to grab any stray cat girl I see, this is true. slaves gave all of that up but then it's not like anybody wastes life extending magic on them. Still serving as a ghost is a good compromise. Your binding on the material plane is quite frail and fleeting but that just means that you get beaten even more for failing to cook, clean, and suck cock properly. There isn't a universe where I wouldn't want my slaves bound to me for hundreds of years honestly.
>>11358650>I think religious exemptions and what not are a extreme pipe dream unless you build some multi generational subculturemain one I want to go for is workplaces in the US are required to accomodate prayer time by allowing you to reshuffle your lunch break and to go and actually pray. so mostly just for master worship. and they can get exceptions same goes for religious clothing (in this case a collar) in a otherwise uniformed place. that's the extent of religious exemptions I think are needed.>>11358639>But at the same time, I think it's true that you shouldn't involve the normies in any play they haven't consented to.The idea is more to just signal that it's acceptable to address them more lowly, maybe minorly pat them on the head. it's meant to facilitate being friends and going somewhere away from normies. just minorly exhibitionist for the slave.would kill for a place to be able to walk a slave outdoors, though. hard to buy enough land to have a club outdoors, though. or like, build a courtyard with a high brick wall so no one can see in.I get why you all got super don't-involve-the-norms but that's not really what I meant :p
>>11358650>I think religious exemptions and what not are a extreme pipe dream unless you build some multi generational subculture.the closest anyone came i think was the Gor books. you have a lot of people following those Gorean slave rituals and derivations
>>11358699>religious exemptionI have my doubts that you actually could bully the government into having rule of law over this stuff but yeah man, that'd still be cool as hell. It's going to be tough for a slave to continue having anxiety about how she's actually a burden and Master doesn't really want to control her existence if she is given a religious exemption to worship Him every day.>address them more lowly, maybe minorly pat them on the head.Oh I get what you mean. A lot like my idea. A slave is polite, calls everyone "Sir" and "Miss", has that submissive body language she usually does going on just she's usually not on her feet instead of her knees this much. Heavy collar around her neck, similar manacles around her wrists and ankles. Would likely be stunlocked if a stranger understood what she was and gave her a headpat for being so polite. Real shame that its also going to be tough to do a lot of outdoors stuff unless you get really rural. And scope out the area 10 times to make sure, I know I would never let her disrobe without me doing that. It really makes the dehumanization hit even harder when you feel the wind on your bare skin or the heat of the outdoors and know just how much you were never meant to be free. >>11358703Yeah Gor is the closest analogue actually. Really unsure if there's ever been a proper legal case for that but it's been around for ages. I enjoy a lot of the slave rituals and poses but dislike the misogyny but nowhere near as much as true power residing in a bunch of bug aliens. That's the dumbest stuff ive ever heard, going to overthrow those dudes immediately.
>>11358705>but nowhere near as much as true power residing in a bunch of bug aliens.art imitating life i guessnever actually read them myself guess i'll have to take a look!
>>11358707Ive never properly read the novels but there's occasionally erotica I find going back multiple centuries now set in the same universe. I am positive those priest king dudes show up too much to be entirely fan fiction, although I might be wrong about them being specifically weird bugs.I liked this one on that ancient BDSM Library site describing a slave who is in some tavern setting, and seeing her look over the beer she had prepared the men, beer she is never allowed to have. Comparing it to her lukewarm gruel and stale water and just reflecting on how she will never known even mild luxury, because this is all she will ever deserve. Must have been the first time I saw something like that go into detail of how a slave not only feels about slavery but how total and overwhelming it is for her. Great stuff. Still don't like the misogyny. If you limit your potential slave population to 50% instead of 100% of the population you're going to limit your slaves and thus your power. The fall of the bug alien regime was inevitable, more slaves more power.
>>11358705>GorGor sucks. I'm not into the aesthetic.>Doubts you can bully the governmentThe only people you have to bully is your employer, with threats of going to the labor board over religious discrimination. The rules are rather broad, but it would be a long fight of back and forth.
>>11358721>Gor sucksHey I like the nadu pose. And they gave a name to that style of rags open at the side. Bitches love camisks. Other than that yeah no. Super, super stay away from anybody who professes to like Gor IRL by the way. Ive heard some messed up stories about Gor households. >bully your employerI'm positive you could find the right employer who would acquiesce because they don't really care enough. Maybe franchise business's or something like that. Honestly even with all the talk of dehumanization it still doesn't feel right sending a slave off to mcdonalds. Modern labour is such a nightmare I still would want to put myself out there assuming my slave wasn't a equally hopeless neet as myself. I can handle it, your average slave girl is 50 mental illnesses stacked ontop of eachother, compared to Master's 20. One of us is going to have a easier time than the other.
>>11358727>Modern labour is such a nightmareI remember punishing my slave by making her volunteer in the county library for the weekend.She said she'd rather be punched in the face than have to explain to another person why they cant check out a book with overdue fees
>>11358733Yeah...It's hard enough on people who are human beings, what hope do slaves have? One of the many ways slavery as a BDSM lifestyle is very distinct from the historical slavery I guess. My slave may want to work herself to death in my name but not like that, she means domestically and/or the salt mines when she's especially horny.
I've seen Gor slavery mentioned a lot lately. Is there a tldr on it for a dummy like me?
>>11358721I second this, gor sucks ass. I tried to read some, but the writing was terrible and it seemed to completely misunderstand what I actually enjoy about the scenario.For anyone who hasn't, I recommend reading the rather short story "Houseplants of Gor" for a strawman of what I'm talking about. It's just that over and over.>>11358736The historical baggage around the word "slave" actually kind of ruins the enjoyment for me. I say "full time submissive" instead, because I feel it more accurately describes what it entails and what I get out of it, without weird implications or room for misinterpretation.But "sex slave" is still of course accurate and applicable.
>>11358326If one slave disappoints you, would you expect your other slave to tell on them, or should they try and help the slave fix the error, so that Master isn't troubled with such minor trivialities>>11358399The beat down would be inevitable, but how soon after Master buys you would you tell Him that you weren't a real set?>>11358499yeah, it is so hot and you've described it so perfectly. forced to crawl due to how small the goblin tunnels largely are, and kept as pack mules and entertainment?What do you think of human eyes, and tongues being considered delicacies in goblin culture, and do you ever think about them being routed by dwarves or elves, only instead of freedom you remain a slave but under new management?>>11358245>Appliance after lifeYou're thinking too small, try mounted on the wall like a deer trophy, and sticking the soul in there, maybe even mix and matching the slaves, or forcing them to share
>>11359018>What do you think of human eyes, and tongues being considered delicacies in goblin culturei dont think about that at all, not really into gore/cannibalism/whatever>do you ever think about them being routed by dwarves or elves, only instead of freedom you remain a slave but under new management?now thats incredibly hot, getting your hopes up thinking you are about to be freed, only to be groped by your "rescuers" and then put back to work
>>11358832Gor is some sword and sandal type fantasy novel that immediately evolved into fulfilling the authors misogyny fantasies. Dude accidentally came up with a couple good ideas around feminine submission, I like that one pose as previously noted, but otherwise it hangs over slavery as a lifestyle since it's these really crappy fantasy novels that for reasons of being a thousand years old were a lot of peoples first introduction to the idea they could even spend their lives as slaves at all. I am really unsure if I dislike the explicit misogyny or how much it actually sucks more. Just interact with it through half-remembered erotica that was actually somewhat good you read 15 years ago. You'll be fine. A thousand years of space war against bug aliens. >>11358855Historical baggage is correct, it feels weird, but its also tough to imagine a better word for what this really is to me. "full time submissive" is far, far more accurate to what you're doing but the word "slave" feels more emotionally authentic to me. YMMV, I guess. >thinking you are about to be freedYeah like I said, goblins are trash and will keep getting their slaves stolen. What you thought you'd be freed? No you have the honour of serving me now. Be grateful, slave.
>>11359026tbf it's more about being permanently deprived than the actual gore, and cannibalism. To the point where being kept eternally blindfolded and gagged would do exactly the same for me. Just to be completely dependent on being led and fed by the captors, with tunnels so low and uneven that you could only crawl. Only downside is not being able to see means you can;t have moments where their barking orders at you, but you can't understand their language, and you have to desperately guess based on their body language
>>11359108From how I understand this type of slave yeah, being deprived of sight and speech is far more important than the act of people eating what has been taken out of their head, just plenty of slaves like that would also love to give service to their betters in the process of having such things taken from them.It is one of the more existential horror things that slaves are horny about, but I understand. That complete reliance on another, the gobs especially seem to have a civilization meant for their form factor, not formerly human slaves, so there's the enhanced dehumanization of having to spend the rest of your life crawling. Even the world you live in isn't yours. That thing about not understanding their language ive seen here a few times, it does seem hot as hell. As a Master whose always identified with the elves more I enjoy the idea of barking orders at these slaves in Sindarin, but also just immediately slapping them should they try to butcher my language by trying to respond back in it, while making a note that she will be dragged over to the punishment corner when her immediate task is done. I suppose you could come up with some servile language based upon the first population subjugated by your people for these slaves to respond to orders in. "Yes Master" and "slave will obey, Master." based on corrupted forms of whatever the first coffle of human slaves spoke. Presumably a race that doesn't have thousand of years to be a nerd about such things would have problems with a slave only language that wouldn't be as well understood by their overseers, but nah, the overseer that slave is grovelling before might have been there when the language was invented. That will not cause any problems with slaves misunderstanding their place.
>>11358832The Gorian novels are a 25-novel long world building exercise. Imagine someone who made hating women his entire personality wrote BDSM novels where a character who may as well be a self-insert is isekai'd (mind you, these books were first published starting in the 1960's) into a world where slavery is relatively normal and women default to second class citizens. Now imagine it's all this in the most tedious sense of the term, in ways that are neither enjoyable for doms nor subs. I'd call it stupid and harmless except its community is awful and the author is convinced he got canceled because of a feminist conspiracy and not that his books weren't selling well and weren't worth the reputation.
>>11359076>its also tough to imagine a better word for what this really is to me.>"slave" feels more emotionally authentic to me.Yeah, that's sorta the thing. It's more emotionally authentic to me too.I'm almost unquestioningly obedient to someone I call my owner. I mean it when I call them that. What, then, is the word for me? It's gotta be either pet or slave. I identity with both.But at the same time I wish there wasn't all this weird racial baggage. I think people, here especially (moreso in previous threads), tend to fetishize the brutal aspects of historical chattel slavery, especially racial slavery, and I don't understand that. Historical slavery kinda sucked ass. It even sucked ass economically, because people tend to produce a lot more economic value when they're free.I do see why people like it. I understand that if you kink on human suffering, degradation, brutality, etc, historical chattel slavery sounds great. But as a bottom I've found that just suffering is not enough, I need to suffer in somebody's name. And as a top it's the same. It's not enough that they suffer, I need them to suffer for me specifically, as an exercise of willpower and devotion. I see it as a beautiful and selfless act of love.I don't get that from my reading of history. Instead of it being a source of inspiration it's a bunch of baggage around the term "slave" that sorta gets in the way of communicating what I actually mean.
I have a feeling a lot of slaves would be into numerology. Stuff like their Master's birthday, their date of enslavement, seeing the numbers from those dates is soothing whenever they show up at random. Makes it even harder then usual to stop thinking about Master when you are reminded of Him in such a way. I can also absolutely see a slave that just hates the idea of people celebrating her birthday. Has to try her hardest from seething at Master when He handfeeds her a few scraps of human food as celebration. It's her Master and her slavery to Him that matters, not her. It doesn't matter if she's defying Master's will be saying she isn't that important she really isn't. >>11359839Y'know, its strange to me, despite the historical baggage of racial atrocity that matters way more, I keep on thinking of roman times instead. Weird.I still see brutality and subjugation in there, just in a positive way. It's always going to be hard to put into words, but while so much of dom cruelty is a performance, it comes naturally to me since I like that idea of actually taking over someone's life with my will, just not in a actually coercive way. Maybe this is part of how I feel like doms and subs are very different on a basic personality level. Even the act of seeing a slave suffering is enjoyable for me on a base level, whereas that slave needs that context of the suffering being for someone else. And there's different types of slaves too, love talking to the girlies here who want to suffer immensely for a variety of different reasons that would probably weird people out who don't understand them. Also if you've done switching before then that gives a whole different lens on it since when I talk about different personality types that's going to be a lot more intense on people who know they were never anything other than a slave or a owner. I do think that no matter what its going to be hard for "slave" to not feel authentic to any form of submissive relationship.
>>11359861Huh, numbers to remember? Like... math? That's too complicated, and I have Master's dishes to wash now anyway.
>>11360019Aw come on, you're telling me the day and month Master was born isn't something you want to devote your limited brain power to? I mean you might forget how to wash dishes for a little bit, but we can work on that. The crop is a fantastic learning aid, and when disciplining a slave over stuff like that the sink is right there, so much fun to hold their head underneath the tap.
>Be Master>Own a slave>She wants to do all sorts of public humiliation, obviously too horny for her own good>Have her beg for it>"please Master please!" >"please let your pathetic grovelling slave show the world the wonderful body you have sculpted, Master! please i'll do anything Master!">There's that magic word!>Anything?>What horrific torture will you have to endure to prove your worth to me?>Guess we'll find out in a few days, I'll make some time eventually...Poggers. She had to pog. 100 photos of her with me just pogging out hard in public. Then she was permitted to degrade herself in much less worse ways. There was also 43 rejects that didn't count towards that number. Be careful what you wish for.
>>11360019>>11360115>Slaves too dumb for their own good(in a cute way)Solution here is Smart collars; Ai assistant, Camera and audio feed to master, 2 way communication etc.Why entrust any thinking to your slave boys n girls, when that's best done by master and his tools.Slave girl needs to "remember" her enslavement day or master's Birthday well no problem!Stud needs to track the fertility cycles of a few breeding mares, just program it into his collar.Visual/Audio feeds means master can or could be watching at all times too.A rebellious slave never has a moment to her self.A good slave is never without master's guidance.
>>11360218There is no reason at all to not have at bare minimum a microphone/speaker arrangement in a collar so long as its cheap and robust enough. A slave might feel weird having Master spend any money at all on her, but there's a reason why she gets all this makeup and fancy shampoo that costs more in a week than her daily gruel rations do in a year. Its clear what part of her is important to people. slaves just don't do well at thinking. They are technically capable of it, and they shouldn't. Master can see and hear everything you do, so there's no reason for you to do anything other than obey his orders exactly to the letter. You will be told what to do and how and when to do it, there is just not a good justification for having a slaves head contain anything. I would say they can do all their thinking with whats on the front of their chest and between their legs but they tend to not do too great there either. Best they just never think ever again. Master's voice will come right out of your collar and quiet down any of those bad thoughts in your head.
>>11359839>>11359861>chattel and racial slaveryi only really think about chattel for the brutality of the initial capture, that way it allows just a window of it but not an overwhelming amount, and gives a huge sense of gratitude to Master who 'rescues' you from your captors by buying you.Racial, is just another angle to humiliating myself for Master's entertainment like having to hold my eyes slanted when speaking, or the servile language here >>11359213 being Engrish. i know it's kinda bad, but do you imagine it in high fantasy scenarios like orcs, goblins, elves, dwarves?>>11360218Collar with GPS, camera. microphone, and speaker does sound like the perfect pan opticon>>11360192Such a cruel Master, how did the emoition in the slave's eyes change over time? Resentment, bargaining/pleading, or just getting fully into it to please her Master?
>>11359861>roman timesWhen you look at it objectively, slavery as implemented by the Romans was not nearly as brutal as in the Americas. Still brutal, a lot of dead prisoners of war, but our brutality was unique on a different level. I understand that's notreally what people are fantasizing about though.When I describe what I get out of it, I only describe what *I* get out of it. As I was saying before (>>11358639) everyone has a different take, and even partners often get very different things out of it. But I've noticed that, for most people, suffering usually needs to be contextualized somehow to be enjoyed. Meeting and talking to a lot of people, what I've found is that context matters a lot. It is perhaps the most important thing.>doms and subs are very different on a basic personality levelI don't necessarily agree. I think, for me, it's the mood that I'm in, and who I'm talking to. I have partners that I'm exclusively dominant to, some I'm exclusively submissive to, some where we fuck around and do both. I also play with people that I wouldn't call "partners" but rope friends and acquaintances where there isn't any D/s context. So, neither. We just hurt each other a little with rope because it's good clean fun. It's flirting.>know they were never anything other than a slave or a ownerI don't think that most people in D/s relationships think this way. Speaking for myself and my friends, there's a predisposition sometimes to one or the other, but I think that if we didn't find a kink community we would probably be happy doing something else. But, having found the groups that we did, we're probably happier and more self-actualized than we would otherwise be on average.If there's anything that predisposes you personality-wise, I think it's confidence. Confident people will find it easier to top, but the inverse isn't necessarily true. A lack of confidence doesn't predispose you to bottoming or make you better at it, in many ways it makes you worse.
>>11360362 (cont)>If you've done switching before then that gives a whole different lens on itI realize that I haven't really talked about this, but yeah, I top. Probably more than I bottom. I frequently do both in the same night. Sometimes one right after another. So, here's more about what I mean about it being a mood thing.I used to practice summoning and banishing headspaces at will, switching between the two and back to neutral. Now I can do it in like, 5-10 seconds. Note that this doesn't replace aftercare, an endorphin crash is a mostly chemical thing. But it's useful for getting in the mood for the next scene.For D->s, I start off worrying about too many things. I kneel if the situation allows, close my eyes, take deep breaths, and let myself feel small and sink into my top's presence. I focus all my attention on my top, or the idea of my top if not present, or the feeling of my collar around my neck, and on breathing, letting go, and getting ready to follow their lead and obey. After a bit of meditation, I open my eyes and I'm ready.For s->D, I start feeling too floaty. So I sit up straight and try to cram myself back into my own body and be present again. Once I've done that I sharpen my attention forward, and I take note of small details on things around the room. I reflect on how a confident top holds themself. Then I think about how nice it would be if someone were begging and crying for me. Then I'm ready.I think that this is an interesting skill. I do think that it's helped me fully commit to each role. It's also kinda fun. But it isn't, like, required for anything.
Any interest in starting to collect this in a more curated format on a different site?e.g a wiki instance or custom site for submitting /d/ slave lore
>>11360312>eyes slanted, engrishHm. Yeah I'm positive I scolded you the last time you talked about that. You're that flattie bitch, right? Honestly I am scolding you right now but that's just because it's what you deserve. It actually is a interesting insight into the kind of things I like to own. You felt that shame of how you like to be humiliated this way but its still wrong, Master told it was after all, but if you were personally enslaved to me I'd still want to work with that, it just sounds so important to you. The slant eyes thing doesn't seem the best, but I can see forcing it by putting hands onto you while you go particularly intense with the engrish being especially exciting for those two flat brains, but I would also order that the engrish be done only in private, and only when begged for approval. I for sure wouldn't let you do it among anyone who isn't fully aware of what kind of weirdo you are. Another option could be how you related it to that fantasy world stuff. I am very open about how I identify with elves, long hair and being sad about elf beef that happened 4000 years ago is peak, but you could relate to that somehow. It's a lot less wrong to be humiliated by traits of people that aren't even real, and you deserve to feel inferior in a way that accords with the values of who you serve. I do like magic as part of these settings, the idea of summoning one of those succubi with some modifications to get some submissive variant is a lot of fun. Maybe imagine yourself as a really low tier one of those, the summoning didn't go great, now I have something a bit like a girl that follows a step behind me all day apologizing for how it will never be worthy to be in the same dimension as me due to its little disappointing lumps.
>>11360312Now blogposting by me is also a exercise is sounding like I am haunted by the spectre of a servile yet still sinister neko trickster spirit, but I did trade contact info with my fetlife as Antabolis upthread. I'm not kidding, your brain is the exact consistency of mush that I really enjoy. Even if you're long distance I want to just take a look at whats inside of there, so submit for inspection. Conquering that anxiety is going to be tough especially if you actually do know me in any way, but sending me a message talking about how you are sorry for how disappointing you are, and promising to make up for it with loyal and devoted service then that will be enough to make me happy. You'll do just fine, flattie. >>11360362What you said about the switch stuff is actually very interesting. I do notice you trying to caution your words with just saying you don't have any beef with me, I am positive a lot of doms who talk about "the totality of slavery" are also the type to just not be agreeable with other people at all. Maybe you've had bad experiences with people like that, but you're good with me. Can see the immediate code switch to talking to you versus someone who responds really well to that actually. I hope you were able to talk to that slave friend of mine almost 2 weeks ago now. She really needed it, the perspective you have would help a lot. I'm pretty positive that was you.
>>11360363That whole thing about switching headspaces, yeah it does remind me of a lot of things. I don't talk to my slave friend anything like this thread a lot of the time either. Dominance and submission is such a broad spectrum of things that I keep having to stop myself from thinking that experiencing it the way I do, as a overwhelming force over your entire personality, is the only way. That might be the path for me to truly get how switching works, its a lot like switching voices as I often do when talking in various forms of the cruel dom voice. The act itself is a performance, but it is acting out real emotions underneath.A lot of it does come down to how I want a very extreme lifestyle, and that is not what most people want. Its why its important for submissives to actually be way better at touching grass than I currently am, I fully believe I am responsible for the life of slaves who believe similar things. Even without this being rife for abuse this going wrong could emotionally devastate you. Having all those partners as part of a larger polycule thing like you describe is probably well, more sane. I know that I never would be happy without kink, it's why I feel so badly for the kind of slaves who are into the same sort of interpretation of it.
>>11360381Trying to collect the lore in a more permanent or organized place would be a great idea. I am unsure of what that site would even look like, most people do wikis, but this thread is half/half real life stuff and fantasy worldbuilding, for posters like me the line is the stories meant to be completely fictional, even just having a way to build ontop of that stuff would be neat. Might need to find some way to organize it properly, lots of different worldbulding types, like this story >>11360192 was meant to take place in a world exactly like our own, but the fun part of the greentext story structure is you can often glean a lot of it from just the story itself. Even just having a place to stick all of my greentext ideas into a quivering central bank to allow them to multiply and overflow without overpopulating this thread and leading to starvation from excess fucking would be fantastic, the greentext is honestly the best way to write short form smut. There's no contest. Also to answer >>11360312 question's the rejected selfies lessened over time as she was trained and disciplined to understand that she is never humiliated the way she wants, only the way Master does. The crop is a fantastic learning tool.First she had to tame her natural seething from being forced to do such a thing. Then, force herself to really look like she's authentically into poggin' hard for Master. That was tough. Towards the end, she was happy to finally be humiliated the way she wanted soon as she neared 100. She had 3 rejects from having too much of a smile to her pog. Perhaps she smiled in a lot of her other photos where other slaves would be miserable nothing is worse than having a mouth and being forced to pog. Or perhaps because she saw how I prepared 4 fucking posts and she is glad she barely has to be literate anymore that she sucks cock of a living, jesus christ. I can see why some of you girlies don't even like the idea of numbers.
>>11360524There's been a few cases of mistaken identity. It wasn't me who talked to your friend, I'm >>11350910, the anon from last thread who described spending three months with mistress, how to kneel, etc. I'll use this username going forward, after uncle Ned from The Erogamer. I'll talk to whoever though. mariescott.03 on signal. No that is not my real name.>trying to caution your wordsI tend to condition my statements so I never say things that are not True with a capital T as I understand them. It's not a D/s thing, it comes from writing a lot of abstract algebra proofs.>Maybe you've had bad experiences with people like thatI've avoided people like that, because I think it reflects a lack of experience. Most people do not respond well to this, especially IRL. I think many more people fetishize the idea of meeting a dominant that comes on strong than are actually comfortable with or enjoy it in practice in the context of meeting new people at social events. It's often a better approach in practice to project confidence with your words, tone, body language, etc, then ask them about themself and see if they're comfortable opening up. This tends to work a lot better than projecting your worldview onto them and trying to prompt them for specific responses. If it's online maybe it works. People feel safer online to indulge their fantasies by roleplaying with strangers. But idk. I don't really do that, I have a preference for meatspace.>>11360526>truly get how switching works>The act itself is a performance, but it is acting out real emotions underneathIt sounds like you have the emotional context for topping. How about for bottoming? It's okay if you don't feel the things you describe a slave as feeling. Many switches do not experience bottoming as the mirror of topping. It can be about something different. It only has to explain the activities you want to partake in.
>>11360736 (cont)>overwhelming force over your entire personalityFunny enough I actually do experience it this way. Some activities, especially those involving executive function, I need to be in a dominant headspace for, and I need to be in a submissive headspace to relax. I also constantly notice subtle power and status dynamics with friends and family and coworkers. For better or worse, it's sort of the lens through which I view the world.>the only wayThis is a common pitfall. Common enough that "There is no one true way" has sort of become a mantra in the community. It's a cliche.>Even without this being rife for abuse this going wrong could emotionally devastate you.I think we talked about this before, but my sincere advice is to not fuck around with emotional dependence/codependence. Sex dungeons are not known for the emotional stability of their inhabitants and, poly or not, you should make sure you have friends to fall back on when things inevitably go awry.But yeah, my advice if you want to switch or understand switches is to think about what you would want to get out of bottoming. Think about what activities you want to partake in, how you want to feel, etc. That's probably the prerequisite.
>>11360736>mistaken identityAh that's unfortunate. Glad to have the username now though.>condition my statementsThat actually does make a lot of sense, I can see how it would generally reduce conflict. >the idea of meeting a dominant that comes on strong>at social eventsOh yeah there's no way you're acting like thread regulars in meatspace for the first time. This stuff only flies in a very specific type of culture, and I am thankfully not hopeless enough to try to do that to anyone other than extremely online weird slaves, honestly might have been too normal in trying to build a friendship first, I did manage to get one date doing that cold texting thing and it was someone who I think had a similar kind of living situation but the gulf between wanting paternalistic yet still extremely brutal slavery versus the softest of all cat girl love was too vast. Still glad she was able to communicate to me that seeing me in person wasn't enough to build a immediate spark like she hoped. A lot of people in that kind of space still might expect you to do more than just treat you like a potential new normal friend to get to know you better. >don't feel the things you describe a slave as feelingYeah that's primarily why I have trouble truly getting into the headspace of a switch. I try not to say I "truly understand" something on a deep level unless I can feel what makes it happen, and for submission I just don't. Especially in this idea of kink the emotional attachment is like 90% of what's going on, I don't even care about the sex that much, so its a tough thing to try and figure out. Especially as the idea of bottoming even being capable of not being a mirror of topping is one at odds with how I experience it. I say that not to belittle how you feel things but more that I find it interesting to see how other people experience this and to just understand more about kink as a whole. You know a bunch of math nerd shit, academic interest should come naturally.
>>11360745Oh fun missed the continued entirely while spending a while writing mine. >executive dysfunction, lens to view the worldThat is interesting. This idea of switching is just so far out of my experience, but there's still that extreme similarity in terms of how it is deeply effecting your life. Plenty of people who believe similar things as me tend to think that anybody who doesn't feel this on the exact same totality as them just isn't actually into kink, but no, its still the same thing. Just quite different. >want to understand switches>think about what you want to get out of bottomingYeah I don't think I'll ever be able to claim to actually deeply understand, only that I tried to get on the path. If I was actually submissive I would feel like a, well, switch would flip in my brain that would completely alter who I am. >not fuck around with emotional dependence/codependenceOh yeah no, the reason I put so much thought into this is that this type of girl will very often want to actually just make her entire life about Master, and that will just not end well. Emotional dependence happen so easily in this type of experience since I believe its based on a understanding that the bond that is created will be powerful in such a way that you need to heavily manage the fact it could get out of control, and it probably will try its hardest to the entire time. You're going to want friends. Even if you believe yourself to be a hopeless grovelling slave, you still need friends. Regularly seeing them, Master providing consequences if you feel like spending your entire life under his is more important, helping with guiding a still healthy relationship with them despite taking on a extreme life style. Your advice is completely correct for most normal people by the way. Unless you know deep inside that you trust yourself with another persons life, don't. A lot of people claim to and so many of these slaves never truly lose that wound.
>>11358667In those cases the slave isn't trading for money, they're trading for food and shelter. For it to work through a dealer you'd still have the "who does the dealer send the money to">>11360363s->D feels like a sort of shadowboxing routine some actors do, or like hyping yourself up so you dominate the slave. I guess it makes sense considering it is an act
>be a slave>day to day servitude, currently mopping His floors>curtsy as Master enters the room before quickly returning to work>He stands and looks over me for 10 seconds>then walks over and grabs me by the hair, slapping me in the face before shoving it down and pointing to the ground>"Chair.">yes Master!>have practised well enough to assume the position within seconds>Master's body on my back is heavenly...>...is He just watching a video on his phone>...>3 minutes later, He rises, pats me on the head and orders me back to work>...that was weird but I have no right whatsoever to ask anything, much less complain>need to pay attention to making sure His floors are spotless anyways. If Master finds that I missed a spot I'll be eating my gruel off that spot for a week...Make sure that if some new trailer for something you're excited for drops you involve your slave in it. You spend a lot of your time around her, its only fair she gets to be part of it in a way appropriate for her. It's a win-win both for having fun and having her brain be mushed up even further by random cruelty.
I'd love to be bridled like pic related and pull Master's carriage around town with 3 other slaves, marching in perfect unison obviously, comes with our years of training. And then we'd just quietly stand still and obediently wait outside, our backs straight and eyes forward when Master visits a local cafe.
>>11360761Most people prefer catgirl love. I'm fairly unique in that I have a need for punishment and discipline (alongside the catgirl love), but in my experience I'd say like 1 in 5 submissives are similar. Among that 20% I don't think many are comfortable getting into that sort of relationship with someone they don't know. With my mistress it took years. Not to say that it's impossible, but I think you're kinda unicorn hunting, and the best way to find people to play with on a regular basis is to make a bunch of friends.>>11360785Maybe you should try bottoming for a soft affectionate top. You'd probably like it (almost universally enjoyable IMO), or at least learn a lot from it. It feels nice to relax and follow someone else's lead for a while.>>11361007>actors>makes sense considering it is an actI don't think it's an act actually. I really do take pleasure in bdsm, I don't have to fake it. I don't method act or roleplay it either, I dominate and submit as myself. Rather, method actors try to become the character. I'm already a weird caricature of a person, so I already am the character. Instead of trying to be someone else, I just reconnect with my desire for whatever role I'm to play and jump in.But, again, this is just my experience, and for a lot of people, including many of my partners, roleplay works wonders. I took this approach in part because I suck at it. Whatever you're most confident/comfortable with. Anyway. Back to slavery talk.
>>11362134Sounds like fun. 4 girls is a lot to draw a carriage side by side though. You'd want to get them in two ranks. I'd put the ones with the best asses in the back rank, and the best boobs in the front. Obviously, im not sure how else you would arrange it. It is funny to think of slaves who drive such carriages not dare to look through the cafe windows, but also because they just don't understand what those human drinks would even be. Just a different world. I would like my slaves to be extremely personal, and being given sips of coffee occasionally so you can understand how to make it better is part of that, same with the scraps of people food. This likely just tortures their simple minds further, knowing just what they're missing kneeling down at their feedng bowl. >>11362136>looking for a unicornYeah...I don't believe doing this is safe at all for submissives. Its not gotten me results, but perhaps the fact I actually think its dangerous for the other side should clue people in. I probably won't be able to justify doing this to myself for personal drama reasons forever. The true unity between soft and cuddly uwu submissives and the most brutal and beaten down total subjugation slaves is still being a cat girl by the way. It's like horseshoe theory but for nyaa~.
Do you have any specific physical characteristics that you'd like your slaves to have?I don't have a particular preference for slaves, but for women I do have a wide variety of tastes. I like petite girls who one could easily loom over and overpower. Being able to dominate a slave physically is the most basic method of making them submit to you, and being capable of simply lifting up their small frame and bending it to your will is fantastic.However I also heavily enjoy androgyny and gap moe in people, both males and females. Strong, tall, and confident women are incredibly attractive, and them behaving in a submissive manner or made to submit by force despite their overwhelming strength is also incredibly hot.Similarily for males, I think my main need is that they have to be cute, with a cute face. They can be lithe and feminine or tall and strong, but as long as they're cute it doesn't matter.Slaves are welcome to state their opinions about what they'd prefer their masters to look like, although of course, their personal preference is of little importance to the master who owns them.
>>113621344 does seem a lot, a 2x2 would make the slaves at the front harder to find with the whip if they start slacking off.Do you think your Master would feed you a sugar cube under your bridle at the end of your journey?Would you expect Master to have a slave driving you so He can relax on His journeys out, or would you much rather it be Master's whip.Do you think you could be trained to do it blindfolded and have Master guide you though your reigns?
>>11362136I guess it depends how naturally you can top, as you can leaf and dominate, but the change of pace is always nice. Where do you think Switches would occupy in your slave land? Just as collared slavedrivers, or just as owners until they give up and sell. Maybe they'd be the main source of temporary contracts
>>11360312Super-intelligent Trixie...She'd wind up enslaving the slavers through sheer logic.
>>11363327Switches are just people who enjoy both dominating and submitting. It's not... don't try to overthink it, I guess? Instead of trying to define the term in more detail than that, the correct line of reasoning is "If I identify as a switch (or dominant or submissive or master or slave or whatever), what kind of <role> do I want to be?" Because other people will have different answers, and their answers are also valid.I've done multiple scenes IRL where I've punished other submissives on my mistress's behalf though. That's always really fun, and I've always gravitated towards the "head maid" archetype.I don't really construct elaborate fantasies though, or if I do they don't involve any worldbuilding. My ideal "slave land" looks a lot like the world does now, but if everyone was a bit more open minded. Being able to be open about this stuff in public would be really affirming and nice. I suppose I also wouldn't mind superabundance, an end to aging and disease, world peace, etc, but a girl can dream.
>>11363173Yeah, petite girls are the ideal. Being able to stand over them to that degree, the forced nudity and manacles would do enough to make it visible just how different we are, but when they're that small too it makes it especially obvious. Being manhandled is pretty normal for a lot of slaves, but that too would also be enhanced, although more for the slave. Would just mush up their little heads even more knowing just how big the gap in strength is, its even more obvious to them how right it is that they live on their knees as a attachment to a real persons life. Especially fun to force hard physical labour on such girls too. It really breaks down how they are just bodies meant to serve people. Not too many opportunities to do so in our own world, but you can just bully your slave by ordering all manners of exercises. Going to grab them while they're doing some domestic toil in another room is a classic, if they have trouble dropping everything and doing 50 push ups they can always try again with Master's boot pushing down on their back. God some of them might be small enough to literally pick up by the throat. That could get super dangerous, need to train for that, but they call that the turn submission on button for a reason. Could do that shit while manhandling them for doing something especially wrong, like if the thought of that happening made them horny enough to touch themselves. Even just being able to rise them by a few inches for a few seconds with one strong movement is peak to such a degree they probably would get in trouble for touching themselves without permission even more.
>>11362134>years of trainingUnf, you totally get it.As we were trained for ceremonial use, the march would be absolutely exhausting. We wear hoof-boots that are hard to balance on (especially with semi-permanently restrained arms) and are required to raise our knees as high as our navels with each step while keeping our backs strictly perpendicular to the ground. In our long years of training, we'd have had it drilled into us that slouching for even a single second during a 12 hour workday is grounds for punishment.And of course, ponygirls are strictly prohibited from most recreation. The only acceptable action while outside the stable is to work or be on standby. If a ponygirl is spotted letting her eyes wander, she is usually placed into blinder protocol, and prohibited from leaving the stable without blinders on.Another part of our training would involve learning that despite the fact that our strength-enhancing drugs enhance our sex drives to immense proportions, we must learn to ignore the constant desire to masturbate - trying to rub my thighs together would earn severe punishment. Ponygirls will never have that need sated until they are bred.
>>11363606If she doesn't have blinders on, she may stop or turn when SHE wants toShe should be able to run off a cliff if pointed in that direction.
>>11363606>rub my thighs togetherFuck, I did see mine try to do that, thinking I wouldn't notice. Not exactly a full on pony girl, but she was pulling my rickshaw and it just made her drip so much down there apparently. She still has those years of training but that doesn't make a slave actually smart. The punishment is often horrific but slaves like that are more than used to it by now. Often times I get them just struggling to maintain eye contact while they stammer out "yes Master...". You may occasionally get the screaming and begging, but many years of trying and failing to be a completely perfect slave has meant that she has accepted what her life is. Even if she is upset about being older or something the fact that she is able to do far better service than her younger sisters does help calm her down. >>11363655Blinders would be a good metaphor for life as a slave honestly. Blind obedience, you should be capable of running off a cliff for Master simply because that is His will. Perhaps a couple months of service as a more formalized pony girl would do a slave good in the long run.
>>11363655Wearing blinders is not just a practical choice to make sure that I am always focusing on my task and not getting distracted. But it's a constant reminder that I have a single purpose and deviating from what I've been told to do is unacceptable. Being blindfolded when performing tasks that don't require sight is also a reminder that my life is duty and looking at things when it's not necessary is a luxury that I seldom am allowed to indulge in.
>>11364839>I have a single purpose and deviating from what I've been told to do is unacceptableA slave who fully knows and internalizes her place is somewhat of a rarity, at least enough that she never falters in her devotion to being nothing but what her Master wills. slaves do need sight for a lot of things. To clean Master's home and cook his meals, for one. When attending to him personally, having sight helps in being in tune with his emotions to make him happier, but there are situations where sight is not needed, and thus would be best taken away. Punishment is the obvious one. Taking away a slaves unnecessary sight would actually likely heighten the pain. Sleeping too would be a good fit, although if a slave has a routine of preparing herself early before waking up Master she needs her sight for that, and I don't think its right to permit a slave to remove her own blindfold. >my life is dutyYour life is duty, a duty towards service, towards devotion, towards being shaped into whatever your Master wishes. Such words would be good for affirming prayers for slaves. Your life was never yours, and all you ever had to worry about was living up to the life that your Master had chosen for you to live.
>>11363173I think teen/young and tall but skinny/lanky owners are especially hot, I guess you can call it reverse gap moe, where a cute boy is a very bossy and sadistic, a little tyrant, because younger people tend to have less pity and empathy and be more unreasonably and emotional and whimsical, and because 'school bullying'/gradual enslavement to become his maid while he keeps studying are some of my favourite scenarios.
>>11365018Teens tend to be more sadistic, its true. I do wonder if I was able to enslave a girl back then just what a living hell her life would turn into. Although perhaps the whole slowly being corrupted into a braindead slave because you like tall skinny blonde boys thing would make it her personal hell. Even if a slave enjoys it I'm not going to say she even deserves heaven. Honestly though it is such a good summation of what slavery is to give maid service to a better person while he actually studies. That coffee you make him better be perfect, or else you'll be in about half as much pain as if you tried to read and study yourself. The future life of a slave doesn't even need literacy, it was such a mistake to even try to teach you.
>>11365018Smaller less intimidating Masters will likely always be tough Masters, as Their lack of physical prowess causes Them anxiety to a degree, and taking that out on His slaves is an obvious solution to that problem. Small Man Syndrome is a thing in reality, many of us probably know a short tubby Man who loves to assert His dominance even when it doesn't make sense. Especially when He's a superior to other Men who are larger and/or smarter than He is. He will see every single slight as a slight against His authority and thus be more brutal than a Master who has nothing to prove. Likewise, younger Masters will take His position more literally and treat His slaves closer to toys than an older, wiser Master who may use His slaves in a more utilitarian fashion.Any Master will approach treatment of His slaves as he sees fit, and if He has no prior experience or training from other Masters then his own life experience is His only knowledge to draw on. >>11365105Absolutely. Any task that requires being able to read beyond basic signage likely would be too far above a slave's station. In a case such as cooking and reading a recipe it may be necessary to borrow another Master's slave who already knows the recipe to teach it to Your own. A slave should constantly feel inadequate to her superiors, and being confused when presented with strange symbols that she can annunciate but not understand is a good constant reminder of how pathetic she is.
>>11363655I'd like to think that I'd be well-trained enough that I wouldn't need blinders. A big part of ponygirl training is simple obedience, after all. Multiple years would be spent conditioning me to blindly follow orders and to never stop or turn or move unless commanded. The basic standard for ponygirls would be being able to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, if so required. I would need to have the stamina to do my duty and the blind obedience to ignore my own exhaustion. I will never stop or turn of my own accord - a single failure in my entire career would be unacceptable.That said, if my owner were to wish to keep me in blinders... I can't come up with a single reason why I shouldn't be kept in them. Yes, they're probably not needed... but my eyesight would also not be needed for my job. Slaves like me wouldn't be entitled to our senses, so if my master desires that I live in a world of darkness, then it shall be so. Perhaps even my ears would be plugged to further deny my senses.I'd be completely dependent on the tugs at my reins to know how to safely move. I'd have no choice but to show absolute obedience, and if I am being executed by being run off a cliff, I won't know until realize I'm dropping through the air. When parked, I would have no choice but to remain absolutely still, with no knowledge of my own surroundings. I'd have no idea if I'm being observed, and the knowledge that if I relax for even a second, I could be punished severely. >>11364839As slaves, our lives are not lives of luxury. They are lives that are luxuries.It's only fair, after all. Trying to make everyone equal would result in everyone losing equally. By fully devoting my existence to servitude, others may live in luxury. Trying to myself experience luxury would be a cruel and selfish act that deprives humanity of its dignity.
>>11364839>>11365181>As slaves, our lives are not lives of luxury. They are lives that are luxuries.To me, that's the ideal realization of a "slavery religion".Slaves are sacrificial beings whose service provides gain to all. By allowing slaves to take on the burden of servitude, they can create a life of luxury for people.A slave that has completed their duties is to face a wall, kneel, and pray, devoting their thoughts entirely to service. Rest is only a tool to improve a slave's ability to serve, and recreation is strictly forbidden. A slave is to be entirely without ego, existing only as a tool to execute orders. Doing something as trivial as eating a single piece of chocolate is sinful if it is not directly in the service of one's master.As a religion, it's likely that the extent to which individuals would internalize the faith would differ, but the premise would be applied at a societal level - slaves exist to serve. Some slaves might fully internalize this belief system, and feel guilt at allowing themselves to rest, and beg for punishment for letting their thoughts drift for a split second. Other slaves would allow their minds to drift, but externally practice the teachings so as to avoid being punished, knowing that trying to defy society would result in losing their lives. Free people may or may not strongly believe in the doctrine, but none can deny the luxury they experience as a result of this status quo.The teaching would be that slaves are those who have sinned in previous lives. As long as they continue to sin, they will continue to be reborn in servitude. Only through true servitude may they achieve nirvana.Regardless, the teachings are absolute. Every fiber of a slave's being exists to serve, and every slave knows that nothing else exists.
>>11365181>>11365189>lives that are luxuries>eating a single piece of chocolate is sinfulI appreciate slaves that are already so thoroughly brainwashed that they have a chance of living up to such lofty ideals. They are still technically the same species as humans, this mistreatment will eventually cause some sort of breakdown, even if that is merely just the correct treatment they deserve, but when that does push back all of these silly little thoughts will assist greatly in destroying the last semblance of humanity inside of them, so that they can better the lives of people who deserve to be human. >12 hour work dayAssuming you're getting the same 6 hours of rest I give my girls, what exactly are you intending your life to be with that other 6 hours a day?Tending to the stable? Maybe helping with hygiene for the other chattel, same as they do to you? Since I really doubt you'd ever even allow yourself any downtime. Maybe you'd get stuck into your cage in that time, so long as you don't sleep, but there's a reason why quantifying a work day for my slaves is effectively 18 hours. Domestic slaves are so tightly bound to their Master that even with no active orders, simply kneeling in Master's presence is a active act of service. My slaves minds are filled with me to such a degree that they are only really not "actively toiling" when they are literally unconscious, and even then I believe them when I interrogate them about what their dreams are all about.
>>11365170>Any task that requires being able to read beyond basic signage likely would be too far above a slave's stationI want to try that with my girl, for situations where it would be convenient for her to be able to see some, but not clearly.I bought -20 prescription contacts. She will not be able to read, but it's ideal where her every step doesn't need to be guided. I think she prefers the darkness for these situations, but it's not always practical.
>>11365189>slave guilt religionHonestly the idea of this just sounds like a great way to contextualize just how slaves often act in our own world. Slavery world would be different obviously, but just how often slaves will hold onto lines they believed they crossed with other people, real or imagined, it makes sense that having a belief that those sins will bind them into servitude in the next life could help steel their chaotic minds for the life that they truly deserve. Paternalism as part of a still brutal slavery relationship will always come through in my thoughts I suppose. One of the many reasons I enjoy femdom images, its got so many of the themes that are ideal for a slavery relationship, which is why I often want to take these depictions of feminine domination and make it my own. Picrel I discovered somewhat recently but its so good, the obvious power differential, the slave freaking the fuck out, but obviously it's owner still loves it deeply. Always make sure to hug your slaves in ways that reinforce just how beneath you they are. Having a slave kneel and grovel before me, tears in her eyes, confessing sins and saying "I understand if you wish to dispose of me or send me to prison, Master. I deserve nothing but Master's precise judgment" is such a fantastic image. It just burns my heart to know how deeply slaves feel slavery, and how multiple lifetimes of servitude will never seem like enough. I think the hardest thing for a slave who is actually that crazy to understand is that human beings will ever love her for those qualities. The idea of being loved itself doesn't come naturally to them either, but god I just love what slaves often are.
>>11365105I like to imagine starting as a top student on par with him, making a wager that whoever has less points on an exam has to serve the other for an evening, losing it by a point (maybe he cheated, maybe I was too horny during the exam lol), him making me strip and do all sorts of humiliating acts on camera, then using it as blackmail to extort further services. Of course my grades would fall since I would be spending time cooking for him, doing his laundry, serving under his desk while he learns. Maybe my parents would start paying him for private tutoring, which he'd use to further discipline me and make me serve him. He'd spend the money on dolling me up, and make me spend more time on my looks than on books. Even better if the state is not liberal and slave contracts are possible, although rare and frowned upon.Being reduced to illiteracy is hot. I know in Fallout NV there was a girl who couldn't speak or write because of some sadistic brain surgery. Irl, he'd just have to gaslight me that I won't understand the text anyway, so it's better to bring it to him to read. >>11365170He shouldn't be anxious... even a lanky male can easily overpower and beat up almost every woman. Maybe it would be fun if he was shy and not good at sports or with girls and the experience slowly changed him, as the constant power trips made him assertive, bossy, demanding.
>>11365181Reading you refer to yourself like that gave me the strongest hard on...
>>11366434Slowly corrupting a girl like that sounds fantastic. It still seems a bit too coercive for me, but the moment I figure out that slave is dripping the entire time? Yeah no, I know what she is now. There won't be any mercy. You don't need that whole Fallout NV style cognitive brain injury, instead just the discipline of being told that you're a slave who won't ever make meaningful use of reading text, so why bother? You'll just get beaten until you learn that it's not for you. Even if you need to read it you take to Master to make sure you understand it properly.Fun to have all this money spent on "private tutoring", only to have the only thing you learn be sucking cock and doing makeup to a much higher standard. You are infact learning something, what's so bad about that?>even a lanky maleWhen I was much younger and doing a much better job of looking like my boi Len I probably still could be a decent fight for a extremely fit lifelong field slave girl. Even then, the difference in strength is still quite large. As always the ideals of mastery mean its not right to have so little control over your emotions you take it out on your slaves, but having anxiety, being shy, not good at a lot of things? Oh yeah. Was for sure that kid. Even if you have that spark of mastery where you want to lead peoples entire lives you still don't have that confidence built in at birth, only the desire to build it. Having a slave drip her way into giving me complete confidence to control my own life by controlling hers is, one way to speedrun that. Life would be easier if neurodivergent slaves and their equally neurodivergent owners just started their lives by throwing herself at his feet and saying "No I am your slave forever now, you will give me no mercy and I will not resist."
>>11365376>limiting her vision to only what she needs to seeThe thought of a slave looking around nervously trying to find her master only a few feet away sounds very cute.
>>11366434One day this thread will be about 40% gushing about this one particular artist but the quoted pic does get at why forced nudity is so good, especially when it is obviously completely normalized for the slave. The power difference is so immediate and visible, you don't need anything else to know who you should be talking to and who you should be slapping and barking orders at. Pulling down my pants just that little bit to still be clothed while fucking a slave is also just fantastic to reinforce that difference. The fact that a slave at her most completely dehumanized, could try to live the dream she has built up in her mushbrain of having every single piece of media confiscated from her, to the point where kneeling down to suck Master's cock might be one of the few times she regularly sees any kind of male nudity, aside from possible assistance to Master in the shower, it's just complete commitment to life as a tool. I don't have many of the stuff saved by this artist that is like, sci fi eternal darkness of infinite slave girl torture in space. Makes that pic pretty good since this creature is pretty happy for once. Usually she's a lot more like a toy, and that toy is in a lot of pain. Trying her best to fulfill her purpose and not complain. >>11366598I'm not too sure how that stuff would work but if you lose Master from a few feet away unless you really focus on keeping track of him since you would mostly see fuzzy blobs then that would be pretty cute. The anxiety setting in of trying your hardest to figure out which one of these is who you serve, just adorable. Also one of the only paths to actually taking away a slave's ability to read that isn't just punishing her whenever she tries to and it's not essential enough to bring the text to Master to dictate for her.
Seeing some of the girlies here talk about their ideal personal hell of being a pony that is not allowed any recreation has got me thinking about how to handle that level of dehumanization where entertainment doesn't get to have entertainment. It's one of the primary ways I expect the extreme slavery dream to run into reality, if recent posting didn't tell anyone. The kind of slaves who want that kind of extreme lifestyle tend to be just as autistic as the owners who want that giant amount of responsibility. Probably means a immense amount of videogames, something like a scrappy laptop that a slave could play on as a reward would likely be the first idea but I think that misses the point of why a slave is that way. They are kept alive by this extreme personal connection, even being in another room to clean it is mildly torturous to not spend every waking second in Master's presence, looking at a screen instead of looking at Master would drive home just how wrong it is to her value system that she is doing this, so instead simply hauling them up on your lap is the solution. Might need a especially petite girl to do this long term, the slave diet can only do so much. Have her play a videogame that's been kept for her as a reward for good service, or even simply because Master ordered her to since her lack of humanity was beginning to wear her down and effect her service. Having a eye towards keeping her mind healthy and fit for service is essential for long term stability in keeping this basket of mental illness and servility around for your entire life. Extracting some price out of her in response for your kindness would also assist in helping her little brain. Sitting on Master's lap is heavenly but is also a little like you're using Master as a chair, so it's only fair to have chair duties. Actual equivalent time wouldn't be the best idea, so perhaps she can make up the difference with doing exercises in the corner of the room, alongside footstool duty.
Can slaves be raped?
>>11367315Theoretically, not really. I'd expect any slavery world to still see rape as a crime, but one against another Master. I would want it to be more serious than stealing or using other forms of property without it's owner permission, but that's just because it causes a lot of emotional distress a slave is uniquely capable of feeling. Not for it's sake, its just more serious than stealing a dishwasher, a slave does more because it can feel more. Realistically, even in slavery world the paternalism shines through, if a girl of mine would even consider something done to her to be truly against her wishes I would want to interrogate her. Even if she would have legally no actual rights, the philosophy of it reflects better on me if a slave serves out of a desire to dedicate her life to me, versus serving because she gets beaten when she doesn't, is still there. It's going to be hard to square away genuinely not wanting to be a slave with slavery world but I'm a kind man, I am positive I can help her understand it isn't her decision to make, and she needs to accept her lot.In our own world that's a whole can of worms and we're here to be horny, but any slave of this type of extreme lifestyle subjugation would want to have the trust that she isn't a person and never will be, so you need to do right by making her safe as a thing that is completely defenseless and is incapable of standing up for herself. Your slave is just not going to see herself any other way, don't try to teach respect for her own humanity to her, its like trying to teach your fridge about consent and boundaries. At best she's just going to make mild progress on respecting yours and then grovel and beg to be tortured halfway to death when she fails.
>>11367315>Can slaves be raped?Oh yeah. There's a difference between fucking a slave and raping her as big as there is between "sex" and "making love." Just fucking a slave is all about the master; his pleasure, with his slave just being a tool, something he uses like an object than puts away till the next time he needs it. But rape is *all* about *her;* that perverse forced intimacy where he focuses all his attention on her whimpers and cries, reveling in her tears, thrilling at the power of stroking her emotions into whatever turmoil he wants. Fucking just dominates her body. Rape dominates her heart.
>>11367380Oh I can absolutely see that dichotomy. The line between use and rape is usually when the tears start. Shouldn't be too hard, you can always tell when a slave is having a good time when it's emotions start overflowing, which is often.
>10 year anniversary for my slave>She's excited, knows she must be getting something>Like being taken to the vet for a extremely invasive full physical checkup>Looks scared at the staff, but thankfully I made sure to be in the room, she can be slightly more calm looking scared at me>Not a word spoken to her, only simple orders. Strict doctor-patient confidentiality. >Only began discussing her health with me when I indicated I was knowingly letting her stay in the office and lick my boots. >She's mostly fine. About as well as a slave could be. >She's been treated well, and should have no problem being branded. >Fantastic!>Lets go immediately, I'll drag her over right now
>>11367315slaves getting fucked without their Master's permission is rape>>11366434Blackmail is a very good origin story, I see it starting with being bullied, white blouse is dunked in the toilet, with humiliating photos taken of me without it, and me with it largely transparent afterwards. I'm told that if i don't submit and be a good slave, then not only will the photos get circulated, but it will happen againIt kinda ends in largely the same way except the popular clique getting their own slaves is seen as a fashion accessory, and ending off with each lunch time having the slaves clothes used as currency in strip poker, or the slaves strip off from the start fold their clothes on the bathroom floor, and are used as stools for their owners
>>11367699>Bullied a slave at school into accepting what she is>Failing at all her classes>Alternates between staring only at me, then down at the floor when she's too scared to meet my gaze>Is pretty much full time live in service for me by now>Still have to keep up appearances going to school every day>Every single lunch time, she dutifully reports to me>There's some greenspace nearby the school, only like 3 or 4 people will see you, its fine>Serves as my outdoor footstool while I read>She's lucky that there's still too many people to actually confiscate her clothes>She's lucky most days anyways...I still find it tough to understand exactly why all those slaves are so horny to be blackmailed but the bullying that leads to the creation of the blackmail is still a bunch of fun. The number of photos of you sucking my cock or worshipping my boots fully nude on school grounds continue to rise as I get better at finding openings to get away with it. Perhaps if you were being treated with even more disdain than usual then the truth has finally gotten out, and you aren't ever going back to pretending. Or its just the regular amount of slave anxiety acting up again, who knows. I suppose I do understand that part of it where it's a way to torture a slaves mind even further, actually.
>>11367368>“Master, I can hold my breath for a loong time!”
>>11367988I always saw that image more as leaving her somewhere to cry her brains out as punishment for whatever disobedience she's done. Sure there's the tide coming in, but not enough to drown her, or maybe that's not even a problem at all and torturing her with that possibility is just part of the punishment. Idk I don't actually live near a proper ocean.Actually wait, you're probably going to want to tie her up in a position where she can't intentionally lie down flat and drown herself so Master doesn't have to suffer her insolence anymore. She can't actually hold her breath for almost 5 hours, she's lying, maybe throw her in the reflection pit away from the shore instead.
>>11362134>>11363210Whenever there's a team of ponygirls I like to imagine one of them being the lead girl. Still in restraints, but ungagged so she can micromanage the team, and/or given a remote to zap them back to attention if they get distracted.
>>11368124Even if im not as into ponygirls the idea of having a more trusted slave to assist in micromanagement since it's a lot to handle even for controlling one girl is a good one. It'd be tough to get one that has anything other than complete follower instincts, but skills like knowing exactly how to give short and percise commands to her sisters, being able to anticipate what her Master's want and instantly organizing around that. For a ponygirl specifically, im not sure how a remote would work exactly, but having her in the back rank so she can give commands seeing the rest of the team while being closer to Master is a good idea, although I would keep discipline remotes like that in my hands. She already is close enough to having a tiny scrap of my authority, it might go to her little head. Ponygirl talk actually gives me the idea of bringing home a rather cheap slave from the market, and after she gets over her deep fear of asking anything from a Master at any point in her life, she admits to me that the horniest thing imaginable to her is just to be a head empty beast of burden. Unfortunately her life is going to be a lot more miserable than that, but I can help her out. Ontop of her regular duties she now has to train to do laps around the home with perfect pony technique as part of a show for me at the end of the week. I'm not carrying anything ever again, she even has to follow me around holding my drink every day, assuming she doesn't have other cargo to carry. Anything on her back is for sure also going to be punishable for not kicking her legs up with perfect technique every time. slaves that wanted to be as smart as a internal combustion engine when they grew up unfortunately can't really live out their dreams, but you can always help them get close enough they don't get sent to the glue factory. Never give up.
>>11368526Love to see scenes of just regular domestic service. The fact its 4 of them also lends itself to the same sort of contrast as a lot of slave auction images, I think I like the one in the back the best. As part of a work crew or just a personal harem though it's fun to imagine more personally overseeing these girls for a little while, making a mental note of which one performed the best to give her a headpat for a job well done, and if any of them perform badly enough to warrant some form of mild punishment.
>In the market for a new slave girl>Arrange for the local slave market to coffle 3 of the cheaper ones I have picked out together, alongside a few hours with them to help figure out which one I ultimately want to take home>They can start by doing their best to beg to be the one permitted to suck my cock first. Only one of them isn't being sent back to the market, and competition can reveal a lot about what my new property will be likeQuestion more for slaves, but how would you attempt to impress your potential future Master in this situation? Try to fight the other girls? Break down and just be your completely pathetic self? Immediate attachment and devotion, "please I'll do anything to spend the rest of my existence with you Master!"? Lots of different things a slave can do, and no way for her to tell which one this complete stranger would be most receptive to. She'll likely just have to be authentic to how she really is.
>>11368134>one that has anything other than complete follower instinctsUh, guilty as charged. I'd rather just follow orders, get zapped when necessary and run to the direction I'm told to. I leave that management and thinking stuff to other more capable slaves. And cargo to carry? Yes please.
>>11365376>she prefers the darkness for these situationsI would love this for a slave. As part of her morning routine. Take them off at night and put them on in the morning. Learning braille, reading words with her hands. Being a blind sex slave. Impressing me without having to use her eyes. Anything thick enough to block out light would dry and thus adhere well enough that she wouldn't be able to remove them after a few hours without either a lot of resetting solution or tears. I like the idea of changing her eye color to something unusual but not unnatural, like all of the blind slaves would have pale blue or green eyes. From the outside, I don't want it to be obvious that she is effectively blindfolded from the moment they're put in to the moment they're taken out.And for her, no way to anticipate what's next.
>>11369149Yeah its really tough to find a slave who isn't exactly like this. Some of them honestly get excited when they have something heavy to carry, and I'm not obviously making it up. >Master gave me this big box carry behind him, i'm so lucky!>it's not a weird big rock we found outside, this time he isn't being randomly cruel to me, i am being useful to him!>yay!You should never discount the effectiveness of the therapy boulder however. slaves still love it.
>>11368756>try to fight the other girlsas if anybody would risk their merchandise harming each other like that, we would be strictly left in arm binders, or strapado or both.Of course Master would have a little option to try before you buy. We'd have remotes for our shock collar, and vibes. On top of this Master would also have the option to work us over with a paddle, and choke us, but really as the slave we'd be too impotent and powerless to do anything but stare pleadingly/angrily depending on the slave's temperament, and pray
>>11366449That's part of the idea, anon... giving other people hardons is what slaves are for.
>>11367315The action that would be referred to as "rape" in the case of a free woman would, for a slave, be much more accurately characterized as "vandalism" (or even "plunder" - which is what the latin word "rapere" translates to). As someone else said, it's a crime against a master, not against a slave.It should go without saying that masters may freely use their slaves. It would be odd for a slave owner to ask the slave for their permission at all. However, slaves are property that are, by default, for the exclusive use of their owner. Violating a free person's property, whether that be his car or his house or his slave, is a serious crime.
What about sexual humiliation? Would it break a slave faster if they can't stop dripping?
>>11369964all kinds of humiliation will help, but with sexual like that, you have to emphasise that it's happening because their body likes it, and recognising that it's how it should be treated
>>11369528The key word here is "cheap". Most people don't buy girls out of the refuse pile, but that's just something I like to do. Having the shock collar with a remote I can press to send disabling shocks to all of them if need be is a good idea, but otherwise I like to rescue one of these poor souls and really brainwash her. They're lucky if they're sent to the mines after failing here, so being able to make a very strong impression is important. Presumably I wouldn't be liable for that much should damage come to the merchandise, it's not like these were meant for much more. >>11370356>recognising that it's how it should be treatedThat would be the critical part of a lot of what a slave is subjected to. How its morally right for them, and that they actually like it anyways. A slave accepting her place isn't just because she's been brutally beaten down and forced to, but is also framed as her finally accepting herself for what she is. slaves are slaves, no matter what they tell themselves.The moment a slave starts dripping all on her own just from being nude and forced into servitude day to day would be a cause for celebration actually. Take a happy selfie with her, it's like a little mini birthday, her realizing what she is. Can celebrate it every year with even deeper humiliation.
>>11367315Obviously not any more than you can "rape" your hand or any other masturbation toy. Consent isn't even an idea that makes sense in their case. Although it is pretty cute when they frantically tell you that they consent right as you are about to use them. I almost want to roll my eyes, like it's adorable that you think that matters to me, but we're gonna have to have a talk about why you thought that word would apply to your situation once we're done here.
In your world is there any limitation on how far you can take treatment of slaves or any protected groups?
>>11371721No killing
>>11371721I think it makes sense that someone who is known for being exceptionally cruel or sadistic would at the very least face social consequences. Most people recognize that slaves are defenseless, and torturing something helpless without good reason is considered pretty distasteful. If we are being as realistic as possible most stable slavery systems in history actually had certain expectations for Masters to follow, right? I feel like it's sort of necessary for non-slave members of society to feel like slaves are handled with a certain level of justice. Reminds me of a slavery story I read where all the slaves are the property of a corporation who is supposed to enslave those who consent to sign themselves over (they also kidnap and brainwash people) and guarantees a certain level of safety from abuse (they don't give a shit about abuse if owners pay enough). But the public perception is that everything is pretty okay all things considered, so abolitionist movements never get a real foothold.
Also it could be interesting to ask how are abolitionist movements treated in your world? Are they a joke? Those soft-hearted pansy liberals don't understand what slaves actually need and want. They're always handing out fliers or having annoying protests but nobody takes them seriously, if any of them actually ended up owning a slave through some fluke they would quickly realize how good slavery is for these things.Are they dangerous borderline terrorist John Brown types? Maybe they are known for kidnapping and attempting to rehabilitate slaves. If slavery hasn't taken over the entire world there is probably some sort of underground railroad organization that these type of people are involved with. Or they have many agents and sympathetic/paternalistic masters who work within the system to try to reduce the harm done to slaves.Or, wtf why would I have abolitionists in my slavery fantasy? That's not hot at all don't be ridiculous.
>>11371749I think there would be a recognition that a life of brutality and pain is just what slaves are meant for, but that while slave cruelty laws do exist, it's a line that only really carries social consequences, rarely legal ones. At the end of the day they're just slaves. It's super weird to be into torturing them to within a inch of their life, much less actually killing them, but legal enforcement runs into the problem where most people agree there should be a line, they just don't agree as to where. The idea that these things even feel pain in a similar way to humans is not universally agreed upon. >>11371764I would say that it's often thought of as a nice idea, I'd appreciate the level of care they want to give to slaves, but it's very misguided. slaves are meant to be this way, deep inside their servile soul is the need to exist underneath people. Even if you were to give them all of these human comforts, the desire to be human comfort will come through, and you'll find them trying to take off their clothes and worship some pebble that someone they really like stepped on. It's ultimately naive the idea that you can teach a slave to be anything else. You'll just be disappointing yourself and it.
