The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.Previous thread: >>7940569Some resources:/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asgBooks:Understanding Comicshttps://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/Making Comicshttps://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255dManga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Mangahttps://annas-archive.org/md5/2877da11e2f852d220853e9944e6ea49Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwritinghttps://archive.org/details/RobertMcKeeStorypdf/Even a Monkey Can Draw Mangahttps://kupdf.net/download/even-a-monkey-can-draw-manga_58b9ca16e12e89233badd376_pdfThe Shonen Jump Guide to Making Mangahttps://mega.nz/file/i81imLpI#GcheJ9Jjk3lw1RE9nQWgL4RG4wEBNOcRmgA-iaU6WpgVideos:"Manga Senpai/Tokyo Name Tank", "SMAC! THE SILENT MANGA AUDITION COMMUNITY"Habanero Scans: https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videosManben link can be found on archive.org on different pages separated by season: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/1bu9f0y/found_all_of_naoki_urasawas_manben_and_manben_neo/Urasawa Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkIFOAoFm47XOAlJwTa6Ieg/videosOP image is from Bokura wa Minna Kawai-sou
>>7946810Other open comic publishers:Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faqTop Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).Additional publisher lists:> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/
>>7946812Some western / indie publishers of Manga:Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )> *The* western manga publisher.> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.> Still might be worth a shot anyway.Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )> Small indie manga publisher> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes> Allows crossposting to other sitesIconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration
>>7946814/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onographyhttps://discord.gg/QYnFBves7Vhttps://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)Additional community added Resources:Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videosGanmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/postsHow (You) can help /mmg/:> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.> Don't be a crab> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.
Currently in a rut personally and had to file for unemployment recently. Not looking for pity but wanted to mention it cause part of the process is showing that you are looking for work and Im PRAYING that pitching my shitty comic to publishers counts as looking for work, at least for last week cause thats all I was doing with setting up pitch documentsPic unrelated I just wanted to start the thread with actual drawing
working on this manga-esque illustration
>>7946850Nice titsNice drawing, too
My main character is psychologically trapped, so now in a cage formed by his own hair.
>>7946873>>7946850
>>7946850Are you going to do actual manga?
https://files.catbox.moe/xu0hob.pngI finished this a few days ago and now the high of finishing something wore of so I am reviewing and seeing what I can do better, this page got saved by anon's help like a month ago. One thing I learned to do is to draw full environments on another file and then shrink them down to put in panels when you need them. Also I originally had rooms that were hexagon shaped but then they ended up looking like poorly done square rooms in perspective.
>>7946888That's something I always wanted, so I'm making these illustrations to test the waters.I also have to study storyboarding and storytelling, since I don't know anything about the process.
>>7946919>I also have to study storyboarding and storytelling, since I don't know anything about the process.There's no single method that everyone uses, it's more about coming up with a system that works for you. But more importantly it's about sitting down and just doing it. Refine the system if you run into problems, Otherwise you're just procrastinating.Also, with all the difficulties and challenges in making a comic, you'll make the biggest headway if you come up with a reliable way to defeat procrastination because that's the single biggest enemy. It's beating the shit out of me...
Manga is dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like webcomics
>>7946969Webcomics are dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like webtoons
Hark! lest thy youthful folly lead thee astray! Webtoons hour hath come! tis time to come of age and set thy hand to drawing fruitful works, such as tapestries.
we need a new medium that's between webtoon and youtube short like an auto-scrolling comic with music
>>7946850>>7946919Any social?
>>7946981The thing about webtoons I hate is how it's optimized for mobile and it's like doing acupuncture on your balls if you try to read it on a real monitor. I literally don't use my phone other than as a phone, sms receiver and maybe a map sometimes.Just another of those things that remind me I have nothing in common with the current hip generation.
>>7946978>Webtoons are dying, it's time to grow up and start drawing productive things like video games
>>7946981That's called a cartoon
I hate to break it to everybody, but art in general is pretty hard to make money from.
>>7946915looks awesome, how much of the enviroment gets covered up when you port it over? I just draw it behind, but its definitely harder to visualise, when theres characters in front>>7946919Honestly I think its something you can quickly get the hang of, just copy other artists, and sorta view it as shots from a movie. Comparing animes to mangas can probably help too with that, and visualisng how they translate. Like the first episode of Friren covers the first chapter, and a bit of chapter two in 20 minutes. so around 50 pages in 20 minutes
>>7946996it would be like individual comic panels playing in a video maybe with a voiceover kinda like those AI cat stories
>>794699290% of comics read globally are on phones. Adapt or perish.
>>7947012It's called a motion comic
Just while I'm drafting the next scene, how do you guys think this scene flows?https://imgur.com/a/84-93-wp7Jv9oStill yet to color it properly, but it'll have the blue color scheme probably.and if your interested, this is the whole thing so far below.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uvBsXSrIdUzGQu-R8fMN91b9nwrwC02J
>>7946992They suck to read on phones too. The scroll thing isn't for readability, it's to cram more ads in. It sucks having to constantly be flicking your thumb. Standard manga format works just as well if not better for phone display, just so long as the dialogue is clear and readable without zooming.
>>7946979This shit's bangin'
>>7947062I haven't really even thought about what my comic would look like on mobile. I just assumed panning and zooming is a given for the miserable fucks who force themselves to read that way.
how do I get more people to read my comics?
>>7947062It's actually very easy to read on phones if designed properly. The action of scrolling leads to the comic becoming more addicting to the reader too.
>>7947058flip the image on the very first panel so the car goes in the same direction as in panel 2, that's the only thing that comes to mind, rest of it reads well!
>>7946979Looking real neato. Good job on the tapestry work, Aussie anon.
>>7946992>I literally don't use my phone other than as a phone, sms receiver and maybe a map sometimes.Scary to think someone would choose to live this way.
>>7947205good goy
>>7947205i don’t even have a mobile phone. i like it very much.
>>7947205Golem mitts typed this post
>>7947214>>7947217>>7947239>t. posted from my iphone
>>7947205You aren't representative of the majority of people on earth. Even Somalis and Indians living in 3rd world shanty towns have smart phones now.
>>7947205And you're not scared of all the data they collect on you?
>>7947252I don't like it but the only way to prevent it is to not own a phone and never use the internet. Aren't you scared of xKeyscore?
>>7947252What are they gonna do? The only reason to be scared is if you're a criminal.
It's took me 8 months to fully finish 71 pages, not counting cover arts and character sheets. Is that decent time or am I going too slow?
>>7947314Sounds decent to me
>>7947307Or if the data falls in the hands of the criminals.
>>7947322And how often does that happen? Don't use sketchy websites.
>>7947326Big corpo's employee will visit a sketchy website for you. Not like the data needs to be stolen when selling data and discriminating based on said data is perfectly legal.
>>7947326Isnt 4chan a sketchy website?
>>7947326A government only needs to fall into the hands of criminals once.
>>7947000thanks man, I have a general idea of where the characters will go but I accept that I'm going to cover up art inevitably. Sometimes I use it strategically to not have to draw hard things in backgrounds, but most of the time drawing something and then covering it up with a character makes the place feel more 3D.
>>7947331Rebecca Sugar posted here and drew blackface art and she got hired by Cartoon Network
>>7947322Banks and social media companies get all their user data hacked all the time. You should stop using banks too.
>>7947332The majority of western governments are ran top to bottom by criminals.
>>7947357>Rebecca Sugar posted here and drew blackface art and she got hired by Cartoon NetworkI guess when that /co/ anon said she was based and put secret based content in her work he wasnt lying.
>>7947307and who decides what's illegal?
>>7947367She published her blackface art in an art book and drew underage porn of Edd from Ed Edd and Eddy which she posted on 4ch too. Bitch is made of Teflon, I guess that's how it is when you're gay and Jewish.
>>7947105post it
>>7947359>just make your own banks
>>7947412The government...?
>>7947329>>7947331>>7947332There are a bunch of contingencies and protections to make sure the worst doesn't happen, stop doomposting.
>>7947483And how will you feel if they made something you like illegal?
>>7947488Like driving fast? I get where they're coming from, it can be pretty dangerous.
drafting/lining hefferchu comics, feedback welcomehttps://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams
>>7946990I have a twitter acc and an old pixiv acc@rein1155users/14735673>>7947567cute penguins
How the fuck for I draw backgrounds like this? Did Q's assistants do it for her? Are they tracing photos? How the fuck do people draw backgrounds this good?
>>7947610trace a picture of a building, but skillfully with line variation and scratchy lines and shadows.Put a screentone over it to show shadow.draw in extra thinsg like doors and windows and polesThat's it, you start with a picture or model to trace nowadays though instead of an image. Nobody's drawing realistic buildings from scratch.
>>7947614So Q or her assistants are tracing photos over a lightbox to get this effect?
>>7947616yes, or doing it on computer with layers.Some mangas dont even trace the building, they posturize it in the art program (turn it into black and white with lines) and leave it like that.
>>7947617>art program (turn it into black and white with lines)Do you have any tutorials to do this in clipstudio?
>>7947610Its just perspective bro. The artist here isnt even doing anything that sophisticated. That kind of shit is just squares on top of squares.If you can get pic related cause it shows you the barebones way of achieving buildings, but if you want vid examples that show how to achieve this look just look at these vids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nZii37jrwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfHRReALvVchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmSg_F4P5yUAlso ignore the other anon. Yes there are manga that trace buildings but after looking at the manga this aint one of those artists. Most of the building based on what I saw are kind of filled with nonsense detail and are barebones, alot of it is more impression of buildings rather then accuracy. Like if they are tracing they are tracing off of just generic cubes and build detail on it from there. Again look at the vids you can achieve something similar by just doing cubes on top of cubes like the vids I linked
>>7947619I'm not good at it, but its this button that's highlighted in blue in the lower left (if thats where it is by default IDK) As you can see it looks shitty but you can play with the settings like strength, and this works better with clear models or photos without much color to them. I just grabbed a random photo. I'm guessing assistants can make this look better and then draw over it to fix things
>>7947620They might have added the beams and extra shit on themselves but they could have still started with a normal building. So its a combination of tracing and constructing to make original assets.
>>7947620Do you think they're using microliner and ruler or free handing with a g-pen?
>>7947622>>7947623Looking at the actual art this shit looks mostly free hand
Like even for the more clean art that I could fine you could achieve this free hand(with a ruler). Like in pic related this more clean building is honestly just basic cubes and Id think it be more trouble then its worth to just trace that shit. Like he takes note of the repiticous stuff like the arches and the roofing but looking at how the windows arent exactly aligned with one another and the general sloppy look to it, like you dont get this from tracing.
>>7947610>>7947616She doesn't have assistants.
>>7947626okay/ we're talking about buildings not rooms.
>>7947629>>7947627
>>7947630he asked how to do backgrounds like the image he posted, and it looks like using models and drawing over them was the way. If you want to believe they are drawing normal japanese buildings from scratch and then adding stuff on top, go right ahead. There are different levels to this: you can make the perspective lines yourself, you can use the CSP perspective tool, you can use a cube model, or you can use a japanese building model. People here say using tools is not bad but then if you say something looks like it was done with tools, people will jump at your throat and call it all hand drawn like you just insulted the art.
>>7947628Is she just fucking GOATed? >>7947627>>7947610Do they use reference photos for these types of building drawings or can they just make it up out of their heads?
>>7947058I like it, but every panel the trees were drawn differently, got distracting
>>7947632Well its a matter of how to get specific effects. Like usually a big giveaway when artists trace or use 3D elements is that if shit looks too clean like pic related(or in some cases like in Dandandan just have real photos of Japan and apply an effect like you mentioned here >>7947621 ) but for the shit that anon was asking about that shitty gritty look can be achieved free hand. To get that look you dont really need the shortcuts especially if you look at the vids that I posted earlier.>>7947635Probably both. More likely for that colored page one that she looked at an actual fancy building but again for those jap buildings theyre just a bunch of repeated boxes and squares. If you know perspective drawing you can bullshit that kind of stuff easily if you wanted to.
>>7947635Her drafting approach is more than doable. I've also looked up to her for many years, and while trying to learn how to ape her style I found the easiest way to replicate this linework is by half freehanding the ink work. I use a ruler and lay down a faint line, then draw over that without one.Buildings aren't as bad as they look. The worst thing about doing backgrounds this way is that it's really tedious, but if you know how to do a box you can put the elements together easily.
Can i get some comments on this? It should be the final version of the page
Drawing this one has really been hurting my hands.
>>7947484He he, yeah, those would never be overridden, that could never happen, certainly not in real life, and there are no examples of it happening in the past two years
>>7947359If I could I would
>>7947610Skip drawing them for 75% of your panels and just draw a bunch of lines?
>>7947669I'd put more effort into her shadow if that's what's to the left of her, erase the line around it, as well as add shadow for the other one unless she's not effected by light somehow. Some elements look kind of rough with the double outlines unless that's just lineart and the rough draft under it or something, also I'm not sure what is under them in the last panel but it seems like it should be less faint since you can barely see it.
>>7947674Not entirely sure since I struggle with necks myself but there might be some toyotaro in that last panel.
>>7947711It's supposed to be water, not sure how to make it more clear
>>7947062What would be roughly a good font size if you want it to be easy to read on mobile? (Let's say, ratio of font height vs page width) Any other considerations?I'll probably have to test my pages on a phone, but transferring files from linux to iphone is proving to be more complicated than I expected. I did look at some manga pages, such as the OP image of the previous thread (with the funny egg head boomer man) and that seemed to be just about the lower end of legibility without zooming. My current font is something like half that size... I got that by referencing old print comics.It probably wouldn't be a huge problem for me to just go back and rearrange my layouts so that each page has an average of 3-4 panels vs the 5-7 that I'm currently using. It's fortunate that I made the decision early to use "flat" pacing so where the page turns happen doesn't make a big difference, and my panels are all simple rectangles which also would make rearrangement easier.The realization of why my compositions seemed dense compared to most modern comics... of course it's mobile. It's always the fucking bleep bloop device.
>>7947713I don't mean by their feet, I mean the grey part with diagonal lines beside her. Unless you mean the tube stuff under them, in which case I just lack context for why it's like that I guess.
>transferring files from linux to iphone is proving to be more complicated than I expectedOh... right. The phone has a camera. I can just point it at the computer screen and take a photo.Actually my comic is surprisingly readable. Might actually be better than a lot of mangas due to my relatively thick line work and use of strong black and white contrasts.
>>7947721If it's just a few images or something I just catbox or email myself, PC bluetooth is fucked aside from controllers and headphones
How can I make my compositions more interesting, and more importantly, what resolution do you guys use for full pages?
>>7947484Not really. I have worked in various roles in government for over 10 years and I can tell you laws can get real fucking squishy when a political agenda is being pushed. Whole county sheriff's office I was in is now in shambles because a literal criminal got elected as Sheriff thanks to his skin color and sucking the right dicks.
>>7947711Any better?
>>7947739This already looks extremely interesting as a compositionAnd you seem to draw at a huge resolution too, I've never seen a larger comic in my life
