Discussion concerning Higurashi, Umineko, Ciconia, Rose Guns Days, Higanbana, TRianThology, and all other 07th Expansion works.07th Expansion archive:https://1drv.ms/u/s!Apo9jt_5n1kcbruVfFQLmtYesrY?e=q2ARE6Password: 07Old archive backup at:magnet: xt=urn:btih:311bb86e9f983a9393cca7d2190233c5b86a872c&dn=07th%20Expansion%20archive&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.opentrackr.org%3a1337%2fannounce07th Links:https://pastebin.com/XjcX45p6Umineko colored truths script:https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/418818-4chan-umineko-colored-truths/codePrevious thread: >>46606207
Sexy schizo meido thread?Sexy schizo meido thread.
>>46639920Such sex, such sex...
>>46639891If Rena and Mion were innocent during the first arc, why the hell did Rena stalk K1 and listened to his entire conversation with Ooishi in secret for an entire hour and never mentioned it again? Also, why did Rena and Mion keep teasing schizo K1 into even more madness such as marking his arm with the marker when it is later established that Rena has very good social deduction and would be aware of K1 going dangerously schizo?Could it be, that was the logic error that Umineko mentioned? That Rena and Mion were actually in on some big conspiracy?Hinamizawa syndrome was not meant to be a thing in the start. That's a bullshit explanation later retconned by the gamemaster. There was an actual Oyashiro-sama alternate explanation. Ryukishi had different plans for the story. Someone agree with me.
>>46640117Rena is schizo and everyone distrusts Ooishi. She was probably just bringing him drinks then heard his name and got pissed, but the whole thing is pretty awkward to bring up.Rena also wants to trust K1 and thought "he is lonely" -> pull some pranks and have some fun -> he's not so withdrawnThat whole thought process could be more Mion and Mion convincing Rena to go along with it
>>46640241Objection. The story and game never brings up the fact Rena was mad at K1 for talking with Ooishi post-knowledge of HZ syndrome. If Rena was truly mad at k1 for that, then it would mean that Rena actually had murderous intent. Could it be that Takano was actually supposed to have been the good guy in the story trying to uncover the conspiracy and killing Rika? Remember, this is Ryukishi we’re talking about. This means that anything that isn’t the point of view of K1 could actually be completely falsified. Which means that the ending scene of Takano getting rekt, is Takano losing to Rika aka. Bernkastel winning over Lambda. In the ending scene with Takano and K1, Takano never outright reveals her plan as given by the GM. She just wants to shoot that bitch. Which means the plan for Takano was to uncover Oyashiro-sama conspiracy and get rid of them. It is established the witch of miracles is a bitch and only benefits the wicked. Rika is the wicked being here. The Oyashiro-same conspiracy is real and all the girls are in on it, except maybe Satoko.
>>46640402>If Rena was truly mad at k1 for that, then it would mean that Rena actually had murderous intent.No?>anything that isn’t the point of view of K1 could actually be completely falsified.Stop being dumb wannabe umiautist.
>>46640492Umineko outright confirms Higurashi is in the same universe, ignorant bastard. >No?Author would have specified the alternative to Rena stalking K1 in the phone conversation, yet never does. I wonder why. I mean why else would a character stalk the MC if it isn’t anything of the above. If Rena is as nice as portrayed by the alternative point of view, then why would she ever be mad and stalk K1 like that. Or why would she and Mion bring K1 into the brink of murder knowing full well that’s what happened with the blonde twink? Yeah, kill yourself anti-intellectual scum.
>>46640549>Umineko outright confirms Higurashi is in the same universe[NTA] Eeeehhhhhh, I wouldn't go that far.If you count them both residing in the sea of fragments, well sure, but given it's nature it seems like a fairly loose connection at best. The references aren't all that strong, more like easter eggs for people who had already read Higurashi, but I will say they share most of the same themes, but Umi is a lot more dark and fucked up when you think about it.
>>46640549This is a joke right? You're a caricature of a bad umi fan. You're so in love with yourself that being called dumb makes you mad.Characters aren't just one stereotype. Especially Higurashi which is about showing good and bad sides of characters, and leading them to atone. Rena is both an obsessive schizo, and a caring friend. She blows up the school with all the kids and her friends inside in many fragments. Yet she overcomes her demons with the help of her beautiful friends.You gotta read the VN, not just look at a wiki page.
>>46640912Answer my blue truth, scum: It is established HZ syndrome can only affects one character at a time, then Rika dies before she can see what happens next. Which means that if K1 had HZ syndrome during the first arc, it means Rena is completely innocent and ignorant. But she’s not as proven by the stalking and then subsequent murderous teasing which cannot be explained without the schizo lens very effectively. This means that the original story actually had Rena, Mion and the rest as actual murderous people. It is never established for Satoko to have snake eyes, so she’s probably innocent. Rika is the mastermind behind the entire plot, fooling K1 and the viewer (you) into thinkingthat HZ actually existed with fake perspectives with Takano. Takano is the good character but failed in her mission at the end. This is the logic error that was fixed and then mentioned in Umineko. Higurashi was meant to have a completely different story but was scrapped by the author. Remember, hinamizawa syndrome was only established in the answer arc, it was never at all mentioned for it to be a biological thing at all in the question arcs. Higurashi is therefore an unreliable story with a scrapped story path. All you see is fake and Takano is the actual hero.
>>46641444>It is established HZ syndrome can only affects one character at a timeNo>Which means that if K1 had HZ syndrome during the first arc, it means Rena is completely innocent and ignorantDoes not follow>Rika is the mastermind behind the entire plot, fooling K1 and the viewer (you) into thinkingthat HZ actually existed with fake perspectives with TakanoYou're just saying nonesense now with no proofThere is no blue truth, there is no proof or theory, you're just a wannabe wiki reader spouting BS. Stop wasting time.
>>46640117Rena is just a schizo that never fully got over her HS from her past when her parents got divorced. Even in the chapters where she's not the main HS victim, she's still fucking weird.If she's following K1 around then she was worried about him and how he started to act differently upon learning some weird shit about Hinamizawa. His behavior mirrors a lot of what Satoshi did the year before leading up to his disappearance, which is the main reason Mion and Rena were so worried about K1. They didn't really deal with it the best way, but no one could know what Keiichi was actually going through in Oni.
>>46641517>NoYou never read the VN as proven by your ignorant arrogant answer. Rika says to you, the viewer that in all fragments, it is either K1, Satoko, Shion or Rena which are overtaken with intense paranoia and then everything falls apart. So yes, HZ syndrome in the context of the story is only ever a one person affliction before Rika dies. Everything after Rika’s dead is almost irrelevant since she can respawn and everyone else in HZ dies. >Does not followDoes follow. If it is established HZ syndrome can only affect one person at a time, it means Rena should not be stalking and listening to k1 and also teasing a paranoid K1 when she knows damn well that’s what happened with the blonde twink. Rena is not retarded as proven by her deduction skills. She would not continue teasing K1 in the alternative non-schizo lens. If Rena is acting out of the ordinary when K1 is the one with HZ syndrome this time, it calls into question the validity of HZ syndrome in the first place. It also calls into question, when did Ryukishi EVER establish HZ syndrome to be a biological pathological thing? That’s right, he never did in the question arcs you dumb fuck.>You're just saying nonesense now with no proof. There is no blue truth, there is no proof or theory, you're just a wannabe wiki reader spouting BS. Stop wasting time.Good way to out yourself as a casual who projects his wiki reading obsessions unto me. Maybe you should read the VN and stop thinking of Higurashi characters as something to goon to with your spergy discord friends. >>46641612That’s what the author wants you to believe. Rena is a bit schizo because she actually is a huge fucking schizo who is out to get people like K1. Mion and Rena actually did kill K1 and everything afterwards supports all of them being in on it in some way, with maybe Satoko being innocent. You can only trust the perspective of K1 as the most objective in the story. But somewhere along the way, Ryukishi threw the story and changed into the HS bullshit you see in the Answer arcs with Hanyuu.If Higurashi was as is, then it doesn’t make sense how HS and Hanyuu, two extremely important things, were added in the question arcs just then.It also doesn’t make any fucking sense how Hanyuu was in Hinamizawa in the ending with Takano, when she’s a god. If hanyuu exists, magic too, then how is the point of the Higurashi logic error also not valid?
>>46641696*Mion and Rena actually did want to kill K1
>>46641696Your whole house of cards theory is built on a misunderstanding that only one person can have the syndrome at a time when Satoko is always on L5 meds. So by your inane deductive reasoning Satoko is the "culprit".
NO Hinamizawa syndrome isn't real! Because Rena is a weird girl and we all know weird girls only act that way cause they go L5, Bern/Rika said some"one" goes crazy every fragment, that means Rena can't have the syndrome same time as K1, that means that means it's all a lie and Ryu tried to hide the truth and I don't even remember Satoshi's name, but surely Rena knows everything that happened to that blonde twink when his killing and insanity was covered up
>>46641744Satoko is only ever established to be on L5 meds on the ANSWER ARCS. Never on the question arcs. The question arcs only mention she goes to Dr. Irie, but it is never mentioned what for. For all we know, she could be undergoing some kind of experimental psychological experiments sponsored by the Sonozakis and Rika. Also did you ever wonder, why did Mion and Rena approach K1 during his schizo stage when they could have waited for Dr Irie and his men to take care of him when it was proven he was dangerous when K1 smashed Rena’s fingers on the door? If they were innocent and good people, Rena would have realized that and just waited for the grown ups to take care of him. But that’s not what happened. The 2 of them went by themselves and then tried to murder K1. And then seeing how they both got rekt, the Amainu went and took care of K1 with either experimental or supernatural shit. Supernatural shit does exist in Higurashi, as proven how Hanyuu existed in the ending. >>46641834Exactly my friend. Rena was always a bad person from the start, and so was Mion. HS is a red herring and Ryu changed the story midway for some reason.
Is this what happens when someone reads Umi before Higu?So fucking dumb...
>>46641885Higurashi originally had a very different plot. But there was a logic error of some kind, and that’s why it gets mentioned in Umineko. >>46641902I read Higurashi first
I guess I should post this in this thread instead Im imagining a VN similar to Higurashi, but its set in the Americas before the arrival of the Europeans, and it explores the various customs and legends from across different cultures. Theres probably some connecting thread (like maybe the MC is the same "soul" or is related in some way, or maybe its just their role in the village or something (a kid, maybe a bit of an outcast) that ties the stories together. Theres definitely some suffering and the MC is the victim of human sacrifices and the like.then the "answers" arcs is basically when the Euros come and they fuck them all up and then they convert everyone and thats how the suffering ends. The soul of the MC finally ascends to heaven instead of hanging around in these cursed civilizations and The Message is basically that only G-d can save youI will include Dlanor as a character that appears
>>46639891sayo on the catalog
>>46641964The relentless shitposter.
>>46641964Sayo isn’t real and is a meta character, just like Lion. The real culprit is not Shkanon or Sayo.
>>46641990Meds. Sproke. Take them now.
>>46641997They tell the sane to take meds when they’re completely awake
>>46641964She'll regret it soon
>>46641964She should be on Battler though.
>>46642020
>>46641990Lion is real in my heart
>>46642053There should be an episode where George honor-kills Battler but right before George is able to pop Shannon's cherry the island blows up
Why does Shannon like to sexually assault her younger brother so much?
>>46642129>george kills battler>despite this solving the problem sayo was having and her feelings for george supposedly measuring up to those for battler, she flies into a rage and brutally murders george over it
Post brutal mogging.
>>46642244
>>46642174Forget about Kanon, why not me?
>>46642240Being Joji is suffering...
Why does Ushiromiya Lion have such a cute little mouth and smile in the manga?
>>46642343That's my king :)
>>46642129
>>46642240>Battler winds up dead before the first twilight >What the fuck? Plan's off.>Detective Shannon has to solve Battler's murder before the storm fades and the Umineko no Naku Koro ni>cycle of suspicion as more people turn up dead but her servant conspiracy has nothing to do with it>It was all George. She kills him and blows up the island so no one will ever know how awful he actually was.
>>46642369what is her plan here?
>>46642447Fucking oniichan
wish I were here
>>46642240When you set up the roulette, claim you're ok with any outcome but sperg out at any outcome that's not the one you could have had just by using the magic of a fucking telephone
>>46642516Telephone? noWriting a letter by yourself? noGoing schizo and setting up a murder mystery game, so he would notice you? yes
Sayo should've done the honorable thing and swallow a bunch of pills. Or at least buy a sturdy length of rope
>>46642581blowing up the island IS her rope, she's just taking all the bastard ushiromiyas along with her
>>46642665did Jess really have to die though?
>>46642581>>46642547>>46642665Ffs, why do you retards keep believing sayo is a real character. She is a fantasy character same as the Chiesters, same as Willard, same as Lion. Shanon and Kanon are two different human beings entirely, not personalities. It is even said in red when Battler asks Beatrice about the definition of a person, and it is confirmed in red that person means an alive human body. Kanon and Shanon both die in the games as two different people and HUMANS. Therefore Sayo cannot be the real culprit. You have all been rused by Ryu into thinking Sayo, a fantasy character, is actually real.
>>46642690suicidal girl can't think straight, pls forgive
>>46642691ok, then she's real in my head
rikatight
>>46642697>can't think straightI see
>>46642731holy shit it all makes sense now, sayo's a little autistic so she took the phrase "can't think straight" too literally and became gay
>>46642697Meido with a gun is so fucking hot
>>46642691Kanon is real. Shannon is Jessica's tulpa.
>>46642759very true, taking the idea of liking a woman who can kick your ass to the furthest point of finding a woman who could blow your brains out at a moment's notice attractive is just a natural thought process
>>46642772Don't forget those of us who just really have a worrying fascination with ultra-violence!
>>46641444>Rika is the mastermind behind the entire plot, fooling K1 and the viewer (you) into thinkingthat HZ actually existed with fake perspectives with Takano. Takano is the good character but failed in her mission at the end.italianon is that you
>>46642174who wouldn't?
>>46642953
>>46642690the whole thing would have been easier to swallow if ryu hadn't decided to double down on yasu totally actually planning to kill everyone for drama points. just have her write shit she'd like to show to battler with a complete separation of fiction and reality. it even makes the island actually blowing up in the end a painful irony rather than yasu just being such a retard that she decided to actually try something and fucked it up in every way possible. plus you know it leaves yasu/beatrice an actual sympathetic character rather than whatever the fuck we got>>46642691>Beatrice about the definition of a person, and it is confirmed in red that person means an alive human body.lmao when the fuck did that happen that's the funniest shit ever
>>46642964happy ever after
>>46642980>it leaves yasu/beatrice an actual sympathetic character rather than whatever the fuck we gotbut her being so fucked up is the reason I like her though
>>46642980You don't think Yasu/Beato is a sympathetic character? By the end of Umineko, I felt just as much sympathy towards her as I did the other cousin/Ange etc.
>>46642720LOVE!
>>46639891>two men in the OPHomo thread
>>46642980>lmao when the fuck did that happen that's the funniest shit ever"Of course. Three people--in other words, three bodies--went in or out.".The red truth is absolute. People are categorized as BODIES by the red truth. Which means that if we go by the red truth, Shanon and Kanon cannot be the same body if they are two different persons. Shanon and Kanon are siblings, and are not the real culprit. Sayo is also not real and is a fantasy character.
hmm~
>>46643304To elaborate more into this. There are no more than 18 people in Rokkenjima, which means that its a tricky truth, because Kinzo had already been dead during the events of the massacre. If there are only 17 people in the island in total, that means that Yasu cannot be amongst the people because a human is categorized as a body and as a person. The culprit is a human and nothing other than a human can have an effect on the game as per the red truth. If this is the case, this means that Yasu is not amongst the humans as she is never mentioned. Also as per Knox's rule number 1, she is not allowed to be a culprit. Therefore with all of this evidence. It is safe to say: Shannon and Kanon are their own human body and being. Shkanon is NOT the culprit!
>>46639891Is it just me or are the Ushiromiya not nearly as wealthy as I have expected them to be?
>>46643416anon are you reading umineko through the fucking lp archive?
>>46643429no
>>46642447she's smirking at my favourite spiritual animal. she will be a very cruel witch in the future.
>>46642757>a little
>>46643677Just perfect
>>46643019I have sympathy for Sayo in the same way I view a sick or dying animal. I pity them but I understand the only thing you can offer them is a swift death.
>>46643304>>46643374The Be Fair(tm) those particular lines only referred to the episode 6 locked room logic error, where the only trick was basically Kanon moving around under another person's name. There was never an attempt to say these statements applied to, say, the episode 3 locked room chain and its "six" "dead" "people". And the latter was already a logic error as it proves witches couldn't have an effect on the game, thus doing all of Battler's work for him, lol.Aside from that, all you've proven is that single-person Shkanon makes no damn sense, which we all already knew.
>>46643321And in this fragment, Keiichi was found in the telephone booth with no obvious woundsUpon autopsy however, it was found that massive damage had befallen his pelvic region, his testes were swollen from overuse and biopsy confirmed that his balls were in fact drained dry as a bone.Master Maebara's father had an unusual reaction upon learing of the manner of his son's death, seeming excessively shocked at the injuries and exclaiming "Lucky little shit" at excessive volume.Psychological stress on the parents may have been excessive, consider referring to professional care if the father's reaction does not normalise in good time.
>>46643835keiichi's dad would only say that if rika was involved
>>466438531 Rika does not even begin to add up to a Mion * Rena double team.>How does he know it was them both?He just knows. He just does. It's the only possible theory.
Stop victim blaming Sayo. Sayo didnt murder nor plan to murder anyone. Everything that happened on the island is pure and complete FICTION okay??? Neither are Battler's parents the culprits, nor is Eva, and theres nothing to be the culprit OF anyways. Everything was just all a big accident that was "blown up" by the media as some freaky mystery.The whole subplot with Battler/Shannon is bullshit anyway. Its just a parallel for how Ange is the one thats actually been waiting for Battler to come back for 1000 years and all the dumb shit Battler wrote is just cope for Ange"Shkannontrice" only makes sense within the FICTIONAL stories we were shown, nothing more
>>46641444Im rereading Higu and there is a degree of foreshadowing for HZ (or at least SOME sort of Biological thing going on) Its mostly throwaway lines but, for example Keiichi noting that the hospital is unusually large for the size of the town. Theres a mention of biological stuff/pathogens in Onigafuchi swamp in one of the lines when "Mion" gives you a history lesson in Watanagashi. Theres also the mention of Unit 731, and the flesh-eating stuff (For example you could theorize by this point that the unnammed affliction K1 has in Arc1 is caused due to accidentally eating human flesh) Theres also the presence of needlesAnd the fact that Takano is one of the only characters with sprites who arent children. You only have Tomitake and Ooishi outside of her (and we know she works at the clinic) Like the solution could have been different from HZ but its not completely out of the blue that it was something in that realm You should give it a quick reread
>>46644306Damn, it's almost like the answer to the mystery wasn't revealed halfway through the game, how could hackeshi do this to us?
>>46644207Then Eva refused to tell Ange that it was an accident for 12 years. As a prank.
>>46644306>>46644321I think Nekogoroshi really should have gotten a VN chapter conversion because although a seemingly pointless story narrative-wise, it really gibes a lot of support for the conspiracy theory (Rumor about unknown group in the outskirts of village, also strange smell in the area, hinting at what actually causes the GHD).
>>46644306>And the fact that Takano is one of the only characters with sprites who arent children. You only have Tomitake and Ooishi outside of her (and we know she works at the clinic)Also Irie, who was actually the original intended villain (which got changed because R07 realized if he did that Satoko would have no adult on her side at all by the end of the story). Although even in the Irie villain plan, Takano was still part of the Tokyo conspiracy, she was just there was a supervisor though, without personal involvement.
>>46644346The part where Eva akshually secretly liked Ange is just cope. Just like Maria coped with Rosa.Eva hated Ange and didnt hide it. Besides we know that Ange is the one who started bitching to Eva and telling her its all her faultJust imagine you were a billionaire 40-50yo cougar who just lost her hot husband and prodigy son, and some little brat starts leeching off of you AND bitching and accusing you everyday. Id hate that bitch Ange too. Shes the worst character of all.
>another dumbass posting stupid shit hates angehow does she do it?
I really hope most of the post in this thread are bait because most of these opinions are so shit
>>46644389You know what they say, keep your theories to you, and post the theories you dislike everywhere, so that people argue against them
back when 07th expansion threads were more alive>>33103540
>>46643802The red truth in the logic error chapter confirms Erika first observed the rooms that the family were locked, and then sealed them all. During the time between observation and sealing, any person could have gotten out through the window and then have had it locked by someone inside. So it could have been anyone saving Battler, not just Shkanon. Also just to kill your entire theory, it is said in red in that same chapter:>Battler and Kanon are different people.If people are defined as bodies in the same chapter, it means that Sayo is NOT the culprit and Shanon and Kanon are their own being.
>>46643853HOW did Keiichi's dad see them? Is his desire to draw lolis truly so great?
>>46644866never underestimate the power of a lolicon
>>46644306I think it's mostly the "why" of Higurashi that really have little chance of figuring out until late in the story.It's not crazy to predict Hinamizawa syndrome/hallucinations in some capacity, although I can't imagine someone getting all the rules/symptoms correct(which is fine). Like you said the focus on the Irie clinic is important.That scene in Tatari where Keiichi runs into Takano post-murdering Teppei makes it painfully obvious that she's the big bad or at least on their side. But you really have no idea what her deal is until Minagoroshi/Matsuri.
>>46644866Little girls are the best thing in the whole entire human experience. Little girls are sacred and are meant to be enjoyed.
>>46644919The only thing I really didn't like about reading higurashi was the emphasis that was constantly put on "solving" it when you literally can't up until the answer arcs because you lack so much information, I didn't bother reading half the sperging out about retconning and whatever else in this thread because I don't care enough but regardless of any of that or what the intended solution was, it feels like you just aren't meant to be able to solve it yourself yet you're constantly being told to anyways.
>>46645116You can solve it if you actually realize that the story has an unreliable narrator in a lot of perspectives, and that the only semi-objective lens is that of K1. If we go by the question arcs, you can find out that Takano is the antihero to the story. And that everyone is involved in ritualistic murder and a conspiracy to punish under Oyashiro-sama's order. Especially the Sonozakis and Furude Rika.
>>46644724>Also just to kill your entire theory, it is said in red in that same chapter:>>Battler and Kanon are different people.how did you know about my "kanon is the other battler" theory
>>46644724>Battler and Kanon are different people.This still holds true. It's fucked-up logic but what else could you expect out of Umineko. That's sort of it's whole thing.
>>46645135>If we go by the question arcs, you can find out that Takano is the antihero to the story.I mean not.. definitively? You can easily assume she's an antagonist and she's sinister ever from the first scene you meet her but you have no way of even remotely guessing her motives or goals until you know about her relationship with Rena which happens way into the answer arcs. When I read it I had a feeling the Irie clinic had something to do with the disappearances and I became pretty confident she was guilty moreso than he was but to guess that there's a schizo disease that somehow Rika is in control of that causes everyone to sperg out when leave her with the actual schizo Rena being the only evidence of that, and that there's a mysterious operation in Tokyo is trying to capitalize on and also that Oyashiro is real in addition to that just feels completely out of left field. I really do like the story and I had fun reading it and I think it's well written but my complaint was just that every new answer just pissed me off a bit because every time the fourth wall broke it was to challenge you the reader to solve it when you aren't exactly meant to or able to. I guess umineko is kind of similar to that as well but umineko is a whole different situation.
>>46645116For the first handful of chapters you can get a lot of the way there to actually understanding what happened, but you'll never fully get things right until the answer arcs.Higurashi definitely plays with its drip-feed of information through the chapters and TIPs. Sometimes you'll learn something that isn't super important to the current chapter but reveals something about an earlier chapter. Like how learning more about Satoshi gives context to how Mion and Rena talk about him back in Oni. Or Mion playing body janny in Tsumi makes it even clearer that's what she did when K1 killed Teppei.
>>46645225I did get the feeling that that's what happened with teppei's body, but the way it was written feels weird.She couldn't have picked a more confusing way of telling K1 to shut up and say he was at the festival all night if she knew enough to realise what he was doing.
>>46645254>Mion and Rena giving Keiichi a wink and a nudge to say he was at the festival with them>Meanwhile he's going fucking insane and starts to lose his grip on realityHe was just too far gone by that point
>>46645254>She couldn't have picked a more confusing way of telling K1 to shut up and say he was at the festival all night if she knew enough to realise what he was doing.There is a scene where Mion and Rena call Keiichi to tell him something in the junkyard, but then Mion leaves first and Keiichi refuses going with Rena alone. She then just lets him go rather than saying anything and after that he doesn't see them again. Rena really should have spilled things there.
>>46639891New Umineko anime remake?New Higurashi anime remake?We've waited long enough, Sotsu was 3 years ago and a fraud as was every other manga. Just properly animate the 2 good VNs ryukishi made long ago.
>>46645356no
>>46639891*block your path*What do?
>>46645376Call in my good friend
>>46645356Do people still really think a Higurashi remake done under the "Higurashi violence is meant to be funny" guy would have been any better than the Deen anime?Anyway, Daiichi has already used all the Gou/Sotsu footage for their pachinko, so we'll in the near future either see a pachinko machine with all new footage just for pachinko or they'll actually sponsor a new season.
>>46645376what do these friendly fellas intend on doing? surely nothing nasty to little ol rika
>>46645395Kneel to the underworld GOD
R07s new project needs to be literally Haruhi
>>46645980I'm surprised there hasn't been Haruhi x Umineko collab, would be pretty fun to see Battler try to explain all the supernatural shit
>>46645322
>newnigger /v/ermin still replying to fbnormalfag
>>46647309>you can NOT reply to some random retard on the internet because... because you just can't OK???
Hello fb without the stupid name
>>46641563Hi Kanon.
This is getting a lot more complicated
So is 'Festival Orchestrating' or 'Festival Accompanying' the more correct translation? I honestly kinda hate the latter
>>46648777Rodent queen
>>46648796Rikafag mindbroke you
that's a nice /v/ thread you got there, real subtle
>>46648943what
>>46648962there's legit just a thread on /v/ with satoko's pussy as the OP, still up after an hour surprisingly
>>46645980
>>46648969It's dead now
Why the fuck shounennigger obsessed hypocrite with higurashi content he even harassed me on /a/. Xe everywhere
Ratoko >>>/a/265695076
>>46649261>>46649247>MOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IM GETTING BULLIED HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELPwhy the fuck should we care?
>>46649285Sup ratokonigger
>>46649247I think rikafag and angefag should make out
>>46649298I think rikaschizo's "friend" is actually angefag taking a pity on him
>>46649311Ratoko falseflagOnly you care and thinks i am your friend
>>46649311Not true.If it were, 9/10 Ange pics posted would be loli
>>46648236it was his plan all along
phase 2?
>>46649247>hypocrite Huh? Why are you posting Ange now, hypocritical ratkanigger?>>46607977
>>46650089>obsessed shounenniggerstop posting in here and umishit is shit and king, ratokoniigger>obsessed with pictures and postsk
>>46650089He's just tsundere
Ange as angel, or Ange as anger?
>>46651074Angel. It's confirmed. It's also sometimes spelled as Enje.
>>46651074She's my angel
I'm in love
THERE ONCE WAS A MAID NAMED YASUSHE HAD A CRUSH ON HER COUSIN/NEPHEWBUT THEN SHE GOT LONELYSO WHAT DID SHE DO?CALL HER COUSIN/NEPHEW?NO SEND HIM A LETTER?NOFLY OUT TO SEE HIM WITH HER EXTREME WEALTH?NOINSTEAD YASU CAME UP WITH A BRILLIANT PLANDATE AND GET ENGAGED TO HER OTHER NEPHEW/COUSIN, ALL WHILE TWO-TIMING HIM WITH HER NIECE/COUSIN, ARM A GIANT BOMB, AND DIETRULY, A TRAGIC FIGURE PURE OF HEART, LIKE THE INGENUE BEATRICE HERSELF
>>46651074Fat as in fat>>46651081It’s huge.
>>46651403Everytime someone posts something like this I get sad because some people are just that illiterate huh
>>46651468Your next line is "it was all just fanfiction!"
>>46651471author's headcanon*
>>46651403Telephones are magic toxins please understand
Yasu is not a real character, she is a magic character. Shannon and Kanon are their own being as proven by the red truths >>46643304>>46643374Understand casuals, kudasai
She did nothing (wrong).
i'll always find it funny that there are 'people' who unironically believe the guy who wrote blatantly unrepentantly evil satoko getting away with everything after making her so ridiculously vile that it's fucking laughable is actually capable of writing an entire sprawling answer to his story UNDERNEATH the 'answer' he seems to be writing and pretending it isn't there for well over a fucking decadelike if this was some amazing once-in-a-generation writer creating something that seems not nearly as deep as his other works then i'd get expecting some sort of hidden truth beneath the truth, but this is the guy who wrote fucking higurashi he's not a legendary wordsmith he writes about lolis wiping windows with their asses
I'm having a hard time figuring out what you're sperging out about specifically. Regardless, I think Higu, Umi, RGD and Ciconia (The one chapter we have of it) are all good narratives and that's all that matters to me. I don't really give a shit about the cashgrab animes or whatever, I just judge each work on its own merit and don't bother with the few shit ones.Whether Ciconia will continue or not, who knows, but I'm sure it'll be just as good if it it does. Aside from Gerokasu, all his vn's have remained consistently good in my book.
>>46651921Me personally, I don't think he's "capable" of it. I think he changed the answer at some point (probably around when BT died) and did a poor job of covering it up. Thus, two answers, the original and the new. The question then is if the original answer can be divined from the existing material.
>>46651493>>46647100>heavy breathing>incoherent mumbling>"S-Sorry!">*click*
>>46652636Yasu can't use the telephone without being the man from ten years ago
>>46651921Go fuck yourself. Trans rights are human rights.
>>46651403>ALL WHILE TWO-TIMING HIM WITH HER NIECE/COUSINDid Kanon even do anything with Jessica other than going to her concert?
>>46653033Well, consider that Shannon regularly teases Jessica about her crush on Kanon, and then the implication of them being the same person
>>46653442>tease jessica about her relationship with kanon as shannon>repeatedly reject her as kanonshannon sure was quite the cunt for someone who doesn't have a cunt
>>46652682>>46652893>>46653563Kill yourself.
>>46653975Godka haunts your every thought you have to mention her every hour.You think of her so much you're gonna make a tulpa of her soon.
>>46653957what why
>>46652295that's a far more reasonable outlook on it, there's obviously some amount of changes to how the answer was presented at the very least simply due to virgillius at one point being the man from 19 years ago, but it's amazing how much credit some people seem to give ryukishi expecting he did that shit on purpose and not because he was flying by the seat of his pants half the time and some of the dots look a little wonky when you join the line together because of it
latest meishit? any good butts. (rika/rena)?
>>46652295>i don't know what the original answer was but ummmmm it was changed ok?
Why are some of you retards so obsessed with speculating about some sort of "original answer". I feel like R07 really shot himself in the foot by being open about his writing process because it lead to some people just getting so hung up on the fact it got changed during its development (like pretty much anything else ever written) and using that as an excuse to not actually judge it on its own merit.
>>46655587In this case it's even more stupid exactly because he's so open about this stuff. He's open about having changed the culprit in Higurashi from Irie to Takano, but he affirms he never changed Umineko's culprit in spite of the various rewritings that started in ep3.
>>46655607I don't get this either because Umineko's culprit is abdundantly clear from the beginning. There are so many hints and so much foreshadowing towards Shkanontrice in legend, and I daresay its clever too. When Maria talks about having been delivered Beatrice's letter, if you go back and really think logically, the only person that was able to deliver said letter to her was Kanon. But most people don't think of that because you still think Kanon is a guy at that point and barely anyone expects that answer. When Gohda says to Genji to "Leave only the ladies to their work" and to leave them alone, he and Genji completely ignore Kanon's existance for seemingly no reason, and so does the reader that doesn't catch it. Tons of small details like this are all over the earlier episodes and I rarely ever see people give credit to him for those things.
>>46655704>impossible for anyone else but Kanon>forgets Rosa was the one who went back to Maria directly after the flower incident and was the one with the letter
>>46655587>people just getting so hung up on the fact it got changed during its development (like pretty much anything else ever written)This is what gets me. To these people you either write down every single detail from start to end or you're making everything up as you go along.
>>46655704Why couldnt Shkannon just be a red herring, or just an accomplice while the main culprit is someone else?
>>46656194It's one of those things where, if you go by the knowledge you have at the time and think about it in sequence, the answer becomes somewhat obvious with just how much its hinted towards. Kanon is the one who would've crossed Maria's path from the guesthouse and the main house and Kanon is the one who pretty much ''leads'' everyone else to Maria by reminding them of her absence. Again, logically speaking, Kanon is most likely even if Rosa is also technically possible.Jessica even jokes about any of the servants putting on a dress and delivering the letter and she and Battler laugh it off, but the narration still mentions it might not completely be a joke. The narrative practically beats you over the head with hints that Kanon is Beatrice but to the vast majority of first-time readers, it all goes over their head.>>46656420Why would this be the case then. What ''original answer'' would you be looking for. Shkanontrice makes sense and is hinted towards from the beginning.
>>46654209rats will never be cats
>>46656194>>46656531Also the fact that Kanon would have acces to the letter stamp, which Rosa doesn't.
>>46656582Rikafag mindbroke you
>>46656660Ratkafag*Get it right next time.
>>46656667You can't even post your two AI images anymore? Bit pathetic.
>>46656691What?
We have entered the world where Shitokopeasants do exactly as the Rikakings say.
so do you guys think virgilius was meant to actually be sayo at some point or was the man from 19 years ago a completely different person at one pointbecause it's one thing to say ryukishi knew who the culprit was gonna be from the beginning, but if like 90% of the motive wasn't even ascribed to her originally and it really was just "you made a childhood promise and broke it so now i'm gonna kill you all" then that's still kinda shit
>>46656807You mean was the character Virgillius going to be the one part of the shkanon trifecta and Beato be a different "culprit"? Doesn't really make sense to me but I have never thought of it. In Dante's Inferno Beatrice is the end goal and Virgil is the guide right? Thematically maybe there's something that could be interesting there IDK> just "you made a childhood promise and broke it so now i'm gonna kill you all"I see it more like insane suicidal psychotic incest baby, the personification of the Ushiromiya family's evil, was given the keys to the bomb by the regretful Kinzo, and it decided to play a suicidal game with it.
>>46656807Not really sure why he would be, I'd expect him to be like Virgilia and Erika combined, though I've no clue how R07 would've gone about that. I don't really see why it can't be Sayo. The whole motive for Sayo was that she wanted Battler to see and remember her, it wasn't about wanting to see Battler in person or to contact him, she wanted HIm to do it. It's really just teenage girl drama with 10 layers of depression and guilt. No matter what route she would've gone down, she felt as if she was bound to continue the cycle of abuse and misery inevitably, the whole thing about the best way to make a bully is bully them a lot and then give them power applies to Sayo as well, she got dealt all the shitty cards in life and Battler forgot her as well, so it lead to her doing all of that in a manic frenzy of anger and depression.
>>46656905>>46657008basically i'm just wondering if virgilius was also an aspect of sayo much like shannon kanon and beato, since thanks to ep9 we know virgilius was originally meant to be the man from 19 years ago either that part of sayo's backstory wasn't even hers originally or virgilius was just another part of the yasu mix (and ryukishi decided not to mention that for some reason)and of course without that part of her backstory sayo's motives were either different (which i'd argue is akin to having a different culprit but that's up to your own personal opinion) or were once a whole lot more shallow
>>46656807I haven't read Last Note, which is where I'm guessing the line comes from, but the wiki says he was going to play the role of the man from 19 years ago, not necessarily that he was him. It could be that he fills the part of being Natsuhi's blackmailer, which also kind of overlaps with Erika cornering her.
>>46657069I get you, but I mean, if that were the case, the work would've been so different that it's hard to really imagine what could've been what. I don't believe Sayo's motives were ever that different because Umineko establishes all these things so early on that you'd have to completely change the whole narrative to come to a different outcome. Roles could've been changed between different characters, and plot devices could've served different purposes but I believe it was always meant to come to a similair outcome, R07 justt changed the means in which he decided to send the message; Almost any written work undergoes changes like this during its development. That's what I believe at least, of course no one can know for sure what was planned and what wasn't but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since Umineko has a good and consistent narrative throughout.
>>46656729
>>46656807you're retarded if you think the promise was the trigger. that only made sayo double down on the magic delusions and multiple personas. the true trigger was resolving the epitaph and sayo realizing everything in her life was a lie.
>>46658090anon the point of that entire post was talking about how originally "sayo realizing everything in her life was a lie" may not have been a possible thing originally since the 19 years ago man was virgilius' shit and potentially might not have even had anything to do with her, and how that would've made her a worse character if she hadn't been connected to virgilius at all specifically because all that would be left is the promisedon't call people retarded when you can't even read
>>46656531>What ''original answer'' would you be looking for>Kanon is Beatriceyou said it yourself man
>>46658211Kanon and Shannon were originally meant to be two different people but then R07 changed it? Sorry but I don't buy that at all, that just sounds like baseless speculation. Reread legend of the golden witch (+ The other question arcs) and pay closer attention to their dialogue this time.
>>46658328>there are sprites for Natsutrice>still no sprites for Sayotricewtf alchemist, this is unfair
>>46656729You love Ratka!>>46657716You hate Ratka
>>46658890Thanks!
>>46658890>>46658919same retard
>>46657716malding ratkaschizo edit cope KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKK!!!!postin' the original
can you stop your with schizo unhinged shitty war, ratkiketokoschizo?
>>46657716this is the original and the best
Virgilius is just for Battler yaoi
>>46659313The one guy unironically on R07's wavelength.
I finally read Loopers and was overall not very impressed with it. There were good parts but there was practically no meat to it whatsoever and 80% of the characters didn't have reasons to exist. Thought they were in a decent place by the end but then the post credits scene made it squeaky clean. Felt like the closing act was only halfway through the story and thought it was already pretty short then before I realized how short it actually was.
>>46659499There's going to be a longer version of it (Loopers PLUS).I think Loopers' main problems all come from how short it, like how you have this entire cast introduced only for all their problems to be solved in a single scene outside of Hilda/Leona and the main duo. So, I'm interested to see what he does with more screentime.
>>46659097original and based>>46657716fake and cringe
>>46643677my wife is completely normal
i'm ready to eat the 5 rikafag replies for posting this
>>46659930>Kaz, I'm already a demon
>>46659989>>46659616holy fuck cord. no one cares anymore and fuck off. and it's only you obsessed with the outdated oldshit, psycho nunce. holy fuck you're fat
>>46659989Don't forget the hot tomboy girlfriend!
>>46660104stop larping as a mionfag, ratokonigger
>>46660033>you're fat
Shion smells like rosesMion smells like old man's cum
>>46658138Yeah the man from 19 years ago easily could have been Battler for real, theres the whole deal with Battler not being Asumu's son and with Natsuhi's pure or impurity and with Rudolf's personality, and also the "evidence" that Kyrie's reaction to this was basically nothing and never was elaborated onYoud have to change the story but yeah that subplot could have been about Natsuhi and Rudolf having an affair and then some funky shit goes on with the babyswitching and uhh yeahyoud have to get rid of or change the "fall" thing though. I think. I mean when I first read through it my main thought was that Battler was the child of a Natsuhi-Rudolf affair
>be Jessica>your legacy is to be known as a blonde bimboMuch like Shakespeare had "problem plays" with unaddressed suffering, so is Jessica R07's "problem character."
>>46660131i mean there is a bit of red in natsuhi's hair...
>>46660118Gtfo my thread, shitka
>>46660168Fatka physically can't, you will need to break the walls.
>>46660138Without official expansion, Jessica is either literally retarded, or her true intelligence was hidden in the catbox and never shown to us.
>>46660194>blondeYes, she's literally retarded
>>46660200Excuse me?
>>46643210>>two menOne actually.
>>46660138It's weird when you almost want a character to be a culprit because the truth of them being a disposable victim to a tranny is just too sad. At least being a culprit would grant Jeshika agency
>>46660222Yes?
>>46660194she does all that quick maths against kyrie in a magic fight, her smarts were shown so be nice
>>46660234>>46660233>satoko out of nowhere
>>46660251>short haired blonde rikadelete this
>>46659930If that is normal, then what would insane Sayo be like?
>>46660241I like the "smart Jessica" concept. It's way more interesting than her being a shit-for-brains. There's so many points to jump off of from her knowing Shannon = Kanon, and maybe even more.
>>46660267Very sexy. That's what she'd be like.
A character can not change much throughout a story but remain effective in their role and meaning. Jessica is just as humanized and highlights her emotions as much as everyone elseand has a nuanced mindset and inner conflict between what she wants and what she struggles with. She also ha ssome parallels with Sayo with her view on her ''double life'', and it shows the wieght of multiple perspectives in how she sees herself and how the world sees her. Also thematically relevant in her blindness towards Sayo's struggles, adding to the cycle of ignorance in the family. Jessica doesn't get enough credit for how nuanced she is, just like the majority of other Umineko characters. Really don't get where the whole ''Jessica is stupid'' thing came from because at worst, she's an average teenager. Also not to mention its heavily implied she knew about Kinzo's death and intentionally hid it because she knows her parents are in debt, you can tell from her dialogue in the question arcs, she isn't stupid.
Jessica was just pulling a prank on Yasu, seeing how many dates they could go on to LARP as a male. She never expected the murder mystery chuuni to come out though
>>46660284First paragraph, you're talking about the Jessica that Sayo perceived. The one we see for ~50% of the runtime. Sayo obviously never knew what Jessica was actually thinking, and some of "Beatrice's" comments suggest that she didn't think that highly of her intelligence at all. "Jessica is stupid" comes from the very obvious question of "how fucking good is Sayo's makeup really?" It's a dumb sticking point for most anime, but for the core plot twist of a 150 hour R07 VN, it's understandable that people would want some character introspection on why such a long and important relationship never had that issue come up.
Jessica in purgatory rejecting love as a concept once she learns the truth of Kanon-kun
>>46660320>jessica finds out about kanon>decides she wants a REAL man>teams up with erika to steal battler from beato
>>46660194>>46660234It really is the most hilarious thing how, despite being so so long, Umineko still had so many topics left unexplored and unanswered
>>46660251>>46660168>>46660118>>46660126>>46660265mentally ill trannytokofan
>>46660314I really think regarding Jessica and some other characters R07 originally planned to do a "they all deserve the fate they got" style backstory, which is also why the tragedy is regarded as inevitable.But then since he kept some secrets up to the end, and for the ending he was trying to portray everyone positively, those few cast members ended up with nothing.The manga goes back and retcons something new for Gohda while not touching on Jessica and others because it takes the excuse that being part of the family and doing nothing to help things makes her guilty by association, although I don't think that was the original intent.
why the fuck trannytokofag leeching to this series? so absurd!
>>46660338It does go to show how engaging said topics are since people are so curious for more
>>46660276Extremely based BatoSayo
>>46660267>what would insane Sayo be like?Actually carries out the murders
She did nothing wrong
>>46660511Thanks for the cute Rika friend
>>46660314Fair enough, I don't think it's far fetched for her to seemingly not suspect anything though, aside from the fact that that's just an anime thing. She's told that they're 2 seperate servants and everyone else around her doesn't suspect anything either, even if she did think that they might be a little *too* alike (which she might've at first), I don't see why she would entertain that thought much considering there's no reason for her to suddenly accuse Sayo of something that sounds ridiculous on paper. She'd risk looking like a lunatic to everyone else. Plus, Sayo is her childhood friend and I doubt she'd want to believe she's being led on by her as Kanon. Heck, you could even think her asking Sayo if Kanon has a girlfriend, that along with her being genuinely interested in Kanon, it was also her secretly testing Sayo to see if she'd confess something before she'd try and pursue a possibly fruitless love endeavor. And when Sayo assures her, she chooses to trust Sayo and discard the theory. You're right in that there's no way to know what she was truly thinking but I feel like she deserves the benefit of the doubt more often.
>>46661131Oh, I agree that Jessica would never directly confront Sayo about the Skannon question. Even to the very end. However, that raises the questions of1. Was Jessica retarded?2. If she wasn't, what did she really think of Sayo? X or Y? 3. If X or Y, what can we think of Jessica?It's a multi-branching path. If Jessica knew, but believed Shannon was a guy all along, was she just sitting on the sidelines and laughing at George-niisan?
You'd have to be brain damaged to think this cuteness personified is a man
>>46659989Nooooooo
>>46651074Ange as in toilet flAnge
a picture of after 7 hours of hard KeiMi sex
>>46661914
a picture of after 7 hours of hard SaTeppei sex
>>46661950>all that bloodThere was nothing left of Satoko's cunt
>>46661950Aunt Troonppei's axe wound was never the same after this one
>>46662151
>>46662212Diving in to catch sewer rikas
This mindbreaks the rat
>>46662306>Thanks for building this dilator for me Satoko, I can't thank you enough>Aunt Troonppei...!Wholesome
Would Troonppei and Beatrice share the same dilator?
>shitcord
What do we think of it?
>ratokofag still alive and breathing and with us
>>46662721Rika use your spray on this thing>>46662950 AAAAAAAHH!
>>46662923lmao a fever dream more like
true Rika
Ratka (forma de real life)
>>46663015Rikafag mindbroke you
>>46663032Ratkafag mindbroke you
Rika's perfection mindbroke the satowhore (he must respond to this every day)
>>46663015>>46663032>>46662306>>46662212>>46661950>>46660251>he went all out and made a thread on /v/ermin land
>>46663037you're vile
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/674285236/>already deadhaha dumbtoko whore fag. you're like the local shitposter on /v/ or something? ratokofanboy
>>46663285Hey look what I foundhttps://twitter.com/CanOfCrows07/status/1782582643613397172
>>46663313where are his brothers?
>>46663313>>46663015>>46663285>a map memeRikafags destroying
>>46663601>map memeque?
>>46663601Call me a zoophile, but would this cute rodent.
How powerful is this tard's rage?
>t. shitokofag right nowyou're not even a true fan lmao
>>46662721RATKA DON'T KILL YOURSELF!!!
New thread>>46664037>>46664037>>46664037
>>46662699Troonppei uses a custom made dilator, Beatrice would totally break if he tried it
>>46663968And risk getting bitten by her big rat tooth?
>>46664342you should be more worried about the various diseases you could get from a nasty little rodent
>>46664047>>46664058>>46664323>>46664342>>46664379>>46663984>>46663968mentally illness nonstop cord raid
Are they finally done?Modern dating sure is weird. Not as weird as it is for Sayo but weird nonetheless.
>>46664540You hate ratka
>>46664661This is literally Koizumi
>>46664720>>46664703stop being obese, nigger umitranny
>>46664734But I just love ratka? Why do you hate her?
>>46664743you shitoko umiredditor cant stop thinking about Rikafags btfoing you everyday
This guy has been steaming about Rika literally 24/7He posts hour to hour
>>46655704This scene is overblown as a Shkanon hint. The only reason Kanon doesn't say anything to Gohda is because Genji stops him by patting his shoulder- in other words, Genji doesn't ignore Kanon at all. You could still say it's a hint because Genji is in on it so he can still "see" Kanon or whatever, but it's not as clear cut as its made out to be.
>>46669944nee-san get off the fucking line i'm trying to order a pizza for kinzo
>>46672763UOOOOOOOOH WHERE IS MY HAWAIIAN I WANTED IT FIVE MINUTES AGOOOOOO
>>46672778I- I'm so sorry Kinzo-sama.................
>>46673029Would Kinzo be proud to have emo son like Kanon?
>>46673045he taught kanon how to shoot guns, it sounds like they got along well enough
