>>62918752
russian and china investement into the drone tech really shows how grounded and thoughtful they are instead of wasting trillions of dollars in paper projects they once again lead the world into an era of light and technological prowess just like the soviets did back in the age taking humanity on its next step toward an intergalactic utopic civilization

>>62918752
You already got laughed out of one thread you retarded chink, go stick a hand in a lathe

>>62918752
You already made this thread. >>62916938 Kill yourself already, you FAS nigger.

Fuck off twitter spammers.

If Musk thinks tiny quad drones can deliver bunker busters or intercept fighters at 40,000ft he just might be as stupid as OP.

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>>62918752
Is Musk a narcissist or something?

>>62918796
I think he's fallen for that trap where experts in one field think they're experts in general, and so go off into the world to spout their ridiculous, retarded opinions on matters they're completely ignorant in.

>>62918752
you already made this thread retarded shill

>>62918826
He's gotten much worse over the last few years, I have seen the exact same thing in the former Chevron CEO I had the displeasure of meeting a few times.
>be extremely wealthy / powerful
>attract hordes of yes men that suck your dick all day because they want you to give them jobs / contracts / funding
>forget they are trying to manipulate you and start to think you are as amazing as they all say
It was comedy gold watching 30, yes 30 guys follow John S. Watson around all day saying "great idea sir", "of course sir", "I'll make it happen sir".

Yes. It has larger operational ceiling levels.

>>62918752
nice spam chink. of course you're incapable of having an original thought.
>>62916938 #

>>62918752
Elon is right. All you need to do is program the drones to hang out on the ground, and once they sonically triangulate the location of an enemy jet they just fly up and position themselves to get sucked into the engine.

>>62918985
but has that happened? no. it hasn't. so stop shilling gooktech.

>>62918752
Don't we have some missiles that work as localized EMP's to knock out drone wireless connections or something?

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>>62919031
A fucking bofors gun would deal with this kind of "unstoppable drone swarm"
Seriously, when you can do the same with FPV drones then you can raise alarm bells, but this is just a retard filter

>>62918772
This was copypasted from a script.

>>62918752
Fly higher.

>>62919050
I mean a quick check brings up PEP weapons (Pulsed Energy Projectiles), but that program fell to the wayside back in 2003 when it got reported on and people figured it was mostly just a torture device.

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>>62918826
What exactly is this bag of mashed potatoes an expert in? Being born with a silver spoon up his ass?

>make platform where you make money for engagement of any kind
>people post retarded shit to get engagement
he monetized shitposting, NOTHING said on twitter can be taken at face value

>>62919074
Perhaps you're thinking of explosively pumped flux compression? It can power non-nuclear EMPs.

>swarms
that's not a swarm, the individuals have no knowledge of their surrounding participants. kind of like how no woman has knowledge of your existence.

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>>62919083
same body type

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How do you deliver a mass of low, slow and short ranged drones to their target?

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>>62919216
This

>>62918752
Is the new spam method twitter screencaps of Elon's twitter secretary posting dumb shit to keep constant attention on him? There's two threads of this shit.

>>62919083
whens he due?

>>62918772
can an alibaba quad copter provide sead/dead? no it cant

>>62918752
>Ezog Muskberg

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I aglee

>>62918826
He went from standard programmer to online maps (prior to google maps) to online banking to rockets to electric cars to battery to human spacecrafts to making internet from space to brain computer chip to social media to political campaign.

Is drone warfare really that off?

>>62919461
Who posted that? We know you're here.

>>62919216
What if we invent a technology that allows them to share their own surrounding data to each other. Like without wires and use some radio wave or something to communicate with each other.

Is that illegal?

>>62919461
I... don't know if that's a man or a woman.

>>62919480
What he actually did was program for Zip2 and try to program for Paypal before he was replaced and just became an investor.
Since then he has brought Tesla and had nothing to with product design until the Cyber Truck.
Founded SpaceX and hired Tom Mueller which was the smartest move he ever made.
Brought a boring machine, drilled one tunnel slower than industry standards and sold the machine.
Brought Twitter and reduced it's marketcap by 72%.

The only impressive non-programming thing he's ever been involved with was the Falcon 9 which is the best MLV by a mile and that was all Tom.
Now he's brought a president that sells pardons because he was facing prison time for how much he lied to Telsa investors about self driving.

>>62919547
Oh I forgot, he also claimed he was going to cross the US with Hyperloop moving at 1,220 km/h, built a 1.2km long test track, realized how stupid it was and sold it.

>>62918821
I don't know if he's a narcissist but he does seem like a 13 year old in the body of a 53 year old.

>>62919568
It's called being autistic.

>>62919547
So whatever he touches turns to gold and you think he's a fraud and you hate him for it?

>>62919575
That's not what that dumbfuck's post shows? What's with this faggy contrarianism that now Reddit hates Elon we need to bend over backwards to love him?

>>62919575
So the Boring Company, Hyperloop and Twitter are all "gold"?
As for being a fraud, yes.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-video-promoting-self-driving-was-staged-engineer-testifies-2023-01-17/

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>americans elected a billionaire in Chinese pockets (due to his dependency on their raw materials) for the memes
>now he's workign to demilitarize the US air force while China builds more fighter jets and carriers
kek

>>62919575
It was already gold genius

>>62919581
this nigger has never heard of fucking BVR or what it stands for

>>62919579
He helped Trump so he's /pol/s hero now, they can't live in a world where a guy they like was helped by a fuckwit.

>>62919579
Why do you love reddit so much?

>>62919581
>hurr I can still see a stealth plane therefore it's useless
This guy is a fucking retard

>>62918752
I want to hear his expert opinion on how to efficiently use this swarm in battle.

>>62919480
>he actually thinks the CEO is an expert in the products sold by the company
The CEO of the company I work at banned some designs because he thinks they don't work. We know they work so we just keep using them and he's too retarded to figure it out. The company is worth billions and if you're into watches you've heard his name.

>>62919575
The only reason he has any success is that you golems suck his dick despite him not delivering half the shit he promises.

>>62919581
Something tells me he's getting offers from Trump or whatever for some defence contracts and downplaying aircraft budgets would help him divert funds. Some shit like that.

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>>62919612
>well, er, some will go really high
>and they will see everything
>and they tell the others where to go
>it's not hard

>>62919618
Why dont you start your own company instead and prove your CEO wrong? Sounds like you're more competent than the CEO of your company.

Or is it that once you become CEO of a company, you have to be hated? Is that what your ideology tells you?

>>62919631
What do you think the goal of a CEO should be? Most believe the goal is to maximize shareholder return.
Losing 72% of the marketcap, giving yourself a bonus greater than all sales combined or lying to shareholders is generally considered being a bad CEO.

>>62919630
But mr Elon what's about bandwidth? All drones on photo are preprogrammed and do not have video feed capability
Also each drone requires it's own operator, do you really can gather few hundred operators in one place?
And what about payload mr Musk, we need to destroy underground command center, how many dinky aliexpress drones you need for that?

>>62918752
Okay I’m sure someone always said this but what the fuck are any of those supposed to actually do to an F35

>>62919631
The CEO only has a minuscule fraction of the skills required for his company to function. That's why he isn't the only one working there. He doesn't have a fucking clue how the products function apart from some PR bullshit he can parrot, he knows the market and tries to guide the company in the right direction.

Have you ever had a job in your life? You sure as fuck sound like you're special needs.

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>>62919660
>we'll use, ah, telsa self driving technology
>why have operators when you can automate, haha
>drones are amazing

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>>62919663
make the pilots buy candy crush i guess

>>62919667
>>62919643
Again, if you think you're better and believe CEOs are frauds, why dont you start your own company and beat t hem?

>>62919568
how many 13 year olds are the CEO of space and the CEO of cars at the same time?

>>62919678
>and believe CEOs are frauds
It's not a believe, it's proven in the post you ignored.
>>62919580

>>62919678
they aren't saying CEOs are frauds as a class of business leaders, they're clearly saying elon musk is a fraud. are you retarded, bud?

>>62919685
Then why don't you start your own company and compete against these so called frauds? Surely, if you truly believed it, then you would easily run circles around all the CEOs and become trillionaires overnight.

>>62919678
The guy I'm talking about inherited the company. Kek you really are completely retarded.

>>62918752
>retard with some knowledge in a very niche topic now thinks and behaves like he is an expert in everything
many such cases

>>62919083
Is this achievable natty?

>>62919687
Well, why dont you show the results by competing against him and becoming the richest man? If you have the competency and if you believe he's a fraud, then surely you must be better than him right?

>>62919692
So you can't compete against your so called incompetent CEO and are seething about him?

>>62919696
>*guk* *guk *guk*
no

>>62918752
Elon Musk is retarded.

>>62919699
Results matter. The world doesn't run on your personal insecurity. It runs on results. Results determine competency, not personal rants.

F-35s can fly in heavily contested airspaces and drop precision guided nuclear weapons. A drone swarm isn't even all weather and extremely vulnerable to EW and has a huge EM sig that nearly impossible to reduce.

Oh and the US has invested heavily into airborne swarming technology and it's really good for working WITH things like aircraft.

>>62919695
his routine:
5x2 hours goon to rocket porn
2x6 hours in Echo chamber on twitter
4x12 sink raises
0x1 not being a retard
3x10 shill shitcoins to clueless NPCs

>>62919690
There are 3 major hurdles:
I didn't goto school with the children of the president and didn't get to make those connections.
I didn't have daddies money to do unpaid work in a startup.
I have principals that won't let me lie to people in order to take their money (investors or customers).

I'm doing ok making small electronic controllers for a niche market but I'll never be able to buy a government.

>>62919660
>Also each drone requires it's own operator
absolutely nonsense

>>62919713
>you aren't competent
>you make excuses
>you have no results
Fixed.

>>62919704
>Results matter. The world doesn't run on your personal insecurity. It runs on results.
so you honestly believe every US president in History has greated good results?

>>62918752
>drone swarm
Basic bitch EW can make swarms worthless. There are also other counter measures like literally frying the drones too. Investing too much into drone warfare will result in negating other fields, which are important for their own reasons. The f-35 is still relevant and the top dog in terms of air superiority than cheap drones. People also seem to forget that the reason to why drones are popular is because they require less investment compared to fighters/bombers. Even if it’s trash, it’s still something to produce in quantity to substitute the lack of an Air Force. The goal for the future is not drones, but rather integrated combined arms warfare that has drones integrated to it. This absolute focus on the subject is stupid.

>>62919725
I believe most who get to the top are competent, not all, but most and not all the time but most of the time.

People at the top of the chain have to fight against thousands of the most extremists of people to get to where they are. Starting from the bottom up, you have a filter where people can't take risks, where people keep making excuses, where people have no ambition, where people have no connection, where people have no skills, etc. Then from those filters, you get a net of people who have gotten past those basic filters and then compete against each others to get the best outcome. Further they now have to compete against other incumbents who have won in their own time and have been sitting on the thrones for decades if not centuries through family connections. When the handful that rise from all these rise to the top, they are battle hardened and ultra competent people. Further from those pool, there are extreme breeds that not just compete, but become monopolies in their own industry either through power brokering or through superior product placement or superior management, or combinations of various of these factors. The presidents sits at those. Even the retarded Biden was an extremely ruthless politician for decades and rose to become a president through ruthless political maneuvering.

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They're literally having to use wires on drones in ukraine to counteract jamming.

Chinese drone companies regularly jam their competitors during drone shows to give them negative pr.

Besides its not like the us doesnt have drones already. If they wanted small chink sized ones im sure it wouldnt be too hard to make them.

>>62918821
He doesn't think a lot of his thoughts through. I think the ketamine therapy lowered his iq a little too.

Hes probably not used to feedback from employees and if he does get some good feedback he's very likely to repeat it from everyone to make it seem that he's the one that came up with it is the impression i get from him.

You just want a divine king who has the mandate of the heavens, the fact people in charge of your country are generally incompetent is too painful a truth to bare.

>>62919798
>if he does get some good feedback he's very likely to repeat it from everyone to make it seem that he's the one that came up with it
For sure, he spent years claiming he programmed PayPal until the guy that actually did it got sick of it and spoke out. Apparently he tried to, it was full of security vulnerabilities and another guy took over and had to start from scratch because Musks code was a mess.

>>62919804
>divine king dies
>son produced via incest takes over

>>62918851
That guy has nothing on Mike Worth.

>>62919631
>Why dont you start your own company instead and prove your CEO wrong?
This is a non-starter.
Typically when you are hired for a position where you do any sort of design work for a company, you sign a contract giving away the rights to all the designs to the company itself. Even if the CEO think the designs don't work, the fact that they were submitted means the company can stop him from taking the designs and manufacturing on his own.
Another issue is that you need to bootstrap the fucking thing aka get the money to invest. And you're not gonna have the money to manufacture everything in-house, which means you will have to subcontract it out, which means the Chinks will just fucking steal your design and sell it on AliExpress.
Which leads me to the final point - branding is all about perception. If you come out of nowhere and don't have any history or pedigree, why exactly would the consumer care about your watches? What do you do better than the established brands? And is it worth paying the sticker price for your brand instead of just getting the affordable AliExpress clone?

>>62919816
Sorry to hear it anon, hope you don't need to deal with his bullshit too often.

>>62919821
>its not possible
Everything in this world, everything you see around you were created by men. Those who make excuses have never contributed to this world.

>>62919821
You have to do whatever it takes. Make the rival watch ceo's wife fall in love with you and fuck up his marriage, start a fire at their hq or production facilities, buy off their top engineers and make them work for you. That's what capitalism is all about guelo.

>>62919831
>You can be a king if you work hard for our system, goy!

>>62918752
*unsheathes Otomatic*
*launches a barrage of HE shells at your drone swarm*
what now, droneboy?

>Chink/Russia shills are now shilling for CEOs

>>62919831
>everything you see around you were created by men
What I see around me has a purpose.
Proving that a design works is a petty goal. Of course that people said heavier-than-air flight was not possible, or that space travel was not possible, etc but there was novelty and a purpose behind doing those great achievements.
If the purpose is to prove the watch works, then crafting a single example and selling it on Ebay for 1 dollar achieves the purpose without any of the business aspect proving anything to the CEO.
If the purpose is to beat an established watch brand, then you invest in the aesthetics and marketing to secure sales while the mechanism inside is irrelevant and the rival CEO will never see it.
You're trying to portray the invention of a better mouse trap as some great human achievement when it's actually a waste of resources. It's actually just more efficient to wait for the CEO to fuck up and get the boot and present the design to the next CEO.

>>62919869
They are just Trumptards that will love Musk until Trump turns on Musk and then they'll claim they hated him all along.

>>62919869
If you imagine that CEOs are the new vassals to the mighty Han Emperor, suddenly a whole bunch of shit makes sense.

>>62919804
Many a country has been destroyed by retarded kings, which are worse because they can potentially stick around being retarded for decades.

>>62919083
I'm not a follower or hater of Musk, but I think I understand the Elon derangement syndrome. Musk is a smarter-than-average socially awkward guy that actually made it big so now everyone else like him that whines about the world not giving them the respect, attention, and wealth they are oh so obviously entitled to are seething at him because he succeeded in business and has enough kids to start his own race and guys like you no longer have an excuse as to why you haven't done anything with your lives. Not quite the same as TDS, but similar.

It's funny how so many "environmentally conscious" people hate the man who has done more to electrify transportation and decentralize power generation with home PV than almost anyone else and is doing it without coercion.

>>62919884
Imagine king Biden living another 20 years. Representative democracy isn't as good as direct democracy but it's a hell of a lot better than Monarchy.

>>62918752
>Does the F-35 have anything that could help it against drone swarms?

Why should the F-35 concern itself with drones doing pre-programmed choreography at a <2000m altitude?
Genuine question.

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>>62919899
>I'm not a follower of musk!
>Followed by all that bullshit insulting people who don't kiss his ass.

>>62919914
NOOOOO! FILTHY DOG, IT'S OBVIOUS THESE TINY CHINA DRONES CAN REACH THE ALTITUDE OF AN F-35!

>>62919899
Elon was boyed by the I-fucking-love-le-heckin-science crowd and now the guy "betrayed" them by joining the "intellectual dark web".
Elon Derangement Syndrome is far simpler - he was real life Tony Stark but now he isn't Big Chungus Wholesome 100 like reddit wanted him to be.

>>62919902
Fascism is an authoritarian system, and it is not tyrannical. It is virtually impossible for an authoritarian system to be tyrannical, at least long term. This is because without voting for politicians, and with the presence of a supreme leader, everyone knows who is accountable for what happens.

>>62919950
>It is virtually impossible for an authoritarian system to be tyrannical, at least long term
You might want to read up on a thousand years of European history.

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>>62919238
>How do you deliver a mass of low, slow and short ranged drones to their target?
Who says that a drone needs to be low mass, slow, and short ranged? Do you think that "drone" means quadrotor helicopter? That gained popularity with consumers because it offered a way to easily manage direction and provide a stable platform. It's not efficient, safe, and doesn't scale up well. NGAD and other manned planes now being made public are the last generation of planes that will be manned because their development started around 20 years ago before aerial robotics were anywhere near as good or cheap as they are now. The future will be cruise missiles that can be built with (mostly) off the shelf components, fixed or variable wing, and can be returned to base and recovered intact (preferably vertically but horizontal landings are likely a must for the bigger ones).

With fuel/radar/radio relay zeppelins a flight of aerial battle bots could stay active in a combat zone for days with minimal command input from a C&C in an office building back home and with zero chance of losing an American life if things go south.

>>62919899
>I'm not a follower (...)of Musk
>Elon derangement syndrome
No you totally are a full-blown muskrat cocksucker that will jump at his defense at any given opportunity, in the most docile, obsequious and slutty way, enough to make a gay porn actor gag.

>>62919946
>Intellectual dark web
Is that how /pol/troons see themselves, or are you being ironic? This is some level of sad I've never experienced off-hand on the internet before. Get some fucking help, and better role models.

>>62919967
You can make a drone with the capabilities of an F-35 but at that point you have a ~$80m drone and it might be worth risking a human to make sure you don't lose an airframe to EW.

>>62919950
Are you some stupid Chinkoid who doesn't know your own history further back than the Mao era?

>>62919946
Nah shit started going downhill for Musk's rep with the cave rescue bullshit back in 2018.
His dark MAGA shtick is a recent development so he can continue getting government gibs

>>62919962
>>62919983
Democracy is a system of tyranny, because there is no way for the people to petition grievances with the government. Because of this system of elections, the government can just blame whatever they do on the people who elected them. Further, democracy has no supreme leader so whenever anything goes wrong, blame can be passed around and no one is ever held responsible for anything.
In Adolf Hitler’s Germany, Hitler was ultimately responsible for everything that happened, good or bad, and people understood that. In America, the president can blame the courts, can blame the congress, can blame the electorate. Just so, courts and congress can blame each other and other bodies. If you wanted to protest in Hitler’s Germany, you would protest Hitler. In America, who do you protest? Who is responsible for anything that happens? I study this stuff, and I can’t point to even a dozen people, let alone a single person, who can be considered “ultimately responsible.” This means that the government can do basically whatever they want, then if you complain about the government generally (because you can’t complain about a person specifically, because the buck doesn’t stop anywhere), they tell you to vote.

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>>62919946
>he was real life Tony Stark

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>>62918752
Muskrat is a literal 5th columnist or what?
What's his endgame?

>>62920012
He wants defense contracts

>>62920005
You'd do well to avoid pretending to know about Hitler's Germany on a forum where there's a good chance people actually know about Hitler's Germany beyond your fanfiction.

>>62920012
Worse, he is a guy of slightly above average intelligence and unlimited money.

>>62919574
It's called being a dick. autism got nothing to do with it. (a diagnosed autists response.)

>>62920012
He literally wants to become a megacorp owner who has his fingers in every pie.

>>62920024
It's kind of interesting to have such a visible representation of the midwit meme.

>>62920017
Not an argument. In a fascist system, if a leader tried to start a very unpopular war, he would be protested and ultimately violently overthrown, usually with the military siding against the leader on the side of the mob. If you have an authoritarian system, and a clear supreme leader who acknowledges himself as the supreme leader, you simply cannot forcibly control the population, you cannot force them to do things against their will.
There are always going to be more of us that there are of them, and modern Western universal suffrage democracy solves for that problem by claiming, through this ridiculous Rube Goldberg system, that the masses of people are responsible for the actions of the government.

>>62919996
Started a doubt his genius with Hyperloop and the cave rescue convinced me he's as arrogant as he is ignorant.
Since then he brought Twitter claiming it would be a free speech platform and then instantly folded to Erdoğan demands to ban a heap of people. He continued to enforce more government censorship after buying it than ever happened before.
At this point I concluded he's actively evil and will say one thing claiming it's an important personal belief while doing everything in his power to undermine it.

>>62920035
>Not an argument.
I know. I'm calling you stupid for just being blatantly wrong. There's nothing to argue about.

>>62920045
That's what stupid people, e.g. you, do when they can't argue the point.

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>>62920012
He's an idiot with a huge ego and in the ear of a bigger idiot with an even bigger ego.

Also the PRC has him by the nuts. If they squeeze just a little, Tesla's stock tanks and so does most of his money.

>>62920035
So you are telling me, for example, North Koreans choose to starve, and spend 36% of their GDP on the military (world average 2%), and it's not a system of repression, propaganda, concentration camps, snitches and collective punishment that keeps them in line? They could overthrow Kim at any time!

>retardabsorber.jpg
>you can't post a duplicate file

>>62920005
>Democracy is a system of tyranny, because there is no way for the people to petition grievances with the government
That is why I explicitly said direct democracy is better here >>62919902

>Because of this system of elections, the government can just blame whatever they do on the people who elected them
No, they can only blame the voters for any direct public vote, eg. Brexit is the fault of the UK public.

>>62920060
>china cracks down
>the next day Elon announces selfsuck mode in all teslas arriving via OTA
>stock pumps 14.88%

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>>62920054
>no u

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>>62919981
I'm not being ironic, it was the shtick that the Weinsteins came up with to call the "left the left" and centrist-to-conservative anti-woke podcasters.

>>62920074
Most of his cars are made in Shanghai. That's how he's staying afloat and that's why he wants to kill the EV tax credits.

>>62920005
There's always someone the supreme leader can blame for why utopia is still two weeks away, the only difference is that you'll get shot for admitting you don't believe it.

>>62920081
Tesla's stock isnt based on reality

>>62919996
>shit started going downhill for Musk's rep with the cave rescue bullshit back in 2018
It was going downhill but the Derrangement Syndrome hadn't set in yet.
He always had haters. Fans chalked it up to the guy being socially inept. Now people are putting bumper stickers on Teslas saying "we bought it before we found out Elon is an asshole", this was the last straw that turned even the fans.

>>62920071
A supreme leader cannot be corrupt, because he is not beholden to special interests, as his legacy and his power are tied to the popular will of the people. In American democracy, politicians, from congressmen to the president, look at their time in government as a money-making opportunity, not a place to build a legacy.

>>62920087
Look, I'm not trying to say the stock market is anything but a bunch of rich gambling addicts making bets on horses, but you still have to go through a dog and pony show so people are comfortable buying your stocks.

>>62920090
>Derangement syndrome
Why do you keep using that any time people don't like that he's making increasingly stupid and irresponsible statements?

>>62920086
Russia and China have nowhere even remotely close to the level of censorship America has, and this fact is not altered by the fact that Russia and China use laws to enforce their censorship. The US system of enforcing censorship through private companies working with the government, through deplatforming, debanking, and civil lawsuits, is much more efficient than laws against censorship, and this system allows for much more widespread censorship.

>>62920087
Tesla's stock was based on the promise of full self driving leading to civilian logistics being taken over by automated trucks and vans.
Turns out he was lying his ass off about it's capability and now lots of major players are stuck holding the bag, they are slowly getting out but they can't get out fast without crashing the stock.

>>62920092
>A supreme leader cannot be corrupt
Sure they can, I can care more about myself, my family and my friends than the surfs of my nation.

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>>62920090
Is it truly derangement syndrome when he's given plenty of reasons for people to think he's a weird asshole? Or are we just supposed to keep our mouths shut and buy his pod?

Is China and Russia paying him to say this shit or is he that genuinely that retarded?

The U.S. is doing the best work on drone swarms but I think they are a dead end. Too susceptible to EW and microwave weapons. It’s not just being blinded by EW or fried by big microwave sets, it’s also being fried by small microwave sets that are put on a rocket and shot into the swarm. Not even talking about kinetic-kill systems from traditional AD platforms. Even Russia’s junky EW platforms with little support stop the huge majority of small drones which is why fiber-optic drones are gaining prominence. The comms links a swarm needs to talk with itself are susceptible of course, and even if those can be hardened sufficiently their delicate electronics will get fried by microwaves. It’s joever before it began.

>>62920096
their censorship is far worse, they just also arrest people who complain about the censorship so you hear about it less

>>62920062
North Korean defectors admit as much. We don't have access to North Korean opinion polls, but we can look at Russia and China. The reason Putin and Xi are more popular than Biden or Trump is because they are beholden to the will of the people. Both leaders have roughly 10-15% of the country which doesn’t approve of them, and that is the percentage of a population that is not going to agree with any government. You are always going to have this minority that has some kind of grievance, simply because it is impossible to keep everyone happy, and some people will just blame the government for personal problems. In America, people have legitimate grievances, which are never addressed.

>>62920094
Because its the same people using it to shitpost/as an easy way to handwave anyone not liking their idol.

>>62920096
Oh for fuck's sake. This is just getting silly.

>>62920106
Is this a new trolling tactic, where you attempt to derail threads by posting retarded shit?

>>62919679
SpaceX probably wouldn't succeed without him. Not because he's a good engineer or anything like that God no, but because obscure and incredibly risky project like that requires quite a stubborn retard to push through, and every other CEO is just a conformist shareholder pleaser. He did push it to the point where US government basically just picked it up and nothing he could do would make it fail from that point on. It's basically just NASA 2.0 today, pentagon decides more than Musk does.
Tesla however is a fucking disaster that still holds up on a pure hype that Musk shenanigans generate. He's absolutely uncapable to turn it into robust manufacturer even despite favorable government subsidies. His techbro brainrot just doesn't allow him to make anything but a shitty tech company out of it. Literally anyone else produces better EVs for cheaper price. But he can't just stick to good cars, he HAS to create a hundred fancy projects instead. He's a fucking startuper given unlimited funds, not a competent manager.

>>62920098
Its derangement. There's no real criticism. This thread is proof. People claim to hate the mass produced drone swarm technology because Musk said its the future. You have to really examine what these people are saying. Cause in no rational mind is what Musk saying anything controversial. But in the mind of an irrational person, they cannot accept this simple truth. Just as they cannot accept that cutting off their dicks dont make them into a woman.

>>62918752
>Some idiots
My fucking white nigger in christ, you are best friends with the soon-to-be President of the United States

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>>62919996
>Nah shit started going downhill for Musk's rep with the cave rescue bullshit back in 2018.
>"Use my heccin super special submarine to rescue the kids from the flooded cave!"
>"It literally won't fit"
>"OH MY GOD YOU'RE ALL PEDOS!"
Yeah. It's weird so many people have trouble grasping Musk is a primma donna retard.

>>62920113
>SpaceX succeeded because he's a retard and lucky
Retard

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>>62920096
>Russia and China have nowhere even remotely close to the level of censorship America has

>>62920094
When you make an entire livestream practically watching paint dry and claiming the rocket is about to explode every 30 seconds, you suffer from derangement syndrome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUceQzCh-Q
Notice how people who suffered from Trump Derangement Syndrome also did the same shit by claiming he was gonna start a war with North Korea rather than have accurate critiques of his admin.
Don't think, just react to the latest shlock.

>>62920101
I think swarms have a place in the drone order of battle in the near future.
>first wave is EW recon drones
>these look for radars and jammers
>second wave is the anti-radiation drones homing on emitters within a geobox (INS can counter GPS jamming)
>3rd wave EFP armed killers that engage armor and other high value targets outside of APS range
>4th wave is the swarms turning mobiks to mush

>>62920115
Nobody hates drone technology, but the idea that the F-35s is obsolete because of these mickey mouse swarm drones, when even assuming these are viable, they would occupy a different space in a defense apparatus. Can these drones deliver a bunker buster bomb deep into enemy territory?

That's without getting into other criticism of Elon Musk like the Hyperloop being a scam to derail High Speed Rail.

Elon Musk is retarded, and you are a retarded fanboy nigger.

>>62920103
The government is the only censor in Russia and China. The number of topics censored is relatively minor. Everyone has clarity over what they can and can't say. All instances of censorship can be traced to stability or security.
In democracies, private companies are the censors. The system is much more arbitrary. Censorship is far more widespread.

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>>62920115
>There's no real criticism.
>brings up trannies outta nowhere

>>62920115
The spreytard-tier whinging about the F-35 later in the thread was annoying

>>62920137
>it's censorship because a third party won't enable my shitposting

>>62920099
Musk has his balls in China's vise.

>>62920115
>Trannies outta nowhere
Why can you /pol/fags not go a single thread without bring them up.

>>62920137
>The government is the only censor in Russia and China
And the government are the only organization with the power to arrest, imprison and kill people.
This isn't a great defence.

>>62920096
actual brain rotten mongoloid lmao
I can call the president a faggot and a cock smoking homosexual, but if I were a russian who called Putin that, I'm getting Gulag'd.

>>62920098
See >>62920125
Thunderf00t embarassing himself on camera has nothing to do with Elon being a weird asshole or the reasons people think he is one.
Thunderf00t could have easily done a video on everything wrong with Elon and end by congratulating the test objectives being achieved with the Starship. But no. He has to film himself preying on a man's downfall and ranting like a madman.
I'm specifically picking Thunderf00t because he did the videos criticizing the Hyperloop. He could easily take the Ws home and stop there. But he will put himself through a humiliation ritual over Musk. This is obsession. It's derangement. This is sadder than the 2016 TYT election stream. Man's visibly losing his sanity over Elon.

>>62920134
>nobody hates drone technology
>mickey mouse swarm drones, when even assuming these are viable
We have a war being fought with drones right now. And thats at an infant stage. The war over terrorism was fought a decade earlier with drones. The entire US military force, China defense force is ramping up drone usage and drone warfare. Yet you're claiming drones are unproven and unviable. LMAO

You're suffering from Musk Derangement Syndrome.

>>62920173
>this critic made a fool of himself therefore all criticism of Elon Musk is derangement syndrome
kys

>>62920173
>I'm specifically picking Thunderf00t because
Because you are strawmanning

>>62920099
He's South African, and the perfect symbol of them at that: a retarded third worlder who kicks and screams as the western world tries and fails over and over to prop them up and give them a hand. The difference is Musk is too rich to fail without aid from western governments.

>>62920173
Are we supposed to know who some meaningless youtubefaggot is.

The most you've achieved is saying there's two pathetic people in the world instead of just one.

>>62920183
There's not a single valid criticism for what Musk said about drones. You're clearly deranged. A topic about drone warfare of the future is where deranged people seethe about Musk 24/7.

>>62919581
I do think stealth is a meme in any peer conflict with things like passive radar and ER imaging. Probably even Russia could shoot down F-35

>>62920168
Go to Dvach. Plenty of people calling Putin that.
Posturing in containment zones is meaningless.

>>62920173
Thunderf00t is the only real example I have seen of "Musk Derangement Syndrome", he does just hate everything he does no matter what.
I love SpaceX, I'm not sure Starship will work but the Falcon 9 is still a generational leap in launch vehicles.

I hate Musk as a person for a long list of reasons and this is the biggest by far.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/29/tech/elon-musk-twitter-government-takedown/index.html

>>62920197
>>62920179
Jesus christ get a thesaurus brat.

>>62920164
See >>62920096

>>62920179
>Yet you're claiming drones are unproven and unviable.
I'm not claiming ALL DRONES are unproven and unviable, you are strawmanning, transparently and sloppily.
You can't even address the main point. You don't even try. Pathetic retard.

Show me how the F-35 is obsolete, which is Elon Musk's claim and the reason we are bashing him ITT.
China just copied the design, dumbshit.

>>62919581
You now realize the entire US supply chain system is dependent on China. From chips in computers to magnets in missiles. The entire Apple industry is created by Chinese factories. And the entire US gov and military uses those.

>>62920197
That particular shitpost musk made is retarded. Small quadcopter drones have no role overlap with fighter jets and pose no threat to fighter jets.

>>62920217
>China is the only place in the world with factories

>>62920197
>There's not a single valid criticism for what Musk said about drones.
It's not about the drones, dumbshit retard, keep trying to deflect. Tell me how the F-35 is obsolete and how these swarm drones (the ones in the video) could fill the same role.

>>62920211
>Show me
What happens when drone piloted jets show up that are produced at 1/100th the cost and dont have the human requirements and limitations? These are already in the product lineup for many of the aerospace industry. You simply dont remember, dont know, or are not willing to think about it because your Musk Derangement Syndrome overrides your sense of reason. You're emotional.

>>62920228
Because Elon said so. Disagreeing with Elon means you have derangement syndrome.

>>62920210
The difference is sites with free speech can and do exist in the west, look up a list of imageboards and you'll find plenty run by free speech absolutists. I wish I could like them here but sadly 4chan is no longer one that allows complete freedom.

>>62920237
This board is run by reddit tranny mods and jannies. So what do you expect lmao.

>Musk Derangement Syndrome
This is turning from a piece of regular bait fuel into a religious mantra.

>>62920243
I'm a sad oldfag that remembers when what was allowed on 4chan extended beyond the limits of the law.
There was a place like old 4chan for awhile before it was destroyed by a greedy pig farmer and Qanon retards.

>>62920252
No one cares about whats allowed beyond the limits of the law. People do care whats about within the law. And censoring/banning people for disobeying the reddit marching orders about the narrative.

>>62920235
>What happens when drone piloted jets show up that are produced at 1/100th the cost and dont have the human requirements and limitations? These are already in the product lineup for many of the aerospace industry.
Now you can look up the word "lineup" in a dictionary, try to understand how the process of prototyping, testing and military procurement works, and maybe you'll get to the breakthrough realization of why Elon Musk is retarded.

By the way, these unmanned jets look very different from the ones on the video. Because they fill different roles. You are so close to getting it.

>>62920237
There are plenty of Russian sites that allow everything. The internet is impossible to censor.
What would happen if every post here could be tied to our actual identities by our employers?

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>>62918772
>people replied to this

>>62920035
Youn are quibbling. Fascism well apples to both the US and UK. In fact, fascism is best grasped for its roots in revival of pagan Germanic parading. Government is for the purpose of forcing the givwerned masses to support the endless wars and raids that enrich the leadership class. That class is a mix of actual soldiers with the super wealthy who create. bureaucracy to administer things. Everything else is fake.

The basic reason the WASP fascists, who are also Zionists, felt compelled to too to Nazi Germany what they did is twofold: the Nazis were not philo-Semitic, and once conquered the Germans would then serve the Anglo-Zionists fascists. WWW2 was Anglo-Zionist fascists determined to conquer the entire globe determined to destroy anti-Semitic Continental Germanic fascism that only want to destroy Saovs and make them slaves after taking their land.

The basic fascism of WASP imperial culture also can be evidenced easily by knowing the length and depth of UK and US creation and management of actual Ukrainian fascists. The WASP world was doing that at the very same time it was fighting Nazi Germany.

WASP Empire is Anglo-Zionist Empire is globalist fascism.

>>62920263
They would probably realize they made a very poor decision hiring your dumbass

>>62920262
He runs a trillion dollar car factories. A quarter trillion dollar rocket factory. You dont understand what Musk is saying because you're unfathomably retarded and suffering from derangement syndrome. Musk isn't speaking from a random derangement driven rant like you are. He is in the defense industry. He's in the military contractor. He's in factory production. He's in mass production. He's in the center of the China/US trade war. And he has contacts in Pentagon/Whitehouse and all many of the defense contractors, but legacy and new.

>>62920263
That is a work culture issue not a government censorship issue.
It's easy to hit my posts from an employer, it's a bit harder to hide them from the NSA, FSB or MSS.

>>62920276
This is some serious mental illness on display.

>>62920292
So what you're saying is that he's a genius and everything he says is gold?

>>62920292
>literal appeal to authority
He's an investor who inherited his fortune and made a rep as le heckin science man based on the work of other people.

Still waiting for your explanation on how the F-35 is obsolete and how drone swarms could replace it.

>>62919899
>guys like you no longer have an excuse
He was born into upper class western household, I was born into Eastern European commieblock, here's my excuse.

>>62920307
Nah, its just that his statement comes from experience/industry that he's part of. You're just deranged and suffering from a form of acute seething

>>62920284
In other words, their censorship is effective. I'm forced to adopt a certain ideal that goes far beyond preserving national interests.
>>62920294
I started this conversation saying direct government censorship is moderate and limited to specific security interests compared to private companies working with the government to enforce a far more arbitrary set of interests.

>>62920296
Trump has earned several million dollars in the electoral process, selling junk and with the website; and he did it with the government against him. How many millions could he earn if he were the government?

>>62920324
I agree corporate censorship is bad but it's no where near as bad as being censored by the people that can arrest you.

>>62920337
Fascism always makes the super wealthy within the system happy. German industrialists multi-millionaires loved it.

>>62920340
Its bad when they're working with government to censor it. The same objective is reached. 4chan was acting as the arm of reddit and Biden admin because jannies and mods were compromised and taking orders from reddit crowd.

>>62920324
>I started this conversation by saying something half-reasonable and then went off the deep end saying dictatorships cannot be corrupt because they represent the will of the people and they only censor minor teensy bit stuff
This isn't a good defense.

>>62920324
In other words, you're fucking retarded.

>>62920323
He's in the defense sector?

>>62920344
That’s why Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart are poison to the public.

Two middle aged Jewish lesbians running your media.

>>62920344
>Literally all acting in concert as a single conspiracy against you
Why are you fags all the same.

>>62920343
Fascism is corporatism plus state power, ergo the USA has been fascist since, say, the First Civil War. It is also a kakistocracy deriving from oligarch capitalist rule through myriad political servants of the most loathsome types. And a slave state deriving from the TOTAL control of politics by the Jewintern, once again being signalled by the slaves’ gruesome groveling to the Judenreich, its Fuhrer, Bibi the Child Slayer, and its Holy Genocides.

So /k/ do you think Elon will last one full year in the Trump administration? I bet he’ll last six months before Trump fires him

>>62920358
the communists hated uncensored comedians too, you know

>>62920358
Only braindead people watch them. They offload their brain to the talking heads and believe what they say.

>>62920358
There's more to American media than those two people.

>>62920198
you don't understand the use of low observability aircraft, they allow an aircraft to get close enough to launch an attack against air defenses, that's all they need to do, meme IR detection and passive radars don't change this equation

>>62920344
>4chan was acting as the arm of reddit and Biden admin because jannies and mods were compromised and taking orders from reddit crowd
You are a fucking idiot that doesn't understand how the world works and you clearly haven't been here long enough to see the change in realtime.
>m00t makes 4chin
>does it for free for years
>wants to cash out my selling it
>tells mods and jannies to clean it up
>more controversial topics that will hurt the sale price are banned
>gook m00t buys
>wants to make money
>tells mods and jannies to clean it up
>more topics are banned to make 4chin more appealing to advertisers

The root cause it the profit motive, this is true of all corporate censorship, the big conspiracy is companies want to make money.

>>62920367
He's not even in a real position. It's just an advisory body with an epic meme for the win name.

Let's not forget the last time they broke up
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/musk-iger-to-quit-trump-advisory-councils-after-paris-accord-decision-idUSKBN18S6FA/

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This thread is just /pol/ spilling over directly in its most pure and unfiltered.

>>62920005
>Democracy is a system of tyranny, because there is no way for the people to petition grievances with the government.
Are you sure you're not just an idiot, completely unaware of the multitude of systems in place for citizens to directly affect change on both a state and federal level?

>>62920005
The original American system, as designed by the Constitution, was pure genius. Only land-owning men could vote, which meant that those elected were obligated to act in ways beneficial to the nation. The landowners had a true stake in the nation’s success and were obligated to care for their families. The poor were motivated to work hard to buy land and enter the system. Even the old literacy tests or poll taxes were better than the craziness we have now, which allows the plutocrats to get so rich, they lose their minds. Not sure how long a system that worships sodomy and genital mutilation can last, but history tells us not too long.

>>62920384
well yeah, he'd have to give up his business ventures if he wants to get a paycheck

>>62920392
The pendulum swung. So we'll see how much we can correct this corrupted system.

>>62920367
I Trump actually wants to try Jan 6th again he'll keep Musk on side for Twitter exposure, if he's happy to do 4 years and stand down he'll tell Musk to fuck off within 2 years.

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>>62920235
>What happens when drone piloted jets show up that are produced at 1/100th the cost
You're retarded. Byraktars are budget reaper drones but even they cost 2-5 million dollars each. Maybe that's dozens times cheaper than an 80-100 million F-35/F-15EX, but it's far more limited because it's a dinky little turbo prop that's only viable in a limited/situational strike or recon role. High performance unmanned combat jets certainly are not out of the question in the future (and it's probably what we're heading for), but you're certainly not building them at a million fucking dollars a pop.

People look at the lowest end of budget Ali Baba FPV's, and then decide that everything with the word "drone" is now only a couple hundred bucks.

>>62920382
>its not reddit its just reddit advertisers that we worship
People are people, people can be influenced to buy whatever product they want as long as they are promoted. Appeasing the WEF advertisers via censoring of topics to create a reddit clone echo chamber didnt work and will never work.

>>62920414
How many times can you use reddit in a single post

>>62920412
Swarm drones and swarm drone carriers are the future. Be it on land, air, or sea. Swarm drone carriers that can act as command and control/refuel if gas powered/recharge if battery powered. And act autonomously if needed.

>>62920414
You keep yammering about reddit, as an oldfag I know why most oldfags hate reddit.
Do you know?

>>62920392
In a democracy, we wouldn’t have indirect presidential elections. The Constitution doesn’t provide for direct elections because it was written by a handful of wealthy landowners who were terrified of majority rule. At the very least, we would have the power of immediate recall in a democracy…but we don’t. If it becomes clear that an elected official is working against our best interests, we’re powerless to stop him. That’s profoundly undemocratic, despite the platitudes our rulers are constantly reciting to us via their lapdog media.

We don’t live in a democracy. That’s the whole point of the Constitution: it was designed to keep the people from ever having any real power. If we want to live in a democracy, we’re gonna have to start from scratch.

>>62919899
>I don't like Musk or like him
>But here is a reason why I like him and why people are mean poopy stupid heads for hating him

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>>62920096
>918752 (OP)
nihao gwailo. your social credit score has been raised by 50 cents worth of point

>>62920392
Making it so only land owners can vote just encourages land owners to make owning land more difficult, and thus drive up the price of land. It's an abysmal measure for voting competence and just encourages corruption.

>>62920412
also, musk himself has been in the process of making a manned car turn into an automated car, so what the fuck is he even talking about. it's hypocrisy

>>62920430
I see reddit
I call reddit
I see censorship
I call censorship

I dont care what echo chamber consensus has to say.

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>>62920101
If you have thousands of cruise missiles and guided bombs and artillery and stuff that's all datalinked, does that count as a drone swarm?

>>62920438
How would they do that? In 18th-century America, no less.

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>>62920443
So you have no idea why reddit was so hated? I know the main reason these days is pic related.

>>62920452
Yes. Especially if each of these can have sensors that can relay each other's sensor data to form a map for others to identify targets and optimize targeting. Same with 1,000 drone swarms that can relay sensor data to each other to create a dense real time targeting solutions

>>62920432
There’s nothing that America hates more that democracy. Nothing. America overthrew Mossadeq to end Iran’s secular democracy, installed Pinochet to end Chillean democracy, imposed/imposes the most intense sanctions on Cuba for nearly the whole of the last 100 years because Cuba overthrew their autocratic dictatorship and established the dictatorship of the proletariat and has provided medical assistance all over the world and has a population that lives longer than Americans, despite those brutal American sanctions on its people.

>>62920465
No one cares about consensus argument. Why dont you get that through your thick skull of yours.

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>>62918752
>its another muskrat xitter screencap thread

>>62920392
Originally, the Romans were a martial people who disdained femininity and weakness. The punishment for sodomy in Rome was death and it was a great insult to accuse someone of engaging in such acts. Rome began to crumble during its decadent period, violent civil wars, end of the republic, different generals seizing the purple, the legions selling the crown to the highest bidder. When Rome adopted Christianity as the official state religion it strengthened the empire enough to allow the Eastern empire to survive another 1,000 years. Decadence in the West led to its fall much sooner.

>>62920483
looks like we got another one with Musk Derangement Syndrome!

>>62920482
Because with the arguments you have made you would likely agree if you rubbed those neurons together and thought about what fundamental differences there are between imgaeboards and reddit.
But lets ignore that, what reason do you personally have to hate reddit?

Musk is pure Dunning-Kruger. This has happened a lot in the last 4 or so years. I blame COVID. A weapons related example would be the Ukraine War. How you ask? Well people are talking about how NATO only has like 1,000 main battle tanks and 'that would last two months in Ukraine'. Or 'they only have a few hundred artillery pieces'. Or 'they don't have any ammo'. Because they've seen the war in Ukraine devolve down to artillery with occasional tanks on their own and drones killing them that means that if NATO got involved in a war versus Russia that this is what would happen. That NATO would line up tanks on the border of Poland and then attack + move towards Moscow. That it would be tanks and artillery. Instead of what WOULD happen. Which would be weeks if not months, if not half a year or more of missiles and air sorties blowing shit up. Once that's done (and only when that is done) would NATO start sending anything resembling an armoured vehicle into combat, let alone infantry.

But because Russia has somehow devolved into this and Ukraine was forced to go into this means that that is what the West would do.

Musk is doing that. He is seeing drones used en masse in Ukraine and thinks that drones = solution to everything.

>>62920123
You’re projecting Western ideas of governance onto the Chinese, who, after three thousand plus years of organised social existence have entirely different ideas regarding how society should be constructed. That is why the godawful garbage about China not ‘Westernising’ and becoming a ‘liberal democracy’ because that is the only acceptable form of government is such stupid, arrogant, ignorant, racist garbage.

>>62920497
-t Armchair reddit

>>62920462
I mean in an long term context, imagine boomers now being able to horde their property and make young people pay millions for a shed just to be able to vote.

>>62920506
People die of old age.

>>62920500
>is such stupid, arrogant, ignorant, racist garbage.
>racist
You're using the wrong script tourist

>>62920501
What have you seen from the West in the last 30 years that suggests that a NATO force would be lining up formations of armoured vehicles and firing lines of artillery and marching into the teeth of the enemy instead of spending months bombing shit with missiles and aircraft?

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>>62920500
Mate you keep coming to 4chan to cry about racism, email your handler and let them know you need new material.

>>62920514
$80,000 toilet bowl
$20,000 screw bolt

>>62918752
Is Elon just mentally disabled at this point?

>>62920523
What does that have to do with how NATO forces would launch a military operation?

>>62920523
Right, we should just put wood screws from Menards on our aircraft

>>62919678
How would I, at a different company, prove that I am a better CEO than the current CEO of an existing company?
No two companies have circumstances that are truly alike, your smarmy reply betrays a deep misunderstanding of what the work of a CEO is and why it is difficult. It's because all your prior experience is fundamentally worthless and the owning class is slowly waking up to the fact that people with no technical knowledge cannot lead a company that relies on technical knowledge. Give it another decade or two and the business graduate CEO class will be gone.

>>62920524
He's an attention whore. Simple as.

>>62920510
that hasnt stopped them from essentially doing that so far.

>>62919758
>I believe most who get to the top are competent
it is beautiful to live in a world that is so kind and just.

>>62920540
>I dont know how
Thats why you aren't CEO material. Incompetency dont land you a job, incompetency dont land you to become the richest person in history, incompetency dont land you to become the CEO of half a dozen or so different companies that are shaping the world.

>>62920548
>ESL tier english
I wonder who'd behind this post?

Reminder that Elon either pays someone to make him look like the best Diablo 4 player in the world, or he does so little actual work he's able to invest that much time into playing Diablo 4, and that either option makes him deeply pathetic.

>>62920540
I'm hoping the Boeing situation leads to more internal promotion, of my last 5 companies none have promoted anyone to management despite several good options, they keep hiring business grads externally.
I don't bus grads are useless but if you are running an electrical company that uses electricians to do electrical work things go smother if management at least has some electricians.

>>62920548
You don't understand what I am saying, because you don't know what a CEO does.
You just like the title, but don't care for the work.

>>62920556
*I don't think biz grads

>>62920533
Thats why I say you're arm chair. You dont know history, let alone NATO history. All wars between equal powers lasts years and become war of attrition. Even inequal wars become war of attrition.

>>62920506
Empty land isn't exactly hard to come by. You're making an argument in favor of voting rights being attached to land. The US is decentralized.

>>62920566
Re-read what I said. You honestly think that NATO will line up armoured vehicles and attack with artillery barrages as their opening move. I mean i don't know how many times I can rewrite it. So I assume you're being retarded simply for the sake of being retarded.

>>62920559
I get you, just you just dont understand the point because you keep making excuses. I'm just saying it simple. CEOs cannot make excuses. The buck stops at their feet. If you're making excuses, you're not CEO material.

>>62920566
da comrade 1000 day 3 day special needs military operation is normal

>>62920566
The first half and the second half of your post have nothing to do with each other.

You are saying to the guy all wars are wars of attrition, by your own argument the history you claim for NATO is entirely meaningless since it would just lead to the same result anyway.

>>62920588
>CEOs cannot make excuses
Oh, you have no idea how many excuses a CEO can make, anon. In fact, making excuses is a significant portion of their job.

>>62920588
>I'm just saying it simple. CEOs cannot make excuses.
> If you're making excuses, you're not CEO material.
You dumb cunt.

>>62920581
It will be once it becomes tied to voting and people will buy every speck of it to scalp it to people.

>>62920598
>>62920600
Yeah, you're looking at Boeing. The failure of a company. When CEOs make excuses, when they dont perform, the company goes to shit.

Your style of CEO is one that leads to bankruptcy and failure.

>>62920598
Yep, the job is
>claim you didn't know the thing you ordered was happening
>blame someone else for it
And very rarely
>take full responsibility, stand down and get a multi-million dollar payout

>>62920566
Attrition in this context is about who runs out of hardware first. It's about control over resources, control over labor, control over infrastructure.
When both sides have endless resources and labor, wars become all about infrastructure. That's what war's been about for the last century.

>>62920566
So if all wars end in wars of attrition... Why isn't China or India sweeping their neighbours aside? They have more people, large nations, strong economies. Seems... Odd.

Regardless, you're ignoring the key aspect of that other guys point. NATO would not start an operation like Russia did.

>>62920608
>The failure of a company
You really think the US government is going to let their only large plane manufacturer die just because they were completely incompetent?
They'll either get a direct bailout with tax dollars or an indirect bailout in the form of reduced taxes, an interest free load or a large government order.

>>62920606
And what happens when someone decides to sell some of the vast tracts of useless land they hold?

>>62920626
Other companies can fill the shoe if necessary. Sell assets to others and buy it out. Etc.

>>62920500
"Authoritarian shithole with chinese characteristics" is still an authoritarian shithole. Cope.

>>62920608
Trump is a notable example with multiple failures and bankruptcy under his belt.

>>62920615
India has shit infrastructure. Chinese infrastructure has only gotten good in the last decade or so. China is coming for you.

>>62920386
>fascists
>judeomasonic masters
When you understand the philosophical origins of Marxist socialism this makes perfect sense. Though Marx had some Jewish ancestry he hated Jewish people and believed that they, and fraternal orders like the Masons, were hoarding money and keeping him down. He was a life-long NEET that believed he deserved to be a philosopher king and was eternally bitter that everyone kept telling him to stop whining and get a job and take care of his wife and kids. Fun fact: he killed 4 of his known kids through neglect and abuse and either had an affair with or raped his maid and spawned at least one more with her. Marx was the CoachRedPill of his day.

>>62920608
But arguably the CEO of Boeing did everything right. He did not make any excuses and yet, the company still is doing miserably.
How can this be?

>>62920632
But this takes time, it is not exactly a winning strategy to build a new venture for something you need right now. I guess this is why you're not much of a CEO yourself, huh?

>>62920639
china isn't maintaining any of it kek so now the rust is setting in

>>62920633
Remember --- Republican Party US Senator Mitch McConnell is married to a Han Chinese woman with very clear and very shady ties to the CHINESE COMMUNIST PARTY.

The Bushes and Clintons and Joe Biden and Mitch McConnell and all the other politician whore globalizer trash in Swamp City DC have been colluding with the Chinese Communist Party to clam rake loot out of cheap labor in China.

Globalization and financialization are scams that benefit the politician globalizers and the plutocrat globalizers and all the other greedy globalizer filth out there.

Mitch McConnell is a nasty, treasonous 82 year old rat politician whore who serves the interests of the evil, demonic JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire.

Mitch McConnell has pushed for sovereignty-sapping, job-killing free trade deal scams.

Mitch McConnell pushes mass legal immigration, mass illegal immigration, REFUGEE OVERLOAD, ASYLUM SEEKER INUNDATION and multicultural mayhem.

Mitch McConnell is a member of the Republican Party CHEAP LABOR FACTION.

Mitch McConnell is a nasty geezer globalizer treasonite who voted for Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty for illegal alien invaders.

>>62920648
Companies get bought out all the time. With it, leaderships gets replaced. Assets gets bought out, etc. Buying out doesn't mean shelving them. I think you this great misunderstanding of what buyout means.

>>62920640
They are propagandikzed the most, who believe they are propagandized the least!

>>62920657
McConnel is supported by the swamp and he's shrewd.

>>62920652
What do you think the future of transport is going to be? Keeping America secure is going to be all about building logistical deterrence.

>>62919575
>So whatever he touches turns to gold and you think he's a fraud and you hate him for it?
if he wanted to improve government efficiency, he would kill off federal subsidies for electric cars and make NASA be able to launch rockets again. However neither will happen as any of his modern business ventures have all revolved around government handouts.

>>62920632
>Other companies can fill the shoe if necessary
There is only one for a reason anon, the return on investment is slow and it's very high risk as any interruption just extends Airbus's lead. Some business's can't be supported by the free market because it's simply a bad investment when compared to other options investors can put their money into.

i don't know much about planes and shit but i do work with industrial robotics. to me it makes sense that there would be an enormous priority in removing humans from the cockpit of planes.
it costs a lot of money and time to train a human. it's better to not risk them. ideally you would have a fully autonomous drone for stuff like bombing or interdiction. otherwise, you have a human piloting the plane remotely.
this also eliminates a lot of the human limitations on flight. humans can only take certain accelerations before they are no longer operational, but the plane itself isn't going to black out. there wouldn't have to be any life support or controls systems.

is this not the way this field is going? are pilots really going to be around in like, 50 years?

>>62920630
They'll sell it for a very high premium because you've tied political influence to land dingus.

>>62920615
NTA but China has been muscling in on their neighbors for a long time now. The island building, the pseudo-fishing boats that ram Philippine and Vietnamese CG ships when they intercept illegal Chinese fishing operations, the unlawful attempts to interdict cargo ships and airliners going through the 9-dash line zone, etc. All examples of the Chinese stirring up shit in an effort to control their neighbors with mafia tactics.

As to what seems to have been the source of this back and forth I'm seeing in this thread: Russia didn't start with just lots of air attacks because their air forces weren't really capable of winning the war on their own at the start of the war and they've only degraded further as they've lost planes and spent missiles faster than they can be replaced. It may have some element of incompetence but it probably has a lot to do with the Russian economy and military never really recovering from the break up of the union.

>>62920683
They're already maximizing their premium by maximizing profit. How'd they extract more than they already are?

>>62920679
>it costs a lot of money and time to train a human
It depends on the plane, in an old Cessna the pilots training might be more than the value of the plane while in a $80m fighter the pilots training will be less than 5% of the airframe cost.
The big issue with removing pilots form your top tier fighters is you can lose an extremely expensive airframe to EW.

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>>62920324
>>62920340
That isn't censorship you mouth breathing troglodytes, just people not wanting to associate with people spewing unhinged shit in public like a drunken uncle shunned at a party.
Real censorship is the government banning media that goes against their propaganda/message and persecuting the people that create and/or spread it around. In China this would be talking about Tiananmen Square or calling Xi winnie the poo. In russia this is currently anything decrying the morality of russia's war.

>>62920673
NASA has a rocket they own and buy. Its SLS. It launches once every 2 years. It costs ~$6 billion each time for the launch. And the R/D costs NASA ~$50B and counting. These are reused shuttle parts too. Each engine costs ~$140 million dollars. SpaceX is set to launch ~136 rocket this years. Each rocket launch costs ~$50M.

Fed subsidy for EV needs to end, but they need to lift restrictions on EV ban on half the states. They need to lift restrictions on lithium mining and be allowed to mine/refine lithium battery, just like they allow oil/fracking in the country.

>>62920366
America is neither a democracy nor a facista state. It’s a Republic. And it’s definitely not Facist nation. Facism means unity. United we stand divided we fall. In Union there is strength one for all and all for one. The symbol is a bundle of rods tied together. The unified whole much stronger than each individual rod.

America is a squalid, squabbling scrum of numerous minorities. Endlessly dividing themselves endlessly coming up with different identities. Everybody hating each other. Everybody screaming for attention. Jews forcing the endless divisions. Invaded by hostile armies of millions every year. Hostile armies invited in by our government and both political parties.

That CSA song I’m a good old rebel. I hates that striped banner and everything it stands for.

>>62920690
You are talking about government censorship but it's far from the only kind of censorship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship#Types
In the west Economic induced censorship is by far the most common.

>>62920689
Each pilot requires ~10-20 years of investment. Its expensive.

The consensus is that Musk deserves a lot appreciation for SpaceX, some appreciation for Tesla, and hate for everything else he does.

>>62920687
Because you've added extra value by tying it to voting.

>>62920630
why would you sell it?
If you can just suppress the votes of 99% of people by buying up land, why not do that?

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>>62920425
>Swarm drones and swarm drone carriers are the future.
Cheap drone swarms are defo going to be a thing in the future and will have their uses. But they're not going to be able to do *everything* because what makes them cheap is that they're shit like budget quadcopters/turboprops/computer controlled speed boats. You can make them more than that. But the more you do the more they become like a conventional (and expensive) vehicle or missile. And even if being unmanned makes them more disposable, they won't be THAT disposable.

>>62920469
>Yes. Especially if each of these can have sensors that can relay each other's sensor data to form a map for others to identify targets and optimize targeting.
So if these AMRAAMs are data linked enough, that makes the F-35 a drone carrier?

>>62920701
The vast majority of airforces get it done in 3-4 years.
The Vermont Air National Guard has a great breakdown of training times.
https://www.158fw.ang.af.mil/BECOME_A_FIGHTER_PILOT/

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>>62920714
F-15. Loaded the wrong pic.

>>62920657
>Seething about WASPs
Fat mexican hands types this out

>>62918826

100%

>>62920690
NTA but the Biden admin was caught directing social media companies to censor American citizens for criticizing the Biden admin. They even got a judicial smack down telling them not to do that because it violated the 1st Amendment.

In other western countries like Canada and the UK the censorship is more serious and direct because they don't have similar free-expression protections. Canadian citizens didn't just lose their social media posts/accounts, they had their bank accounts frozen, got fired from their jobs, got arrested, etc. for protesting against the Trudeau government. Similar things are going on right now in the land of UK and it's been slowly getting worse for years. I don't know much about the situation in mainland Europe, and nobody to my knowledge is being killed over their views in Anglo/Euro countries, but real government censorship is a thing here and it shouldn't get a pass just because you happen to agree with it or because China and Russia are worse.

>>62920709
We're talking about a price gouging situation. You're being charged as much as you can afford to pay. You couldn't possibly pay more.

>>62920661
I think you greatly misunderstand what a buyout is from a business perspective. A buyout is generally a horrible business prospect, which is why it is not done unless profitability fundamentally doesn't matter and you're prepared to take the hit for a long time.
Essentally what a buyout is, is heaping a shitload of debt onto the company you're buying out. Which is why bought out companies usually get cannibalized and torn into little pieces to find a just little more value in them than what was paid for them.

>>62920712
Because you want money that exceeds the perceived value of holding on to a vote in 18th-century America, which isn't much.

>>62920276
>Fascism well apples
HOW DO YA LIKE THEM APPLES

>>62920080
I think it's a pet name for "Russian assets"

>>62920709
>>62920712
Why do people sell shares in companies?

>>62920746
1) to gain capital they can invest elsewhere
2) because they think the price will fall
3) because they need money, they don't want to sell but lack liquidity

>>62920746
They generally don't.

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Everyone's losing their shit over nothing. Elon is thinking about it from the first principles without prior deep knowledge, so it sounds clueless compared to current efforts, even though in broad strokes it's right. If it moves further it will shape up and meet in the middle. That middle is something like what's already being done with things like pic related. Basically already a thing. Elon might be able to throw more engineering power at it to make those more mass produced and cost effective. Maybe more importantly, have much more seamless networking. I think we live in an interwar sort of period where in theory many minds can understand the need for networked drones but it's not really battle tested and turned into a well oiled machine yet.

>>62920701
The pilot is the least expensive part of the plane.

>>62920714
If you can unload 100 of them from a carrier with each having ~6 hr fly time before refueling/recharging autonomously, all you need is fuel logistics to be automated. Then you got drone jets/ships + drone carrier + drone fuel logistics. All without single human involvement or with minimal human involvement. The entire war is ready for disruption.

>>62920768
>first principles
It doesn't even make sense from that angle, first principals would be "I think fighters are dead, what can fighters do that no other system can".

>>62920784
"How can I get this done cheaper/faster?" Mass produced swarm drones and independent drones.

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>>62920343
>>62920366
You brainlets don't know what fascism is. Fascism is Italian syndicalism, a form of socialism where society is run by the political equivalent of labor unions. The name fascism comes from the bundle of sticks, a faggot or fasces, used as a symbol of authority and strength in the Roman Empire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp8_FzJO458
The core idea of fascism is that individuals are weak, collectives are strong, and the individual can only achieve his potential by surrendering himself to be a part of the social machinery of the state.

Fascism is not Nazism, but they are related and both are socialist. Nazism is more like Marxist socialism except along racial lines instead of class lines. The Nazis were not "white" supremacists, they were German supremacists and believed that other non-German Europeans had been contaminated by "inferior" blood. The economic justification for WW2 was the acquisition of new resources to pay for the extravagant spending on social programs in Germany and Italy prior to the war. The philosophical justification for the war was rebuilding the Roman Empire for Italy, and for Germany it was saving the world from a secret Jewish-led capitalist/communist conspiracy to destroy the civilized society.

>>62920792
Marxism
Fascism
Nazism

They're all the same. They all surrender the individual to the collectivist. Marxism is unfinished. The finished products are the standard fascism/nazism dictatorship.

>>62920668
Submarine transport, but logistics is mainly about energy.

>>62920800
So does democracy.

>>62920725
This doesn't make the situation in China or Russia better, or even the same, which is what the other anon was saying.

>>62920721
Russian hands. If you've ever watched their media they are always seething about conspiracy theores about "Anglo-Saxons" wanting to destroy Russia. They've been seething since the Crimean War.

>>62920768
You've got a guy who wants to lead the "Department of Government Efficiency", wants to axe the defense budget, and he's bashing the F-35 just as it's finding its stride, and he's with the usual talking points that Chinese shills have been using for 30 years (it's too expensive, it's obsolete, etc), people sit up and take notice.

>>62920790
What is "this" you are trying to get done? Do you need to get a 4,000-pound bunker buster high and fast enough to maximize penetration? Do you need to intercept enemy fighters at 45,000ft? Do you need to independently target a bunch of SDBs?
If all you want to do is get a small warhead to a target that has no air defence then small drones will do.
If you want the capability of a multi-role fighter then your drone costs as much as a multi-role fighter and it's worth putting a pilot in so none are lost to EW.

>>62920814
Why would Russians care about Mitch McConnell being influenced by the Chinese?

>>62920826
I have no idea what the angle is but I am familiar with the way they talk.

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Why do these people keep attempting to threaten us with what we developed decades before them.

>>62918752
He's not exactly wrong. He's arguing for non-manned fighter jets, you know 6th gen.

yeah I wonder what those could look like

probably have weird geometry and shit nigga

who would have thunk it