Glenny G Iced Out Real OGs Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wLMdi8R4qgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgen
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For today's opera performance, we listen to Benjamin Britten's Billy Budd (BBBB!) conducted by Daniel Harding.openinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcuRh7SnqoU&list=OLAK5uy_nIxkb0AS-JH5ayegacZSWnIGsBBOSPjjc&index=1random vocal movementhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1DoTBZ1s7k&list=OLAK5uy_nIxkb0AS-JH5ayegacZSWnIGsBBOSPjjc&index=8As always, Britten's operas aren't for everyone.
For me, it's Beethoven's Archduke Triohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHgRL0m5dIESo fuckin' good.
>>129386307sorry mathsister but garbage like that and Babbitt, Ferneyhough, Boulez and the like have no place in a world where real music made by and for people such as Gubaidulina, Saariaho, Crumb, Rouse and the like exists.
>>129386607Low IQ mongrel should studie advanced maths like Chopin did, I bet you don't even know what a Hessian matrix is. Retarded composers who don't know maths are garbage and proof of the reverse flynn effect as proven by Dutton. HH (Heil Heks)
>>129386652Mindbroken and mentally dominated.
>>129386536Esdeeeee
>>129386683Only I'm allowed to say that.
>>129386496I agree. Especially for orchestral recordings where nuances are endless. That is why I rarely say something is "bad", and when I do it's mostly exaggerated. But statistically, most recordings are mediocre, I believe there's a Gaussian distribution of quality. Nonetheless, I listen to and enjoy a lot of mediocrity and junk, but at least I admit it's junk. Some people here don't even realize they're listening to the most mid, low-skill performances with minimal expression, yet they seem to have a lot to say (kinda hilarious). But that's the way it is I guess, not everyone has to know what's actually good.
I started writing on paper instead of Musescore. It's kinda slow and awkward, but fun.
>>129386959Did you seriously get a candle for this pic?
>>129386972lol. The power went off and I used candles, thought it looked nice.
>>129386860>Some people here don't even realize they're listening to the most mid, low-skill performances with minimal expression, yet they seem to have a lot to say (kinda hilarious). But that's the way it is I guess, not everyone has to know what's actually good.Yet only a few months ago you wrote thishttps://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/125887953/#q125891750>I guess I meant to say that it doesn't matter between Ashkenazy and Muti, they are both good. We should be discussing music more than recordings. Curious!You know norseposter, you sure act cocky for a guy who's entire opinions are just a copy paste of Cortot/Hofmann youtube channels. In reality you're a very boring person who just spouts the words of others.
>>129387025>it doesn't matter between Ashkenazy and MutiYeah, they are both mid.>You know norseposterNot reading any further, get back to >>>/metal/
>>129387048>Yeah, they are both mid.Hmm strange, because judging by that other post only a few months ago you said they were good and said discussing performance was basically a waste of time, then you watched a bunch of hofmann youtube channels who told you otherwise, and now you're a complete 180. Weird! Even more weird is that now you have this odd elitist attitude despite clearly being a manipulated pleb on the fingers of youtuber slop. Woaw!
>>129387087Keep your essays short, you're screaming into the void, charlatan.
>>129387102And there is the defeated mark of norseposter, defaulting back to catchphrases and spam when his ESL mind realizes hes been trapped. Sucks to suck!
>>129387119Thanks for your short essay schizophrenic, but we'd prefer if you keep it even shorter and over at >>>/mu/
>>129387197Next question: Did insomnia also make you listen to old shitty recordings?https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/125109595/#q125164053Bit strange how in only a short while ago you were everything you claim to be superior to, how odd!
>>129387221Consider posting your schizo-essays over at >>>/mu/
>>129387277Does it frustrate you that everything you battled your eternal enemy the sisterposter on is slowly warping into your own takes? Curiously I remember he preferred really shitty old recordings with a faster speed, did he not? Oh how you cried over it, but now you are the same. Oh how our most bitter enemy so often have the largest effects on us! Or, well, at least for those who are so easily impressionable anyways.
>>129387378Consider posting your schizo-essays over at >>>/mu/
the level of stalking in these threads is becoming outrageous, cool it, jeez
now playingstart of Liszt: A Faust Symphony, S. 108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLxCtfbZRjc&list=OLAK5uy_n_KWEi5a4p8C1CRYhf2N1qIASm8HREV9Q&index=2Liszt: Mephisto Waltz No. 3, S. 216 (Arr. For Orchestra by Alfred Reisenauer and Kirill Karabits)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEcK-fddqlY&list=OLAK5uy_n_KWEi5a4p8C1CRYhf2N1qIASm8HREV9Q&index=6Borys Lyatoshynsky: Grazhyna, Op. 58https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdkRFPi8i4&list=OLAK5uy_n_KWEi5a4p8C1CRYhf2N1qIASm8HREV9Q&index=6https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_KWEi5a4p8C1CRYhf2N1qIASm8HREV9Q
>>129387401Takes almost no effort on my end, basically pull up any random classical thread hes been in and there is an embarrassing contradiction there. The only reason I do it is Norsetourist has become quite the poseur on here, like this guy literally just ingested straight youtube slop and turned it into his whole personality in a few short months. Sad!
>>129386860>But statistically, most recordings are mediocreEven accounting for the selection bias of musicians who are able to get a recording released by a music label? Even if granting that, I spend a decent amount of time and effort in choosing the recordings I listen to in the first place, thereby tightening the average even further. ie I may like a lot of recordings for any given work, but I always advocate for being discriminate in how one chooses the recording to go with in the first place.That said, yes, there's been times I thought a recording was great on initial listen only for the excitement to wear off and I realize it's only passable, or even bad!
Will I ever learn to like Schubert's Winterreise?
I've been lurking for a year and I want to find the best performers/conductors/recordings for Ravel and Scriabin. Help a newb out, sisters
>>129387511Well, people can change their mind over time, y'know. I'm sure you can find plenty of putative contradictions in my history when it's really just the former.>>129387549Which piece(s)?
>>129387561>Well, people can change their mind over time, y'know.Yeah but most don't arrogantly pretend to be superior to people who held the exact same opinions as them only a few months ago. I mean look at him, he'll never even admit those posts are him, guys a fucking joke. I mean he's always been shy of responsibility, but you guys and a year of chopin listening turned him into an effeminate schizophrenic spammer so hes not even fun to banter with anymore. I'm assuming this is NaiveIdiot I'm replying to, but I am certain if I found that "putative contradictions in my history", you would just say yes and that your opinion changed, nor would you deride and degrade others for holding your old position. Its hypocrisy that is the issue, and also I can't stand people who don't think for themselves, watching someone just embody and copy his entire thoughts on something from youtube is retch inducing. I would never call norsetourist a particularly creative or interesting person, but now hes just a copy paste character.
>>129387549There aren't many to choose from if you're looking for the absolute best: Hofmann, Horowitz and Feinberg should be on your radar first and foremosthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NKa-hNQm-Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgkfGPtSlrkAs well as Scriabin himself.
>>129387628>>129387511thanks for essays charlatan, take it over to >>>/mu/
>>129387647I thought you used to push for Lettberg, norsetourist? If I remember, wasn't it because Hurwitz told you it was good?That was back when I told you to listen to Scriabin, and then you larped as me on /classical/ https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/124786759/#q124795857I have to laugh, telling people "Stop being a mindless sheep and become an individual (I guess that's impossible, you were born an NPC)." while copying someone else is the higher tier of comedy imaginable.
>>129387561>Which piece(s)?Not too picky but for Ravel I like solo piano stuff the most, especially Jeau d'eau, Tombeau de Couperlin, stuff like that. For Scriabin my favorites are piano sonatas 1, 2 3 and 8, plus I love opus 72. But I'm not too picky, I'm willing to hear whatever recordings are considered the best of either composer.>>129387647>Hofmann, Horowitz and Feinberg should be on your radar first and foremostThank you, I will look into them. Any specific labels/albums I should also be looking out for?
>>129387810>Thank you, I will look into them. Any specific labels/albums I should also be looking out foI'm sure you'll enjoy the hiss filled dogshit about to enter your ears newfag, enjoy!
>>129387810>Any specific labels/albums I should also be looking out for?Any albums by those 3 names, and also Stokowski for orchestral(poems). For what's absent, try Sofronitsky, Hamelin and Neuhaus. Hyperion is the label you might want to keep an eye on.Of course you can explore other pianists/conductors (and you absolutely should), but the 3 names I mentioned are closest to the real Scriabin and should be your reference recordings to help you sort through all those modern recordings. The quality of interpretations are relative, after all. Interpretations only have distinguishable quality in relation to each other.>>129387738>>129387828thanks for your essays charlatan, perhaps you should go back to >>>/metal/
>>129387647Even more hilarious was you arguing with some guy telling you that Sofro and Feinberg were the best, and you becoming the legendary Lettberg autist of /classical/.https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/126692964/#q126699693Now you are stuck here repeating what he said! Do you just end up walking around getting btfo by people and then copying them afterwards?
>>129388137thanks for schizo-essay, maybe try >>>/mstal/ instead?
>>129388159>She has the rubato, great dynamics, follows the score as it is intended, her voicing is spot on and phrasing is more beautiful than any other pianist'sI wonder if poor NaiveIdiot could ever realize you basically type the above in the exact same fashion for any performance you prefer. A torrent of meaningless buzzword praise for whatever eceleb youtuber has told you is right or wrong. The patterns only get more and more obvious the more you read of this stuff.
>>129388137>>129388063
Then again, they wouldn't be the NaiveIdiot if they had any real pattern recognition skills and were capable of figuring out someone's personality. Poor Iass still thinks you have an honest thought to you at all.
>>129388200thanks for schizo-essay, maybe try >>>/metal/ instead?
>>129388233You missed one lass >>129388217
metalhead death camp
>>129388264/classical/ cultivated this.
>>129387539You will if you listen to the Kurt Moll version.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHS6Gd5Q4_s
