Work in Progress, "Caption This!" Edition>Full-on /WIP/ OP Links Pastebin:https://pastebin.com/BE42AEcD>Saint Duncan's "Six Things I Wish I Knew When I Started Painting"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufP8ka3KGno>Saint Duncan also explains thinning your paintshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxWgsqSf74s>Paint thinning 102https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBDVPoNXyVI>Darren Latham's 20 top tips for miniature painting successhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERXNObqeNb8>4 EASY Chipping Tricks For Beginnershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku4comhKHJM>Decal Like a Prohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYKLiEW7p9c>How to Edge Highlighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoRbYuAfbEk>How to use contrast style paintshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhholrozptI>Who's Johnny, she'd say, and smile in her special wayhttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Johnny>Previous threads:>>92546960>>92518159
Why is acrylic so bad? I thought it was gonna be super fast drying to get some easy basecoats and layering but instead it dries so fucking slowly and lets colours blend together?Picrel. I should go back to using gouaches like I always did.
>>92569188>I thought it was gonna be super fast drying>SLOW-DRYING in the tub
>>92569188Yes yes, you are so original and cool. Move on.
>>92569208I never said I'm smart.>>92569216:(
Hoping to finish today or tomorrow.
>>92569238so far so good. like the googles and the 'eat dis'
>>92569188Those are slow drying acrylics. But that's a nice fucking set. Genuine pigments. Just remember genuine cadmium and manganese and chromium are toxic so don't wash them over your dishes and don't lick your brush or eat your paints. The ones marked "hue" are mixtures that may not contain toxic pigments, but check the labels to be sure.
>>92569238cute
Do you like it, lads?
>>92569444Yes.
>>92569424Thanks anon for the genuine advice, this was a joke post though and not even my collection. Although it is basically that size, I've willingly avoided toxic pigments because I have a cat which might step in them if I'm not too careful and if I were to use cadmium it'd be way too dangerous to let her in the same room.I have some pyrrole red coming soon I'm hyped.
>>92569600>I have a cat which might step in themI see you have learned from Dwarf Fortress.
>>92569444No, I love it. Great work.
Started a new army for Epic armageddon.
>>92569614Ok but imagine an ASCII tabletop army of dwarves. Just 3d letters marching towards your enemy
>>92569644great color. You using contrast or speed paints?
started dwarfing up the mortar. I decided not to do a gear like mechanism because I have neither the bits nor the patience.
>>92569692Is it me or is it hairy?
>>92569657Terradon turquoise diluted 50/50 with contrast medium
>>92569698All canons are hairy. Mine is.
Calling them done, definitely not my favorite minis to paint even after reposing and stripping off a bunch of extraneous detail.
>>92569444That paintjob makes me definitely like a model I was on the fence for, good job.
Not my finest greenstuff work, and I have my doubts about the left guy, but got the leaders for my kill team built. Hopefully going to start painting in the next couple days, just waiting on heads for a couple of the other operatives.
>>92569698It is a young canon, having recently been pushed out of the burrow by its mother. It makes its way across the battlefield, looking for territory of it's own to roam.
>>92569238Nice weathering so far on the koptor, the green and blue are lovely together.
>>92569698the mortar itself is a rubber spout. I suspect that's what's giving it a grainy look. hopefully the primer will smooth it out and if not? eh... it doesn't bother me too much.the wooden frame will be sanded before priming.
>>92569752>I wasn't taught how to cut squares from wood in primary>this is therefor a skill beyond my abilitiesHoly shit, fucking velcro-shoe mouthbreathers on my board.
>>92570141This isnt the woodworking thread, fuck off already, youve been polluting the thread for far too long now.
Newbie question, which units would use the large or small shoulder transfers?Large - Gravis armour, Terminators, charactersSmall - Intercessors
>>92570141>boomers still shilling for measuring and cutting a bunch of mdf by hand with a boxcutter in order to save the money that could be earned in 3 hours at even a minimum wage jobNone of you fags have posted any of your hand-crafted carrying cases you're pretending are super easy and quick to make either
Hive Scum. Next on the work bench 1 town Sheriff and his dog, followed by a choo choo train, a sump horror and 9 critters.
>>92570201Hello schizo, not everyone is the same person.Back to >>>/x/ with you.
>>92569094What is Khaki Grey use for?
>>92569238That paint job makes me rethink my idea of 'ork vehicles should be dingy' mindset
So, continuing with the topic of oils.Lets say I have basecoated and highlighted my mini with acrylics and want to add some tonal variation and colour interest with oils.Could I later (after the oils have properly dried) come and add some oil washes if needed without ruining the already dried oil?
>>92570242Most people at my club use baking trays as carry cases. They glue magnets to the bases of their minis and keep the trays seperated by blocks of foam.
>>92570242No, I am not shilling anything of the kind, I'd personally just buy the carrying bag because it is much more convenient. I simply can't believe the helplessness of not being able to cut squares from wood. The type of dysfunctional autist that has their morning routine explained to them on a laminate (bonus points for pictograms).
Anybody know some creative ways to base flying models? No lolipop sticks or jetpack brap blast clouds, thank you.
>>92570403Post boxes
I've preferred foam over magnets ever since a friend of mine got rearended, the shock of which was too much for the magnets. Lots of chipping. Would not have happened with foam individual compartments.
Felt like making a big custodes, he's coming along nicely. First time I've tried shading gold with green.
>>92570489Your "friend" should take his carrying case off before you go "rearending" him ,anon.
>>92570470What boxes? Where do I claim to have mini storage boxes? I can show you wood I have cut into squares and other shapes.
>>92570516You dumb bitch. You braindead rodent.
>>92570204Whichever you like and/or can fit.
>>92570489I use foam because I move to a different state basically every year and a halfBut magnets still better in general because it's ultimately better to not always run the risk of breaking delicate bits whenever you take them out
>>92569782>>92570502On the topic of large, power armoured gentlemen. Might make the markings on the left most one a little brighter. Can't really see it at the moment
>>92570489you mean he was carrying his magnet trays and got rapedthats horrible
>>92570502Excuse me, it's ma'am.
>>92570489I get what you mean but getting rearended is not happening to me so frequently that im thinking about it when i choose my carrying cases.
>>92570521Get help if this makes you so upset.
>>92570612see >>92570470
>All this gay arguing over lunchboxes and mdf>The true CHAD DIY solution to mini transport remains forgotten
I finished my Exaction Squad proxies about a week or so ago. They took way too long to paint because I keep forgetting that normal acrylic paint takes so long to get full coverage over wraithbone primer.
>>92570552What are these from? Don't recognize the models.
>>92570678explain teddy
How do you weather white without going over the top? Not at the point of doing it yet, but I'm concerned that there's very little room for mistakes over white. I don't want to overdo it, but I also don't want shiny white marines straight off the assembly line either considering the aesthetic of the heresy.
>>92570628See >>92570516
>>92570654The chaddest way would be to cast them in watersoluble jelly.
>>92570455Jumping off another model, crashing into something, being grabbed by a monster (kraken if over water)
I know an Ork player who just arm swipes his entire army into a box at the end of the night. They're really well painted too. He just repairs any real damage with highlights and stormhost silver.
>>92570708Consider what the undercoat would be and use that for chipping. Also make sure the chipping is in areas that make sense, like sharp edges or places that would see a lot of handling or walking on.A great place to look is german/russian ww2 scale tanks in winter camo, picrel.
>>92570455Tacticool rocks in an "about to jump" pos. Models should be on the ground either about to jump or running. Clear stands are for people who like to get pegged.
>>92570847If they're wel varnished and you don't shake the box around I honestly don't see too mich of a problem with this for non display pieces.
>>92570698It’s from a resin teddy bear set from GreenStuff World. I stuck random things on each model’s base to be some kind of evidence. That guy found a teddy bear with glowing eyes
Mostly done. Various fine details and things to do.
>>92570141>this is therefor a skill beyond my abilitiesI'm not the anon you were talking about and nor did I imply that. I was merely pointing out that times have changed and woodworking is not something taught to young children any more.
>>92570455Magnets and fishingline finnicky but workable for lighter models. Arrange magnets in base and mink to repel each other, use fishing line to anchor mini so it doesn't go flying of.Alternatively use bigger minis and bases and install switching electromagnets in the base to keep the mini afloat withoit need for fishing line.
>>92570940The chad frictionless carry case enjoyer.
The theme for this ATST is being a veteran of multiple campaigns.
>>92570455
>>92570986Still gotta do the base, visors, etc.
>>92570654>cardboard box>old towels to cushion
>>92570986>>92571022And the damned piping
>>92571032Almost me, except switch the "old towel" with "old t-shirts full of holes".Of course you put the cardboard box in a big grocery bag so it's easier to transport
>>92570678I'm not sure if i like the medic being completely in white compared to all the yellow guys.For unit uniformity, it probably would have looked better if only his helmet was in "medic" color.
>>92570434I never use deodorant.
>not using a hollow, round and spinning carrying case that keeps the minis in place with centrifugal forceamateurs, the lot of you
>>92571062I toss the box I'm going to use into a hard sided cooler for transport.
>>92570682Vermilion miniatures not fallout range. These are NOT enclave. they're 3D printed then I added some bits
>>92571196I stopped when I stopped being a hormonally challenged smelly teenager.That list is shit anyway. Making your bed traps moisture under the blankets, causing more bacterial growth. Air that shit out.
>>92569734Nice color
>>92570986>View port open. Paint stripe is visible on "open" view port.This bothers me.
>>92571488see >>92571022I'm between doing them black or painting in glass
All this bickering about transport options. Just get a file organizer and magnetize your minis.
how should I stick cork to bases? would normal superglue work or do I need something like a hot glue gun
>>92571579If this doesn't keep your minis safe, you are a sperg.
>>92571591Superglue might take two tries, as the cork can absorb it badly. Hot glue will work, and if it does get jostled hard enough to come off (which isn't easy), then you can use super glue on the same spot to re-secure it. But I usually just use super glue desu. It's on my desk and doesn't need plugging anything in.
How often should I clean my brushes to prevent paint drying and ruining it?
>>92570552
>>92571762after you use it
>>92571613Where do you buy your magnets? That's the real question.
>>92571762Every time you are done painting for the day
>>92571779As in after I finish a bit of a model or once I'm finished like the below said?>>92571803That's my current method but the brushes still splay.
>>92570434I'm perfectly capable of cutting squares from wood you stupid faggot, im saying it is a total waste of time and effort to do, how are you not getting this?
>>92571837every time you're going to be not using that brush for more than an hour or so
>>92571847why is it though?besides the wide berth of creativity and options making something yourself allows for compared to just buying a static pre-made terrain piece (and remember GW has two books on making terrain from scratch and still features some stuff like that now with all the plastic kits), it’s also just, you know, fun to doSometimes it can be more expensive and time consuming than the plastic kit but hobbyists will still do it anyway just because it’s fun to make stuff like that with your hands. It’s like building a diorama or set piece. If you don’t want to do it yourself there isn’t anything wrong with that, but it’s perfectly reasonable for people to just prefer making little shanty houses or jungle trees and temples on their own instead of just buying them.
>>92571785Ebay
Figured I might as well ask: I increasingly find that I enjoy constructing minis more than I enjoy painting them; does anyone know of a fantasy/sf equivalent to something like Airfix's 1:72 range? You know, stuff that's cheap and not necessarily all that detailed but that comes as a kit.>>92570654>>92571032>>92571062>Not using a padded egg crate>>92571591Pretty much any glue will work fine. CA, wood glue, tacky glue, white glue, hot glue, etc. Personally, in cases where the strength of the bond isn't the primary concern I use Elmer's school glue because I can brush it on and then save the brush as opposed to tacky glue, wood glue or less soluble white glues. It also dilutes well if that's what you need.
>>92571948How fucking dense are you, you fucking dumb motherfucking retard holy shit, cant you understand some people dont want to waste their free time to build some shit 'cuz they can do it themselves' and would rather spend that time doing something that actually brings them joy?Fucks sake.
>>92571847You have issues, take meds or see a therapist and find out where the wood square hurt you.
>>92572027>everyone is the same personFucking resident thread schizos
>>92570412Someone?
>>92569094An aspiring champion with banner for fantasy, still need to do a black oil wash on him then get the lighter colors like the horns and skulls
>>92571948Because building your own terrain is actually fun.Building a purely functional item that is practically identical (or likely worse) than a cheap product that already exists and serves the purpose perfectly is 0% fun.
I like painting Votann units but god damn Brassy Brass just deestroys brushes.
>>92572022> I increasingly find that I enjoy constructing minis more than I enjoy painting themNot the same type at all but have you tried to build plastic/metal models? They're really cheap and some of them come with pre-painted parts
>>92571847Cool opinion that is entirely wrong. I'll have 6 (six) squares cut from wood long before any custom shit comrs in and Ill do it at a fraction of the price.So I am mot wasting time nor am I wasting money and I would in fact be doing another creative thing that is the entire point if this hobby to begin with.You want to spend mobey on storage solutions, you do you. But stop spouting nonsebse about it being a waste of this or that.Furthermore, in the previous thread anons WERE bitching about cutting squares being a ton of work which is who I quoted to begin with. You are a fucking peabrain for injecting yourself into the argument and then going " waaah, but the argument was never about it being too much work".Please, for you guardian's sake just stop breathing, fucking mistgeburt.
>>92572093Your terrain is likely worse than a cheap item too. Your argument is retarded and you yourself refute it in your very own post. An astounding display of reddit disonance.
>>92572102I hecking love Starcraft.
>>92570412I got you anon, its a case of it depends because there are a few ways to go about it. First thing you need to get a grasp of is that oils and water dont mix. Sounds stupid i know but its to your advantage. Oil paint and mineral spirits wont reactivate dried acrylics and vise versa. This is why oil washes over acrylics basically do what acrylic washes pretend they do. So to your quesiton yes, BUT you need to make sure that first oil wash fully cures and when you apply the second one, dont fuck with it or its going to move the layre below it around. Alternativly you can apply a heavy wash the first time around, then about 30min after you applied it come back in and start removing the sports where you dont want the oil wash, since oil is a LOT eaiser to blend and remove, and since it does not mix with the acrylics its not going to fuck with hte paint below it.Another option is to simply wash it, seal it, then wash it again.
>>92572161>Its worse then cheap items tooYou sound like the same people who also only care about graphics in video games over everything else. Anon, its peak hobby to build your own terrain and board. It itself is a hobby on its own. Building terrain and a board is the best part of the hobby for some people because you get to shape the world and battle field exactly how you want to, not to the dismay or demand of how GW tells you to or some other company. Its pure SOVL.
>>92572073Best answer is to test it yourself. I've been fine adding an oil pinwash to dried oil without much issue but haven't tried doing an all over wash.
>>92572176I wouldn't be applying a wash the first time with oils but an actual thin layer of oil paint, which is why I'm worried about a posterior oil wash could remove it
>>92572234>I wouldn't be applying a wash the first time with oils but an actual thin layer of oil paint,this confuses me anon, what are you doing? Because you saids your not applying oil wash, but your applying a thin layre of oil paint.So is it a wash? What are you are painting?
>>92571785Coblat keep makes the best bases if you want to magnetize. If you just want magnets, kjmagnetics.
>>92571785Magnet baron
>>92572213Holy fuck, talk about missing the point
>>92572213>building own terrain that is likely worse that brandname is pure sovl>building own storage sollution thay is likely worse tham brandname is retardedPlease, make up your mind. If you are a different anon please read threads before posting replies.
>>92572093Anon, everything you day about buildong yoir own terrain is applicable to building your own boxes and vice versa.I for one have not yet found the perfect mini box that ticks all of my boxes, too big, too small, not sturdy enoigh, too heavy, cheap joints, parts subcontracted to china. Same for prebuilt terrain, never does quite the thing I want it to. In both cases it is basically always "good enough, I guess".
>>92572249No, not a wash.I want to put a dab of oil paint on some areas and spread it, creating a thin layer of oil paint to act as a filter of sortsThat's the mini in question, not that it matters but whatever
>>92572339im a different anon, Building your own shit is peak, buying it is fine but you can be better then that.
>>92572439>I want to put a dab of oil paint on some areas and spread it, creating a thin layer of oil paint to act as a filter of sortsSo it sounds like you are trying to glaze? Because that would mean it would be transparent enough to see whats below it.
>>92572454>So it sounds like you are trying to glazeI mean, kind of?Pic I posted is the current status, all done with acrylic.I want to do that filter thing (oil paint only, no mineral spirits) and once that is dry I may want to come with an oil wash for some recesses
>>92572490>oil paint only, no mineral spiritsThat is not going to work, oil paint is way to thick.
>>92570654Myself I'm partial to submerging them in a plastic bag full of water.
>>92572490Im also a bit confused what did you have in mind for your oil paint to use? I ask because im very confused since if you have seen oil paint, you would know you cant just use the oil paint with out thinning it with a mineral spirit. Oil paint is like a thick paste or cream not like an acrylic paint like we know and love. You would have to thin it down. Have you ever used an oil based paint before?
Recommend me a non metallic paint to replace the gold trim, I can't stand working with metallic paints anymore. I'd rather keep it as close to the worn gold/brass rather than god specific highlights if I can, but that's where I'm going I can't find a replacement
>>92569444Crisp
>>92572439it sounds like you want to do sort of a dot filter style drybrush of tiny tiny dots of unthinned paint which would probably work fine with a wash over it, thin oils stick on top of unthinned and vice versabut for such a small model i feel like it makes more sense to just do some glazing with slightly thinned but not liquid paints
>>92572102>Brassy BrassIsn't he one of the Class-S heroes in One Punch Man?
Re; transfer decals for Space Marine shouldersCan I print my own, or is the result likely to be sub-par, versus paying the Games Workshop tax? The transfers I want are currently out of stock anyway, so I'm thinking fuck it, why not make my own.
>>92569734The size of the guns makes the whole model look like a cartoonish toy
>>92572584I agree with this, if you are trying to do the dot method, i would honestly even stick with acrylics for that as well, then just wash in the oil paint. If you do the dotting method with oil, i would seal the model after the oil paint fully cured then wash it. >>92572581So i struggled with metalics as well and here is my tip to help you. >Paint the area you want a metalic over, in a darker non metalic version of the paint For example, if you are painting a gold or a brass, paint the area in brown first, then go over it with your metallic. >After you paint the metalic wash it in an oil wash which helps smooth out the reflections and dulls it a bit.
>>92572603Really depends on the printer you use honestly but they can be pretty good yeah
>>92572603You can print your own the problem is, odds are you dont have a detailed enough printer for anything super intricate, but like generic numbers and shit? yeah your fine. Do you know how to decal properly? Not being rude just asking.
>>92572613>Paint the area you want a metalic over, in a darker non metalic version of the paintThat sounds like a good way to mask the coverage issue, I'm going to try that on the next one
Not too bad for an evening. Weapon, cloak and base left for later.
>>92572439Unrelated to the conversation but FUCK that red looks rich and saturated as hell
>>92572142I bet you don't even craft your own brushes from the hair of animals you have killed yourself with a handcrafted weapon, you filthy casual. Get off my thread we're about siriuz bizness DIY here
>>92572668That's a nice metal, how did you do it?
>>92572680shut up boomer, your joke is getting stale
>>92572680Imagine not killing animals you bred yourselfPathetic
>>92572652Yep, its a good way to help it out alot it goes a long way. Also if you are using vallejo, there is a cheat i found out that helps a lot. Use their air paint, but then thicken it a bit with the same color in their regular paint.For example, you can use 2 drops of regular gun metal gray then thin it with 1 drop of gun metal gray air
>>92572700Thanks. Canoptek Alloy and shade with the old Athonian Camoshade green wash. Then highlights with Canoptek and a bright silver.
Up today are the medic and melta, gonna do a meme heat burn effect on the metal because I have no original thought in my mind palace. Day 3 of the oils on the palette, so in and out of the freezer twice now. After about 15 minutes to warm up they feel the same, even the tit white feels ok. I know in a day or so it'll start to get chalky, so this is a good experiment to see how long I can push the palette before I need to replace it.
>>92572717I use vallejo for my airbrush, going to try out that as well
>>92572127>Not the same type at all but have you tried to build plastic/metal models?Such as? I already do a bit of gunpla and scale modeling and I'm not sure what you're taking about here.
>>92572701Show your selfmade wooden box or stfu
>>92572841Nice scheme but you seriously need a paint thinning pill, mate
>>92572603One thing to keep in mind is that most printers sold for home use can't print white; they just rely on having white paper underneath to print on.
>>92572142Cool, post the carry case you built, Id like to see how you mounted the shelves>>92572161Maybe, but like I said the process of making it is fun, which is why I do it.Honestly its like youre trying to miss the point on purpose.
>>92572814>wooden box
>>92572873>post the carry case you builtHe never built shit. But he totally could have if only he wanted to! Really!
>>92572859preciate it lol its just straight oils nd im still learning to control them so my concern has been more on atmosphere than pristineness
>>92572905>straight oils nd im still learning to control themMy hat off to you then, I have enough trouble handling the acrylics lol
Another evening.Another batch of wheat.
>>92572949Wait, what? What's happening here?
>>92572949based and cornfed
>>92572444Ya, I agree, which is why I take issue with people calling it a retarded waste of time and effort to build your own storage.
>>92572965DIY false eyelashes. We've trascended the MDF box
>>92572680No, because that WOULD be more time and effort than ordering it online.
>>92572603Most of the decals I used on this guy were printed at home, I think they generally work great and you can print very fine text and still have it work.However, they will lack the opacity of GW decals so using bright colours is a no-go on clear paper, and you obviously cant print white on a home/office printer which require white paper, which then means you have to manually cut it out if you need white anywhere
>>92572591No, but ONE does make fun of hero names with rredundancies like Flashy Flash and Speed o'Sound Sonic.
>>92573011>you obviously cant print white on a home/office printer which require white paper, which then means you have to manually cut it out if you need white anywhereThat is a spiffy looking dreadnought!The other possibility that I neglected to suggest is that you could paint white, yellow, or another bright opaque colour on the model *before* applying a transfer over it. Early Blood Angels vehicle transfer sheets had some insignia with only the black lines printed on them; you first had to supply the opaque background yourself with paint.
>>92572949What am I looking at?
>>92572965I am making my own wheatfield row by row.
>>92573087Scaled wheat in the making. Actual wheat is about 120cm. At 1:35 that would be 3.5cm, I have rounded that up to 4cm to give myself some wiggleroom for when I go to "plant" it.
>>92572949Holy kek, how much are you making of it?
>>92573073Thanks fren>you could paint white, yellow, or another bright opaque colour on the model *before* applying a transfer over itYeah that would work, you can also layer clear on opaque decals if you need
>>92573073I forgot to mention, you'll definitely need a decal softener if youe planning to use them on shoulderpads, Id guess the paper brands will vary slightly but mine arent quite as pliable as GWs decals without a softener and you'll struggle over a round surface
Mostly done on my first of two Repulsors. It has a mild gradient on the blue you can't really see on my android shamefone.It seems like I misplaced some of the "track plates" or whatever you'd call them for my second Repulsor, annoyingly. I'm going to need to find a substitute for them.
Is the Nurgling too much?
>>92573332I can't get over how thicc that neck is
>>92573332The nurgling is fine. I'm not keen on the head, it looks like it doesn't fit over the neck guard. I'd try a different head or cut down the neck guard somewhat.
>>92569188Wetblend you retard.
>>92573361Kinda works for nurgle does it not just swollen flesh
>>92573148My tonk is about 10x20cm. For my dioramas I isually stick to the rule of thirds, so my vehicle should take up about a third of the space, i.e. the diorama should be 600cm squared. Obviously the tank doesn't need to be wheated (although it will be IN the wheatfield itself), and I want to have a dirttrack take up about the other 1/3. So 200cm squared needs to be wheated, along with enough to surround the tank, so lets say 300cm squared, probably with dimensions of 20×15cm. Wheat usually has 12-18cm gaps between rows when sown, so in my 1:35 scale that is ~4mm. My rows will be along the long axis of the grid, so 15cm/4mm=37.5 rows, so lets say 40 rows each 20cm long. My sections are 10cm long, so I'll need 80.80 is the answer. I usually make 8 in a sitting (today I did twice that). I currently have 32 section, so another 48 needed, which is another 6 sittings.
>>92573436In some cases yes, in this care where everything else is dainty and lith absolutely not.
>>92573332>>92573361>>92573371I disagree. It's a Nurgle model. Lean into the bloated neck. Bust out that greenstuff and give her some tumorous growths.
>>92573436It doesn't look swollen. It just looks like her head has to be constantly tilted upwards because the helmet is caught on the neck guard.
>>92572142>Furthermore, in the previous thread anons WERE bitching about cutting squares being a ton of work which is who I quoted to begin withHurr durr, >>92570921Improve your reading comprehension skills.
>>92573448>>92572949So simple but I imagine quite effective
Armed my Incubi and Kabalites.Two of the Kabalites have gaps on the arms with the shoulders not sitting nicely. It pains me.
>>92573657Kabalite torsos suck to assemble, I usually just use sprue goo and sand it down afterwards
>>92573657Fill the gaps with sprue bits or putty, then hide them under the shoulder pads.
>>92573678>>92573720Yeah, that's the plan. It's just a shame as I'd done the arms with the weapons separate to everything else, with the Incubi coming out nicely while the Kabalites just wanted to be that bit trickier.
>>92573631Nta, but why involve yourself with two tards having a tardgument?
>>92573741The other thread was about to die so I figured what harm could come of informing him that woodworking is no longer on the curriculum for primary schools. Alas, that post was misconstrued to start up the same shitposting in this thread.
>>92572771
>>92573332Just do something about the knees and it's perfect.Maybe drill a third eye into the forehead of the skull on the chest.
>>92569424Thanks reddit
>been working on a kitbash for two weeks>some fucker on reddit just posted basically the same idea I hadfuck this gay earth
>>92573737The kabalites are a bit of a harder one to put together, but they are very flexible when it comes to posing and conversions.
>>92573997Quick, post yours as proof that you didn't copy them.
>>92573997Post both pictures, don't say which is which.
>>92574021This is an excellent idea.
>>92573650It is quite easy. Here it is with some spacers (slightly less then what I intend).
>>92574071
>>92574080And picrel is how I'll likely paint it (here just sh00ped the pic). Althoigh before that I want to add the wheatheads.
>>92574090Vroomvroom
Anons, will I be able to apply these with a brush directly on the mini? I don't trust myself with a spray primer and my 3d printed 10mm minis, I fear I'll spray too thick and fuck up the detail. Besides, I'm a thirdie and winter is coming where I live, and I'm going to get a lot of shitty humidity and non-ideal conditions for priming anyway.I thought these would do, but I'm thinking maybe they're designed to use with an airbrush?
>>92574151And how I'll likely do my wheatheads.Still working on a way to make the stems sag (in my case bend) under the weight.
>>92574156yeah, these are fine to brush on. I've only used black myself, but was very happy with it
>>92571486Thanks, it's why I chose the chapter!>>92572607Yeah, I'm probably gonna go either regular assault marines with a pair of regular plasma rifles if I do any more of them. Did what I could (Believe it or not the guns were originally bigger with all the cables) but the minis aren't great to start with.
>>92574009>>92574021
>>92574234>redditWhu do you browse that awful place, why would you care what a redditor does or posts? In all likelihood he didn't even come up with that since it is reddit, a cesspit of post regurgitation that makes us look sane.
>>92574196Thanks, anon. Should I water it down a bit or apply directly? I assume using a wet palette with this is OK as well.
>>92574274old habit from my teenage years I guess. idk I was just inspired reading Dune recently and when I noticed the shape of the Psychophage it all kinda clicked. at least hoping mine will turn out better.
>>92573361It's not the neck, it's armour
>>92574288they're already fairly thin, if I remember correctly I mostly applied it directly from the bottle, except for some water that was in my brush. It might seem too thick at first, but it shrinks a good bit and I haven't lost any detail with it. But still I suggest doing a quick test mini first. I don't think I even used a wet palette, but yeah, should be fine to use on one I think.
>>92574288>>92574559Oh I should add, I've only used it on plastic minis so far, don't know how well it works on resin and metal, but I expect at least resin to be no issue
Someone tell me if I should be painting 1 mini to a high standard or 10 minis to a medium standard or 50 minis to a low standard
>>92574559>>92574598Thanks, anon, really appreciate your responses! I'll have no excuse to finish my Warmaster armies then
I'm trying to find some comparable paints and getting mixed messages. The Dakka Dakka post says one thing and redgrimm github with other results.Should I just give up and buy the citadel paints?
>>92574641100 to no standard
>>92574696>I'm in this post and I don't like it.
>>92571785I'm that Anon. Its Amazon.4chan thinks the link is spam.Refrigerator Magnets 50 Pcs, 10x3mm Tiny Round Disc Small
Some leeches and a new lightbox I tried making, how's it look?
>>92574516I hate start wars but that looks very nice, anon. Cool windows.
Also a halfling but I'm not 100% on
>>92574691Download the Hobby Color Converter app to your phone, take a picture/enter the RBG code for the shade of paint you need in the "Colorator" (bottom left, paint dropper symbol) and set the accuracy you desire accordingly. It will give you matches with miniature paints specifically.No more using these shitty, half-empty conversion charts or relying on /tg/ to agree on the correct colour of skub for you.
>>92574234Doesn't look all that similar to me.
>>92574744Looks like a darkbox to me. Lightboxes be white.Leeches look peechy.
>>92573113You're a mad man, /tg/ farmer, a madman
>>92573799First round of oils on the medic and melta guy done. White helmet needs the stark white highlights and the melta heat burn is still kind of weak due to the sheen, I'll touch both up tomorrow when I do the weathering and the layers have set.
>>92569094>Had a great time coming up to play at the LGS for the first time>Hive Tyrant manages to survive the big event (and was my only survivor as everything else I had got killed) and succeeded in a memorable victory>Considering a possibly trophy or item I could grant him to his base to mark his victorious trek>Take my Hive Tyrant to the work bench to look over the base and where something could go>Catch a glint in the corner of my eye>Rotate him until I can find the source>In the curvature of his Lash Whip, therein lies a tiny shallow area with a little spike that it seems I somehow completely missed when I was painting him the first time>Brain breaks>Proceed to spend the next two hours working almost entirely on his Lash Whip, then trying to improve the Lash Whip, then also take the time to touch up a few spots to make them look better before re-varnishing whatever I touched>Can’t even remember what item I was about to attach to the base nowI’m quite pleased with how the Lash Whip has come out now though, so I think it’d be nice to share it. I may attempt to come back to his base later, as I’m still trying to get better about basing in general. Maybe I’ll remember what I was going to put on there before the day is out.
>>92570412You can do that, but a lot of the highlights will get eaten by the oil filter. If you want to blend on top of the oil wash anyway then save time and don't bother highlighting in acrylic before. Once the oils dry you can do additional highlighting over the dry oils. Can't paint over large areas since it'll likely crack but shit like edge highlights and lenses are fine.
>>92575270Meant to say don't bother with the wash after or the highlights before, just blend highlights and shadows when you do the oils. Getting the easy shadows from the wash is like half the reason to even use them.
Test model for my night gobbos, thoughts on the shield colour? Wanted to go with something that wasn't the usual yellow but can't tell if it's the right choice.
>>92575347Look great anon, the cold green for the skin feels like a proper cave dweller
>>92573011Nice.
>>92575347Yeah it still works despite yellow being the complimentary to purple. And alternative would be red for a split complimentary with the purple and green.
>>92575270>but a lot of the highlights will get eaten by the oil filter.this also greatly depends on how much you dilute the wash too. if you apply a thinner wash a few times you will keep a lot of your highlights and get shadows to build up slowly, but what you said is true, if you do a heavy wash you will lose a lot. One thing that oils do and its the reason i love them as a wash is they mute a lot of the shine in a model and will make them very Matte.
>>92572905>pull a little of the oil straight from the tube with your brush into a small dry "puddle">ever so briefly dip the tip of your brush into your thinner>work into the dry puddle until you get it like a thick acrylic paint consistency>pull against your palette to remove excess paint>gently work the paint brush onto a piece of paper towel, taking much of the paint offThat should leave you with a consistency that will paint smoother but also not run on you. You can work your brush back into that spot on the paper towel once or twice to reload the brush as well so you don't need to go back to the palette, especially since its the right consistency.
>>92575081Some sharp-lookin' bugs ya got there, m8!
>>92575347Think it looks good, if you want a little hit of yellow to compliment you could maybe try a cold pale yellow highlight on the moon instead of white?
>>92569094WIP...the Vallejo bubbling problem is very real for me at least. I experience it every time I paint with it. Is there any way to circumvent the bubbling problem or did I just get fucked batch? Should I just switch to AK paints?
>>92574151>>92574080I'm looking for something like this but more a jungle theme.I have a bunch of arms and torsos so hiding the legs under high grass could be a solution.
First time working with a human scale model. Probably should have held off on working with the custom modeling until after I painted my first one, but I didn't much like the monopose that the Vindicare came with.Think I'm going to have to look over them in more detail next time. Missed a few spots that won't be that visible from a distance.
>>92574516Thanks for showing the painted windows. My 'tisum is pleased.
>>92572088Update he got a bath in oil wash and is drying now
>>92575720I did it for you Anon. I did it for you.
>>92569094I asked another thread about where I could find spindly robots. And someone suggested I ask here, because someone had made their own. Any construction tips would be appreciated.
>>92575621Thank you very much!I'm aiming to finish my main forces by the end of the month, provided I do not run out of Wraithbone. Nothing's as good a motivator as getting to finally have a fully painted army!Besides Johnny of course, the whimsical chap.
>>92575967That's a mandalorian ripoff
>>92576179Yeah. I know where it's from. It's right there in the picture. I was asking about where I could find, or how I could make more like it.
>>92575659Bubbling is a meme. And by that I don't mean that bubbles don't exist but they're not something new and people have been memed into thinking they're a new phenomenon. I get bubbles sometimes (and this is across all my paints, not specifically new VGC) but the cause is almost always a combination of overloaded brush of thin paint + very textured/uneven surface. So be careful with how much paint is on your brush and the surface you're applying it to.
>>92575659Post a pic of the brushes you are using and a surface it has happened on. Sounds like it is more of an issue of overloaded brush and running it over the surface too quickly like >>92576245 says.
>>92576245Incorrect. The new vallejo game color uses a polyurethane medium that bubbles MUCH MORE than any other paint we've ever seen and what's worse is the polyurethane TRAPS the bubbles preventing them from popping. It's bad paint. Vallejo fucked up and they won't admit it even though people who formerly promoted their products are finally admitting the problem and APOLOGIZING FOR PROMOTING IT. It's shit. We want regular acrylic paint. Not fancy bullshit that causes problems. We want the old game color and model color line back with all of the old colors and formulas precisely as they were. They can call it game color and model color classic or whatever, but it has to be EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT WAS. I'm never buying vallejo again. As a production artist I can't use a company that changes their main paint lines. It's Coat D'Arms for me and nothing else. It's over.
>>92575659I made this infographic explaining the best handling method I've come up for the evil bubbling paint so far. I posted it a long time ago when it was first being discussed, but jannies are trannies so I had to go away for a while, but I'm back bitches and so is Lexi so it's gonna get real.
>>92576407>vallajoThere is your problem, give reaper master series paints a go. Their metallic are not great but the rest of their paint range is lovely. Goes on smooth as butter and needs little to no thinning out of the dropper.
>>92576442I've been considering it. All the dropper bottle brands I've found so far with the exception of Warcolours are made in Spain by the Vallejo factory anyway so there's a good chance the same formulas are still present in those other paint lines, but finding exact matches is an expensive pain in the ass. For example one of the most requested colors eliminated from the Color Color Line is Livery Green, a bright yellow green great for glazing and highlights, but because the coverage sucks Vallejo in their great wisdom removed it from the new line so people are looking for a replacement. Well it's found in the D&D Prismatic Paint marketed towards kids as a WizKids paint in tiny bottles that don't tip over as easily. Of course it's more expensive per ml just like the new game color line is, but it's available. The colors are near matches in the WizKid line for the old game colors, but the drying color is a little off. Like the goblin green looks a bit different. I fucking HATE these companies. I can't understand why they can't just make one line of paints FOREVER. It's damn paint. Miniature paint is synthetic. It's a repeatable chemical process. There should be no variation in the colors and concentrations at all and the availability should be stable. Fuck these corporations and fuck Vallejo and Games Workshop. I'm still using the original Citadel Colour, Creature, Monster, and Expert set from 1988 and the paints are still good. And Coat D'Arms has equivalents for most of them however they are much thinner of course. But where's the modern exact equivalent for Worm Purple and Titillating Pink? No where. Because fuck me. That's why. Even Warcolours got the matches wrong although they made great paint and I was going to buy the whole Nostalgia '88 line, but guess what? THEY DISCONTINUED IT. Fuck these people. Seriously fuck them.
>>92576407>uses a polyurethane mediumThat would definitely explain it then. Same thing happens with their primer on small recesses or across gaps. Would work perfectly fine as an airbrush paint but using a regular brush with it would be a massive pain.
>>92576382Can't post a pic right now. (I'm on night shift work) I was using a frayed filbert brush I use for basecoating and a DIY wet palette. I unload excess paint off on a dry ceramic tile, and my go to spray primer is rustoleum black (not the paint+primer variant).>>92576407>The new vallejo game color uses a polyurethane medium that bubbles MUCH MORE than any other paint we've ever seen and what's worse is the polyurethane TRAPS the bubbles preventing them from popping. It's bad paint.How do you know that Vallejo uses a polyurethane medium? Are they ever gonna stop?
>>92576527Yeah it fucking sucks ass man trust me i know the feeling, but i have been using reaper paints now for like...idk shit, 8 years? Its great, it goes on smooth, does not need thinning, and dries super matte as well.Hell the worst thing about them, is honestly some times they are to thin. That and i admit their metallic suck fucking ass, scale 75 probably has the best metallic. That said, i wanna give army painters speed paints 2.0 metallic a try for shits and giggles
>>92576567>How do you know that Vallejo uses a polyurethane medium?You can literally get a chemical sheet from the company if you call them up. This is a law over here in the USA, idk about any other country but in the usa, companies have to prodide fact sheets and disclose all the chemicals they use in a product and manufacturing. Back when i was having really bad skin rashes on my hands while investigating the cause i got some of these sheets from reaper paint for example, nothing in them was the problem.
>>92576602>scale 75 probably has the best metallicThey are fantastic. Easy recommend for anyone looking for good metallics. The only other thing I use occasionally is P3 Pig Iron when I want a nice dark metal. AP metallics are half decent as well but I haven't tried them again for like 5+ years at this point so that might have changed.
>>92576632I thought P3 went outta business. But yes metalics are great from Scale 75, however, as a brush licker, they taste fucking awful.
>>92576550 >>92576567Yep. And I've noticed their polyurethane varnish does it too in recesses sometimes and sometimes it lifts paint or turns white in recesses. I theorize the white phenomenon in recesses is actually micro bubbles trapped in the mixture when it's applied too liberally and vigorously sort of like how the white of a candy cane is made. That candy shit ain't dyed. It's kneaded with a machine in a molten state like taffy is and the trapped air bubbles turns it white and then it's twisted together with the red part of the cane. Fascinating process. So yeah something similar could be happening with the varnish. The thing is when it works it really works giving a nice dull hard layer, but like you said this polyurethane stuff is best suited for airbrush and because it's not non-toxic you have to wear a special mask for it, but it's got to better for you than lacquer paint is. But still vallejo went...
>>92576407I sympathise with the frustration on changing paints. That's one of the reasons I originally stopped used GW paints. They just kept changing them, changing/dropping colours etc. On a related note I've been using mostly AP washes for ages and I'm a bit worried now because of all the reports that they've changed them (despite AP's claims that they haven't) and it won't be long before I'm out of Soft Tone. However all the new VGCs I've used so far have been straight upgrades and I think you'd have to be insane to want the old ones back.
>>92576641>I thought P3 went outta business.No, pretty sure that the P3 line is one of the few revenue stream PP has left.>they taste fucking awfulTrue, and nothing will ever come close to the original Citadel Bleached Bone from the 80's/90's for taste.
>>92576658>and because it's not non-toxic you have to wear a special mask for it,another reason i like Reaper, non-toxic. >>92576686If its wrong basing my choice in paint from the taste, i dont wanna be right.
>>92576658It is a result of the way in which polyurethane is supposed to work, in that as it dries it contracts but also congeals. The problem occurs when it has a surface across gaps or recesses as when it dries it starts to congeal, and if it congeals before the contraction tears the surface it will result in that bubble. Even when it properly tears though it can still result in no paint being left in the recess as it all dried up into that exposed surface. In theory using such a medium is a great idea as it is self levelling and should result in a smoother finish etc. But in reality you end up with the bubbles/gaps unless it is applied evenly via airbrush. It is the reason why the medium should only be utilised in primers.
>>92576658... from a non-toxic game paint formula fine for kids to use to a more toxic formula some precautions should be used with just to appeal to a group of professional paints on youtube that were advising them. You can tell the paint contains the same polyurethane as the varnish does because of the way you can thin it with copious amounts of water before it breaks (which is great by way, but makes the paint so soft you can't catch edges of the model with it or do dry brushing with it) and because according to the label the paint may cause an allergic reaction. I did some research and that chemical is something you can develop a reaction to with repeated exposure and there's a controversy in Europe as to whether it should be banned. It's found in POLYURETHANE varnishes. So duh. We miniature painters don't rub ourselves with the stuff so it's not that big of a deal unless using it in an airbrush, but a fuck ton of these "pro painters" on youtube like to "consume" their paints licking their brushes and sucking on them like thai whores when the u.s. marines arrive. A disgusting habit and a dangerous one. You won't find the ingredient listed on the paint, but it's specifically listed on varnish. The listed more dangerous ingredients are Polyurethane, Synthetic Silicone Dioxide, Alcohol, C11-C15, Secondary Ethoxylated, Butoxylated. If I remember my research from over a year ago the Xylene was the primary health issue and acts as a surfactant. In other words soap. And butos and etho as as a thinner and retarder similar to polypropylene glycol (pg is a food additive and preservative I use for acrylic paint sometimes) but I'm not a chemist so you'd have to double check all that. But no they won't go back. They are making the same changes to their model color line from what I can tell. Absolute insanity. What's so stupid is they could have...
>>92576696Polyurethane isn't the same sort of toxic that is a real hazard like doing something dumb such as putting enamel through an airbrush. A simple P2 or surgical splash mask will be enough to keep out the majority of the polyurethane paint when spraying, and just make sure doors and windows are open so you get some airflow in the room so it doesn't linger. The issue is getting too much of it at once which can affect your oxygen absorption in the lungs for a while. But even then you would need to be a dumbass sitting in a closed room with no mask spraying for a couple hours.
>>92576766>doing something dumb such as putting enamel through an airbrush.Yeah, its one of the reason i fucking hate painting thousand sons, i put on a paint respirator and deal with it. Shits super bad for you, but nothing beat the candy apple red that comes from Enamel paints.
>>92576725... released the same paints as a pro game color and pro model color line without ruining their old lines and nobody would complain because the paint does do certain things very well. For example it can be thinned to an extreme amount without breaking, it stays wet for a long time so it's much easier to mix on the palette and wet blend with, it's self leveling so the finish is extremely matte, and the metallics are amazing since the primary problem with metallics is they dry too fast to get an even application and this stuff solves that, but they should have asked the general public before destroying their old game color and model color lines. That's all. I'm using some of the varnish and a few of the colors myself, but I'm a professional in the comic book industry and I know my shit so I can handle the stuff, but I can't recommend it to new painters at all and that's a damn shame because I used to recommend the game color paint set as the best way for beginners to get started in the art form and I can't do that now. It's too difficult to work with and won't teach the fundamentals of acrylic paint application the right way because it's not acrylic paint. It's polyurethane paint. A whole different beast. The colors though are really nice especially the wine colors like Evil Red and the sky blue called Sunrise Blue so I wouldn't avoid them all together. You just have to understand them and not make them your primary line. They are specialty paints now. And that going to suck for the company when talking market share.
>>92576739This would be a good chance for AP to get a bigger market share if they would just work on unfucking their bottle design and excess medium issues again. The addition of agitators is a good step, as is including a pamphlet about getting rid of excess medium from the bottles, but they could just change the bottle design slightly to be more conducive to shaking and not cram in excess medium and things would be fine.
>>92576780It is really fucking baffling they decided to do this considering they were pretty much the go to brand for tabletop gaming for anyone that wasn't a Citadel drone. And anywhere that sells these sorts of paints has a Vallejo rack. Even with AP getting racks in the same places now Vallejo was still the staple, and had better visibility and price than other better brands that are also starting to show up more and more in store now. Even Scale75 is starting to have racks or dedicated shelves now. Changing what made Vallejo a cornerstone in the market seems likely a really fucking stupid choice to make right now with so much competition readily available.
>>92573326That is a nice blue.
>>92576780>>92576784So with ArmyPainter out of the question (we don't know if their fanatic paints are good or bad yet.) How are AK or AMMO by MIG paints?
>>92576844Regular AP paints are fine as long as you know how to prep and maintain them. Were it not for that caveat I would recommend them as a mainline brand.
>>92576848whats wrong with AP? I never used them other then thier rattle cans once....and it was horrid.
>>92576844Ak 3rd gen are almost all fantastic. Lots of colors, dry matte, bottles seal well. Their white is still a little iffy but you can always get white from reaper or proacryl.
Work in progress on a base
>>92576868Thanks anon. I've heard good things about proacryl so I'll give their white paint a try.
>>92576855Basically there are three issues, all of which are somewhat related. First is they overload the bottle with medium for some reason, meaning that unless you squeeze out the excess initially the paint will be watery shit. They never mentioned that before, though they do include a little pamphlet about it in their sets now. Second is that their bottle design is not conducive to regular shaking via hand, partially because of the excess medium, but also because the top part where the nozzle is is flat rather than tapered/curved. Third is that it gets serious separation, which is something that all paints get to some degree but AP suffers it more. And due to the previously mentioned issues recombination is a pain. To overcome all this you need to squeeze out excess medium from the bottle, ideally when it is separated. Add in a couple agitators (which they have done for the newer paints I believe) to help with shaking and/or use a paint shaker. And lastly if having trouble with the recombination you need to open it up and swizzle inside with something like a paper clip, but from what I have found you only need to do that if the thing has been left idle for months, and agitators + shaker overcomes that need anyway. Besides that they are perfectly fine paints, but without prior knowledge of how paints should behave and troubleshooting methods a beginner would be fucked trying to use them.
>>92576829It feel exactly the same way. Now if you look at the Scale 75 bottles you'll begin to understand they are made by Vallejo too. But the caps have the same problem the old game color and model color caps had. They split at the top and allow the paints to dry. And so there's one major change to the game color line I can FULLY endorse. They significantly improved their dropper bottles in three ways. One the cap is one pieces and tapered in such a way to prevent stress and splitting. That problem should be a thing of the past. Two the nipples inside are thicker and more robust so they won't split like the old ones did and they have a round head allowing you to spread the paint out on your palette with the nipple itself which is super important because that's one of the secrets I discovered about how to pop those blasted bubbles. And three they switched from a polyethlene bottle which has a milky translucent color to a PETG bottle which is crystal clear. We don't know how much oxygen migration there may be over the decades in the PETG bottles, but I don't think that'll be a problem and the increased shelf life from the improved caps and nipples is worth a small price increase. We know more clear bottles will cause more light bleaching on those pigments which are less light fast, but most people don't keep their paints in the sun anyway so I don't consider that much an issue, only that people should be aware of it of they paint by a window. They also added a safety ring to the bottles which is important because the paint is more toxic than before, but I suspect is mostly to prevent them from coming open during shipping if they get squished.
>>92576941The only time I have had issues with S75 caps/nozzles is where I went gorilla mode like a dumbass and pressed whatever I used to piece the nozzle too hard. But yeah they can split which is annoying but relatively easy to overcome. That being said I am sure they could figure out an easier alternative to having to piece the nozzle yourself, either a temporary plug or build a plug into the cap itself. Besides that though I love S75 despite them being a little pricey and I have yet to find anything better for layering/highlights due to how they naturally tone down and blend.
>>92576844I have no experience with any of those brands. I avoid AK because they cucked out on the holocaust art magazine issue called Condemnation, but I've heard the paint is good. I use paints from all of the companies and would probably use their resin primer, but I have enough paints for now. Like I said most of the dropper bottle brands are actually made by vallejo anyway and I love the nocturna series of vallejos. I just think they were stupid to destroy their most important lines of paint. MIG is a very old company and though I don't have experience with it I'm sure it's fine. I'm pretty old myself and used to use Testors and Humbrol enamels and the old Citadel Colour acrylic line and a few companies that don't exist anymore, so I do wonder why more people haven't looked into Testors acrylic line. They have some really nice ghost greys to match the army paints they make. For miniature painting I mostly use Coat D'Arms, but I also use Prismatic, Warcolours, Scale75, Vallejo, Green Stuff World, and even craft paint and oil paints when appropriate.
>>92576965What I do to solve the splitting issue is buy a pack of those Army Painter empty bottles that come with those shaker balls and switch out the caps as they break. It's annoying but hey free shaker balls! https://us.thearmypainter.com/products/paint-mixing-empty-bottles
>>92576780>released the same paints as a pro game color and pro model color lineLGS are not going to stock ANOTHER +2 lines just because and even if they did, there is such a thing as too much choice when it comes to product lines. Someone who doesn't already know what they've buying is going to look at 7+ Vallejo lines and just think "this is too confusing I'm going to buy something else".
>>92576971>I avoid AK because they cucked out on the holocaust art magazine issue called CondemnationThe what now?
>>92576986I have an old airbrush needle I keep around as a tool for scraping or whatever that I found works perfect for putting a hole in the nozzle. Pretty much anything thin and pointy like that seems to work fine. I only got splitting when I used a thumbtack.
>>92576971>For miniature painting I mostly use Coat D'ArmsHow are those paints? I heard those are the original (or as close to the original) Citadel paints from the 90s. I remember watching a Dr. Faust video where he talks about HMG having a quality control problem. Is that problem still persistent? The video is 9 years old now so hopefully it is out of date now.https://youtu.be/XXoWsMlsjTM?t=435
You know, is there like any cheap home made local paints instead of jewish paint like citadel, vallejo, AK, army painter?
>>92577068Pretty much any acrylic based paint can be used for tabletop miniatures. Including cheap craft paint, or proper artist paint. The issue with doing so comes down to pigmentation density and knowing how to work with or correct any issues with the paint, as well as being willing to do more layers for opacity where pigmentation is low. The only reason such paints aren't recommended for beginners is due to the prior knowledge/experience required to make them work well for this. As for hobby paint brands the only one doing jewish tricks is Citadel with their shitty pot design and price per volume.
>>92576991Most sales are online. Besides Vallejo DOES do exactly what you are saying they shouldn't already. They produce paints under different brand names to give an illusion of competition and split their market share stupidly. Instead they should just collapse all those other brands consolidating them into Vallejo Incorporated and have various lines of paint so they only need one style dropper bottle, one label, one shipping schedule. For example Nocturna paints are wonderful. What are they? Vallejo. Green Stuff Paints excellent. What are they? Vallejo. Scale75 great paint. What is it? Vallejo. Prismatic paint is pretty good stuff. I like it a lot. What is it? It's Vallejo of course. See what I mean? They could just be more honest about it and solve their shipping problems by consolidating the brands and making a few different lines with ALL of the colors and ALL of the formulas offered by ALL of the companies so we never have to worry if they'll discontinue one particular color or formula we love. But that's how people thought before communism took over the world and everything went woke and broke.
>>92577136>Nocturna paints are wonderful. What are they? Vallejo. Green Stuff Paints excellent. What are they? Vallejo. Scale75 great paint. What is it? Vallejo. Prismatic paint is pretty good stuff. I like it a lot. What is it? It's Vallejo of course.What hobby paint brands aren't Vallejo so one can avoid the big bad bubbling?
>>92577046I've never had a quality control issue with the Coat D'Arms line except sometimes there's paint on the label like the machine squirted some out accidentally, but I'm guessing that HMG also makes Privateer Press' P3 paints and I have had quality control issues there where some batches of paint were EXTREMELY watery and needed a long time open before they thickened up. I happen to love Coat D'Arms paint because it's just regular acrylic paint and comes in the eternally lasting polyethylene paint pots that have a shelf life of 40+ years, but I'm sure a lot of modern painters would dislike those because they are dropper bottle fan boys. My only real complaint with Coat D'Arms is their medium is thinner than the original 1988 Citadel Colour line. I preferred the more vinyl medium as it was more durable and made dry brushing with metallics easier, but most modern painters don't know how to thin their paints so they've probably struck a balance that is good for most people. A lot of their paints separate, but that's because it's regular acrylic paint that has white added to many of the lighter colors and greys, but their range is extremely robust and they have some beautiful pearlescent metallics they label as "enchanted." That causes some confusion because the Citadel Enchanted Blue was an Iron Blue/Prussian Blue with white added and that matches the Coat D'Arms color "Light Blue" so finding matches for the old Citadel Colour line is a challenge since the naming conventions have changed, but most of the colors do have exact equivalents. Another issue with Coat D'Arms is supply. You have to order them from Black Hat Miniatures in the U.K. or through their only American distributor Scale Creep Miniatures and sometimes they are out of stock so that's annoying, but you get a lot of paint in a pot and the paint lasts forever so you very seldom need resupply. As typical their medium and yellow greens are a bit transparent, but most of the other colors fairly opaque.
>>92577170Ah, well that's the thing. So far the only Vallejo paints that seem to have a bubbling problem are the new game color line since that's the only line that has this new formula, but it seems they are changing the model color line and will probably include the polyurethane medium into those as well so the problem may be spreading, but it seems that for now at least the other brands they manufacture paint for are regular acrylic paints and shouldn't have an issue. I have a feeling more advanced paints like Scale 75 and Warcolours gave them the idea to make a superior acrylic paint that had even more polyurethane than the few gel medium paint brands had, but like with all things too much of a good thing becomes a bad thing so they rushed ahead too quickly with a revamping of their old game color line and ruined it. And they seem to be rushing ahead again with a revamp of their model color line. But for now the other brands are still using the same formula they had Vallejo make for them so I wouldn't avoid them, just be aware these companies for some reason don't understand we need a paint line that will NEVER CHANGE IN ANY WAY so we know we can get the same colours and same formulas year after year.
>>92577225Can you like just paint over it to avoid bubbling?
my first kill team models, testing scheme before I do the specialists. really happy with how these look so far, and thanks to the anons who gave me advice the other week. my headcanon is these turquoise orks are amphibious navy seal boys, and they need atmosphere with high enough humidity to breathe so I'm building them all with masks and heavily rusted weapons. wanted to be a gay contrarian and not do green skin, and I'd painted a practice neurogant with this flesh color that I thought looked cool + a fallout style rusty terminator that gave me the ideadoes this sell as rust? worried pushing the orange further will look too cartoony, went extra light on the gun to not look like a nerf toyalso any critique on the skin ( color scheme and technique as well) , I'm planning on doing slight variations on the turquoise shade for each ork in the team. any inspo pics of interesting flesh ideas are welcome. I'm starting to plan for the other half of the starter kit, maybe vet guardsmen with a red dominant color scheme for a 'red vs blue' look on the table against these orks, but I don't want to do a really edgy red and black look. any suggestions here would be great
>>92576997AK interactive is also a publishing company and releases modeling guides, very nicely produced and photographed. Like Vallejo they are based in Spain (they're probably Vallejo under a different brand name actually). So they released one modeling guide for charity that was pure art called "Condemnation" which featured only models of atrocities around the world. The proceeds were going to be donated to charity and it was very nice. But when the JEWS got wind of it they kvetched and though there were many atrocities depicted only the objections of the JEWS were considered and the book was pulled off the shelves and replaced with a revised edition that didn't include anything about the Jewish holocaust because destroying art is the surest way to teach history and make sure it never happens again according to communists. Now while you can still get the original edition in Spanish you can't get it in English. Only us lucky few have been able to obtain copies of the English first edition which are very rare now. So because AK Interactive cucked instead of telling kvetchers to go fuck themselves they won't be getting any of my money and my copy of the fantastic book "Condemnation" will increase in value.
Printed the free OPR Robot Legion Warrior. Would yall consider this table top ready? I have a hard time making the iconic necron weapon glow.
>>92577255No. The bubbling happens during the painting process and when first putting the paint on the palette. It's like the medium is too physically strong so the bubbles move around within it but never pop as they normally would when breaking through the surface. If you paint slowly it's not too much of a problem, but if you whip your brush like you do when applying a wash they appear and they can ruin your paint job. This is my guide to deal with the issue the best way I've found so far. >>92576438
>>92577302yeah he's ready. If you want to make a glow paint in the middle of the glowing area with a white line and alone the edges that face the glowing area and then let that dry and then apply a brighter version of the same color as you want the glow effect to be transparently over the white and it'll appear that part is glowing. There are youtube tutorials explaining how to do a glow effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGxjc7cdwms
>>92577301>they're (AK) probably Vallejo under a different brand name actuallyDammit. Is there a way to check to verify if a company is under Vallejo or not?
>>92569238Amazing how good old orks can look when painted by people who take their time and paint deliberately as opposed to basecoat+washlets. Great stuff anon, keep it up
>>92569600>this was a joke post
>>92577413>as opposed to basecoat+washletsThat's how I'm gonna paint my 2k point guard army.
>>92569992I think you're going to have a hell of a time getting paint to stick to that, but I hope I'm wrong cause I enjoy seeing people scratchbuild stuff. Maybe paint a thin layer of pva over the rubber surface before priming to provide some sort of nonhydrophobic surface for your prime to stick to
>>92577381Not officially. But most of the companies will mark their bottles as paint manufactured either by Vallejo or in Spain. But again that's not really an issue because the formulas vary. The Vallejo factory is like the HMG factory in the U.K. They make paints for many other companies and brands to their specifications. So as long as those specifications aren't causing a problem there's no reason not to buy their paints just because Vallejo is acting retarded with their own brand paint lines. I still buy Vallejo paints, but I'm not going to recommend them to beginners and I can't recommend beginner sets like I did because it seems they'll eventually discontinue them so they screwed themselves. That doesn't mean they don't make good paint anymore or don't make good paint for other brands. It just means their marketing strategies are retarded as fuck. I'm sure AK paints are great. Lots of people seem to like them. I just don't like how the company cucked out on a free speech issue. That's the same reason I won't buy Citadels with a few exceptions. For example I buy their contrast paints, but I don't buy their main line paints unless somebody is asking me to do some research on them or to do color matching, but I used to highly recommend their corax white spray as a primer as it was the best primer on the market, but again the retards discontinued the best product line they made and now use a smoother brighter white that doesn't bind to the model as well so fuck them. I'll brush prime with Coat D'Arms grey primer mixing with white or whatever color tint as needed or I'll use Army Painters Colour Primer Matt White which seems to work okay. I don't like Vallejo's Hobby Paint as a primer because it doesn't stick to the model and doesn't harden and needs to be varnished before painting can begin, but it's not advertised as a primer. It's advertised as a paint and that's the truth. I'm afraid the new Citadel primers are like that and from what I've read they are.
>>92570678I hate your bases more than any other bases I've seen in ten years of painting. Your guys look fine though
>>92577453yeah PVA mixed with finely ground chalk maybe or just buy acrylic gesso. A few layers of that will probably stabilize the rubber and give it a layer paint can adhere too.
>>92570654>using your valuable hands to carry your miniatures when sweater pockets existHow am I supposed to hold my cane and tip my hat at the ladies if they're full of miniatures
>>92577136Do Vallejo actually own the other brands or is it just a case of they manufacture them under contract with those companies? And is there anywhere that states this? I just want to get some proof rather than relying on potentially schizo rumours or whatever.
>>92577301Lol. I thought that was someone else. The funniest shit though was CB altering 'holocaust' pictures to use for Infinity stuff.
>>92576971>I avoid AK because they cucked out on the holocaust art magazine issue called CondemnationWhat a truly retarded reason to not true something you might enjoy, it's one thing to try a paint and not like it's working properties. It's another thing entirely to boycott a company for something that doesn't affect your miniatures finished quality in the slightest
>>92577530Anon has principles, and AK doesn't which is where he chose to draw the line. It is a perfectly valid choice for him to make, especially considering all the alternatives on the market.
>>92577068>I'm too poor to actually participate in this hobby and instead will blame dajoos We can all agree that they're up to no good and are starting to cause trouble in our neighborhood, but army painter is like 5$ a bottle bro. You can fuck around with craft paints but they're pretty inconsistent even if you purchase two identical bottles of the same brand and colour. Maybe try birdwatching or building sandcastles. Hobbies cost a certain amount of money and while it would be very nice for everyone to be able to do every hobby, it's not very realistic
>>92577436Enjoy mediocrity. Some of us cant
>>92577506Well just research who founded the Vallejo and AK interactive companies to see some indicators they are the same company under different label names. Again I don't really see an issue with that except making separate brands adds to production cost and makes scheduling and shelf spacing more difficult. I want to be clear here; my issue with vallejo's name game color line is that they discontinued their old game color line, not that they made a new kind of paint. That was a retarded move and it sours me on the company. It doesn't mean the paint isn't useful or that other types of paint they use aren't good, it just means I can't rely on the company as a production artist because paints I rely upon might suddenly be removed from the market and I can't take that risk. I need a reliable company that produces the same paints throughout my lifetime. There's a reason a lot of us professionals use things like Liquitex when doing work in acrylics. They publish the pigments right on the label so you know how to color match even if you have to order dry pigment and make paint yourself. I do a lot of that. So maybe my standards are higher than the average miniature painter, but these companies need to raise their standards too and publishing pigment information would be a good start. And miniature paint companies are really resistant to that. For example what the heck is blood red? We know what it's for, but what is it and why doesn't it match the blood red from the other companies. That's a big issue for me. But these companies won't listen to us. They have their own money making agendas and that's fine to a degree, but they could do better.
>>92577530You might have a point if there are no alternatives, but they are plenty of other brands of paint and I can make paint myself if absolutely necessary, so I just avoid brands I don't align with politically. My freedom is worth that.
>>92577588Why don't you make all of your paint yourself if you can just do it yourself so easily. Clearly you're caught up on autistically colour matching despite the fact that there's no artistic merit in doing so. It doesn't make your piece any better to have your edge highlight colour perfectly match another brands colour. The fact that you think you need to follow someone else's footsteps is a sign that you aren't an artist and are just another paint by numbers smoothbrain.
>>92577580My guy that is borderline schizo territory. Paint manufacturing is a specialty business so it is not unknown for companies with the machinery to do it to manufacture on behalf of other companies. Entirely possible that Vallejo owns the plant, but on top of their own line they produce for other Spanish brands to those brand's specifications. It doesn't mean they own them or the mix/formulas used for the other brand's paints. It also isn't unknown for a company founder to move on from a company and restart their own brand for any given reason. I don't think you fears are entirely unfounded in regards to the specific Vallejo lines, but if they are manufacturing under contract for those other brands then they cannot make any changes to those brands/lines themselves. At most they could cancel said contracts and those brands would need to find a new manufacturer but those brands would still retain the mix/formula used which the new supplier would use. It would be better if more people were made aware of the sorts of paints available from regular art supply stores, but there isn't any real monetary incentive for influencers to start pushing that. And ultimately most tabletop brands were made for paying for convenience which is perfectly valid. All you can do is hope that as people gain more experience with hobby painting they are open minded enough to try alternatives out and move on where it makes sense. Well that or come up with a catchy name for the technique of using art supply brands instead so influencers can game the algorithm with it and it gains some popularity.
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>>92577658A very large part of my profession is color matching my fren. I do professional restorations. And I do make a lot of my own paint especially when I work in oils, but to match a Citadel or Ral Partha paint from the late 1980s requires some research and my research is something other people use for things like that.
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Sculpted this
>>92577696>>92577705Is that some sort of filter on the images?
And this(Mad pricker from Vermis)
>>92577699Literally nothing worth restoring has ever been painted with citadel, now you're just being silly
>>92577715Can't recall probably sharpened? Painted these guys
>>92577712>>92577724
>>92577659D&D Prismatic Paint. It's labeled specifically as Vallejo. Check brands made in Spain. They're all vallejos. You're right. Vallejo is making paints for other brand, but since the same formulas are used they have the same warning labels so I'm not crazy. Just noticing. And I'm noticing the prices per mL going up regardless of the brand name. Again there's nothing nefarious in making paint, but they could be a little more honest about it since there's not as much competition in the marketplace as some people think.
>>92577743Sculpted and cast this
Sculpted cast and painted 3 murk sages from Vermis
>>92577696 >>92577712 >>92577724beautiful work fren>>92577732I think serious Games Workshop artists like Bob Naismith and John Blanche would disagree. There's an interesting museum being built that will feature a lot of stuff painted with Citadel acrylics. Unfortunately I think it's being built in Japan. Too far for me to go.
Sculpted, cast and painted these
Sculpted this guyNot my paint job
>>92577756gross! :)>>92577765 >>92577772Great characters.
>>92577785What do you cast in? Resin, lead, plaster?
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>>92577798those are really great. You're using a polyurethane gloss varnish like commonly used for plaster painting?
>>92577795This one is resin. Ramshackle games did it for me. The others I had cast in metal thru a small business
>>92577749My guy, you are showing me an image of a Vallejo brand, clearly labelled as such, and acting like this should be some sort of revelation. This is no different than the distinction between their Game and Model lines for example. Entirely possible that Hasbro/WotC contracted Vallejo to make a specific line branded as D&D to whatever specifications they were given. Pretty sure AP did one of those lines for them as well, but I might be confusing them with someone else. Entirely possible that they weren't given any specifications either in which case the fuck up is Vallejo's, but this is a far cry from Vallejo secretly owning every paint company that produces in Spain.
>>92577568Some of us evidently also can't understand that there may be different priorities when painting models.
>>92577806Uhh these are Vallejo gloss varnish. I'm using enamel gloss recently , not on those models. Fun results. This is a Dr Seuss toy I sculpted onto for an ad&d skulker
>>92577749Just because it's the same factory doesn't make it the same formula. I work in a cosmetics factory and we run probably 500-600 different brand names on our machines and they're all different recipes entirely. We get sent an ingredient list, which includes what the ingredient is, and how much of each ingredient needs to be included. We then order those materials and mix them in house before bottling, labeling and sending them off to the customers distributor. Even silly things that you would assume to be all the same like shampoo for hotels are slightly different in how much alcohol, glycerin, pigments, essential oils, etc.. are added. Pretty much any bottling facility is the same as the machines are pretty bulky and costly to run for just one product so companies come to us to do pretty much everything except the development of the recipe. There's zero chance it's any different for the paint industry as it's the same machines, just with more pigment ingredients going in, and less concern for contamination.
Last update for nowPainted thisYee hawI look forward to sculpting more
>>92577771John blanche and Bob Naismith aren't known at all outside miniature hobbies. Once again. Nothing painted in citadel or miniature paints has ever been accepted by the general public as part of the art world and definitely nothing painted by John blanche is worth restoring, especially if it's a miniature
>>92569782For what its worth I like the left guy. That head really suits the rest of the miniatures post.
>>92577809I didn't say they owned those companies. I said the paint lines are all made by the Vallejo factory. That means Vallejo is splitting their own marketshare over multiple companies complicated the production of paints giving an illusion of competition when there is less than what it appears to be. They could simply consolidate the companies and simplify the workload and the distribution problems, problems they've been complaining about themselves. Look carefully at the labeling. They are all marked made in spain, carry the same warning labels, etc. It's just that the Wiz Kids brand was more honest than the others as to who made their paints for them. They even used Vallejo game color names for their colors which are very close to the game color line colors when dry although not identical. I for one appreciate it because I can get discontinued colors through them and they often have the varnishes and mediums that are out of stock that Vallejo sells through the WizKids D&D Prismatics line. But let's be honest. They cost more than the game color did per mL. That's not cool. There was no reason to change anything. Game colors and model colors were great as they were and putting them into a small less tip-able bottle isn't really a good enough reason to create a whole new line of paints. They could have just put the old game colors in a box designed for kids as a starter set and be done with it. Constantly switching bottle types and labels is just adding to the cost of production. I buy prismatics because they are more like the old game color line. So that means they could have just kept producing the old game color line. Make sense right?
>>92577821that's an awesome model and backdrop. You have a unique line man. You should go into full production mode. I'm sure others would like casts. Yeah the vallejo varnish is polyurethane. It recognized the finish as such.
>>92577872Eh sculpting is my hobby , i don't want to do this as work. I'd eventually like people to recognize my sculpts. Here's another thing I did
>>92577840Your ass is showing. At least run it through an upscale, this is embarassing
>>92577828Agreed. So consider this. Let's say to produce a certain shade of green there is only one pigment that works. That's how that actually works. Chromium oxide for example makes a perfect goblin green. If you use phthalo green the shade is cooler and the paint more transparent. And the medium which is used determines the final drying color and the way it will oxidize over time causing more or less yellowing. So if I need a color that matches one type of goblin green there's only one way to get it, so the formula can't change. So there's zero justification for changing a paint line. Ever. It should be made to one specification and never change. Right?
>>92577861Auction prices disagree. And I can tell you they are very well known in the comic book world and in the illustrator collectors world. Don't belittle these giants. You rest upon their shoulders.>>92577840That's just way too cute.
>>92577565$5 per 17ml bottle is still too expensive, if you're airbrushing a lot its will take like a whole bottle. Meanwhile, jap paints is only $2 for a 18ml bottle
>>92577890If you want proof just ask
>>92577865>That means Vallejo is splitting their own marketshare over multiple companiesThat isn't how production under contract works anon. It has nothing to do with Vallejo and their market share, it is either for reducing their own overheads cost by using their plant time that would otherwise be downtime. Or as an area of consistent profit since they only need to actual as manufacturer in that capacity. Both of those work in their own interests as un or underused specialised equipment is just an unnecessary cost centre otherwise. You are also making assumptions on the difficulty of changing the production lines which isn't necessarily the case depending on the machine setup they have. It can literally be as simple as putting a different label roll on the machine, cleansing the lines, and loading the alternative bottles and caps. None of those are particularly difficult or different to what they would do for their own lines if they have the right setup.What you are getting at is their own brand dilution because they have split their own brand across multiple overlapping lines, whilst also making changes to said lines that is not beneficial to their quality. The only thing that will change that in the long run is a serious downturn in their sales for those lines, or seeing a competitor like AP for example moving into that space with a superior product with people moving to that citing quality issues. It sucks they are making those changes but this does happen from time to time and all you can do it try to find an alternative until they hopefully revert, or you have to move on. There is still a Citadel Foundation paint shaped hole in my heart from losing those.
>>92577890I don't blame you for taking 64% odds though
>>92577890Before you ask about the backdrop, here's how it's done.
>>92577897>So there's zero justification for changing a paint line. Ever. It should be made to one specification and never change. Right? If you care about the price than ingredients sometimes need to change. Supply and demand changes the prices of all the ingredients for all the colours in a line. So just because pthalo green pigment stays the same price, it doesn't mean that thei cadmium yellow has stayed the same price. You need to offset the cost of your whole line so it balances out if you want all products in the line to be the same price. For example we all know purple pigments are fucking expensive, whereas other colours like reds or browns are easier to come by. So if one colour/ingredient spikes enough that they start losing too much on it, they need to rebalance the lines costs
>>92577872>>92577887Forgot to attach image. Sorry for spam.
>one of the schizos that visit every thread and see AI art everywhere is once again proven incapable of actually recognizing his sworn enemyDon Quixote, windmills, all that.
>>92577932Man your parents are going to be disappointed when they pull you down from your ceiling fan and see this, what a truly grand collection of actual pointless trash you've amassed
>>92577995Where did the creativity and expression touch you.Seems to some deep seated trauma.
>>92577929Well Vallejo is the one complaining about production problems. I'm certain making so many different paint lines for different brand names is a large part of that. I never used the Citadel Foundation. I was still using the 1988 line when I got new paints sometime around 2000. The stupid twist tops they resorted to when using the french manufacturer didn't last of course but the paint was pretty good. Sad they feel the need to change so often. The foundation paints were excellent from what I've read.
>>92578018>low tech crayfish aqaurium >even the marimo is rat fuckedDo you put your full effort into anything or is your whole life doing things to a mediocre standard
>>92577976Ingredients don't need to change ever. That's ridiculous. We produce more chemicals per year than ever before and with more high tech machinery that is more efficient. The companies are just gouging us. Inflation is caused by endless money printing, not by lack of supply.
>>92578065If you want the people making the paint on the work floor to make semi decent living wages you can't expect these companies to market paints that cost them exponentially more every year
>>92578066Post deleted cause attached wrong picture. But here's a picture of my crayfish. Just a local one I caught. Do you sculpt or paint? I'd love to see your models. To answer your question, I don't know if I put my full effort into anything. I just do what make me feel relaxed.
>>92578071You're vastly overestimating how complicated grinding pigments, and bottling is. Most bottling machines in North America are well over 15 years old as there's not much to improve on. We've got new sensors as of 25-30 years ago, but the fastest bottling machines run at a set rate as liquids of specific densities only move so fast. You can pressurize your outlet to only a certain point, and can move your conveyors to a certain speed before your getting splashes and spills which fuck up your sensors, cause jams, cause issues with labeling, or the packing machines. Even the top of the line machines have a top end they can run on certain densities of liquids and bottle sizes before things go haywire. As much as it sounds simple to mix liquid, pot liquid in bottle, close bottle, label bottle, and but bottle in boxes, it is at the end of the day a process, that certain steps need the time to do. You'd be surprised at how fucked things get if you try and change the speed of a sticker machine. You suddenly need stronger backing tape, different glue, different sensors, different conveyors all of which has to play nicely with the other parts of the line. Every part of the product plays into the manufacturing of a product
>>92577995I hope things turn around for you, anon.
>>92578074Incorrect. As volume increases production costs go down because ingredients can be bought in larger quantities and shipping costs go down. There are more miniature painters now than ever before. The prices should be plummeting.>>92578114Of course, but refusing to reinvest in the company by expanding machinery is a company problem. Not a customer problem. The companies say "we can't make new machines because if demand falls we're stuck with new machines sitting idle" and then when demand increases they say, "you can't expect us not to charge more for the same product because demand is higher." It's called Jewing and I don't tolerate it. A serious company plans ahead and buys machinery that will give them a production edge as the market grows. They don't bitch about having old stuff. If I acted that way in my job I'd be fired.
>>92577266I like the colour scheme. My personal preference is for more orangey rust but I think what you've got is still within acceptable bounds if you prefer that colour.
>>92578107Your crayfish is fat enough for me to stop picking on you. Get bro some more efficient filtration plants tho. And bring that marimo behind the shed, dude is in pain
>>92578163Tank is filled with frogbit and duckweed among other plants. Also have a sponge filter. Here's when I first caught him. I'veHad him for two years. I take care of itAlso any crayfish model recommendations? I have only one and I'd love more. Metal preference.
>>92578071the entire consumer oriented paint production is fucking peanuts compared to industrial applications. the vallejos and goldens and winsor and newtons can only buy chemicals and pigments because there's industrial demand for those. dupont isn't going to make batches of some specific acrylic resin just for golden because of opportunity cost.
>>92578129Here let's make this very simple. You are the machine. Take your tube of toothpaste. Squeeze a specific amount into the cap, just enough to fill the cap to the brim. Get it as precise as possible as long as it takes you to do so as not to spill any. Now scoop that bit out and try to get the exact same amount in as fast as possible. Notice how it becomes difficult to dose that amount as precisely as you did before with the higher speed. How do you improve the speed and keep the consistency of your dosages without spilling? Well you can increase the sensitivity of your eyes, or the sensitivity of your hands to stop in time. So say we did that and we've reached the point where the reaction time of your hands and eyes are maxed out at the current edge of human capabilities (as of right now). Okay we can either change the toothpaste, or maybe the tube, or maybe even the cap or we can evolve as a species to have faster reaction times. Engineering is about hitting the edge of what's possible and when you can't go any further at the moment you look elsewhere. Right now, we are at the point where all of the mechanical bits and sensors are about as complicated and sensitive as they can be, while still being able to run 24 hours a day, or be wiped off if a spill happens, or to stay at an operating temperature that keeps the product similar enough that people still buy it
>>92578218I don't know of any metal models but I think there's some gacha articulated plamos by fujimi out there for crays
>>92578258Here's a simple solution that will blow your mind. BUY A SECOND MACHINE. These are the same excuses the ammunition companies are making as the government is regulating the industry so the government doesn't get the blame for the outrageous prices and low supply. I'll tell you this once more. I don't tolerate Jewing. If there's demand there's adequate funds to expand production. PERIOD. That's how business works. Excuses are not allowed in my presence. If they want my money they have to charge a reasonable price and have a continual uninterrupted supply chain. That's all. Simple as. Once and done. No excuses.
>>92578279so, double your workforce to maintain said machine too? and how about doubling all the suppliers to match your new production speed? or you're wasting half your production time.what about the logistics of getting all those extra products out to the locations they're bought at, what happens when people stop buying as much and you end up with a huge pile of product and all the machines to make more, AND all the staff, half of which you no longer need.i get what you mean, but these things don't exist in a vacuum, and for most companies selling out is better than sitting on exes stock, even if it does mean loosing out of possible profit.
>>92578301Again as long as there is demand there is plenty of money to expand. The economics of low volume are less efficient than the economics of high volume. Costs go DOWN as volume increases. They don't go up. Have you ever run a business? Shippers charge you less if you ship more volume and more often. Suppliers give you discounts and will increase their own production to meet market demands and they'll give you priority and exclusivity if you can put in large enough orders because is MORE EFFICIENT for them to deal with one customer delivering product to one location than to split the shipments and orders among multiple customers and multiple locations. And you just tipped your hand says "what happens when demand falls." We never hear this excuse from the government. It's always ENDLESS GROWTH IS POSSIBLE! And we never heard this excuse before 1995 from corporations. Pepsi, Coke, McDonalds, KFC, Nintendo, SEGA, Ford, Shell Oil, every major corporation knows there's an endless supply of people and that further growth is always possible. How many miniature painters are there in the U.S. do you think? There are 320 million people. I suspect there's room for growth. A lot of growth. Western Europe? Same. South America same. Africa same. Eastern Europe same. The far east same. The near east? Same. Don't give me excuses. Give me more customers. Expand the customer base. It's not hard. Make cool minis for people to paint that reflect the cultures you are targeting and set them at a reasonable price and show them how to paint and the market grows. Done.
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>>92578346You pay less per unit/volume/whatever if you buy higher volumes, yes, but you're still paying for more, in the end your expenses rise. And a rise in work volume can still not be enough to cover the additional costs.>Have you ever run a business? I do and I've seen my fair share of competitors going too big too fast, doubling their expenses hoping to double their gains, then work didn't increase that much or didn't increase at all, so they rolled over.>MORE EFFICIENT for them to deal with one customerAnd more risky in case you expand to accomodate that customer and then you're kept hostage by his whims and demands, because if he leaves you have unused space and machinery. That can be partly avoided by vallejo selling to retailers and individuals but it's still a risk.>Expand the customer baseThat's something that companies have been trying do do for years by changing their products and their marketing, with various degrees of success, especially in niches.I get where you're coming from, but things are not always that simple.
>Buying a lot of paints and strange hobbyist equipment>No money to buy model anymoreWhat now?
>>92578414Paint something else. And I seriously doubt you can't start with some green army men or plastic toys at dollar stores. And if you can afford that, getting a box of historicals is not that much of a jump. Or get minis in a smaller scale. You can have whole 6mm armies for the price of a single 28mm box.
>>92578399It's true the total cost of expenses goes up, but that cost is already factored into the percentages. That's why profits are calculated on tax forms AFTER expenses. So if cost goes up this year you don't get dinged for it. Risk is the name of the game in business and venture capitalism. Hence the word "venture" as in "adventure." It's exciting to roll the dice. Like you said risking your business stupidly isn't wise because a lot of people can be out of work if the business fails, but we're not talking about huge expenditures here. We're talking about adding one machine, hiring five more workers, renting one more industrially zoned property. As far as the expenses international businesses normally pay for it's not significant. And there's a world out there to win. Let's go win it.
>>92578414Find a friend with a 3d printer fren. And make him work for you. Feed him well, but not enough to have enough strength to escape the plantation and you'll have free minis all year around.
>>92578346You seem to think that doubling your production efficiency is 1:1 with product demand. It isnt. If that was the case every time coca cola bought a machine their profits would double, but there's people out there who only want to drink pepsi and aren't ever going to drink coke because they don't like how it tastes. You're naming ford as one, there's a reason ford makes truck's and cars and all sorts of stuff, because there are die hard fans of ford who will never buy a chevy, even if chevy made a car that perfectly fit their needs. Now if chevy is suddenly making twice the cars does that mean twice the amount of people suddenly want them? No. Some guys gonna want a chevy, another wants a fiat, another wants a ferrari, and then there's ford guy. There's no magic double your profits button you can press when producing a product, there is always a cutoff point where you've hit your market share, and either need to change your product to get more people interested in your cars, or be happy with making the same amount as you did in 1908 or whenever the model t rolled out.
>>92578428I have no knowledge about vallejo's plant, do they have the space to put more machinery? Or are they like GW where they're at full capacity?
>>92578346i've run a small scale canteen, and the biggest issue was braking even once things scaled beyond 5 staff, customers were still out the door, so we had to scale up the actual location, but doing so cost more than we got back in the increased business so we had to cut back on the plans to increase staffing to match the customer availability, which meant we couldn't keep up with demand, leading to a decrease in business since a lot of them began going elsewhere.covid was a blessing in that regard, gave us a good excuse to just shut it all down when we still had the cash to make sure our staff weren't fucked over.in a perfect world when we moved to the larger location, we would have hired another 4 staff, matched demand and maybe grown more, but even in hindsight the cash just wasn't going to stretch far enough to get everyone trained, and cover any of those fun things like major repairs to a new building (fuck GeoCon).the problem isn't if theres enough money eventually, its about if there will be enough money NOW to make sure you get to later.
>>92578436Ah but consider how Coke took over the world. It built new factories near to third world country customers to keep their shipping and labor costs low and they continued to market even to third world countries adjusting the price of their product to the local economy. So yeah I do think there's pretty much a production efficiency of one to one if it's done correctly. I wouldn't buy some weird mexican coke flavor, but they will and that's all that matters. So growth potential is from a practical standpoint endless because you can always market to new customers and the cost of advertisement is cheaper than ever with things like youtube and printed flyers. Companies today overlook a lot of benefits of the modern age and don't take advantage of it. I can say the miniature companies are taking full advantage of youtube advertisement, but they are also fucking themselves over by going woke at the same time hurting the good will they built up with pleasant product demonstration presenters. They can do better. It's not hard. Don't insult your customer base. Don't go woke. Just return to the fundamentals of business and sally forth and let the wind take you across the seas.
>>92578459Hey anonTwo of the people telling you you may be wrong have claimed to run businessed.Do you run a business? are you a Reddit investor who got lucky with GME and now think you know all about business? are you a boomer who worked some low level job in a major company, and part of your retirement fund relies on you posting online about how big corps are good?where does your endless expertise on Spanish hobby paint manufacturing come from?I'm perplexed man
>>92578452Of course. Because that's an in-person business where location is critical. That's not the case for miniature paint where orders are mostly online. What would have been more wise, but more expensive initially would be to have a second location instead of moving your initial one. And that's a matter of having sufficient capital and being able to find an ideal location. Thankfully a lot of commercial properties are empty now so location availability is at an all time high, but government regulation is also at an all time high and covid proved the government can shut down your business driving everybody into actual suicide at their mere whims since the constitution is just a piece of paper and we are led by tyrants with guns and the endless resources of the federal reserve bank. A lot of miniature companies also did well during the covid hoax because people were forced by guns into their homes and had nothing better to do in their comfortable prisons. All our efforts should be focused on enacting Nuremberg 2.0 instead of painting, but I know the world isn't ready to hear that yet. It'll take another two generations before we can begin those trials and reclaim what was stolen from us.
>>92578477I do run a business and a large part of my business relates to color, pigment, and art so I know a lot about those subjects and the suppliers of those kinds of things. Let's just say if you needed any kind of art work or hollywood production done for a major licensed property that would be something I would be involved in.
put on a trip so I can filter you jeremiah
>>92577461Thank you for the explanation. Instead of taking a deep dive into AK interactive paints I'll buy a small amount of their paints and paint a single miniature with them. If they don't have a bubbling problem then I'll stick with them.
>>92578511so then pitch your idea to Vallejo, float them the capital to buy the new machines in return for a cut of the profits until your initial investment is repaid.I'm sure it would be worth it as you've done all the research to make sure it would be the best option.
>>92578435I found some local nerd with a nice 3D printer but he asked me for 6 dollars for one 75mm mini. Is this a good price?
>>92578554No problem. I don't think they'll have an issue. I've only heard of the new game color line from vallejo as having this issue and for some painters it's not a problem anyway. It doesn't cause much of an issue for me anyway, but others have complained about it.>>92578558If I had the capital I would start a paint company of my own. There's certain colours nobody wants to make.>>92578578That's not bad actually. Resin isn't cheap and there's wear and tear on the printer, some parts have to be replaced occasionally and some are kind of expensive and alcohol isn't cheap and the whole cleaning and curing process is messy and hazardous. You may get reaper minis cheaper occasionally, but not usually and you'll probably like the printed ones more. Just be aware resin is more brittle than plastic. You drop the mini and it'll break.
>>92578593>That's not bad actually. Resin isn't cheap and there's wear and tear on the printer, some parts have to be replaced occasionally and some are kind of expensive and alcohol isn't cheap and the whole cleaning and curing process is messy and hazardous. You may get reaper minis cheaper occasionally, but not usually and you'll probably like the printed ones more. Just be aware resin is more brittle than plastic. You drop the mini and it'll break.So the 3D print meme being a replacement for plastic minis was a lie all along by disingenuous grifters? Shocked I am.I'd hate having a gaming piece break because it fell off the table or whatever.
>>92578601yes and no. Brittle, but better, higher detail and easier to customize in a 3d art program and a heck of a lot cheaper. I can make like 3 minis with a one inch square base at a time for like 10 cents. Of course that's not counting labor cost, just my own expense. And I don't play official games so I just want things to paint and that works out well for me.
Glad /pol/ was here to unravel the great spanish model paint conspiracy and impress his business acumen upon us.
>>92578620Jewish paint pls go and stay go
>>92578593He saying he will cut and sand the 3D print mini and UV wash it too, idk
>>92578610Oh I definitely wish I could have a 3d printer but yeah, I mostly just paint anyway. Yet for games plastic is still king, stuff can be basically thrown and come back in one piece. I know I threw a model the other day by mistake with lots of thin spindly shit and nothing broke lol.
Why the heck is Acrylic paint more expensive than lacquer?
>>92578633Well like I said it's not bad at all. If you think about it a reaper mini can be as much as $10, and sure it's more durable, but the detail is lacking and you get less options. Go ahead and get a couple from him and see how it works out. Just remember resin doesn't prime as well so you might have to varnish your priming layer depending on the kind of primer you use.>>92578639No doubt. They do make a flexible resin that is more durable but resolution suffers. Some 3d guys experiment with adding a little to their regular resin and that does help. There are always compromises no matter what. I still prefer to paint on real lead figures, but they have issues too.>>92578641Because lacquer is made by... lackeys? Heck if I know.
>>92578593>>92578601>>92578610>brittlethat's user error, yes regular printing resin is brittle, that's why you use the resin adequate for the purposeif you are not a noob or research a bit you would discover you can use certain resins that are less brittle or mix them yourself, like mixing a bit of flexible resin with regular oneso yeah, you can get printed minis as durable as hard plastic, even as bendy as pvc miniatures, without sacrificing detailsee https://youtu.be/qYHFbdNr9Vw?feature=shared&t=2619ignore the fact that hes shilling his product and see how the model doesn't break, and no you dont need 'his own resin' to achieve that
Why do people put blood effects onto their minis and ruin them? I hate this fucking childish trend.
>>92578641probably because the formulation is harder, lacquer is toxic so theres no point in trying to use nontoxic pigments and you dont need biocides to prevent mold since the solvent already does thatwith acrylics most companies try to use non toxic pigments wich are harder to source and develop and need to ensure you paint dosen't grow a mushroom in the pot without fucking up the paint consistency and propertiesbut hell if i know
>>92578673I like it when it's not overdone. It's usually overdone.
>>92578677Lacquer paint is so much better especially metallic lacquer than acrylic its not even funny
>>92578683I've never used a metallic lacquer. I've heard they're great though.
>>92578683alcohol based metallics are great too
Anyone here know how to do good battle damage? I'm trying again after many failures and this is what I've got.My first idea for improvement:>Sponge on black and paint metallic inside that to add depth to the scratched-off paintAny other ideas? I've been painting clean Orks in fear of ruining a nice paintjob with shitty damage
>>92578620It's the resident professional senile retard.Like clockwork comes in with his shit takes on paint manufacturing and various other shit full of half truths.There always seems to be the one guy full on agreeing with everything which is probably the same guy responding to himself.This is the way of /wip/
>>92578791look up some tutorials for weathering for scale tanks
>>92578673Having adolescent taste is just part of adolescence. I remember back in the day I gave a necron lord a decapitated space marine head to hold with green stuff gore coming out the bottom.
>>92578839That's not adolescent. I'm sure he killed the space marine in a very mature way.
>>92578823Did that. That's where I'm getting the idea of the black-to-metallic. Otherwise, most of the information I've gotten from tutorials is the same. I wanted to know if there is anything I'm missing for this specific model.
>>92578839I had my eldar wraithlord walk an ork with a chain leash.Idk lol
>>92578269>Get in the fucking crustacean Shinji
I miss when the resident thread schizo was a dude posting lumpy dwarf asses miniatures and malding and threatening people when confronted
>>92578673It's this man's fault. Nobody did it before him. ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0dQEhwjrtk
>92579170>2h agothis is spam
>>92579256No it's not. I posted it in response the blood comment. At the end of the video he does a lot of blood.
>>92576179>mandalorianhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4D-xjfjFFo
>92579323>nobody did it before him>ppl painted blood on weapons and stuff since forever>channel started in 2018it is spam, or you are retarded, either way we dont want your bridge
>>92569698Leave it alone! It hasn't grown it's dwarvern beard yet.
>>92579401Saying nobody did it before him ever is sarcasm. Learn to appreciate it.
>>92577932big doofus with club in the bottom left is great
>>92577995That's a cool a vibrant shelf. We're here to have fun. You're inability to do so is not anyone else's problem.
I haven't got a slightest idea about what colors i should put on this guy
>>92579605that's amazing
>>92579695What?
Hopefully not too late in the thread. Got tired of finishing all the little details across the whole team so I just focused on one Flesh Golem for the necromantic team. Probably my favorite out of the box.Only question now will be how/where to number it. But I may wait until the rest of the team is done so I can number them all at once.
>>92579724The model. It's great. Disgusting, but great.>>92579857Excellent coloring and texture work fren. Powerful.
>>92579857My favorite solution are either numbering them organically (shirts, shoulder pads, etc), or making little number plates for the rims.
>>92577995Unlike the others I'm just going to call you a cunt lol.
>>92578066Rough night shift again friend?
>>92578107>>92578218didnt know we could post about wip dinner here
>>92579857Left shoulder seems obvious, maybe the right side of his shorts as well. Could also write JUICY across his ass but YMMV there.
>>92579170Why did you cheat on and leave the mother of your two children Midwit?
>>92578218Otherworld miniatures has one
>>92580185Ask him. Not me. I don't know these people. haha.
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