Brainstorm Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/march-11-2024-banned-and-restricted-announcement>Official News:Magic: The Gathering publisher hires Pinkerton to seize leaked cards from YouTuber’s househttps://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/trading-card-game/news/magic-the-gathering-aftermath-youtube-prompts-pinkerton-investigation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is E D H?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>Previously:>>92615383>TQThoughts on the MH3 leaks so far?
>>92621887>Cards that let you pay life for an effect are bannedEasy fix.>TQNucropotence needs banning, blue Magus is going to make for more non-games than ever, Coliseum will never be used in a fair deck.Basically everything I expected.
>>92621884>TQyeah sure... "leaks"
>>92621906The cringe is unreal
>>92621906>I know, lets hide the mana cost, one of the most important parts of a card, while "leaking" itCompletely organic leak, totally not just a spoiler pretending to be a leak in order to create hype.
medallions are a great addition to modern, but literally nothing they can do will make me play that shit format instead of legacy
>>92621950>medallions are a great addition to modernI mean, they're literally unplayable but then again that's the big problem with these sets isn't it.
>>92622006Ruby Storm can exist in a weaker form
>>92621906>wotc leakers legitimately paid to not fit the rectangle peg in the rectangle hole
>>92621906Why the hell make this pic? How much Jews paid this person to look retarded to the whole internet? Also>Powercreep TarmagoyfThis is the bottom of the barrel i'm glad is fucking Commander.
I feel like there's going to be an eye of ugin replacement coming through They already showed they don't give a fuck, they reprinted Necropotence under a new name, printed Kappa Cannonier into modern, and printed Cephalid Coliseum into modern We're getting 'fixed' eye of ugin that's going to make sense of the new Eldrazi
>>92621906>>92621927Leave the leakers to us
>goyf is now a commander memeI know the old magic is dead but I wasn't ready for goyf to become a commander meme. My friend financed his entire legacy collection by flipping goyfs at a 900% profit.
>>92622166Goyf has been a meme for foreverThey've been printing new Goyfs all over the place and surprise, they're all shit
>>92622166>Goyf now reduced to a token subtheme in the Jund commander precon in the Modern Horizons set
>>92622174>foreverI played during the era of Canadian Threshhold. Goyf used to be king. Counterbalance Top the name of the game. Pic related was main board playable.
I hope the leaker is a Brazilian and everything gets leaked by next friday
>>92622166>goyf is now a commander memei was laughing at this during the fallout spoilers
>>92622144please rotate image 42degrees, it does not meet leak specifications
>>92621906Which former Modern lynchpin will they desecrate next? Delver? My money's on Arcbound Ravager
>>92622202That card's probably shitIt's a heavy mana investment to make mediocre sized creature tokens at a snails pace Even in the more casual of commander games, there's definitely ways to make better tokens faster
>>92622202>Kindred enchantment>Lhurgoyf Aura>Tarmogoyf tokenHow is it possible to feel this much physical pain from """organic""" leaks this early.
>>92622258>some of the worst art in the gameno, recent art has been a whole lot worse. kaladesh had great aesthetics.
>>92622166The Jund and Eldrazi decks are both leaning on those as iconic parts of Modern history, with Eldrazi Winter being at least as memorable as Jund's run despite its shorter duration. I have no clue what the fuck is going on with the other two, though. Energy was Standard, and it was Temur, and I don't even know what the UG one is supposed to be. Bogles?
>>92622300I think the Simic deck is changeling stuff? Not really sure how that hearkens back to anything in specific.
>>92622293I can't quite pin down the emotion on Jace's face. It's like the mona lisa
>>92622258You are a faggot anon. Leave and never come back with such shit taste.
>>92622258>Some of the worst art in the game>posts what is possibly the best demon art in the gameGetting mixed messages here, anon.
>>92622300>>92622309pretty sure simic is supposed to be tron. one of the commanders gives lands all land types, so a single tron land will be active even without all the others. as for the energy deck, i have no idea. the standard assumption seems more reasonable. was there ever an aetherworks marvel deck in modern?
>>92622311It's MEANT to be, I guess, screaming in anguish both for himself being lost to phyresis and for the worlds he's potentially condemning to the Sylex's effects, but... Yeah, it's not good.It's also still my most hated story beat in a long while, because the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of the strike team was "blow up the Sylex" and then Kaya and Kaito go "but what about OTHER WORLDS". The narrative needed Jace to be in the wrong but didn't do nearly enough at the time to convince people that he was. And then Elspeth just kind of 'knows' he's in the wrong and stabs him.
>>92622311He's singing anon.
>>92622271>>92622293>>92622314>>92622318Kaladesh looks like Indian WoW.Anyone who likes WoW art is subhuman.
>>92622334>one of the commanders gives lands all land typesThat actually sounds like a really good time..
>>92622338I can forgive Kaito for being retarded, his waifu was at stakeKaya has no excuse
>>92622344>Kaladesh looks like Indian WoW.are you faceblind, too, anon? saying it "looks like wow" invalidates any argument you could have because those two things look absolutely nothing alike.
>>92622344As i said time to take that shit taste and leave. Also go see a doctor because is clearly terminal.
I just woke up to find out Brainstorm is modern legal. Thanks for reading my text.
>>92622383You could argue it's Kaya and Kaito's Black-alignment coming to the forefront, with their selfishness to try and save their own worlds over saving ALL of the worlds, but yeah.Like, Jace is only in the wrong retroactively because it turns out "oh, the Phyrexians are actually kind of ineffective at large-scale conflict". Hell, Jace himself seems to come to the realisation that Norn is a fucking moron moments after he's stabbed. That's fine, I don't actually have a lot of problems with "Norn sucks at this actually".But nothing diegetically makes Kaya and Kaito seem justified in stopping the ONE THING they went there to do. Phyrexia doesn't win in ONE by actually doing anything, they win because the heroes just kind of fuck up and then just actively refuse to do the thing they wanted to do.
kaladesh was kino because of the spirals everywhere. we've already had junji ito do art for the game. now we just need a return to kaladesh with junji ito doing the showcase art for the set.
>>92622414The set symbol and code was never shown, so a good chance it's a Commander card. Or possibly on the List for some reason.
>>92622414it isn't, just like kappa cannoneer. they are just in the commander decks.
>>92622429or top tier bants by the leaker
>>92622414we don't have confirmation yet, the leaker has given no actual info (set code, set symbol, set watermark etc) he could've just shoved a random brainstorm in there to mess with people
>>92622414If they seriously put Brainstorm or Kappa in the true real Modern will be the final confimation this faggots don't care anymore about the fucking format.
>>92622318>Best demon art in the gameLet's not get ahead of ourselves here.
>>92622486I like this version of the OG.
>>92622202>>92621906>please please please we're sorry we killed Jund and killed OG modern. Will one of these bring it back!?!?!
>>92622391I said Indian WoW, not WoW.>>92622404I don't listen to WoW subhumans.
>>92622318>>92622486>>92622498for me it's aby
>>92622429>>92622431>>92622447>>92622452I don't like mass replies, sorry in advance. I just got send this. Btw, I'm no insider, just some rando. Didn't saw it in the past thread but maybe it was deleted?
>>92622552that doesn't look remotely legitimate
>>92622552Fake as fuck
>>92622338>The narrative needed Jace to be in the wrong No, it didn’t. It needed the plan to not succeed. Which is, in and of itself, fine. The plan could fail. Make it fail for any number of reasons. But don’t make some of the heroes randomly decide that their entire plan for the last three sets was actually something that they shouldn’t do.You know what they could have done? Have Jace be compleated like three minutes earlier, take the Sylex, and prepare to route it through Realmbreaker to devastate defenses on untold worlds. Now Elspeth has to take it away from him not because the plan was unsound, but because he was going to twist it to help their foe. Then everything else proceeds normally.
>>92622552That’s a mock-up.
>>92622548I play demons, I fling them. Simple as.
>>92622552where is the collector number and set code? are you even trying faggot?
>>92622552stop shilling your shitty proxy instagram, no one cares
>>92622552Embarrassing
Ok, I now feel stupid but also informed. Domo arigato.
>>92622552That's it, the final coffin Manmade horrors 3 is gonna unironically and literally kill Modern
>>92622552you gotta try harder than that
>>92622546>I said Indian WoW, not WoW.Anon that is still just WoW.
>>92622546>I said Indian WoW, not WoW.you still said wow, faggot. it looks nothing like wow. putting "indian" in front of it doesn't make what you said valid.
>>92622614I wasn't baiting, I just woke up and my bro had sent me that. I'll crop the image next time so as not to be confused with a shill.
>>92622552Not enough bro, not enough.Reply to the email to the faggot that send that to you: If you want to make people panic you need to be smarter.
>>92622622>>92622635It does look like WoW. The style, the colors, the plasticness. Kaladesh has it all.
>>92622546the only subhuman, terminalshitaste-retard in this thread seems to be you, faggot. Go cry about WoW elsewhere.
>>92622205Look at my based oldfag over here. Goyf had a great run. It lasted a long time as a great card. Much better than Morphling who was really only good for a couple years before getting dethroned by Tog and played nowhere. Even Werebear, who Goyf replaced, lasted twice as long as Morphling did.
>>92622648It really doesn’t. There’s no overlarge, bulky pauldrons, no mishmash of spikes and Fischer Price castles, really none of the hallmarks of WoW’s style>colorsIt’s bright and colorful, but you aren’t seriously insinuating that anything colorful is automatically WoW, are you?
>>92622658I grinded UG Madness like a mad man. god the deck was so much fun.
>>92622678nah it seems the only one hurted by Kaladesh superb quality is you, shittaste-kun. Sorry your choices and values are wrong.
>>92622205Nimble Mongoose, take me back...
The lack of black characters in the leaked cards is...concerning
>>92622741Oh the guilt
>>92622741we're getting into sets designed starting late 2022, well past peak woke
I, for one, welcome our new 8x necropotence overlords
>>92622741Thank God.
>>92622552Anon...
>>92622776thank god I already got my playset of bowmasters, this shit is gonna be everywhere
>>92622776yawg bargain isn't even broken6 mana is a lot, and if you can cheat out bargain, you can cheat out emrakul
>>92622776"you have no maximum handsize" trumps this, right? Or would it have to be played in a specific order?
>>92622776What can you even do with it when your hand limit is 5? Explain to me.
>>92622787I already have my Sheoldred on the field, it's too late for you
>>92622780I'm on my way to Tojinbo.
>>92622803Both are applied in the same layer so it's a question of timestamping. Play Nucropotence then Reliquary Tower and you have infinite hand size, do it the other way around and your hand size is 5.
>>92622803i think time stamps matter. if it was written "your maximum handsize is reduced by 2," then reliquary tower would trump it, but as written i think timestamp matters. not 100% positive, though.
>>92622819The hand size limit is such a non-downside for what you're getting that I'm going to pretend your post is ironic.
>>92622803You follow timestamp order, so the newest game piece takes priority
>>92622202>KindredYou know if they’re going to be insistent on removing the word ‘tribe’ from the cards at least the replacement isn’t cringe ‘typal’t. Native American
>>92622837What are you doing in modern at instant speed?
>>92622867I've been spending hours looking for instant speed things you can do in black in Modern. I think this card might be pretty good but I'm not sure.
>>92622873If you actually use LOTR cards you deserve to get bullied and thrown out of the building.
>>92622847>t. Native Americanthey didn't remove tribal for your sake. it's more about the historical context of anthropologists of yesteryear using the terms "tribal man" to other the african tribesman and indigenous australians. >>92622874faggot.
>>92622873That doesn't work.
Fastest a jannie has moved since he fell out of the womb.
>>92622890>Draw 5 cards in my end step>Oh no now I have 6 in hand>Cast the Bowmasters in my hand>Go to clean up, only 5 cards, don't have to discard?!
>>92622867>>92622873>>92622890im losing braincells reading this
Nucropotence is going to enable the absolute fucking nuts off all of the zero mana Madness cards that are incoming.
>>92622897That does not win the game...>>92622900How the fuck do you win? Tell me.
>>92622920ancestral recall doesn't win you the game but it draws you a lot of cards for cheap so it's generally considered good as it puts you much closer to winning than you were before.
>>92622920There's plenty of possible decks to build, including removal of maximum hand size, even then just a card advantage engine with sheoldred + bowmasters it's fucking strong.
>>92622920nta but MAYBE weather the storm/some other storm card they inebitably print in mh 3.0 you can (not) go back
>>92622951The scary thing is that some of the best things to be doing with it are in mono black already so you're free to splash whatever the fuck you want.>Refills your hand after Grief/Thoughtseize>Synergy with Sheoldred>Can cast Bowmasters/Push end step so you have one less card to discardFree spells and top quality instants are what you want, not that it's going to stay legal for long. Necropotence is banned in Legacy and this is BASICALLY just Necropotence. Though maybe it will stay legal, it'll sell packs that way.
>>92622568Yeah, that'd probably have been better. I think they wanted Jace to still make the choice to set it off to set up his antagonist arc he's currently in, though, where he's pushing far more on the needs of the many sort of deal.
>>92622946>>92622951>>92622955Got it. There's no way to win the game on the spot.>>926229813 mana do nothing is bad. If it just ends up drawing cards it's not worth it.
>>92622867
>BBB>Sorcery>Lose 7 life. Draw 7 cards.What a bad card, this wouldn't see a shred of play anywhere.
>>92622617Why do leakers are always unable to take good quality photo?
>>92623030but who was phone?
>>92622258I think Kaladesh is one of the best and most original looking planes Magic has.
>>92622994>If it just ends up drawing cards it's not worth it.Nigga BEANS was a top modern card. It got fucking bannedThis is literally just Necropotence, there's basically no cost to it. You will likely win in the next two turns after this comes down, maybe the next turn. Drawing cards is one of the strongest things you can do in magic
>>92623030this is WoTC's interpretation of what a leak should look like
>>92623030They are being shaken down by pinkertons.
Wouldn't it be crazy if there were things you could do at instant speed in Modern when you have a surplus of cards that can also gain you life so you can draw more cards next turn.
>>92623030Really tells a lot about the person taking the photos if he can't take proper shots in the comforts of his own home.
>>92623065Home? Anon that was the WotC office.
>>92622994Sure, in the same way that Griselbrand and Atraxa are bad.
the only deck I know of that wins games at instant speed is high tide and that card isn't modern legal
>>92622994You will never be a good magic player
>>92623075One of them was on top of a bed with dirty sheets
>Yeah you can draw 14 cards on T1, but how do you win the game???
>>92623082no, he is going to be a world champ with his ability to pretend to be retarded. going to bait and tilt opponents to their doom
>>92622617guarantee the mh3 team is full of fishfuckers
>>92623086woah 14 cards and 0 mana I'm so scared!
>>92622684Yeah that deck was based. >>92622789Bargain is really weak desu. Worse than Necro, regardless of all the "fixed Necro" memes. Six mana is just way too expensive. Necro is still nuts in all formats. Bargain just isn't. Bargain has been bad in Legacy for a decade yet still remains banned because Wiccas of the Coast has down syndrome.
>>92623076how often do you see atraxa, grand unifier as a commander?the answer is not a lot because while having card advantage CAN HELP it doesn't win the game all on its own, that's also why mono blue, king of draw is never played either, because it sucks. draws without a payoff are worthless
>>92622995So a much worse Heliod?>>92623041Beans doesn't just draw cards. The card itself has no limitations except playing spells over 5 mana and it costs less. That is busted. Limiting the hand to 5 and losing life is not busted. Losing 5 life on turn 3 is tough, normally you're already in range of death against fast decks at that point.We'll see. I might be wrong but that's how I feel, unless someone provides me a reliable strategy to win on the spot or next turn, in that case then the card is good.>>92623062That only gains life when it hits something. If you want to ephemerate it you need 4 mana. There are better things to do with 4 mana in Modern.>>92623076None of those are cast, they are cheated on turn 1 or 2.>>92623082We'll see. So far I was right about almost all my predictions and I have the receipts.
>>92623107>>92623086>turn 1>turn 3Spot the difference.
I hope mh3 rotates subtlety because that's the only thing I'm missing to play bant living end
Look, Necropotence is unplayable in Modern and Legacy, end of discussion. And yes, I am trans before you ask.
Damn, Jace used to look like THAT?
>>92623173>transMore like NecroImpotence am I right?
>replace k4rn copies with necro>suddenly coffers gets a sideboard again without sacrificing advantage
>>92623177For the longest time this was actually the most playable version of Jace because his +0 could kill in a few turns. RTR Jace shutting off Twin was cute.
>>92623139>None of those are cast, they are cheated on turn 1 or 2.Yeah, people use three cards and an entire deck to cheat them out on turn 2.
>>92623190Karn has synergy with Necro, you can grab cards in exile. Not the kind of cards you play in Coffers, though.All in all I think Karn is better in Coffers, we'll see.
>>92623204Your point? How do you cheat Necro? How does it win on the spot like those decks?
>T1 Thoughtseize self, discarding Borborygmos>T2 Soul Cauldron>T3 Memnite, Nucropotence, turn Memnite into Borborygmos, end step draw 19;)
>>926231123/3 aquamoebas
>>92623219Borborygmos has no activated ability
>>92623215Atraxa and Griselbrand decks do not win on the spot.
>>92623231WAIT WAIT NO JUDGE I MEANT THIS ONE NOOOOOOOOOOO
>>92623231I get that reference
>>92623238>he doesn't remember TinFins or Entombsday
>>92623238Griselbrand wins on the spot, liar.
I can't believe that even in irony someone would argue that Necropotence isn't good.
>>92623231Right up there with "my ESL opp fucked up his triggers"
>>92623250Not in Modern.
>>92623253No one argued that. The card we're talking about is a different one.
>>92623260Nah I'm with the judge on this one. It's awkward because there's a card with that explicit name. If the original Borborygmos had some sort of title after his name then sure I'd side with intention, but alas he named a card explicitly.
>>92623253>can't get cards until the next turn>and makes you lose your draw stepit's fucking dogshit, dude just use the one ring instead
>>92623183
>>92623269Yeah we're talking about a better Necropotence because it doesn't make you skip your draw step.
>>92622536As a guy who plays multiple formats, being able to play Jund midrange again in Cosnoommander is an okay consolation prize for WotC ruining my favorite deck, I suppose
>>92623288read the card, retard
>>92623274I woudn't but I'm no judge, consider this;201.2a Two or more objects have the same name if they have at least one name in common, even if one or more of those objects have additional names.
>>92623311that's for cards like spy kit
>>92623311that's for weird shit like split cards
>>92623346what a weird card
>>92623250yeah bowmasters really blowing people out at instant speed left and righthttps://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=50045&d=570288&f=LEdecks that want to win at instant speed would rather just play ad naus
>>92623288Read the card again.>>92623264>what is Neoform
>>92623387What are you even trying to say? Griselbrand is a combo deck, Bowmaster is a midrange card.
>>92623139Except leyline didn't create any new combo nor any new decks, it just slotted into the most obvious one, you are simply a dumbfag.
>>92623288NecrodominanceBBBLegendary Enchantment Skip your draw step.At the beginning of your end step, you may pay any amount of life. If you do, draw that many cards.Your maximum hand size is five.If a card or token would be out into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.
>>92623414people play bowmasters in legacy reanimator half the time. griselbrand IS the payout of the combo. you strip their hand with pitch spells and beat them to death with griselbrand or archon of cruelty.
>>92623430>it just slotted into the most obvious oneAh yes that old classic Nishoba Brawler deck in Modern.
>>92623414>bowmasters is a midrange cardblack saga storm would like to have a word with you
Nupotence IS a subpar card in Modern and Legacy because if you have to trade your life for the chance of getting five good cards in hand you are objectively playing an inferior deck that can't stand the parity
>>92623457>modernit's not for you. it's for commander players so they can have to copies of necro. it's so commander can stop being a singleton format without breaking the singleton rules.
it feels like people just forgot that boseiju is like the second most played land in modern
>>92623311>>92623274It was perfectly legal, but it was a big asshole move, since everybody involved knew exactly what Bobo he meant
>Hmm how can I keep this (You) farm going?
>>92623457Here's your (you)
Cards you've nutted to
>>92623457>Nupotence IS a subpar card in Modern and Legacy because if you have to trade your life for the chance of getting five good cards in hand you are objectively playing an inferior deck that can't stand the paritythe thing about trading life for cards is that if your deck can very efficiently trade life for cards, you can create a whole deck revolving around trading cards for [literally anything else] because you can just reload with nupotence and keep going.it can't possibly slot into any existing deck for that reason, because all decks not built around this idea absolutely do not want to be trading 5 life for 5 cards for three mana. but deck construction restrictions are jokes: tons of decks like rhinos run plenty of suboptimal cards because the core gameplan is good enough to ignore the fact that all your other cards are sub-parity.if nupotence decks aren't viable it's absolutely not going to be because nupotence itself is weak, it'll be because it won't have any alternate game plan. most combo decks these days are creature-based and have a fallback of just beating you to death with creatures if they get bad draws.
>>92623430You are one stupid motherfucker.
>>92623504
>>92623457>play nucropotence>play sheoldred>endstep trigger now gains you life and draws cardwow
>>92623513overpriced
Stop giving him (You)s you dumbfucks.
>>92623484Everyone knows. There's just nothing new to say about it. They brazenly designed the card to automatically slot into every Green deck in existence.
>>92623492and his opp was angleshooting his way out of a loss
>>92623523Huh? I played him T3 all the time.>T1 Sol Ring>T2 Cultivate>T3 Nut Collector
>>92623548yeah but then I Lightning Bolt your nut collector, heh. didn't think of that did you
make soul spike great again
>>92623570Play it with nu-potence
>>92622617Toracle food?
Ulakek...
>>92623640ulakek
anyone wanna play a game?I'll go firstIsland
>>92621906>>92621884>kills your formatnothing personel kiddos
>>92623705I concede
>>92623705I pass priority back.
evens - buy leyline binding nowodds - wait for mh3 to rotate modern and legacy
>ZERO relevant red cards in the leaksBurnADHDbros... at least we got the cowboy bird..
>>92623737You got your MH3 card early in the form of SSS, shut up.
>>92623737Thank god they didn't show what the Phoenix does in OP cuz it's probably shit
>>92623705are you playing protean hulk?
No one watching the PT?
The what now?
>>92623737What could they even add to boros burn, better goblin guide?
>>92623785I don't like watching draft, let me know when standard begins
>>92623504Mirrodin was my sexual awakening
>>92623737there is no single card you could add to burn that would make it competitive in modern
>>92623806Draft is only good format of Magic tho.
>>92623811You are gay
>>92623801But they DID just print a better Goblin Guide. This card just singlehandedly catapulted Prowess into Modern's top tier and is currently the best thing to be doing in Pioneer. Burn isn't the best place for SSS, but it should be running it instead of Eidolon.
>>92623822sure but I don't really enjoy watching it, I'd rather play it myself
>>92623828SSS doesn't cost R and Prowess isn't burn.Burn hasn't been running Eidolon for like a year and a half either because too many decks dodge it.
Thank Science that there are pronouns on screen.
>>92623811Mishima?
>>92623853>SSS doesn't cost RGoblin Guide's title is being the best creature in Burn. It no longer is.>Prowess isn't burnLike I said, Burn isn't the best place for SSS, but anyone still playing Burn should still be running it. Three Bolts on T3 is a 7 power flier coming in.
>>92623811London?
>>92623705SwampI cast a lotus petalCrack lotus petal for whiteCast Angel's graceCast Dark Ritual and then cast necrodominance from Modern Horizons 3Pay 50 life and draw 50 cardsIn my end discard all but 5Cast four copies of Basking Rootwalla, four copies of Blazing Rootwalla and four copies of Hollow pass the turn to you
>>92623918How are you playing HO at instant speed?
>>92623918Doesn't work, you can't pay life you don't have. It works with Ad Nauseam because that's AN causing you to lose life.>>92623947He can't pay 50 life to draw 50 cards in the first place.
Three card blind time. Pick 3 cards that will be played against my 3 cards. No deck, no drawing, you just get those 3 cards.My cards:Black Lotus, Black Lotus, Carnage Tyrant
>>92624011Black lotus, Thassa's Oracle
>>92624049Thassa's Oracle isn't allowed for obvious reasons.>THEN HOW ABOUT BLACK LOTUS LAB MAN STREET WRAITHStop being gay.
>>92624057Mald
>>92624057island, ancestrall recalltarget you
>>92623826yes, I am gayso what?
>>92623876I never understood this meme...
>>92624169it's a /fit/ meme if i remember right. it's basically asking if you are a hot single in my area, because the original london poster was in london and asking if OP was in their area and ready to fuck.
>Jim Davis is 2-0:/
>>92624189ohhhhI see
>>92623820Arcanic Force - RCounter target non-Red spell. Deal 1 damage to a creature, player, or Planeswalker of your choice.___Any number of fancy tricks can overcome an unprepared mage. For example, embers to the eyes.
if there's a triggered ability that says "whenever blah blah blah, you may pay 1. If you do..." does the trigger go on the stack even if they choose not to pay? Or is paying 1 considered part of the trigger that puts the ability on the stack?
...the sad thing is I don't even know if this will see any play.
>>92624371paying 1 is done in the resolution of the ability.
>>92624408thanks
>>92624404It will definitely see play on Arena.
>>92624404okay so we're truly testing the limits of statline creatures now
>>92624453>your graveyard onlyYeah, nah.
>>92624404What the fuck is this Escape.
>>92624457it's 1 mana for a statline creaturethey could make it free, I suppose, but this is basically as cheap as it gets
>>92624404God we live in a clown world.
>>92624404I think this is worse than DRC or ragavan to be honest
Got my ass blasted twice in Outlaws of Thunder Junction draftAny good resources to get better at draft?I always have the wrong mentality and draft a 3 color pile of shitI know BREAD, but want to go further
>>92624011tabernacle, dyad arbor, jeweled bird
>>92624458Experimenting with alternative Escape costs I guess. Kinda shitty though since it's just gonna gimp your goyfs.
>>92624474It is worse than those. At first blush it seems great, but it counts your graveyard only and the escape cost is basically just bonus text in most scenarios. Even if you specifically play lots of cards with dual types (artifact creature, enchantment land, etc) it is difficult to pay for or brings its self back with low stats for 2B.
>>92624474Worse as in worse for the health of the format or worse as inferior to those?
>>92624404Oh fuck off jotc
>>92623820price of progress
>>92624462Shadow is 1 mana.
>>92624553Make it happen, WotC. You have one job in MH3 and it is this.
>>92623820Be careful, they might take that as a challenge. If you think a single card couldn't make a deck viable because you can't always just have it, remember they made fucking Companion
>>92624515the latter, discussing if a card is "healthy" for the format feels very pointless at this point
>>92623712How would he kill Commander? This isn't even that powerful
>>92624404This is definetely the fucking WORST TIMELINE of the Magic era.
>>92624404unplayable tarmagoyf need trample to be good again
I thought Modern Horizons was supposed to be stronger than Standard
>>92624639Modern Horizons isn't inherently meant to be stronger, it's more meant to be more complex and able to use a lot of old mechanics all at once. That tends to lead to higher power, admittedly.
>Power creep the hell out of Goyf>It still cant compete with MH2 creaturesAyy lmao
>>92624680it is in fact meant to be stronger. ragavan was literally designed by someone asking "what's the most powerful we could possibly make a one-drop." the complex-but-not-strong cards are just used to make draft chaff.
>>92622776why compare it to Bargain instead of Necropotence?
>>92624772unban DRS, he is not as egregious as Ragavan
>>92622617>can use thoracle as free counterspell while trigger is on the stackBased, like this and will buy all 20 alt art copies to flex
>>92624826not that useful in Doomsday since if you're playing turbo then you probably have no hand to LED, or you have a PTT pile with cavern so it's uncounterablethere are no instances where you need to sac Oracle with trigger on the stack
>>92624757How did WotC not get sued for this?
>Arena xisters...
>>92624926>no flagkek, what a disgrace
>>92623811Correct awnser, wrong card.
>>92624926Didn't know Chris-chan played at the PT
>>92622202Are we just going to ignore the fact that this token has a mana cost?
Standard begins soon.https://magic.gg/news/the-spiciest-decks-of-pro-tour-thunder-junction
>>92624999>standard lol, have fun
>>92624926>he/theyI hope Tyler is taking the piss...
>>92624991did you shit yourself at garth one eye, too?
One good thing about kindred I guess is that it's a goyf buff
>>92625024That was also retarded, but it still wanted you to pay the mana for it. This ability creates a fully formed token, but it has a mana cost for no reason.
>>92624404>aaaaa is that a [new CARD] that's objectly better than [old CARD]?Aaaaaaaa it's the MANMADE HORROR 3 I AM Going INSANE SAVE ME SAVANNA LION
>>92622202>Mana value on a tokenNani?
>>92624926>fae/faer>>92624960They didn't have a flag for the psych ward.
>>92625051it's the same thing as garth one eye. look forward to a paper version of this soon that just makes tokens instead of conjuring actual copies.
>>92625024Those copies don't have an actual mana value, the goyf tokens actually have it on the board
>>92624404I don't know if people here are crazy or not, but this card is insane (mainly a legacy player, so that's what I'm thinking about).The escape cost is so expensive it's barely worth mentioning, but the base stats this gives for 1 mana is so high (and in a good color).
>>92625101yes they do. you create a copy of the card, cast the copy. the token copy has a mana cost. if you use rite of replication on a nontoken creature, the token has the same mana cost. if you have double major and copy a creature spell, the token copy that enters has the mana cost.
>>92625101>Those copies don't have an actual mana valueThey introduced token copies of permanents years ago yet you still choose to be an ignorant retard.
>>92625159Those are copies, this tormogoyf token isn't a copy and still has a mana cost on it.
>>92624851It's on the artist that did the tracing, not on WotC.
>>92625076well, there's this
>>92623504>Purraj reprint never ever
>>92624926>fae/faerI thought made up pronouns like Xe/Xir went out of fashion since 2018? Those lot went to They/Them now because even they acknowledge made up pronouns sound fucking retarded
>>92624926>Bael>no flag>Fae/Faer
>>92625303They did afaik, but some people still do it anyways.
>>92624991Didn't we get confirmation that this would happen in some bloomburrow preview?
I don't like trans people but she is in a Pro Tour while we are here shitposting about leaks from reddit. Let's all be humble, okay?Okay
>replace tribal with kindred because das raycissmtg will always be a joke lmao
>>92625354> she
>>92625303Yeah, it's generally not super common to see. They show up now and again. I don't really get it.
>>92625325We saw a token with a mana cost, but everyone assumed it was a copy because it's retarded otherwise.
> > 92625354
>>92625311What does the lack of flag mean?
>>92625354She?
>>92625399No flag, no country. Those are the rules.
>>92625399They like to think theyre being unique, but really it only feels like no sane country would claim them
>>92625303It must be really fucking awkward to cast his game when they have to be super careful with what they call him
fuck temur analyst
>>92625441Barring winning the event there’s no way this thing gets onto coverage
>>92625376Why would you assume that being retarded is a reason for wotc not to do something? Specially seeing how hard they've been trying to make this happen since MH2
>>92625399Just choosing not to associate with a country for whatever reason.
>fae looks like Chris-chanFuck’s sake.
For Thunder Junction draft are you feeling Simic, Golgari, or Rakdos more? Golgari would be obscene if you really had the leeway to build its synergies out but that's harder in draft.
I wonder if I can get this card permabanned by responding to every "kindred" post with it...
>>92625195mana cost is a property that gets copied. you are wrong.
>>92622776>Necrodominance art is Kroxiadoes that mean we will see Uro as well?
>>92625399in this case, I assume it's because it would be an israel flag (the name is "talia" and zhe is obviously semitic) and that's currently a hot topic in the libsphere.
Make it happen jotc , so we can have 4c 8flames.dec
>>92625509it's rotating out before 2025 right?
>>92622776The one ring is just better unless you're doing something specific.
cage bros we did it
>>92625778the capenna lands and memory deluge are rotating with bloomburrow, yeah
>>92625823>Being this upset about Nielsen being shitcanned
>>92625823>The white rares are shit yet againImagine my surprise at JOTC design
>>92625797>land 15Huh?
>>92625209If you hit them with Steel, will they burn? Gotta know for sure if they are true faerie folk
>>92625931emeria's call and turntimber symbiosis are boltlands, the deck effectively has 23 lands
>>92625674The token created by pic related is not a copy, it's created entirely by the card's effect. Garth says copy, Nest does not. I don't know why this is so hard for you. Obviously, a card can create a token with whatever traits RND has cooked up, but it SHOULDN'T have a mana cost because it's being fabricated from nothing without referencing another card. We, as players, know that a card named Tormogoyf exists, but the two cards are entirely separate from each other. It's a bad design.
>>92625823This sways me to the opinion that this probably isnt a scripted leak, along with the investor note that says he wont ever refer to Tribal as Typal or Kindred
>>92625995>without referencing another cardexcept it does. the rules text just says "make a tarmogoyf token." the characteristic defining ability and the mana cost is all written in the reminder text. you aren't complaining that the token has the rules text of tarmogoyf, just that it has the mana cost. >The token created by pic related is not a copy, it's created entirely by the card's effect. Garth says copy, Nest does not.it is literally the exact same as garth one eye. both make a copy of an existing card from nothing. the fact that you cast it with garth and you just create a token with nest is irrelevant, because the core concept of making a copy of an existing card is the exact same.>tormogoyfget out, tourist.
>>92624404This isn't actually very good because it only looks at your own graveyard.
>>92626028It is scripted unless it is proudly antisemitic
>>92626127You forget jund players are the most retarded and seething group in magic, but that is expected when their defining feature was playing an expensive mouth breather deck, now they seethe because jund saga takes more strategy than windmill slam value slop off the top.
>>92624926Edit "Baal" and add pedo flag.
>>92626179>You forget jund players are the most retarded and seething group in magicThis is when I stopped reading your post because you're just some anger/engagement bot.
>>92626028>along with the investor note that says he wont ever refer to Tribal as Typal or KindredI hope the community pushes back against this. There is nothing wrong with the term "tribal." Don't give these freaks an inch.
>>92626228Thanks for confirming it.
>>92625995Have we ever had an effect like this where it creates a token with a mana cost?
>>92626255Not implicitly, but Garth One-Eye, as people have noted, does have a similar result, because he makes copies without the cards themselves actually existing, and you still have to cast them.
>>92626255see>>92625024
>>92626234bitter triumph since it kills planeswalkers
>>92626122It's not the same as Garth at all. The text box of Garth says "Copy". The text box of Nest does not have the word "Copy" anywhere. >The core conceptWhat they were going for is not reflected by the text on the card they made. They could have made Nest say "create a copy of Tarmogoyf", but they didn't. Instead, they use the same templates as everything else that makes a normal token, including a full explanation of what is written on that token. My point is that they have never put a mana cost on a token this way, and it's weird. It's a hard break from the way they've done things before, and it means that all other token makers are going to need to receive eratta to add the {0} mana cost to all the tokens that they make.
>>92625399No conviction.
>>92626349Making a Tarmogoyf token is functionally the same result as casting a Shivan Dragon copy, though.Also, we had that Bloomburrow 'leak' from Beadles and Grimm or whatever, and it showed a token with a mana cost. It may just be something they're leaning into with tokens that are copies of other things, having it be clearer. Does make something like Roxanne more awkward, then, because the Meteorites she makes DON'T have mana costs.
>>92626349>including a full explanation of what is written on that token.except the explanation is reminder text. the rules text says "create a tarmogoyf token." it explicitly is pulling a previous card, just like garth.
>>92625823I'm actually upset that this isn't main set and is a commander card.
>>92626398I feel that way about the zombie goyf, honestly I'd like that in pioneer
>>92626425>>92626398Shit, I'm dumb, ignore me, it's in the main set
>>92626378i agree with this take, it does make roxanne a little bit awkward. but not in any way that hasn't happened before, where older templating/ways of doing things clashes with the newer ways. also, it is "create an artifact named 'meteorite" with the full text of meteorite written in her rules text, not "create a meteorite token." if it were, the token would have a mana cost, and roxanne wouldn't write the full "deals 2 damage" in her rules text.
>>92626378>functionally the same. It's not. If Shivan Dragon receives eratta that makes it a Dragon Warrior, it will change the token that Garth creates. If Tarmogoyf receives eratta that makes it a Lhurgoyf Warrior, it will have no effect on the token that is created by Nest.
>>92623737Eh, Meltdown got revealed...
>>92626451>it will have no effect on the token that is created by Nest.yes it will. the rules text is "create a tarmogoyf token." everything that says creature types, mana cost, etc. are reminder text. reminder text is not rules text. how retarded are you?
>>92626474It's not reminder text, it's a description of the token you create
>he/himstate of it
>>92626482
>>92626425Why do only shitty UB formats get proper magic cards now?
>>92626447Yeah, fair. It's just awkward when you have cards making tokens with the exact name and rules text as existing tokens, except there's also "tokens of existing cards" now too.
>>92626474The actual card named Tarmogoyf and the token named Tarmogoyf are not the same card because Nest doesn't say "copy"
>>92626234fieldslots of 'em
>>92626562it doesn't need to. the rules text just says "tarmogoyf," it does not say "create a green lhurgoyf creature named 'tarmogoyf' with "this creature's power is equal to the number of card types among cards in all graveyards and its toughness is equal to that number plus 1." all that other info missing from the rules text means that it is explicitly making a copy of the card tarmogoyf.
>>92626653Or, arguably, it's making a predefined token named Tarmogoyf.
>>92626653>it is explicitly making a copy of the card tarmogoyfIt is NOT making a copy, because the word copy does not appear on the card. No matter how similar they are or what kind of cute reference R&D is making, they didn't use the word "copy".
that jund list with plots was kind of interesting
>>92626715>>92626744yeah, it's making a predefined token. but that predefined token is defined by the card tarmogoyf. i don't know what is so difficult to understand.
Standard is really shit right now. If you don't have a removal spell in your opening hand, you automatically lose. It's just yu-gi-oh with ash blossom all over again.
>>92626771There is no reason to think that the two are in any way connected. We're tripping up on the fact that they both have the same name, but Nest doesn't actually reference the card Tarmogoyf.
>>92626837without the card tarmogoyf, the rules text "create a tarmogoyf token" wouldn't make sense. same with the text of garth one eye.
>>92626830a tale as old as serrated arrows then?
why not do it with the decklist? it's open decklist rofl
>>92623712it's fucking garbage
good reprint to bring the price downalso scales and hammer are FUCKED
>>92626876Garth makes copies. Nest does not.
>>92626028>the investor noteCould you elaborate please?
>>92627009Great sideboard card against affinity. Should stop them from getting the Kappa out too early, but who can say if that'll actually stop it from becoming a problem when so many 0/1-drop artifacts can be sacced to draw a crad
>>92627009>muh arena
What the fuck… Tarmogoyf is only good as a token now…
>>92627041they both reference named, existing cards for the player to derive the information. the rules text of neither garth nor nest tell you what shivan dragon nor tarmogoyf is. it doesn't matter that nest doesn't say copy on it, what it is doing is making a permanent with the same copiable values as the card tarmogoyf. i don't get why you are being retarded about this. you went from "garth doesn't give the tokens mana values" to "but it's different because garth says copy!" no, you are just retarded.
>LE GOYF IS LE UNPLAYABLE!!!!do you guys seriously not get tired of this shit
ONE MANA GOYFMIGHT NOT EVEN BE PLAYABLETHE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THIS MEME GAME
>>92627009Fell the what? Bless this leaker's heart, never saw the Thunder Junction leak.
>>92627182half a goyf for half the mana
>>92627099>four jundlards going 3-2 in leagues over and over againjust play pioneer you weirdos
>>926272283-2s don't get posted, those are all 5-0s there's even multiple challenges top8s, and that's just in the second half of april
>>92627098>it doesn't matter that nest doesn't say copy on itIt does matter. Nest is the first card to make a non-copy token that has a mana cost, and it's a large deviation from previous card formatting. Garth is the only card that makes a copy of a card that might not exist in your game, and he has a special entry in the comprehensive rules telling you that his Oracle Text tells you to use Gatherer to look up what each card does. We might get more cards that make non-copy replicas of old cards with mana costs in MH3, but as of this post it's a unique card. Also, I wasn't the anon who said Garth's tokens don't have a mana cost.
>>92627228apparently also a thing in standard, jund analyst with pitiless carnage/pillage the bog
>>92627297>noo i'm a different anonclassic, "i was only pretending to be retarded" strategy. it's literally conceptually the same as garth, you are just shitting and pissing yourself because you want to blow everything up into "manmade horrors."
>>92627337>literally conceptually You refuse to understand that it's not a copy because you don't understand the rules, and every argument you have boils down to "I understand that reference!" without being able to refute the fact that Nest doesn't work the same as Garth.
if you hate arena so much and play paper only then why don't you post arena codes for us baby sisters?
>>92627368garth only says the word copy because he wants you to cast the copies and because there are no tokens of sorceries like braingeyser. it is conceptually the same because both nest and garth reference another existing card for the rules text of garth or nest to operate. would you be shitting yourself less if nest gave the land "t: create a copy of tarmogoyf. you may cast that copy. (you still pay the costs)" would that make your autistic ass happier?
>>92627387sorry, used mine. as much as i hate arena, i am still a gambling addict and bingbing noises and packs being ripped still satisfies something in my monkey brain.
>>92627424>>92627424>>92627424
>>92627409It would, actually. Then it would actually be a token copy of Tarmogoyf instead of being the first and only card to make a token with a mana cost. Instead, we get an ability that costs {1}{G} that makes a token with a mana cost of {1}{G}.
>>92627255it literally shows the placements under rank you idiot, what do you think 9-16 means
