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>>92627569>What‘s the best 40K model?Talos/Chronos. very fun to put together and paint.
>>92627569>TQ
HOW MUCH MORE DO WE HAVE TO WAIT BROTHERS? I WISH TO GET LOUD
>>92627569
I just recently spent about 550 USD on resin 40k looking miniatures to make a proxy army.
emperor's children should have been 120 days of sodom instead of hellraiser
>>92627569>TQI like the whole thingbut even if it was only for the executioner's sword it would still be peak
>Fire Warriors who who serve for 4 years and pass their trial of fire are eligible to either promote into Fire Warrior NCO's or becoming a private operating a BattlesuitI don't know what the trial of fire is or hwo difficult it is to pass but...that sounds like a lot of fucking battlesuits
>added a bunch of forgeworld shit to the store>didn't add all the mechanicum stuff
>>92627569>TQPlease, James, remake it in plastic.You can even give it tits. I don't care.
word posting all day every day
>>92627626best? fucking hell, between this and both the new and old obliterators they are probably the shittest, and thats coming from someone whos favourite traitor legion is iron warriors
>>92627667You reminded me how great the new Autarch kit isTruly mogging all the Imperium fags
>>92627699I'd be supremely happy if we got the same treatment for the Farseer, but the Warlocks don't make me optimistic.>mogging all the ImperiumThe new IG kits are pretty good. I'd pay for an upgrade sprue like the Cadians got with neat greebles and Warlock helms.
>>92627569for orks i still think its the boss himself
oh shit they are doing kommandoz and nobz? i still have these models in my parents' basement
>>92627710Hadn't seen the IG upgrade sprue; holy shit that's some good shit
>>92627710Yeah the Warlocks and Maugan Ra makes me worried for how the wider Eldar refresh is gonna be, but the rest has been absolutely phenomenalEspecially looking forward to Asurmen and Fuegan
>>92627801Primaris aspect warriors when
>>92627569For me, it was always this model, i always wanted this model but never got an opportunity to get him.
>>92627829Already here
>>92627699SEX WITH LADY AUTARCHS
>>92627801I'm especially happy with all the spare bits we get at last, mixing them and ranger parts with the Corsairs box has been an absolute joy. And at this point I've so many small aspect shrine tokens that I plan to run them as a fluffy bodyguard unit of "guardians" for my Farseer
>>92627829that's what primaris are
>>92627569>TQThe warlord model you build at the end of your army collecting, built from the base of a generic character model and enhanced with the best parts of all your kits
>>92627914I mean a primaris equivalent to replace the current aspect warrior minis
>>92627951Nah, we eldarstacys just get updated sculpts, no dumb lore justification needed
>>92627635That probably may not work as according to a painting phase podcast the main purchasers of GW products are moms. That said I am surprised that some Emperor's Children models wearing helmets with mocking perverse comedy/tragedy masks hiding their scarred faces hasn't been done yet.Or that Marquis "Holy Shit" De Sade has not been referenced yet in Emperor's Children fluff.
>>92627980The benefits of being irreverent.
>>92628012More like irrelevant.
I've never felt the need to play this game over 1.2k
>>92627569The crab that sold me an army, Dunecrawler my beloved
>>92627801Maugan Ra is great though? I don't understand what you hate about it, it's a massive improvement over the old one. The only thing I hate about it is the stupid pose, would have vastly preferred him with his weapon lowered.
I bought enough miniatures (in a backlog) to make a 2k point guard army. Only to try out an actual 2k point 10th ED game via tabletop simulator and discover that I don't like it. Then try out Kill Team 2021 and discover that I like that game. I could have saved so much money bros.
>>92628022hey, the Dark Eldar are both.
>>92628001I just hate how they and slaanesh in general have their potential wasted by being the wacky ultraviolent torture faction and people just eat it up because "hurr they're cenobites" like their horror movie characters were anything but tangentially related to degenerate hedonism to begin with.
>>92628060It would be a better 'dunecrawler' if it had big snowshoe-feet.
>>92628116>Then try out Kill Team 2021 and discover that I like that game.why? why do you like possibly one of the worst versions of kill team.
>>92628147Kill Team just kept me invested in everything about the troops, their well being, taking risks and even spending their lives carefully in calculated risks even if I would learn I am bad at math. Also I think the way IGOUGO is handled in 40k just makes it a bit of a snorefest for me.
>>92628167Fair, though there are better version of KT out there, for example, 4th ed rules for kill team were a lot better simply becuase using 3rd ed rules books you could do crazy fun armies. HoR as well. lot more customization and freedom to make your own kill team.I used to run a deathwing kill team of like 3 terminators was a blast. IGOUGO worked fine in 40k, when the scale of the game was not what it is now.
>>92628074The pose, his hood and the stupid spine thingy just ruins the rest for meOtherwise a pretty cool model
>90 point zerker squadKILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN KILL MAIM BURN
>>92628116Thats what you get for listening to retards on here. I've said time and time again ITT, start with a Combat Patrol or at least with a 1k army. 2k is a fucking slogfest for new players, especially if your opponent is an asshole and just stomps the shit out of you. 1k forces both sides to go infantry heavy with maybe 1 or 2 vehicles. I pretty much exclusively play 1.2k games nowadays because imho that is where the sweet spot.
>>92628001>>92628129The IIIrd are supposed to be based on European nobility, right? I’m not too familiar with the historical culture they have. Seems like Blood Angels got renaissance themes, Ultramarines are Roman, and Iron Warriors are supposedly based on Greeks even if we don’t see it in 40k. Is there any specific pieces of Euro cultural art that would uniquely fit EC?
>Instead of making Thunder Warriors/Space Marines/Custodes, the Emperor uses his genetic mastery for mundane purposes such as the curing of human diseases>Instead of focusing on Space Marines, the Emperor focuses his attention on improving the Imperial Guard and Imperial NavyHow does history change?
>>92628223It does not, it just results in the same shit we have now. Or at the very least it would result in modern warfare. Which from a game play standpoint is fucking BORING as shit to play. Wanna know how modern warfair is fought?>Find enemies>Shoot at enemies to keep them pinned>Wait for fire support from a jet or artillery. In 40k, it would just result in space marines again except they would just be regular humans in power armor.
>>92627569he's literally me as I play 40k>weak and bad at fighting>looking at his computer battlemap>strategizing and telling people where to go and who to shootit worked better in 9th, when I'd just put my computer guy on the home objective and pray he never saw combat
>>92628180Are you the kasrcuck who terrorized all the kill team threads?
>>92628241what about drones? imagine Krieg trench warfare but with remote controlled drones dropping nades
>>92628318That's what the Cyclops is for, Anon
>>92628135The kit also has those, they're optional.
>>92628223Your hypothetical doesn't make sense.Thunder warriors, spess muhreens, custards, Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy were all designed based on the resources that the emps had on hand. In an ideal world, literally every human would become custodians. But emps couldn't do that because it takes such a tremendous amount of resources and time.
>>92628223It fails entirely. The whole point of creating gene crafted supersoldiers was that basic bitch humans weren’t enough to handle the horrors of the galaxy. The Great Crusade dealt with a lot of the nastier remnants of Old Night, both of xenos and human origins. If Auxila/IG were altered in such a fundamental way that they could fight and survive on par with space marines, then you still end up with super soldiers.
>>92628060Not an admech players, but that is a pretty sweet model. How well do the rules hold up in 10th?
>>92628383Was the Emperor even that good of a scientist? He got much of his gene-science from the guys on the moon, his titans and power armor from the Mechanicus, and the rest of the equipment from whatever was left behind by STC tech. And for all his pride in his Space Marines, they get mogged by basic bitch battlesuits which are way more mass producible.
>>92628426Emprah was one perfect person but so many fires.
>>92628441>Emperor>Perfect
>>92628287The hell is a kasrcuck? like karsakin cuck? No i have not gone into any kill team threads i dont like modern kill team at all. Im the emperors elbow anon, I have told my story a few times about my all time favorite hobby moment where i delivered the emperors elbow from the top ropes into a knob in a game of Herald of ruin.
>>92628060One of the only good models the admech have
>>92628556yeah who ever is designing most of the admech stuff needs to like...stop doing it.
>>92628392Shooting is underwhelming, but it's tanky, and it gives a 4+ invuln to rangers and vanguard within 6 inches thanks to its force field.
>>92627569>TQThe carnifex, aging now but still so good.
>>92628749That's CG
Posted a bit back, attempting chaos Godzilla. Considering it's my first try, I think the prototype bloodletter is going pretty well. Nuln oil + Celestra Grey gave it a nice rocky effect, but I think it's a little too bright now. Any suggestions?
>>92628866makes me itchy
>>92628441If that's the case cinnamon buns like Oll and Erda wouldn't have betrayed him.
>>92628749is this real live?
>>92628777Worthy getMy favorite Nid is the Hive Tyrant but the Carnifex is just so bloody customizable and fun to toy around with, it’s genuinely brilliant
anyone done weathered metal effects over black before (like these shoulderpads)? ive painted them matt black which may have been a little too dark. i assume i just do very light strokes of metal across them and the edges and then highlight said edges with a lighter metal colour?
>tsons get to use vortex beast>WE don't get to use slaughterbruteshurts a little
>>92628949Some anon posted this ages ago in /wip/ and its been my go to recipe since
Anyone with physical copies of the uplifting primer or munitorum manual who'd do me a solid and give me measurements? Looking at running off some papers to bind as physical copies from a pdf.
>>92629055They're A3
>>92628777what carnifexi can’t see it
>>92629034ill give it a try, just had to make sure i have those colours. how long ago did citadel change the names of those paints? ive been out of the hobby for a long time
>>92629064Really? The books look like tall, thin pocket books in the photos I've found, but those lack size comparisons.
>>92628371>every human would become custodians...>everyone becomes bigger>everyone remains the exact same relative size, but now with the unavoidable problems of greater body mass
>>92629034got a video?
>>92629113Don't forget the chronic head trauma from knocking your forehead off doorframes.
>>92629113>unavoidable problems of greater body massAnon, they casually deflect lasrifle shots and move so fast that human eyes cannot track them. Pretty sure emps solved that issue a long time ago.
>>92628866I think this is horrendous and probably bait
>>92629123Is it necessary to be bigger to do those things? If anything, a larger scaled organism will have slower movements, because there is no getting around the strength-mass ratios. It'll also make people uglier, since a larger organism always carries weight worse than an otherwise smaller identical organism.
>>92629144>words words words>autistic words>words words wordsShut up you fucking nerd. Just play with your psychic buzz light years and stop trying to make sense out of nonsense
...GW wouldnt get rid of generic Terminators for World Eaters once they get their own unique termy datasheets right? God thats such an awful thought I have to consider.
Why is it so difficult for GW to just release upgrade sprues for Chaos Marines?
>>92629221You have the killteam box retard.
would it be possible to run mono-harlequins but with some wraith units? would it be any good do you think?asking for a friend
>>92629077try Black, Leadbelcher, and Agrax if you wat to stick to Citadel. You can also try a layer of Ironbreaker or a light Runesteel drybrush to brighten it a bit>>92629114Nop, srry. Try it on something that you don't mind fuckin up, experiment on your own
>>92629230Are harlequins just machine elves?
>>92629144>a larger scaled organism will have slower movementsYeah, they're not realistic. Not sure what you were expecting.I mean I'll be honest, emps was basically creating them to be disposable psychic batteries. Their spirits were literally infused with hellstuff. None of this shit makes any sense on its face, but it's supposed to be cool, not make sense. And this is why femstodes complainers are retarded.
>>92629264idk man you tell me, ive never done dmt. ive done lsd tho, so i get the patterns
I hate batch painting.This sucks.
>>92629287its better than vehicle painting
>>92629287why?
>>92629230Do they like the look of wraith units. If the answer to that question is yes, then the answer to your question is yes. Any other answer is autistic and unimportant once the rules for them change or are updated, which they will
>>92629287>I hate batch paintingMaybe you should have picked a scheme you find fun to batch paint instead of doing something you hate 100 times over and over again and then complaining on a basket weaving forum
>>92629301Not if you have an airbrush
>>92628060The ironstriders are dope as well.If I started an admech army it would be mostly dunecrawlers, ironstriders/dragoons, and sicarian ruststalkers/infiltrators
>>92628116I dont really get how imperial guard is supposed to play. Whats the point of having guardsmen if all they do is die and not kill anything
>>92629311just wanted to know if it was possible at all, ive never touched eldar, though i was also wondering if theres lore of any harlequin wraith unit.
>>92629326i have a brush
>>92629287My impatient ass loves batch painting, fuck waiting for paints to dry before you apply a second coat.
>>92629333You park them on objectives? You use them to screen your actual important units so they don't get charged by undesirables? You buff them with orders so they can actually do damage? You run them up the board so your opponent has to waste shooting on them? I'm not a guardfag but those would be my best guesses.
>>92629339Clearly if you can find multiple examples of painted models finished to a very high standard then it's possible. It'd be a different story if the majority of images found were dogshit quality. People don't spend 100s of hours painting or 100s of dollars for no reason
>>92629301i enjoy painting vehicles, especially knightsi don't have an airbrush
>>92629355I get the theory, but literally all they do is die.By turn 2 theyre like all die.They have no melee units that can fend off deep strikes. A block of guardsmen cant tarpit anything good at melee.
>>92629302Its the same shit over and over and over again. I find myself making mistakes because im rushing due to boredom.
The Bladeguard minis are my favourite. How are their rules so shit? They are so bad, I can't even justify taking them in friendly lists.
>>92628116>buys 2000pts before playing onceYou are retarded.>buys 2000pts of physical models and then plays on TTSimYou are extremely retarded.
>>92628993yeah honestly thats just horseshit
>>92629409>The Bladeguard minis are my favouriteSo use them>They are so bad, I can't even justify taking them in friendly listsIf they were actually your favorite you'd use them anyways. Clearly the game is more important than your favorite models so stop pretending like the shape of your buzz light-years is why you run certain buzz lightyears and admit your a waac faggot
>>92629445If you are intentionally using sub par units then you aren't playing a game, you're wasting everybody's time.
>>92629445>waac faggot>10th space marinesHow's those no games going, anon?
>>92629380yea but 10th just came out and i dont know how harlequins work, i wouldn't ask if i knew
>>92629381I'm going to paint my Goliath Truck with no airbrush, is it doable with a thicker one?
>>92629462I like harly-quinoa
>>92629287I don't think I could finish armies in a week if I didn't batch. Doing 5 minis at a time then having to start all over again never worked for me, always super demoralising
I'm aware nobody asked but I went down to my LGS to pick up some paints and saw a new guy playing a small game against one of the regulars. Big ups to him for actually having painted his entire combat patrol box. It was very cool and refreshing seeing an army, even if it was a small one, being totally painted with no grey plastic in sight.
>>92629540>It was very cool and refreshing seeing an army, even if it was a small one, being totally painted with no grey plastic in sight.What horrid worlds caacfags inhabit
>>92629540the fact that you say this makes me worried if not bringing grey plastic is "unusual"
e allowed to take a more varied ally unit roaster?I love knights but it's true that they are very anti armour check and kinda boring to play.But taking the one knight of 3 armigers as allies does not satisfy my knight itch!I just really want a combined imperial force at the end of the day...
>>92629453>>92629457If the only reason you're spending 100s of hours painting space men is so you can win, you're going to find yourself unsatisfied and angry when your investment of time and money doesn't pay off when a dice roll goes poorly. If this was a game intended to be solved equation it wouldn't be based on d6 rolls
>>92629425I can give you something even more retarded. Save up for 3 years to slowly build and buy the army you want. Find out that the army is both partialy illegal(legends) and VERY unfun to play.
>>92629565>it's trying to communicateCome back when you've had a full night's sleep or the liquor is out of your system cause noone has a clue what you're trying to say
Clowns take me out of the setting
>>92629558I go to a local game club and of all the Warhammer games I see played 80% of them have some amount of grey plastic, and if we count just primers or partially painted it goes to 95% or higher.
>>92629574Why would it take you 3 years to learn you don't like the game if you're actively playing games regularly. This sounds like an issue if you aren't playing games, which is your own fault
>>92629576It's okay bro the Nightlords aren't that relevant to the setting so you can mostly ignore them.
>>92629409Be happy they aren't Companions. I love the models. They are Bladeguard with worse rules. But I get you anon. my favourit unit in the whole game is terminators. I love the looks, I love the unit fantasy. Problem is they are generaly not that fun to play.
>>92629575I'm fucking sorry, posted in the old thread by accident and fucked up the copy paste. I just cut the beginning >Why couldn't knight armies be
>>92627569>What‘s the best 40K model?
>>92629580Because I didn't play the game regularly. All the stores around my area play 2000pts matched played, and that is it. I wasn't oblivious to my dudes being not that good. Where I made a drastic error in logic and/or acted like a retared, is that in my mind, if something is unfun to play, I expected GW to jump on it like a hawk to fix it. The only defence I have for thinking so, is that w40k was my first table top game, first hobby and I didn't know anyone else playing the game, who could tell me that I was wrong, when I was in year 1-2 of building my army. I got a very expensive lesson, but one I won't forget fast.
>>92629540>totally painted with no grey plastic in sight.How is this something we celebrate? It should not be a special occasion when people play with a painted army.
>>92629601Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but if people didn't have to paint their armies, games would still be looking the way they did in 7ed and prior. Painting just isn't fun to a lot of people, they just want to play the game.
>>92629593sass, but also ASS
My god the stompa is a horrible kit to put together. Were all old large models this bad?
>>92629614>Painting just isn't fun to a lot of people, they just want to play the gameShould pick a different hobby and fuck off then shouldn't they
>>92629565Because GW has a hard enough time balancing the armies with the units that are in them, and allowing allies only destroys what little they manage.The Loyal 32 completely fucked any chance of soup being allowed to that extent for another decade, and it’s a good thing, because having my units shit on because someone else can take them in an entirely different army is retarded.
>>92627569>TQEldar Falcon. Eldar might have a lot of old models in their range desperately needing an update, but absolutely no-one is asking for a revamp of the 30 year old Falcon model. Absolute classic, knocked it out of the park on the first attempt.
>>92629628Skill issue
>>92629576Clowns are based.
>>92629600>I didn't play games frequently>I'm not having fun with my army, but that's the companies fault>I'm playing pickup games because I have no friendsYou can't blame the company or the game or the faction or the store because you weren't taking part in the hobby the way it is intended. This hobby isn't intended to be played with strangers, and especially isn't intended for you to learn to play with strangers. You wouldn't go to a ymca and expect strangers to teach you to shoot a basketball would you? Just because you can do a hobby with strangers doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that you'll end up with the same level of experience as they have from standing near them and watching autistically
>>92629629The hobby is a wargame, not painting. It is a side activity, same as reading BL book, posting on 4chan etc.
Why are word bearers hated? Lorgar seems kinda based
>>92629629Yeah more than likely, but you try telling them that and see how far it gets you. If they wanted a totally fair experience they'd be playing chess or some other solved game
>>92629663No, the game is the game and the hobby is the hobby. If you don’t know the difference then you’re just painfully new.
>>92627569People will point at nucrons, primaris or female custodes as the point 40k went to shit but it all started with the Primarchs.
>>92629661I was ltold to pick the models I like and that this would be the safest way to play, and the most fun. Like litteraly word for word I was told "pick the models you like" and "power comes and goes, all armie are fun at some time. Well my army is in legends, so its possibility to be fun is 0%. If the hobby is not suppose to be plaing with strangers, then all the YTubers, GW materials shouldn't be talking how fun GW games are, because you can meet new people, even from other countries and have fun playing the game with them. No where in any GW add or on their site does it say, in order to have fun you need to have 4+ brothers, cousins etc to play with.
>>92629576>>92629657>Clowns are based.Agreed.
>>92629663If the game was the most important part of the hobby we wouldn't have playtesting issues every codex and rules update, the game would be a perfectly balanced equation, not an unbalanced sandbox based on random chances
>>92629673
>>92629673Primarchs being a thing is fine. Primarchs coming back as units on the table and renewed relevance to the setting was a death sentence for the tone and themes that made it what it was.
>>92629673Trannistodes deflection
>>92629601No-games detected. Go to your LGS and be amazed. 90% of the people you will play will be running shit that's just primed but untouched with a few units just straight up being bare plastic. The people with multiple units painted are a minority and an entire painted army is even more rare.
>>92629673It actually started when you joined the hobby.
>>92629688Which is why we would have been better off if they didn't exist.>>92629692Merely a symptom of a greater problem, the Primarchs are the origin of all this gay shit.
>>92629667I fucking love Word Bearers, Lorgar did nothing wrong.
>>92629684You tell me what the sells are of stuff that doesn't have rules or even has bad rules, comparing to stuff that people need x3 or more. I understand that people spend weeks, if not months of time painting, across their life span, and they very much would like it to have a meaning, but it isn't so. w40k grew out of people wanting to play big battles with their RPG models, it cycles aren't based around new paint releases or painting tools, they are based around new editions of the game.
>>92629696Go cry about someone not liking your ebin avengers in 40k fag
>>92629707Good job anon
>>92629673Who is the goblin between Magnus and Jagatai
>>92629715Looks like Angron
>>92629707Why and how
So with the point buffs for necrons:Command barge or Annihilation barge?
>>92629681NTA but don't listen to him, I play with strangers all the time and I have a good time. It really comes down to your LGS. But it's also your fault for being a pussy coward, if players in your area have 2k point armies there is nothing stopping them from making a 1k list. If they refuse you probably don't want to play them anyway as that means they are running busted shit and have 0 confidence without it (aka they are most certainly NOT playing for fun). My LGS and the local GW have 1k point casual leagues all the time, I have a hard time believing none of the stores near you don't.
>Dark Eldar finally get a new novel>It's focused on one of the coolest alien characters in 40k>But it's by the tranny lover Mike BrooksHurts, man. It's the only Dark Eldar book I will never read :(
>>92629726Command Barge is 1000% useless and brings absolutely nothing to the table, there is literally never any reason to bring one when even the lowliest Cryptek is 1000000% more useful and cheaper.
>>92629715It's suppose to be Angron
>>92629681You pick the models you like the look of because that's the part of the hobby that doesn't change. Everything else is subject to balancing and removal, but your models will still be on your shelf if you like them, and they will look the same. The reason you play with friends is so you can run the models you like the look of, and have an imperfect list. GW shouldn't have to advertise that playing games with your friends is more fun, nor should they have to put a warning in that if you play with strangers, they may do something you don't find fun, because you share nothing in common with them. You can't be mad at the world because some random dude at the store has fun in a different way than you. That's unreasonable to expect. You wouldn't have to worry about running legends datasheets if you had friends, you wouldn't have to worry about the competitiveness if you had friends, and once you learned to play with your friends you could have played pickup games and maybe enjoyed it. But it's not my fault if you come to the hockey arena for beer league and don't know how to skate, nor is it my responsibility to make sure you have fun while you hold your hockey stick upside down
>>92629688Will they ever release a generic primarch kit so you can have your guy lost legion commander
>>92629728>Tranny faction gets tranny book Sounds about right.
>>92629724Why what? Why love Word Bearers? Because Lorgar was right all along and Emperor was just a massive dickhead to him about it. Erebus is still a twat though.
>>92629731Darn. I really like bringing them and putting that 4+++ on them. But yeah, they feel really underwhelming. I guess it's back to Annihilation barge
>>92629688I wouldn't care too much if it was just one or two but they're for sure going to bring more in. Can't wait for that faggot Russ to show up next.
>>92629681>Well my army is in legends, so its possibility to be fun is 0%.So? You can still play with them, unless you're a tournament only tryhard?
>>92629740>Because Lorgar was right all alongNo he wasn't.
>>92629738 Ain't no trans-shit in Dark Eldar. Thank god. LOTS of gay shit though.Real gay stuff.Butt. Stuff.
If you don't like word bearers you aren't white.Lorgar did nothing wrong and was right
>>92629712If the sales of things mattered to the actual then we wouldn't receive rules updates that make competitive things in previous editions worse in newer editions. It's all so that people who bought models with bad rules that they liked the aesthetics of last edition, have fun this edition. It's spreading out the excitement. Also if the game was so important we wouldn't have to paint our models and we wouldn't have 20 flavors of every faction with minimal differences. We'd have two factions, one black, one white, and everything would move, shoot, and behave the same way forever. It would be chess. But we don't want to play chess, we like our guys to be different and do different things because despite it causing imbalances, the anesthetics are more important than the rules
>>92629765I'd like them if they actually got unique models like their old FW stuff, otherwise they're just>Chaos Marines but...red and not KHORNE
>>92629771Still better then cornfags
>>92629765I only like lorgar because he made the whole story for the imperium move forward. Otherwise I really don't know anything about him or care all that much about word bearers
Any decent books for White Scar stuff?
>>92629780>MUH STORY NEEDS TO MOVE FORWARD You are the cancer killing 40k
>>92629753He was so wrong that his Lectitio Divinitatus became the foundation of the Imperial Cult and Imperial Creed administered by the priesthood of the Adeptus Ministorum.At worst he was just ahead of his time, worshipping the Emperor before it was cool.
>>92629788Brother, I just like that we have evil humans and good humans. I never said I needed anything beyond that or wanted anything beyond that
>>92629783All of their heresy novels a phenomenal! Seriously, read them. They're separate from the rest of the heresy, for the most part, so can be read on their own.Read order is:Jaghatai Khan: Warhawk of ChogorisBrotherhood of the Storm (Legacies of Betrayal: Book 31)Scars: Book 28Brotherhood of the Moon (Eye of Terra: Book 35)Grey Talon (Shattered Legions: Book 43)Allegiance (War Without End: Book 33)The Path of Heaven: Book 36The Last Son of Prospero (The Horus Heresy: Heralds of the Siege Book 52)RestorerIn 40k, the Last Hunt is also fantastic.
>>92629692post models
>>92629783Nobody likes or cares about White Scars, stop pretending.
>>92629788I think its trolls like you that are ruining 40K really anon, the story has to advance sometimes to allow for new models and settings.
>>92629765>Lorgar did nothing wrong and was rightNo.Emperor did nothing wrong and was right about everything.There are no gods, no gods worth worshipping.
>>92629812>Emperor did nothing wrong and was right about everything.
>>92629795>He was so wrong he did the worst thing he could have possibly doneSo he was wrong.
>>92629811AdVaNcInG tHe StOrYlInE is always a mistake.
>>92629765Lorgar did everything wrong and is ultimately more arrogant than Fulgrim.
>>92629811Go stick your Primaris models up your ass faggot
>>92629712>>92629769Youre both incoherent. Double check your work before you post it.
>>92629788No he's not, anon is an actual real thing
>>92629818No, the Emperor was wrong for rejecting his Divinity, and believing in the stupid notion that he could hide the warp for humanity forever. Chaos would always find a way to worm its way back in as the Emperor could never have hoped to actually eliminate all of humanity flaws, which feed Chaos. The Emperor, once again, was a victim of his own hubris.
>>92629795Lorgar enacted a self fulfilling prophecy with his actions.>Lorgar writes spiritual book>Emperor rejects divinity and the notion of it>The heresy forces the Imperium to turn to faith to overcome the trials humanity is now facing and the Emperor cant tell them no>SEE SEE I WAS RIGHT
>>92629805AightEven took one just for you.Tourist.
I dunno ask /hhg/
We got scans of the Ork dex yet?
>>92629834His plan was never to hide the warp forever. His ultimate aim was to turn humanity into a race that were so pshycically dominant that no amount of warp affliction could taint them. The warpway that Magnus fucked up was part of that domination.Emps rejected the notion of the warp because he didnt want to do the equivalent of letting a child play with an open flame
>>92629836The Heresy came about simply because the Emperor told some fairly massive lies about reality, and thought he could get away with it.
>>92629819If you enjoy any lore post rogue trader then you enjoy some part of the story line advanced to some extent.>inb4 I only play rogue trader today in 2024Post RT rulebook with mangled spine if true
>>92629765Philosophically he was right - humanity has an innate spiritual need and a desire to belong to something greater than themselves. Where he fucked up was deciding to throw his lot in with literal daemons and monsters that will slit his throat or turn him into a gibbering mess the instant he's no longer useful to them. Homeboy definitely did plenty wrong even if he was right.
>>92629827>youre both incoherentYou're
>>92629844>so pshycically dominant that no amount of warp affliction could taint them.Yeah yeah, go have a look at the Eldar Homeworlds for how that plan would have panned out. Oh wait, you can't, as theres a giant gaping warp asshole there now. Its just another example of the Emperor trying to do the impossible because he's so stuck up his own asshole in self-belief.
>>92629860Take your adderal before you post, thats all im asking.
>>92627569>What‘s the best 40K model?These two beautiful fuckers. They're just perfect and I adore everything about 'em.
>>92629837>unbased
>>92629861>for how that plan would have panned outThe Eldar didnt have a spiritual purpose. They had nothing to do so they all raped eachother into making a new god.The Emperor and all his sons were autistic so the plan was never going to work but the plan was there and it wasnt just "do nothing".
>>92629854>Where he fucked up was deciding to throw his lot in with literal daemons and monsters that will slit his throat or turn him into a gibbering mess the instant he's no longer useful to them.But he didn't do that until the Emperor rejected the Truth about his divinity, and all because the Emperor was lying to the Primarchs and humanity as a whole about the nature of reality. If the Emperor wasn't a self-aggrandising lying shit, none of this would have happened.
>>92629728>"guys if we don't stop these tyranid hivefleets from hybridizing it's over" >a shitload of eldar die, the farseer who predicted it knowingly consigns his soul to Slaanesh, even fucking Deldar hit the 2nd capillary tower to save the day >stupid bitch captures live samples and brings them to haemonculi specifically to hybridize Lelith isn't cool she's a dumb obnoxious cunt, I hope she gets clowned on.
>>92629868He is based. Hes standing on grey concrete and the Nightbringer had a little pee pee accident.
>>92629865>im*I'm
>>92629876Fighting those hybrid-Tyranids (which is a unit I NEED on the tabletop) made her even more popular in the gladiator pits of the Dark City. They were already winning the battle and she merely took some slaves home like all Dark Eldar do. Don't see what's wrong with that.
>>92629628You're supposed to build your own retard traffic cone out of plasticard and random bits
>>92629876yeah honestly this and the ynnari shit makes her obnoxious and boring to mewould have preferred some other character that's more the smart and sneaky type like the deldar path novels
>>92629895That's not what tau women look like and you know it.
>>92629811what prevents stories and settings from being added in the thousands of years before the present of the setting? or are the stories and settings you want exclusively about primarshit?
>>92629893I liked the Ynnari plot with her because she immediately saw a chance for more power and took it. Smart? Probably not.A very Dark Eldar thing to do? Oh yes.
>>92629837>painted so long ago the paint on the base rim is rubbing off>still no basing material anywhere to be seenActual children have completed armies and their brains haven't even fully developed, what's your excuse anon
>>92629876>isn't cool she's a dumb obnoxious cuntOk, but enough about the fact she's a woeman.What's her deal beyond that?
>>92629898>what prevents stories and settings from being added in the thousands of years before the present of the setting?See Fem-stodes for details on how adding past lore pans out.
>>92629909that has nothing to do with the fact the thing was retroactively added and everything to do with the nature and reason of the addition
>>92629886Didn't they graft Tyranids to themselves too?Fuck that seems like a disaster on the making if I ever saw one
>>92629901did she though? I'm not sure what her goal even is going along with them, she's lost her status in Commorragh for what, being part of a group of jobbers who annoy all the craftworlds and fuck around until they get enough people killed?
>still at it
>>92629886what's wrong is being told they need to stop them merging because it will cause the death of the entire eldar race including herlike ok it probabyl wouldn't apply to the ones they kill in the arena and hopefully it ends there but why the fuck would you do that when you can just get a haemonculus to modify one of them to look spikier or whatever
Yall niggas need to get your dick wet before participating in hobbies. You'd be a lot more inclined to enjoy it as is and probably would be much less angry overall
>>92629930Makes for good TVSimple as
>>92629921They were made to be killed in a gladiator pits as part of a huge event she was planning that was interrupted by all the Ynnari stuff happening. They were killed off before/during all the shit that followed sadly so we'll never see 'em on the tabletop.>>92629922She originally joined the Ynnari as Ynnead has a way of curing the soul thirst all Dark Eldar feel. It was basically her way of becoming properly immortal without needing to murder-fuck people all the time.Then the Ynnari were forgotten and that'll likely never matter.>>92629930>what's wrong is being told they need to stop them merging because it will cause the death of the entire eldar race including herlike ok it probabyl wouldn't apply to the ones they kill in the arena and hopefully it ends there but why the fuck would you do that when you can just get a haemonculus to modify one of them to look spikier or whateverShe's a Dark Eldar, mate. They're short sighted and impulsive.
I painted a model!
>>92629816>wordtard acting smug and superior because he cannot understand the word "No."
The whole point of 40k is the massive danger of having an immortal, absolute midwit being the pinnacle of your species. The '''emperor''' was always a mistake waiting to happen. Be glad it did.
>>92629944I don't believe you.
>>92629846Emperor didn't lie about anything.There are no gods.
>>92629930>because it will cause the death of the entire eldar racebased lelith is pushing forward the agenda of the ynnari by riding the tiger(tyranid)
>>92629765I'm a spic and even I like him. Same for Erebus.
>>92629944Post it
>>92629954>Emperor didn't lie about anything.>There are no gods.
>>92629938Pretty much this. Come see Lilith perform at the Cult of stryfe Arena where she fights against the prophesied doom of the Eldar, the breakers of Validor, the true apotheosis of the Great devourer and only one woman with two blades stands against annihilation.
>>92629942>It was basically her way of becoming properly immortal without needing to murder-fuck people all the time.she seemed pretty into the murder fucking so why>She's a Dark Eldar, mate. They're short sighted and impulsive.well yeah but everyone else at that battle did their part and didn't deliberately undermine the goal
>>92627616Oh yeah.
>>92629963did she at least kill all the hybrid tyranids? do they still have more?
>>92629922She did not. There is a line in one of the recent codexes that has Vect saying she is always welcome back to the Dark City.In Silent Hunters, she does in fact return and agents of Vect go to inform Vect. But in the final fight of the novel she is exposed to a Corax relic that shes a person the truth of their being/soul. She was horrified and PTSD'ed by what she saw and she allowed the humans and marines to leave the Dark City peacefully as long as they take the relic with them. I believe that this new Mike Brooks novel will jump from where Silent Hunters left off. The teaser text says that Lelith is now an anti-hero. I speculate that what she saw is pushing her to do better and become a better person with the Ynnari being her path to redemption or changing her fate. Vect from the text seems to want to remain what she always was.So...the novel will be about the struggle for the soul of the Aeldari race narrowed down to Lelith's story,
>>92629963>she gets raped and impregnated by the hybrid in front of the whole arena
>>92629942>It was basically her way of becoming properly immortal without needing to murder-fuck people all the time.You say that like Lelith doesn't already enjoy murder fucking people like it's her one true purpose in life
>>92629969if only all the eldar looked like this
>>92629965>>92629975>she seemed pretty into the murder fucking so whyShe's into it, but the older a Dark Eldar becomes, the more often they need to 'feed.'If the Dark Eldar can cure their thirst through worship of Ynnead, it allows them to become truly, properly immortal.They could do whatever they wanted, go where they wanted, live how they wanted, without worrying about anything.It's true immortality, not the shoddy version of it Dark Eldar have.But the Ynnari are mostly forgotten so now she's back in the Dark City and it no longer matters.>>92629971They're all dead, sadly. >>92629972Yep, like I said. The Ynnari plot was abandoned so her part in it will never matter. She's back in the Dark City now.
As I write to you now there is a sperg raging about rules at the 40k table, while 4 bloodbowl players are howling with laughter and having a great time over at their tables.
>>92629667I don't think anyone has much of a problem with Lorgar, just fucking Erebus and his shenanigans. Mind you, say what you like about Erebus, he did GET SHIT DONE. Good work ethic on that lad. Driven. Goal focussed.
>>92629972>important deldar lore in space marine novelbleh, just why>So...the novel will be about the struggle for the soul of the Aeldari race narrowed down to Lelith's story,I mean this sounds interesting as an idea, I just never really got the impression she had any real depth but I guess it's all in this marine novel.
>>92629876Tell me more about these uber nidders, why would they be a particularly big deal?
>>92629979>The Ynnari plot was abandoned so her part in it will never matter. She's back in the Dark City now.Are you an idiot? The teaser text mentions the Ynnari and her involvement with them as a key plotline in the novel. It's a story about Lelith caught between the pull of Vect and the YnnariAnd Kill Team mentioned the Ynnari too.Nothing was abandoned, you dipshit.
>>92629981Its pretty hard to have a bad time playing Blood Bowl unless you're dealing with elf bullshit. : )
>>92629986Read Valedor. It's fantastic and covers all of that in detail.
>>92629981Even having a tangential relationship with sports is fucking gay.
>>92629978Ynnari would have been that but people had to have a shit fit. So now we get the corsairs instead and a few other tidbits of their kit on the kill team upgrade sprue for kabalite warriors.
>>92629944>I painted a model!Narrator: Anon did not paint a model. He lied.
>>92629987Mate, I adore the Ynnari, to me they're one of the coolest things in 40k, but we both know they've been abandoned and will REALLY matter in the lore again.They'll appear in novels, be mentioned in a tiny bit of a rulebook here and there, but they'll never matter like they did in Gathering Storm.
>>92629986Valedor is about a farseer seeing that if Hive Fleets Kraken and Leviathan meet on the world of Valedor they will combine to form some new type of tyranid that will overrun everything including the Eldar so there's an alliance of Iyanden, Biel-Tan, clowns and deldar to kill them before they can merge.
>>92629979>It's true immortality, not the shoddy version of it Dark Eldar have.It's true agelessness, not immortality. If an Ynnari dies their soul is taken by Ynead, and therefore the homunculi can't scoop it back out of the warp and put them in a new body. So yeah, they will never die of thirst or time but they also can no longer cheat death once they embrace it
>>92629984Why are they getting ready to kiss, and why do you have this saved
>>92629981They're laughing about the guy playing with the sperg, the sperg is as lowly as an insect, it's mindless, it's merely its nature to be fastidious, no, the opponent is the joke for entertaining him, a hilarious self inflicted torture whose unknowing purpose is to filter the spergs so they don't reach their table.
>>92629994You will look back and see this post with shame if you ever get the chance to play Blood Bowl anon, its one of GW's best games.
>>92630000They are going to play a crucial role in the next Pariah Nexus story expansion which was hinted at since 8th ed.
>>92630000Didn't they get handled badly and get their asses kicked in their own damn novels?
>>92629997You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?
>>92630001>they will combine to form some new type of tyranid that will overrun everythingOk, but is the nature of the trump card this future tyranid would have described at all?
>>92630002>agelessness, not immortalityPotato, potahtoPlus, some Ynnari, mostly Yvraine, can resurrect fallen Ynnari so it ain't a true death.
>>92630006I want nothing to do with jacked men rubbing all over each other if they aren't fighting, I'm not a fag
>>92630002nta but I do find it weird that they can scoop up souls that Slaanesh did or would grab but not Ynneads' even though Ynnead isn't even fully realizedthough the Ynnari can also sort of revive people so technically could they just get Ynnead taken souls to put into new bodies if they had haemonculi making them? I know this was vaguely alluded to in Psychic Awakening I think?
>>92630002>taken by YneadIsn't Ynnead's deal that eventually the eldar would be able to reincarnate again?
>>92630011Of course their novels were awful. Gav Thorpe wrote them.>>92630009God I hope this is true. I love the Ynnari and want to see them become relevant once more.
>>92630023Yeah but for that to happen it needs to fully awaken and beat Slaanesh.
>>92630023Yeah, basically. >>92630022Some Ynnari can resurrect people when they die. It's a little up in the air on whether or not only Yvraine can do it, but at the very least we know Ynnari resurrection is a thing.
>>92630009>crucial roleI wouldn't call making a cameo just to get trashed by the new demon primarch a crucial role
>>92630024>ThorpeNever stood a chance, the ynnari. Why couldn't they get Andy Chambers to write it?
The custodes battleforce box looks pretty nice. Sisterbros, do you think we can hope that we will get the same treatment? Will our prayers to the God-Emperor be heard and will our devotion be rewarded with nice new models? What would be your dream battleforce box? It's clear we will face the Genestealers, thematically perfect match, fantatics against fanatics, pain to paint against pain to paint, patriarchs against matriarchs, clean catholic-gothic aeshetics against street gorilla warfare, so what would be something we will need to purge them?
>>92630031Getting Gav Thorpe to write your novels is basically asking for the faction to be ruined honestly. Ynnari are awesome ever single time they appear, except when Thorpe gets his vile hands on them.
It's crazy how any fucking question you might have this guy has a video on it
>>92630024This, they CAN be written well, Turn of the Adder by JC Stearns was great.
>>92630032*Femstodes
>>92630011Not really, no. You might be mixing up the novels with the Psychic Awakening campaign.
>>92630034I know. The first few hints at eldar unification dropped in the Andy Chambers dark eldar trilogy were great, handled with care and the eldar didn't get their asses kicked by anyone.
>>92630037I FUCKING LOVE Turn of the Adder. It was the Ynnari done right and it was awesome!
>>92630041Guy Haley's Valedor also handled it really well.
>>92630041The Dark Eldar trilogy was fantastic and if the Ynnari had a series as good as it, they likely would have been much more popular.>>92630044To be fair, Valedor is one of the best 40k novels ever.
>>92630044Honestly I thought it was quite boring.
>>92630011That was Eldar in general in Thorpe's Path novels, and then the Ynnari in Psychic Awakening. The Ynnari books were just kind of pointless.
>>92630038Adeptus Fraternitus Brothers of Battle when?
>>92630049The fighting scenes weren't amazing but I loved the characters, the dramatic plotlines, everyone's personal issues and character arcs, the whole every flavor of Eldar getting together to stop the apocalypse thing.
>>92630000Ynnari is shittiest thing ever in 40k (after primaris and primarchs), they doing completely nothing good for eldar>>92630002In Test of Faith haemoncul kill and return to live one ynnari fag several times
>>92629765>>92629854Lorgar is retarded and his fanfic 30k characterization is the result of 40k being written first and existing for decades so the """prequel""" was always gonna end up retarded.In any sensible world Lorgar would simply couch his worship of the Emperor and preaching to conquered worlds as being done via veneration of the OMNISSIAH, who the Emperor had explicitly accepted was one and the same with himself as part of the Treaty of Mars. Even when Big E was alive and mobile Mars was equal in power to Terra and he needed the Mechanicus and their forge worlds and so accepted the official dogma of Emperor=Omnissiah and allowed the tech-priesthood to exist and manage the Titan Legions which were way more numerous then than now. If Lorgar had made all his marines worship the Mechanicus and aligned himself with Mars there's literally nothing Big E could have done about it. This would also make for a far more interesting plot as Big E's own actions would come back to bite him in the ass and the plot would ACTUALLY confront the inherent contradiction of Imperial Truth coexisting at the same time as "The Emperor is the Omnissiah, who slew the Void Dragon on Mars, and whose glory we pray to along with appeasing the sacred Machine Spirits!"Instead all the BL writers are fucking morons who write Big E as a reddit atheist fedora tipper and the fact Emperor=Omnissiah was established dogma even in 30k is barely addressed, certainly never when a Word Bearer is present. Nope, it's just "REEEEE I MUST PRAY! I MUST! IF I DON'T PRAY FIVE TIMES A DAY I GO INSAAAAAANE! I GUESS I'LL WORSHIP THE OBJECTIVELY EVIL AND SADISTIC EMOTIONAL WARP ENTITIES INSTEAD OF LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE!" Word bearers suck. 30k sucks. Black Library sucks. Lorgar is retarded.
>>92629986Remember when Tyranids where making a brain super structure thingy, from what I understand it's that on steroidsIt wouldn't surprise me if the Tyranids are the ones that destroy chaos with a giant psychic meatball deathstar or something, if the writers were smart Tyranids would coordinate their narwhals to buttfuck points of resistance, but alas they prefer to eat than pull planets apartSeriously some of the shit nids casually use are terrifying, the fuckers could technically get away with creating gravity wells if they wanted
What do you think of my Plague Combi-Bolter, anons?
>>92630020I'm sorry you're so insecure in your sexuality that you will deny yourself the right to play one of the best tabletop games.
>>92630059They look cool and that is enough. The rest is just mishandling by Gav.
>>92630059>Ynnari is shittiest thing ever in 40k (after primaris and primarchs), they doing completely nothing good for eldarYou mean besides making the various Eldar races even cooler, introducing intriguing, badass characters and being all around awesome?Well, awesome if you ignore the Thorpe shite lmao
>>92630069I don't know what's worseThat an attempt was done and it didn't sellOr that they fumbled the attempt so badly they abandoned itBoth options suck
>>92630020>I want nothing to do with jacked men rubbing all over each other if they aren't fightingTheres very few actual "men" in it anon, given how its Warhammer Fantasy races, just the Norse, Bretonnia and Humans would quality out of 32 teams to choose from. Beside they ARE fighting, its Blood Bowl, you are free to kill the opposing team as a route to victory.
>>92630073I just hope someday GW give them PROPER rules again like in 7th.Everyone can use each other's transports, for example. I miss Wraitblades in Raiders. It was cool and fluffy to have Banshees rolling about in a Venom, or Trueborn in a Falcon.
>>92630069Nta but my problems with them are that they keep wrecking every craftworld they go to, that the sword plot stalled and they've done nothing but job and get people killed since, that Yvraine is boring and I still don't feel like I get why she's doing any of this other than that she was made into a chosen one, and that they've been turned into Imperium sidekicks with the stupid Guilliman thing when that's the last thing I want from any faction of Eldar. If they were actually interesting and the focus on them making Eldar stronger by using an Eldar made god to gain back their freedom from Slaanesh that would work better but right now they just seem to make every single kind of Eldar weaker and less in control of their own fate.
>>92630080Yep. I adore the Ynnari, but I'm the first to admit that their plot just sort of fell off and stopped. They've been forgotten, beyond a short story here, mention in a novel here and some shitty rules in a codex every now and then.They simply don't matter now, and that's a huge shame.
>>92630066Not only Gav write gathering storm, and it compeletely poor writing. Also, Biel Tan die for nothing, Iyanden suck hardly than before.>>92630069You mean we should forget about all the other existing Eldar, just for the sake of jerking off to useless ynnari cultists and yvraine-smurfjobber wanking?
>>92630091Gathering Storm was very well written? And no? Obviously the other Eldar factions/characters still exist you fucking dumbass.
>>92628001Main purchasers being moms? B.S.
>>92630078Now imagine my despair at exodites fucking neverThere could have been a time in which Eldar got new sculpts and lore if they didn't fumbled this so badly
>>92628213Slaanesh, not emperors children.Excess for the sake of excess, sex drugs and rock and roll with heaps of S&M. Whips that cause unimaginable pain and pleasure, space marines with guitars and noise for weapons, because it overwhelms the senses and its ridiculous. Memes could be attributed to slaanesh as much as tzeentch, porn even more so.
>>92630098I fucking love Wood Elves and play them in every game I can (Lothlorien in MESBG, Wanderers in AoS, Sylvan Kin is KoW etc) so if they ever made Exodites I would buy everything they ever released for them in an instant.It would've been awesome to get them as units for the Ynnari if the faction ever got a proper codex, but it would be even better if the Exodites got their own codex.That will never happen though, the most we can hope for is a Kill Team release.
>>92628223Nurgle has a new disease for every cure man.
>>92629144>larger scaled organism will have slower movementsAnd this is 40k and it isn't realistic.Both marines and custodes are regularly described to be able to move faster than a human eye can track, and this is also without power armor too.
>>92628223The great crusade would have been an utter flop. Unaugmented humans would've gotten dunked on by a lot of the xenos monstrosities around during that period of time.
>>92630052The Ecclesiarchy still can have no "men" at arms.So they'll only have "women" warriors but need to have Cisters and Transters of Battle.
>>92630066>The rest is just mishandling by Gav.I think that's way overstated. Ynnari were a fairly popular way of playing space elves in 8th edition because waac soup was the way to play. The rollout of 9th edition is what sunk that particular meta for playing the different eldar flavors. This might have been alleviated had the faction been massively more popular in the fluff, but from their debut in Fracture of Biel-Tan there was rather strong antipathy directed towards them from people invested in the fluff, meaning it would be a very long and steep uphill battle to turn people's opinion on them.Another issue with getting hobbyists and players to embrace the new development is that there was really nothing there. To date there's still only a single kit for Ynnari and there's no indication that any more were ever planned. So the Ynnari on the tabletop were essentially a pairing of very disposable rules (they didn't even have rules in a codex while they were still the way to play deldar) and all the same models people had been building their space elf armies with for the past 10-20 years beforehand. Lasting attachment to an army doesn't easily develop when it doesn't really have models to do stuff with, not even a buy-in infantry unit that might set a basic level of commitment.
>>92629902>>92629868Basing is cringe.And you faggots aren't posting models, so consider suicide.
>>92630094They still exist, because ynnigers as conception is completely fall. Some not survive, like Kysaduras (half or army with phoenix lords and Ulthran lost to Ahriman is fuckken kek), some forgotten, like Iyanna, Illic, entire Alaitoc, Nuadhu.
>>92630194>They still exist, because ynnigers as conception is completely fall. Some not survive, like Kysaduras (half or army with phoenix lords and Ulthran lost to Ahriman is fuckken kek), some forgotten, like Iyanna, Illic, entire Alaitoc, Nuadhu.Can you try typing that again in proper english?
wooooooooow3 grifters with patreons have come together and.. come up with a grift with another patreonmakes sense that ex gw eployees would be grifters just like their former eployer
>who are you?>I am you, but coolerYnnari are like primaris marines, kind of annoys the fluff, but the cool factor does help.
>>92630155Basing is based anon, it's the name,
I use clear acryllic bases.
>>92630213Man that kit was fucking awesome and it gives us a glimpse of how cool the Ynnari could have looked if they were a full faction with unique models and a codex.
>>92630206>makes sense that ex gw eployees would be grifters just like their former eployerThey learned from the best.Why be mad that they are putting their learned skills to use?:)
>>92630206>Peachy leaves a podcast built around warhammer knowledge leaving it dead in the water>so he can do another podcast about warhammer>called JUGGZIt is pretty hilarious how much they want to recreate Duncan's success.
>>92630233Based (literally). Its lazy as fuck and removes a lot of artistic expression.but I can understand why people do it.
>>92629805
>>92630213those are corsairs, not ynnari
>>92630267Don't bother, he's living in denial.
>>92630262Not bad. What did you use to get such a nice skin tone?
How does this fucking company make any money?
>>92630267I know they are. But they're a mix of Rangers, Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar and thus give us a glimpse at what the Ynnari (who are a combo of the Eldar races) could have looked like.Dumb tit.
>>92630206The biggest jugs on that show belong to the fellas.
>>92630267Yeah they got repurposed. One of them literally has the visarchs helmet, cmon.
>>92630206why the name?
>>92630289Plastic is very very cheap to produce.
>>92630304you mean the drew carey one?
>>92630289What's more annoying is things like Necromunda tactics cards being eternally sold out when they're a fundamental part of the game.
>>92630267they were ynnari, we've been over this>>92630273IronicThe best part about discussing warhammer products on a warhammer forum is discussing it with people who have no idea what they're talking about, don't take into account that these are products with things happening behind the scene.I was here long enough to see a couple dozen cases of educated prediction just answered by "bro he's in denial" and see these projecting deniers blown out of the fucking water never to be heard from again from sheer shame and embarassement."Corsairs" are a repurposed Ynnari kit, it's obvious to anyone who has eyes and understand how GW operates.but yeah, "nu-huh, you denial bro". Good fucking job.
>>92630330Truly delusional.
>>92630330I think it is equally likely that the Visarch is a recycled model for a Corsair prince (and Yvraine is recycled as well), although I am aware of the interviews that claim the opposite.Regardless, the Visarch and Void scarred definitely share design elements.
>>92630336Case in point, thank you.Playing chess with a pigeon
>>92630203NTA, but this ESL-kun was right - ynnari is worst jobbers who ruin everything what eldar have.
>>92630155If basing was unbased it wouldn't be called basing
>>92629707>Lorgar did nothing wrongLorgar did plenty wrong. Luckily for him Erebus was around to clean up his mess.
>>92630289Have you not looked at the pricetags?
>>92630349You can't play chess with a pigeon. You're delusional if you think the pigeon is playing chess with you.
>>92630330>Visarch - nu-Yriel>Yvraine - Lady MalysAtleast, that was old rumours
Hmmmmmmmmmm
>>92630345>I think it's as likely that (unfounded schizo claim) happened as likely as (proven claim) happenedYou live in a fever dream
>>92630369I can see Malys if I squint, but why would the Visarch by Yriel if he doesn't have the damn spear of twilight?
>>92629910I wish Tau looked like that
>>92630155>I am angry, angry at my own shit modelsYou could fix that anon. We know you won't though given the age on that base rim lmao>post modelsThat isn't going to help you finish yours
>>92629961>He thinks Chaos are gods
>>92630371>all complete>no base
Sector imperialis if real.
>>92630391TBF he came with a 40mm round back in the day which is too small.I have a box full of Chinesium bases
>>92629875You keep focusing on the emperor being a dipshit and ignore the part where he threw his lot in with literal daemons. Emperor fucked up yes but that doesn't mean Lorgar wasn't a retard.
>>92630377>spear of twilight2 hrs in CAD, and he will have it.
>>92630395>anons army if he painted instead of posting useless nonsense
>>92630395>Not sure if AI...
>>92630400... anon said, defending the Emperor who now has daemons of his own in the form of Living Saints. Sounds like Lorgar should have been listened to from the start to me, he could have been churning out Living Saints from his cathedral planets by now.
>>92630060Cope loyalist cuck
>>92630402>hey bro want to have a game? my collection vs your collection!
>>92630420Potent psykers are not daemons
>>92630402I didn't realize painting your army came with the debilitating risk of turning you into a soijak
>>92630420>>92629836
>>92630448How could you not? The stereotypical warhammer player is a fat bald guy with a beard and glasses.
>>92630387Translation: I'm a no models faggot that only knows how to complain.Kill yourself secondary.
>>92630452>Emperor rejects divinity and the notion of itHe can reject it all he wants, but to do so was to lie, as a fundamental fact of the 40k universe is that worship of an individual makes them more powerful in the Warp. >The heresy forces the Imperium to turn to faith to overcome the trials humanity is now facing and the Emperor cant tell them noThe heresy, which came about because the Emperor was lying through his teeth to his Primarchs and humanity as a whole about the nature of reality and the warp. Big E just had to tell the truth and he could have avoided this fate, but no no, he thought that only he could handle it the big pompous idiot that he is.
>>92630467Thank god I'm only two of those things
>>92630486the other two come with time I'm afraid anon. At best you can avoid fat.
>>92630307Louise Sugden, one of the people on that podcast is affectionally known as Suggs.
Anons, do you prefer to ply against lore established chapters/fleets etc or mydudes?
>>92630490>At best you can avoid fat.Bald is easy to avoid, just don't be unlucky.
>>92630060>Word bearers suck. 30k sucks. Black Library sucks. Lorgar is retarded.I think it's funny the emperor is worshiped as a god, even as a chaos god by some of the weirder chaos cults in 40k. But Lorgar has no room for Chaos Emperor because he's still mad that daddy told him to stop being a little faggot.
>>92629771To the contrary, when building marines from the Legionaries box I was surprised at how versatile and different you can build them. All guns on iron warriors, few obvious symbols of chaos worship. Night Lords with their little skull pauldrons, Black Legion with topknot guys, alpha legion is whatever since they either look like everyone or no one or scales. Word Bearers? You slap every gun, body and icon on them and they look chaosy as fuck. A wonderful project that made me realize the separate chaos armies are probably a dumb idea but it's too late now. With word bearers, besides stuff like the dark apostle, what would you even include in their own special army?
>>92630498>Anons, do you prefer to ply against lore established chapters/fleets etc or mydudes?Mydudes every time.
>>92630330>Visarch is shown>right from the go Goodwin says Visarch is intended to look like corsairs>years later corsairs are shown>there's clear resemblance between them and Visarch>maybe that's because he's supposed to look like a corsair as the lead designers said from the start>or maybe there was a giant coverup where a whole new Ynnari army was designed and ready to be released but for reasons unexplained GW decided to sit on all their work for another half decade before releasing a single kit under a different name for a side gameAnd they would have gotten away with it if only the truth hadn't come to you in a dream.
Why did Emperor like to tip his fedora so much? What the hate for religion?
>>92630498Lore established every time. That way it isn't just some random captain fighting an Ork, it is Pedro Kantor. It ain't a random Eldar killing Tyranids, it's Prince Yriel. More fun to use established characters and such.
>>92629847Didn't they re-release the RT rulebook?
>>92629874The plan as underlined in MoM was to cut humanity off from the Warp. With the Webway project in shambles then no matter how resistant mankind becomes to Chaos, their emotions will destroy them the same way the Aeldari's did.
>>92630506>he's still mad that daddy told him to stop being a little faggot.I'd be mad too if I was right, and I knew I was in the right and my dad came along and trampled all over my fancy property development and made me and all my homies forcefully bend the knee in front of fucking Ultrasmurfs, who had assisted in ruining my shit. And all because daddy didn't think that I'd been kicking over xenos and renegade human non-Imperials fast enough, but also couldn't be arsed telling anyone what the big rush was about. Man I detest the Emperor, he's such a fucking moron, at least now he's stuck in the prison of his own creation, stuck on the Throne he was going to forcefully use Magnus as a battery for.
>>92630545>Man I detest the Emperor, he's such a fucking moron, at least now he's stuck in the prison of his own creationAnon you know he isn't a real person right? You are getting pretty mad about someone who doesn't exist
>>92630545>Cause so much bullshit everyone has to default to your trash idea >"See, I was le right!"Do Word Bearers really
>>92630529Yeah and if you played RT regularly then the spine would be broken from leaving it open during a 3 hour game multiple times, as would any book given enough use
>>92630556What an odd comment. Do you not feel emotion when you're reading books or watching films anon? Do you not hate characters who are supposed to be hated in TV shows?
>>92630481>I'm still angry my models suckYou still have time anon! All it takes is you not being a loser for like 15 minu- I guess that's not realistic, I'm sorry anon
Only non whites hate Chadgar
>>92630525You are retarded.
>>92630448Brother you play warhammer, and hang out on 4chan, youre already past the point of no return. If you painted itd be game over
>>92630560>Cause so much bullshit everyone has to default to your trash ideaIronically that also describes the Emperors plan for the future of humanity.
>>92630527Religion feeds warp entitties but richard dawkins is dumb and made cringism popular amongst 105 IQ mental midgets who can't explain why they fucking love science (TM) but will make sure to tell you that they love it. And that is why emperor is a reddit atheist instead of a tyrant enforcing his dogma.
>>92630582Except the Emperor's plan was much better
>>92630448Bro look in the mirror lol. You probably resemble a basedjack yourself.
>>92630571I sense... Projection.
>>92629837Looks like he vomited up his spaghetti.
>>92630590Oh yeah, and all humanity had to give up for it to work was any form of free will whatsoever. So based!
>>92630602Yeah, not like chaos at all. They were both shit, one was just substantial less shit.
Of the models you own what percentage would you say you have>Built>Primed>Painted>Based>Used in a gameI'm sitting at about a 100/66/50/50/75 right now.
>>92630618>built/primed 99%>painted 1%
>>92630612>Yeah, not like chaos at all.My position is that Lorgar should have been allowed to carry on worshipping the Emperor during the Great Crusade, because the Emperors Great Plan was ultimately doomed to failure anyway, mostly because he couldnt stop lying and telling half-truths to everyone. The humans during the DAoT managed to get by with the warp existing perfectly fine, without imposing dictatorial rule on the entire species.
>>92630382Gw has not been able to consistently illustrate tau for 20 years. For all anyone knows they do look like that
>>92630618>Built80% ish. >PrimedOf those built 100%>PaintedOf those built 100%>BasedOf those built 100%>Used in a gameprobably about 50% if even that. I just like collecting and painting my wee dudes, if it gets me a game so be it. I generally don't go and build more models until I finish off the last ones, usually because I'm more interested in building whats interesting to me and less because I need it for an upcoming game.
>>92630493so the podcast is just about her? not the other 2?
>>92630618I have a full scions army and a full nid army sitting on sprue currently that i'm procrastinating on. I have necrons, custodes and salamanders fully finished and ive played games with all of them. So i'll be lazy and say 60/40 yes/no to all your questions.
>>92630639just because you don't like their depiction it doesn't mean it isn't consistent >but what about this minute detail? uh? that means tau may as well be like my porn!
>>92630647>scionsYou mean imperial guard.
>>92630629>The humans during the DAoT managed to get by with the warp existing perfectly fine, without imposing dictatorial rule on the entire species.I thought vash'torr corrupted the robots and caused teem to go full chaos android and kill humanity's empire.
>>92630639they have consistently illustrated tau to not look like the coomer animu tau shit you jack off to for 20 years.
Necrons are so gay now.
Lorgar didn't even do anything, Erebus was the real chad puppeting him.
>>92630670careful, you've posted criticism of nu40k. you may now get hit with posts of 'post models' and 'fake zoomer grog'
>>92630662That's just a piece of lore that, in typical GW shitty fashion, may or may not be true.
>>92630670They were always gay, they just got gayer
>>92630599>I'm still mad my models are shit>but maybe ill pretend other people's models are shit>then they'll forget my models are shit>this is a genius planYou should project some sand and pva onto your bases and maybe then we'd think you weren't a secondary
>>92630679Post bussy
>>92630686Yes. Yeeeees.
>>92630684I can't pretend your models are shit when you have none, dear secondary-kun
Can we just kill Warhammer already
>>92630691But my life is empty without Warhams...
Is there good Mordian stuff in this series? I remember seeing Mordians on several of the covers.
>>92630702Who's the manlet space marine
>>92630525>Visarchh is intended to look like corsairsInterview said the Visarch is intended to look like old eldars, which mix elements from CWE and DE.Oh wait, isn't that what Ynnari is? Mixing CWE and DE?Oh wait, isn't the Visarch a leading character of Ynnari?MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMH
>>92630702>the netflix squad vs straight white malesanother masterpiece from the dawn of fire series I see
>>92630691no can do competitive players will keep it alive no matter what and keep pissing into everyone elses cereal like alwayseveryone else is cool with playing older editions and lorebeards will easily fight over the current lore for next 40 years so theyre good too
>>92630545>I'd be mad too if I was right,Lorgar wasn't right or correct about anything.If you cannot understand the simple sentence of "There will be no religion or superstition in Imperium and you will not worship me as a god."And you even go as far as creating a religion with your father as the central figure, even though explicitly has told you "No."Then you fully DESERVE the consequences of your actions.It's like your dad saying not to touch the hot stove, doing it anyway and then getting mad at him because you got burned.
>>92630770But the emperor lied about god's being real and clearly faith is good because you get shit like living saints.
>>92630629>The humans during the DAoT managed to get by with the warp existing perfectly fine, without imposing dictatorial rule on the entire species.Because humanity had completely divorced itself from religion and the Warp during the DAoT before the Age of Strife was actually calm and placid, it wasn't the hell scape that we know now.>>92630662>I thought vash'torr corrupted the robots and caused teem to go full chaosNo, that is literal fanfiction you just came up with.Nothing about the cybernetic revolt is known, and no Vashtorr was never involved in it because he is piece of shit that was retconned into the setting.
Media literacy killed 40k
>>92630777>piece of shit that was retconned into the settingSounds like everything related to Lorgar causing the Heresy
>>92630777>Nothing about the cybernetic revolt is known, and no Vashtorr was never involved in it because he is piece of shit that was retconned into the setting.The lore on vashtorr literally says he was involved in the DAoT and its ending.>retconned inChaos Androids ending the DAoT is rogue trader fluff.
>>92630773>But the emperor lied about god's being realHe didn't lie about anything, he didn't deny the existance of Warp entities.He just denied their divinity, because he knows better. They aren't gods, they are a giant cognito hazard and self aware memetic parasites who are parading around duping dumb idiots like Lorgar into worshipping them.>and clearly faith is goodIt is not, even in 40k the entire faith is a sham at best.It doesn't protect anyone from any Chaos shit, for fuck sakes, it has been established time and time again that being TOO fanatical worshipper of the Emperor, will lead to becoming corrupted by Chaos. This is how the Fall of Vraks started with Xaphan.And we also know why this is true is purely because the Ordo Hereticus EXISTS, the only reason why this inquisitorial branch even exists is purely to be the tard wranglers of the Ecclesiarchy and the Imperial Cult and specifically go around doing routine purges of retards so corruption stays to a minimum.
>>92630781True. 40k is best enjoyed by illiterates.
>>92630799>The lore on vashtorr literally saysNulore, ignore.He is a faggot GW retconned into the setting.
>>9263078140k died explicitly when it stopped being about even just basic shit like roid guys with guns shooting aliens and rape daemons and became about dumb shit like women in space being strong women that no one wanted.
>>92630715>Interview said the Visarch is intended to look like old eldars, which mix elements from CWE and DE.You either didn't read the whole paragraph or you're making a dishonest omission. In either case you're referencing an interview that says the Visarch looks like a Corsair.
What colour base pairs nicely with a yellow/black paint scheme? Armageddon Dust?
>>92630828Visarch was always designed to be an Ynnari character first.
>local store got 2 copies of the custodes stuff>still unsoldoh no no no no
>>92630833Purple Mars.
>>92630834No one ever said otherwise. The argument started because of the unsubstantiated claim that the Kill Team was secretly conceived as a bespoke Ynnari kit and not as a Corsair kit. And evidently that line of thinking is retarded.
>>92630799No it doesn't, that's an in-universe theory.
>>92630833If you've got a colourful model colour, a more muted base helps it pop out. Im currently using a dark blue gravel base with plenty of skulls for my orange nids.
>>92630835Buy them, cretin
>>92630699Same
>>92630815>like women in space being strong women that no one wantedTbf, this would have been fine if wasn't done by faggots with a clear ulterior motive in mind
giwtwm
>>92630865Nice try, but we do NOT buy your products around these parts, GW shill-kun.
>>92630864Thanks Anon. Your input helps.
What is the old yellow pillow of 40k?
>>92630895warp spiders
>>92630483>but to do so was to lieEmps lies to everyone constantly though, he's a trickster figure making you think he is a warrior figure.
>>92630895Deathwatch/grey knights.
People who say big E is evil, how are these not worst?>a god that likes torture and hedony>a god that wants you to slaughter everyone and everything around you>a god that spreads diseases>a god that lies all the time
>>92630912The Eldar race is worse than all of them
>>92630912Trannies are always really into Chaos. That should tell you all you need to know.
My biggest complaint for codexs at the moment is how units are costed for being ran in a specific detachment. Which translates to units being pretty worthless in every other situation outside of said detachment. I do not like feeling pressured to run units in a way that GW decides i should run them.
>>92630566Sure but when I'm done watching them that emotion fades because my brain makes the connection that it was not real. If you stay mad about a fictional character you are actually retarded
>>92630943the current crop of monkey brained 40k devs could not handle it, but in the ideal world every detachment would have its own unique points costs for units. You can't tell me a crisis squad in a mont'ka detachment (gaining lethal hits and other buffs) should cost the same as in a kroot detachment (no buffs).
>>92630065That's one colorblind scheme
>>92630954>crisis squad in a mont'ka detachment (gaining lethal hits and other buffs)wait what did they bring back those silly formations from 6th edition but now call them detachments
>>92630881>Look it up>Those runes are just random ones from the 2E Eldar CodexWizards out here casting random bullshit
>>92630943>GW shrimplified 10th to the point of ultra-bland abstraction>They still can't manage to balance shitBring back 7th, it was cancer but at least it was entertaining in the broken mess that it was.
>>92630777>Because humanity had completely divorced itself from religion and the Warp during the DAoT before the Age of StrifeNo. It didn't. Humanity still used Warp travel and Psyker-tech. And there is nothing about DAoT being secular. In fact, the backward cultures of the Knight Worlds rose during the DAoT.Be'lakor and the Daemons of Chaos were rampaging in the galaxy long before the Age of Strife. The Age of Strife is when things went wrong.Another example, Chaos tainted Space Hulks were known to humanity before DAoT even became a thing. It's stated that the Gallowdark was encountered by the early human space travels of the Long March from Terra>No, that is literal fanfiction you just came up with.No. It's an in-verse theory about Vashtorr. There is a cycle of rapid technological advancement that's followed by a horrific collapse that has been going on in the galaxy for a long time. The theory is that Vashtorr is connected to it. It sounds plausible but it's not confirmed
>>92630402How many points is that?
>>92630976No they just renamed subfactions into detachments
>>92630895Dreadnoughts in-universe Warp Spiders IRL
>>92630992Most sub-factions didn't focus so hard on specific niches of the army
>>92631003Why are BA the only ones who can put their libbies in dreads?
>>92631010why can't *ANY* Chaos Legion put their sorcerer's in dreads?
>>92631010Because they're the only Legion that actually ended up using the psychic dreadnought blueprints that Magnus send them during the Great Crusade.
>>92631013Because Chaos Legions don't have dreadnoughts, they have helbrutes :^)
>>92631020I don't use corporate slave names :^)
>>92630992i just got a flashback how every single army was solely made from different formationsevery single unit included was a part of some formation that gave it some special rules so pretty much every single army ended up looking the exact same in the end fuck that was terrible
>>92630983Nulore, ignored.
>>92631004No, but they're still subfactions
>>92631023Based.
>>92631025>The shadows were better
>>92631010There are so many dreadnought variants that require modern plastic kits.>Primaris Librarian Dreadnought>Primaris Techmarine Dreadnought>Primaris Apothecary Dreadnought>Primaris Chaplain Dreadnought>Primaris Inner Circle Companion Dreadnought>Primaris Lieutenant Dreadnought>Primaris Scout DreadnoughtAnd that barely covers it. It's like GW wants to lose money.
Where the fuck are the Ork bat reps
Where the fuck is the Ork photodex
>>92631020this is both the memetic answer and the correct answerchaos dreadnoughts' pilots do not retain the level of sanity or expertise usually expected of a sorcerer and being interred into a dreadnought it's a curse, not a honorthat said, it's chaos so get around should be available, hell, why wouldn't world eaters shove psykers with noctilith-nails into their dreadnoughts so they have a furious dreadnought, that's also a psyker torture device AND a ticking anti-psyker bomb?because GW doesn't make miniatures for everything, it's still too beholden to its previous stuff, and warhammer fans are consumers, not hobbyists
Where the fuck is Orktober
what the FUCK is an ork
>>92631047>>92631050>>92631056>>92631057huh wat u mean?
>>92631060BAP pls go
Do Sisters of Battle have their own glowies or are those all supplied by the Inquisition?
>people sucking off/supporting games workshop in the custodes faction focus video>for one 5 second animated bitThese people can't be real
>>92630525The KT Corsairs kit being intended as Ynnari would explain why they don't have their previously-iconic dissonance guns or the winged backpacks
>>92631044At least half of these have never existed and are turbo retarded ideas.
>>92631067How do we know you're real?
>>92631025You don't have to post, you know.
>>92631067Sadly, mindless consoomers with no will of their own seem to be the majority. If big company told them to hang themselves, they would do it with a smile on their faces.
>>92630770>>92630800Well you believe that if you want. I still love Lorgar. : )>>92630946We're literally discussing said fictional character anon, its perfectly normal to express how their idiotic actions made you feel.
>>92630975What do you mean colourblind? I'm not colourblind?
>>92631070Which one of them is retarded?
>>92631044>Apothecary Dreadnoughtfucking lol, the mental image of it is making me laugh. "Hold still brother, I'm coming to save you"STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMP STOMPthen it accidently rips your leg off with its massive clumsy power fist.
Did the Nobz' equipment flexibility survive yet again?
>>92631102If theres ever GSC in this tv series that they're thinking about, they could get Jada Smith to play a cultist, shes already got the hair for it and is enough of a slag to know how to play the part.
>>92631112could be worse, he could be extremely precise but also unhinged and removed from the normal understanding of pain thresholds and forgetful about the original plan and extent for the surgery
>>92631112Imagine what a colossal cum keg it could tote around, though.
>>92631092Those should be bloody obvious. If you can't figure any of them out yourself you lack the mental capacity or the honesty for me to explain them to you.
>>92631127somehow i doubt the bedside manner of even basic chaos nursenoughtsno wonder they have been written out
>>92631127How the fuck do you expect a dreadnought to stitch up a wound anon. Most regular humans already aren't dexterous enough to do it properly, how retarded can you be to think that a dreadnought could ever be able to do it.
>>92631148Just give the dreadnought a bandage roll, he'll wrap it so tight it'll stop any bleeding.
>>92630781Is 40k still a satire?It sure doesn't look to be treated like a satire anymore.
>>92631148Apothecaries don't really stitch up wounds much anyway, marine biology tends to take care of that on its own.
>>92631156it never was the "satire" was just shit they stole from judge dredd without the original intent or meaning retained
>>92631156I'm sure some tit will respond with a 30 year old RT reference to inquisitor obiwan sherlock spock to highlight how modern 40k is filled to the brim with satire
>>92628241Honestly, there shouldn't even be large scale land warfare between interstellar civilizations. Land warfare really should be limited to suppressing minor rebellions or commando raids. When you need to conquer the planet, you would just achieve orbital control and then bombard your enemy until they surrender or are dead>B-b-but what if you want to preserve infrastructureThen you bombard with chemical/biological weapons to kill the people but keep infrastructure intact. That would be the reality of interstellar warfare. After all, space is the ultimate high ground.
>>92631159When a muscle is cut in half the severed ends can't magically re-connect themselves together anon, no matter how much cope and sheer retared autism you're operating on.
>>92631148Just blast them with a web gun. Sorted.
>>92631170You sound like someone who thinks the airforce can win a war alone.
>>92628426Don't forget he also got the knowledge to make the primarchs from the chaos gods themselves. So really, the Emperor built his entire empire on stolen knowledge. He didn't actually build any of it himself.
>>92631080There's a difference in discussing how something previously made you feel and actually getting upset when thinking about a fictional character in the moment. The fact you don't understand this makes you legit retarded. >inb4 I wasnt actually mad>>92630545>Man I detest the Emperor, he's such a fucking moron, at least now he's stuck in the prison of his own creation, stuck on the Throne he was going to forcefully use Magnus as a battery for.Seem pretty pissed about your imaginary friend anon
>>92631156I don't think there's a straight answer to what the intent or the themes of 40k are. It's been around for so long and exists in so many mediums and has had so many hundreds of people involved in an official capacity, all of them with their own ideas and intentions for what they want 40k to be, that making the categorical claim that it is or isn't satire would be wrong either way. It's better to have that discussion about individual stories or pieces of artwork made for the setting.
>>92631184Not an argument.
>>92631156Satire is for men and Warhammer is for everyone
>>92630828Banger art, model and artists
what do people who have no slightest idea about the lore or their models banter about during a game if you dont count learning the rules
>>92631156>satireOh fuck here we go, shouldn't have cracked that can of worms. All the spergs about to fall from the sky to talk about their definition of a word despite definitions being objective
>>92630881>baldWhy
>>92631184NTA, but he's right. The only reason air forces can't win by themselves in real life is because our goals in real warfare generally don't involve the complete extermination of the enemy population. If that were the goal, an air force definitely could win on their own.In 40k though, where the goal generally is the complete extermination of your enemy, there is no reason to deploy large ground armies to engage them. That's probably the least efficient way to exterminate your enemy.
>>92631205Most people don't even learn the rules anon. Most people in here never play the game, let alone own models.
>>92631190>and actually getting upset when thinking about a fictional character in the moment.Now you're just making shit up anon. Did you really think I was sitting at my keyboard gritting my teeth with a vein on my head bulging? lol?
Tell me about this Bullyboyz detatchmentI did always want to try a 'no runts' greenskin list
>>92631227Back to plebbit
>>92631193you don't determine the overall theme of a franchise by looking at a single spinoff thing that one author once did or whatever. it would be like trying to declare that star wars is horror because they once did zombie stormtroopers. what you can do is look at how 40k is presented consistently by GW and how when it presents large projects it is presented (there was no biting satire in the 9th edition trailer or the Kill-Team trailers for example).
>>92631216Because all people in the 41st millennium is bald. No exceptions. You might think otherwise, but you'd be wrong. What you think is a full head of hair is actually a turtle bald scalp with a hair squig attached. All of it is hair squigs.
>>92631219What all people in this discussion are forgetting:It's not about being efficient, it's about sending a message
new thread:>>92631240>>92631240>>92631240
>>92631196>Not an argument.Oh ok, buckle up, get a cuppa and read here instead for why orbital bombardment isn't as efficient or as effective as you imagine it to be:https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack.phpYou may as well read Planetary Defence as well:https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack3.phpand planetary assault:https://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/planetaryattack2.php
>>92631243>Because all people in the 41st millennium is bald. No exceptions.
>>92631251How about you formulate your own argument and opinions instead of posting a bunch of links to have other people make your argument for you?
>>92631219It's really not. Ground+Air beats Air. Once you defeat one side you can do all the genocide you want so Ground+Air wins.
>>92631193>straight answer to what the intent...of 40k Selling models primarily, and also Priestley redoing his earlier sci-fi game concept with a one-off game that had to bunch of silly references to sci-fi media he liked before going back to Warhammer Fantasy. Then RTB01 exploded in popularity and the rest is history.
>>92631263Nah, its all there. If you cant be arsed reading it not my problem. I share their views so there's little point in me trying to distil it down to 2000 characters.
>>92631270>Says "it's really not">Doesn't provide any supporting statements or arguments>Expects that to be accepted as a proper counter argumentDo better.
>>92631279Just admit that you don't know how to actually articulate a point or come up with an original thought, so you rely on other people to tell you what to believe.
>>92631206>Definitions >ObjectiveMoron
>>92631289Bro neither did you. But I'll bite. Ukraine has shown that two peer air forces will just sit around doing nothing except slinging missiles from max range and achieving little other than attrition. Meanwhile even a smaller ground force can make a major impact on a larger opponent given mobile artillery+effective observers. If anything, artillery is the most efficient way to exterminate your enemy (behind combined arms/services, of course).
>>92629748In my country people treat legends as illegal.>>92629734But it doesn't say no where that you need friends to have fun. I also don't understand the part about if you had friends you wouldn't have probles with legends. I don't have friends, that is true, but others people do and they aren't allowed to use legends either. Also if you get told played what you like, but no one tells you that it doesn't work most of the time, you can imagine it is very confusing if someone is trying a table top game for the first time.
>>92631090Blue, red, yellow, that's bold at the very least
>>92630062will run out of ammo in 0.4 seconds
>>92631057a fun guy
>>92629726>>92629741Annihilation Barge is absolute dog ass. There's 0 reason to use it over Lokhusts. CCB has some niche uses imo. I'm putting together an Awakened Dynasty list with maximum Skorpekhs and a 4+++ barge following them around for objective play.
>>92628116It's very easy to get back what you paid for your minis. Just jump on a Facebook group and you can generally sell on sprue or boxed minis for the standard 15% off MSRP that online retailers charge. I have a friend who has started and quit 40k twice and he's always recouped what he's spent on his models.
>>92631190Who hurt you?
>>92628116>buy before you tryGood pig!
