Downtime Edition>Steam Pagehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/Deadlock/>Where to give feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I get in?Respond to the invite anchor with your Steam Profile. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be autistic.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for heroes in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, play bot matches.Additional Resources:>Stats Trackerhttps://deadlocktracker.gg/>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlocked.wiki/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHcThreadlocked:>>493101514
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have you ever tried rushing a few 6300 items instead of 1250/3000/4500 items? when? does it work out for you?
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>>493156929curse when I need to cuck someone on the other teamricochet when our lanes are getting pushed too hard and we need more creep pressure
>>493156929Echo Shard on bebop and Ricochet on infernus.Former works ok, latter works most of the time.
How is ricochet on bebop?
>>493157872https://steamcommunity.com/id/lazyvoltage/
being asked to play this for the first time who is an ez mode character and build
IM SO FUCKING DONEI WAS 14/5BUT MY CHIMP TEAMMATESFED A HAZE WRAITH DUOAND ALL THEY FUCKING DIDWAS RUN AROUND THE MAP LOOKING FOR METHEN WRAITH USING TELEKINESIS ON MEAND HAZE USING HER GIGA NIGGER GAZILLION DAMAGE TROGLODYTE ULTIMATEI EVEN BROUGHT METAL SKIN AND MAX BULLET RESBUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOI STILL GET CCD AND 100 TO ZERO IN UNDER 2 SECONDSTHEY DIDNT EVEN CONSIDER DOING THIS TO ANYONE ELSEBECAUSE MY TEAMMATES WERE ALL RETARDSONLY MEONLY FUCKING MEIM SO FUCKING DONEKILL ALL WRAITH AND HAZE PLAYERSCURB STOMP A WRAITH AND HAZE INTO CONCRETETOTAL WRAITH AND HAZE DEATH
>>493158878Post match id so we can tell you how bad you are and how you could have won
remember to bully Haze whenever you can
good evening, I hate Ivy
Learning something new everydayThere are boost pads that help sidelanes gank inner lanesSpirit leech is surprisingly viable
>>493159168what is that build lmao
champions for this feel?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU
Should I stop learning in bot games ? I'm pretty sure I'm fucking up my macro learning ...
>>493155624ehh some guns can shred turrets, plus monster rounds - walkers die in one push. the game could use a glyph of fortification or change damage scaling on towers for certain guns. mcginnis
>>493159258maximum bullying all into spirit dmg
>mfw my team has a 4 stack that keeps pausing the game just to single out and make fun of enemy players
>>493158878yeah wraith and haze require zero skill or thoughta lobotomized monkey could play thembut they're necessaryall of their players are either retards or complete noobs so they serve as a crutch for themneed to pump those player numbers upno wonder they're the most picked heroes
WEEEEE
>>493159503YesBot games, online or private teach bad habits I use sandbox to lab movement
>>493159503no, you need to master bots or else people will shout at you
>>493159619report them
okay had some time after work, i'm happy with it now
>>493159619I wish the stacks I queued into were that based, I only get the faggots who barely even pay attention to the game because they're arguing on discord.
>went down one of the side lanes with the tight alleyways>enemy yamato>shes wall happing up the buildings like mariowtf? lmao i died laughing
why did valve make paradox so sexy?
>>493159961payout for artifacts
>>493159961there's just something so hot about lava lamps
>>493159961idk but thank fuck for that
>>493159619Unironically report them.I'll take shit talking but pause abusing is a pain in the fucking ass, thanks fucking god they limited the number of pauses per player.
>heroes that require skillwhatever I'm playing>heroes that require no skillwhatever you're playing
Items on bottom row is so clunkyChanged melee to mouse 3, Q and G use itemsAnons, reveal your custom bindings
>playing Mcginnis, lane with a Yamato>we absolutely tear apart the enemy as a team, carry whole game together>check profile to add as friend>has pride flag in bio>so do I
>>493160168what's even the point of having someone be able to pause just piss and shit or something before you play the game bro ain't hard
>>493160645invite me to the wedding
>>493160554F meleeQ parryM4, M5, V, B for itemsotherwise default
>>493160714why does he not have eyes
>>493160554All defaults except melee which is bound to mouse 4 and active items 1 and 2 which are bound to mouse 5 and 6
>>493160554Q - Ability 1E - Ability 23 - Ability 34 - Ability 41 - Active 12 - Active 2Z - Active 3X - Active 4Melee - Mouse 5Parry - FSlide - CIve tired a few and this is the best for me
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>>493160808correction, C not B
>>493160823he doesn't need them, he sees through his ass
is shiv still broken or what. i saw his winrate go down, but when i play him he still seems unkillable unless it's like 1v4 or something
>>493160645didn't know faggots play yamato.
>>493160554q e f g are abilities1 2 3 4 are itemsmouse 4 and 5 are melee and parrycrouch cit just woks
>>493160554QEFT for abilities1234 for itemsside buttons for melee/parry
>>493161113you're still in shitter matches but keep winning and you'll get out
"PATRONS could be here", he thought
The setting is so cool I'm most excited to see how they flesh out the map, I hope they make both sides unique
>>493160823I thought he had his eyes obstructed by his brow, like the dad from that movie about raining foodbut dude actually has no eyes
geist 4 wins out of 5pocketpussy 3 out of 3warden 3 out of 3
post ludokino bindsi'll start>MWHEELDOWN dash
what are the chances we get Meet the Team style videos for the characters
>>493161814infernig 7 out of 7
>>493161814Fucking LOVE Warden vs HazeMetal Skin - Ult - Trap - Headshot her to death
>>493162096slowing hex + trap makes the pp hard
>ally Lash talks shit to the enemy the whole game and ends with 0 deaths
I'm a carry player, what's the hand of midas in this game?
>>493161792Those look cooler though
>>493159619i'd just throw at that point
>>493159582How does kinetic carbine damage work? It's boosted by weapon damage but since it converts it to spirit is it also boosted by spirit power?
Does the leaver penalty stack?Or is it always 5 minutes?Can you get permabanned for leaving?
>>493162846I have seen people getting banned for leaving too much in the discord
>>493162846Not perma but if you do it enough they remove your access to the betaAnd knowing valveThis is gonna be in beta 2+ yearsSo you really fucked
>>493162828Its base damage scales only from weapon power, but mystic burst and reduced spirit res increase it's damage too
>>493163203From the thumbnail I thought seven's back was a caricature of infernus.
i feel like i finally started getting decent games on a regular basis once i got over 100 games played. thoughts?
>>493162846they shouldn't permaban people for leaving. I had bugs yesterday that made 3 matches unplayable. What am I suppose to do?
>>493156094We doing character concepts till ?
>>493163047must've been hard to see through all the MLP/furfags spamming shit
>>4931578721791182
>>493163957Appeal if you have an actual reason?Join the forum and bitch there, if you're really getting disconnected because of unstable connection they should be able to verify it.
>it's another solo lane vs a haze that doesn't miss a single headshot or deny episode
>>493163047I just wanted to lurk for some ideas for my builts but it's mostly blogposting and off-topic shit, even on the on-topic channels focused on talking about the actual game.
>>493164591>>493164273whoops
>>493164332nta but i had one match disconnect me during the beginning where you wait for people yesterday then never happened again don't know if that would affect me
>>493164837if you tried to requeue immediately after and it said you were banned for 5 minutes, then it affected you.
>>493164203I want warlock crocodileGun: flintlock style1: shoot a blast of mojo energy2: curse an enemy, revealing them on map, if hit with 1/4, slow/stun3: surround area with darkness, stealth and resists inside4: take a bite out of enemy, steal health temporarily and heal
>>493164203More barefoot women.
How do you do anything as vindicta when you have a shit team?
>>493165876s/as vindicta//its doomed
>>493165876Deny, Deny, Deny.
>>493165876max out your foot skill early and by lategame finish kills and carry
>>493161531"With a magic carpet, you can go anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>493165013it didn't so guess I was fine
>>493160645zoomies that play heroshoots won't get the ref
how do you get good at this game? I wanna become a pro player
"goo hits harder than you think", he muttered to her battered blue corpse
>35 games played>14 wonit's over i'll never make it to the big deadlock leagues
what if ivy moved her suspensors and showed her nipples
>>493165985Yeah, but another lane feeds and then I just get constantly dived. Like enemy was 3 shotting me, I literally can't even escape if I wasn't already running away.
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How the fuck does the warden two taps me at 5 mins?
>>493168812you're black
>>493168812Are you black?
>>493168812watch your own replays, retard
>>493167812early kills don't mean that much, likely you and your team were just engaging in unwinnable fights instead of focusing on objectives and farmingthe #1 game losing strategy I see in this game#2 is a fed team focusing kills instead of objectives
>vindicta goes 0-2 in lane and ragequitswhy are footfags like this
>>493168989it's always the vindicta players
>>493169086not true i just played one and it was an infernus that did it
>>493168812He has bonus damage against black players (not characters)
>>493169086every game has *that* character
what sensitivity is optimal for playing this game as well as you can? max sensitivity? isn't that what most fps players play at?
>>493169317whatever feels comfortable for you
>>493168812buraku?
>>493169379they won't be comfortable until someone else tells them it's optimal
>>493158592puffy vulva
I think im getting better.I almost got a positive score this time.Im still missing almost every weapon shot but its fine because im Infernus so i dont have to hit my shots.
>>493168812You got hit with binding word and he headshot you two times with closequarters + the 500 soul headshot item
The more I play the more spergs I see screaming at people for "kill stealing" and doing e-sports call outs. What the fuck is wrong with these people, how can you take an unbalanced early alpha this seriously?
>>49316931732000 DPI 10 ingame
>>493169573>niggatarkek
>>493169379well, so do people play at max sensitivity in this game decently? or is it just too much?
>60 hours>still in shitter lobbiesit's fucking over
>>493169862have you seen vindicta's feet
>>493169884surely you have friends to queue up with, right?
>>493169317>max sensitivityjesus christ no, fps players run everything at 400/800 dpi and 0.3-0.6
>>493170062all my friends are playing spectre divide.
Where can you see who it is who's currently got the mic active? I got someone with their mic permanently on earlier so I just muted everyone.
>>493170658below their portrait
>>493170658It shows an icon under their portrait at the top of the screen, how did you not see it?
>haze that is a lane god has no clue what to do outside of it
>>493170765Ty, dunno how I missed that.
>>493170898im still waiting for some youtube nigger to prepare comprehensive guide about macro dynamics cus im getting tired of aimgod zoomers wasting all their lead and feeding rubberband to enemy team in the process
just got my inv and I wanted to look at heros to play while i DL the game. How is this balanced?is the initial scaling really low so you always have to land bombs to end up strong or is he just really obnoxious all game? Do any items make this ever stronger?
>>493171308>feeding rubberbandwhat does this mean
>>493171520you can hold alt while looking at skills to see how they scale with spirit
>>493171520forgot image
>>493171543the more net worth advantage you have over the enemy the more souls they will get for killing you
>>493171520try him and go full spiritit's pretty epic
>>493171898what's the solution then, just don't engage when you're up 12-0?
>>493170658Who remembers when you had to "opt" into voice chat? It was only a thing for like a week but it was odd.
>>493172238don't die if you got a huge streak
>>493163714I wanted to do the Cyclops x Ryu bro first. I was just gonna do color, but had too much fun rendering, even if I'm pretty mid.
>>493171520Bebops bombs are actually pretty tame. Gun building gets you more dps and it can't be countered by debuff cleanser
>>493171520It's funny if you do a full spirit build with echo shard but it's mostly a meme. If enemy team builds spirit resistance you won't be able to match up against them in late game
>>493172482>>493172516so if I land enough bombs while build gun dmg I can be a double dmg threat?
are people who want to keep pinhead yamato retarded?
>>493172516There's a reason why Bebop does 600 dps with his AoE hyperbeam that barely has a cooldown
>>493172681The buff is a percentage increase so it does scale with spirit. Don't expect your bombs to do more than 400 damage on a gunbuild
>>493172238clever splitpushing combined with farming neutrals in the meantime while keeping in mind that lane farm is better than neutral farm but it's more dangerous, i'm using oldschool dota reasoning in which you are supposed to keep your advantage, outspace your enemy and get into tfs for objectives when you are considerably stronger
I build colossus on every female character because I have a giantess fetishyou cannot stop me, I will step on you as vindicta with my giant feet
I may as well disconnect whenever I have a Dynamo on my team at this point. I don't think ours even used his ult in the game I just got out of
>>493172883gotcha
>Annoying laning face as dynamo vs a seven>still manage to hold it even in souls>Rest of the team gets steamrolled so hard the enemies have double our soul countJesus, just ask for help if you're getting run over that hard.
>>493172759That shit is too easy to dodge. It rarely kills anyone if they have a brain
>>493172890>>493172316Alright that makes sense to me as a braindead zoomer aimer
>yoshi now deletes all ban appeal threadskek
>tell team to take mid>they ignore me>turn on mic and say it over voice>they ignore me>everyone but me dies in a bad teamfight>we losewhy
>>493172990I will say that on a gunbuild, still by mystic burst or improved burst because the bomb always passes the threshold for both.
>>493173230BASED
>>493172890t. old dota 2 playeri wish more people understood this concept and then also knew how to shoot
>>493173242they wanted to lose
>>493173242You will find peace when you realize that you will never be able to chose your teammates and that you should just accept your fate.
>>493173421inhouse leagues in a few months soon
Lady Geist is better the better your team is. Her 4 is really good it's just awkward. It's brutal when you can just 4 a Mo & Krill who went for a CC dive and that means a dead tank in a couple seconds. Toss 1000 AoE damage into the enemy team and 3s with a good mystic shot headshot can push a ton of assist damage into a pick off from any range while her 2 is an incredible "just try to 1v1 me" tool. But so many lower MMR monkey fights steal away all that utility
When will this be viable for tournaments?
>check public builds>everyone slaps their names on their builds like total narcissistsIt wasn't this bad at the start
>>493173604if a mo tries to catch geist without having backup that can kill geist during the stun then he deserves to get fucked
>>493173636Wasn't there a small one just before it became public?
has anyone tried building spirit hazeI was fucking around in the shooting range and if you go for spirit her daggers go for like 800dmg and this may not be that impressive but you can throw the dagger from stealth and the sleep is just perfect setup for a kill
>Playing Bury the Light on 1 hour loop while playing Yamato>Get super fed and win most of my exchanges>1 is just judgemental cut>4 is just a devil trigger
>>493173704A good way to filter all the shit builds
>>493173421>>493173396we had a wraith who said he'd never played wraith before, which is fine, I don't even care that he was feedingbut for the love of god he wasn't FARMING he was like 10k souls behind everyone else
>>493173057It's better than any gun, lacking dropoff, 100% lifesteal, and applying a slow. When stuff goes down, just hyperbeam. It does the job.
>>493173704Look for "Skibidi Rizzler's Slide Build' that's me
>>493173604her 4 isn't that good you need to be in their ass and every good player now knows to fight her at a distance and it forces you to get kinetic dash and warpstone to have good movement
>>493172890>>493173336reading this is funny because I had a dotard in my game that didn't understand any of this. pic related
>>493174090>being "forced" to buy warpstone (one of the best items in the game)oh no
>>493173242this is a moba, everyone mutes the people not in their party as soon as they load in
I've never won a laning phase harder only to lose because these STUPID FAGGOTS would not PUSH. I spammed group the fuck up a million times stop fighting 3v5s just GROUP and PUSH we can fucking WIN but no of course not. I hope all of them get a rare illness
>>493174090Honestly warpstone is a must on geist anyways because she's so immobile. Her clack clack femdom heels make her run around so slowly
>>493174193idk man i'd rather get a damage item than a pure utility one that i can only use it as a last resort to get into their asses then have 0 escapefor example paradox and geist use warpstone very differently
>>493174534uh warpstone is a damage item howbeiteverthough
How to make bombbebop work? I know the obvious stuff like echoshard but what are some other stuff for it? Enchanters barrier?
Just did my first game as Geist and did decent enough. Essence Bomb spirit build. How good's a gun + lifesteal Geist build? Her ult's shit range and her slow speed made it a bit finnicky to pull off so I think offsetting the self damage via lifesteal seems like a better idea
Of all places, I didn't think 5chin would have this issue.It's a multiplayer pvp game, yall. You're literally not meant to win every game. Just shut up, finish losing, and go next.
Do walkers have a 'headshot' zone like guardians do or can you just shoot them in the leg from around the corner for the same damage as anywhere else?
>>493174838Need more Geist art. Also I have 250 hours but I suck ass at Geist and I don't know why
>>493174975Their big glowing eye is their headshot point
>>493174838i have 65% wr on her and i just follow the vegas geist build
>le x build>le y buildThis game has been available since fucking AprilYou do not know better than the gods of the game, stop experimenting and making le quirky builds you guys are all faggots everything good is high on the build list just use a build.You're not special.
just waiting for the holiday update at this point since matchmaking is like Russian roulette right nowi thought ov3r finally got banned so i was pretty happy about that, but that appears to be fake news
>>493175058isn't the top rated vindicta build notoriously shit
>>493174975I think their eyeball thing has a critical damage hitbox
>>493175123why would he be banned? just seemed like your typical shit head peruvian warden
>>493175058kys
>>493175123just play geist to train for holidays gun
>>493175058I've been playing since June. Imagine sucking off other randos so hard you think you can't have your own thoughts
>they/them character>Clearly looks and sounds malehuh?? does the frog also live inside him and this is a "legion" kind of they/them??
I wonder how many heroes will make it into the "final" version of the game
Who do I play next if I like Abrams ?I like his in your face with unlimited sustain style
>>493175356>>they/them character>>Clearly looks and sounds maleYou don't even know how basic things work why would you even make this post.
>>493175058No. I don't think I will.
>>493175443Shiv.
>>493175356he uses he/they pronouns confirmed by the visual novel
>>4931753900, this shit is getting scrapped
>>493175210he constantly abandoned games for a seemingly long period of time.
>>493175125you mean EVERY top rated build
I wish they added a 'player damage received' stat at the end of the match, as Yamato I would like to know how much damage did I soak compared to my team, I know healing is almost that but is not the same.Let me know if I was at least a good bait.
almost done my soldier design character but i cannot do a gun mesh to save my fucking life holy SHIT i am bad at this
best wraith guide out there?
Which heroes would you recommend to learn the game ?So far I mostly play McGinnis but I'm not sure that it's a good pick to learn the macro.
My gut instinct tells me even though the game will probably not even look remotely the same within a year outside of portions of the map, is that the game will be *generally* popular on "release", but too difficult for most which will keep it from hitting fever dream numbers.
>>493176043The game literally answers this question for you you stupid bitch
Is there a latency issue? I got stunned by a parry going up like 1 s after I landed my hit, and then when I parried it went right through? I also noticed that sometimes the soul orbs take way longer to appear and sometimes the enemy already hit them by then. And maybe hitreg, but I don't know the game well enough to comment on that.
Anons quick question, iron skin is good counter against who? Haze?>>493160823Lash is one of Soldier's many kids he had fucking Heavy's sister, Warden is his brother
>>493176120That list sucks>>493176043Abrams is very straightforward
>>493176150They are literally using the same dogshit 24 tick servers from Dota currently. Just get used to getting robbed and hit from BS. Some anons have posted webms of it, I just didn't save them.
>>493169609i purposely lost many games to get away from this shit, it's way more fun in the new player shitter tier
>>493176097my gut instinct says it tops 2 million concurrent players and remains the competitive darling for the next ten years. also, yoshi invites me to work for valve where I shall clean toilets for a competitive wage
>>493174356>pick shit hero that can't carry>can't carry>complain about it on four chan dot orgnext time pick haze or wraith, nignog
>>493174090I like echo shard on Lady GeistThere's literally nobody that can out 1v1 your lifedrain echo lifedrain even if you don't have 4 cooldown.And any fight that ends up taking place in a pit, Essence Bomb echo Essence Bomb is insane levels of damage.
>>493176856That sounds annoying being locked out of all your other abilities while you succ
>>493175443>I like his in your face with unlimited sustain styleWarden, max ult as soon as possible to get the ridiculously low CD, then build everything to make it even stronger
>>493176346fucking hell, even 64 is low, but 24 is just retarded.
>>493176764you mean to tell me I can't complain every time I lose a match as a 15-1-0 paradox?
>>493176346have they commented on whether or not they're going to fix this later?
>>493176992>locked out???
>>493177384Do you know how echo shard works?
>>493177351Das riteyou either play for fun or for wins
>>493173831I do this with Switchback and Pocket.
>>493177363Well CS2 still has 64 tickrate servers, so I'd bet we are getting at least that when it goes into beta, but we will see.
>>493165876sit on top of the midboss building all round and snipe people from 3 lanes away
>>493173831you have to be a nigger and a retard to feed a Yamato that hard.
>>493173831https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0QQaiDzNXg[>When you get farmed as Haze
>>493177628That's misleading, CS2 has their new server technology
>>493173242i play with chat and voice muted. if you want my attention you'll need to ping the map (you can even draw shapes on the minimap)
Right, forgot to post this.Absolutely ridiculous they made her an ugly brown because you can't have good looking females.
What's the hardest character? to me it's pocket.
>>493178123she's just tanned
>>493178123here we go
Vindicta can't carry I guess
>>493177934>So the servers are still technically 64 tick>BUT we've invented a new technology of sub-tick, so it's actually more like 128!>Meanwhile
so text chat is saved in the replay, but do you know if voice chat is? watching esea recordings is goated because you get the team voice chat so you can see how they com. I havent tested this yet
>>493178832
>>493178832No, not meanwhile, it actually works
I love this game and I think the laning phase is one of the best ever made but being honest the late game can be quite a clusterfuck and just doesn't quite reach the level of tactics and macro as Dota 2 has, it too often just feels like a back and forth until one team does a bit better in a teamfight.
thoughts?
>>493177970i was pinging mid...
>>493178778If you want to hard carry your games, master Shiv. That guy is a raid boss in late game.
>>493178778the problem is your entire team besides you forgot to farm
>>493179230>Viscous, Lash and Pocket can't carrywhat
>mcginnis players rape everything>even being a harder to play character still has a top 4 winrate>they have the nerve to beg for kit reworks or buffsare they stupid?
>>493179230>kelvin cant carrya 35k souls kelvin is unstoppable, the problem is getting there without your team feeding
>>493179460Lash I'll agree that I was a bit rashSwitch Lash with IvyViscous and Pocket absolutely can't carry
>>493179230link the tiermaker
>>493176764We had all the ingredients to win but even the farmed teammates are shitters that don't understand winning
>>493179286I love Shiv, I play him like a retard, and still win most matches.I just rush his lvl.3 ult, build gun and then steal every kill when we brawl.
>win 4 games in a row>get feeding trogs for the next 4 gamesclassic moba SBMMlove it
>>493179230mo can't carry shit
>>493179529I'll rework her kit remove her bullshit wall
>>493179620https://tiermaker.com/create/deadlock-tier-list-17174383>>493179530theoreticalnever been done before>>493179715mo snowballs really hard and dicks you down while being invincible at 10 minutes
>>493179569You've never seen a good Viscous player.
>>493179230Considering I just lost a game I was hugely up in as Viscous I'm gonna say accurate
>>493179904I've seen a lot of bad teams
>build quicksilver reload on wraith>put it on 3I'll never be caught lacking around the opps again
>>493179773it's a winter wonderland brother. remember, I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me!
>need the adhd focus of an FPS>need the awareness of a traditional mobaThey have a mismatch with this formula.In a moba I can be clearing a jungle camp without even looking at my hero it's just an auto right click, while scrolling the map taking into account when jungles spawn and other lane activity.But with a tps formula I'm focused on aiming 24/7 there is no "auto", i'm much more susceptible to ganks because i'm focusing on last hitting and headshotting my opponent in lane.
>>493180167that's why it's fun
>>493180167no game for old men
>>493180167There's a reason why every other 3rd person moba has failed
>>493180167>But with a tps formula I'm focused on aiming 24/7 there is no "auto", i'm much more susceptible to ganks because i'm focusing on last hitting and headshotting my opponent in lane.That's literally the pointThere's a reason deaths aren't as punishing as in other mobas, and fights are more volatile and scrambly
>>493173242>"you don't win by killing roshan you win by pushing highground!"-alch carry in voice>dies to chrono>buys back and tps in then dies trying to 1v5 >lose immediately
>shroud is the best vindicta player>he doesn't know how to play objectivesmakes me thunk
>>493173961It's not really better than your gun though. Gun build will do (I think) more damage overall late vs. a spirit hyper beam build, and you can move + track targets faster with it
>>493180596no im the best vindicta player actually
I can't wrap my head around when I should be jungling. There never seems like an opportune time except when maybe retreating from a fight. The google doc said laning will always give more souls than jungling so they're just there mostly for show or quick clearing when traversing.
>>493179773this is my humble opinion, feel free to disagree and call me a fag
is tracklock dead?
>>493180869When you are rotating between lanes you grab camps on the way.When you have shoved your lane up you grab camps near the lane.
>>493180167that's why it's so cool, it's more instinct-driven in terms of strategy which is soulful yet some may say it's dishonest
Post your hero concepts.>>493101718Hey, that's actually really cool.
>>493180869when you run between lanes or are traveling back/from base you grab camps. You shouldnt be hanging out in jungle for long periods
>>493180596any character born before 1692 can't do objectives, all they know is feed, charge their shoot, twerk, be a retard, eat bebop bombs, and dc
>>493180934yes
>>493180167Jungle creeps don't move so you can look at the map while you're holding M1.
>>493176992Oh if you're implying that you can't echo shard to refresh the cooldown on lifedrain until lifedrain is over, that's not how it works for Lady Geist. If you start lifedrain and immediately echo shard it'll make your lifedrain immediately available after you're done, and you can activate your other abilities (especially 3) during the lifedrain.For some reason that's not how echo shard works on Mo & Krill's burrow, which is super annoying for Mo, which is why I understand you might be thinking it wouldn't work.
>>493180879I'd swap Ivy and Dynamo
>>493180879Umm... ssuuuuuuuuuuure.....
>>493164203>>493165410Pretty cool.>>493165498We can go with that big foot idea from two threads ago.
>>493181010Man please go to /ic/ or something this larping blogposting shit is cringe and retarded. You are not a developer.
>>493180879i'd maybe change warden with kelvin, but seems accurate
>>493178123You have some clown artist making a portrait on the left and you have based 3d model master making boob jiggle physics hottie on the right. Many such cases in video games.
how do you play paradox?the nade sucks ass, wall is forgettable, carbine has a very slow buildup and high cd for only okay damage if you hit, ult is nice for cc i guessbuilds are kinda all over the place, is she a lategame character that scales well? bec earlygame she sucks ass compared to someone that actually has 3 skills with damage, lots of potential and hard to play but someone with a braindead hero can just murder you
>>493180869If you aren't jungling, taking sewer rune, and delivering urn I don't want you on my team
>>493181259Nothing wrong with wanting to witness this community's creativity.
>>493180869post the full image
>>493179230I've seen carry Kelvin, Lash, Bebop, and Abrams.But to note, it's an Abrams that actually builds gun unlike the idiots.
>>493181360She's Lash but single target and shit
>>493181408I always grab the sewer rune if I see it but I never go out of my way for it.I go for urn pretty frequently.
the runes are concentrated poo gas
I'm gonna play Jihad Bebop by double self-casting bombs and phantom striking into the enemy team
>>493181408>>493181585s-sewer rune?
>>493181360wall CAN be useful defensively in a teamfight but its primary utility is to swap people through itkinetic carbine is really fucking strongswap people who are on the outskirts of the enemy team into your team and they will explode, make sure you put the wall down first and ideally start charging KC so it will be charged when the swap is donenade is trash unless you're clearing waves/camps but you should still use it in fights for area control and extra damage
>>493181408>taking sewer runethe WHAT
>>493181556im just wondering if i build her wrong somehow or if shes just badguess ill main bebop and stick to haze / wraith / smth tanky
>>493180610The point is is that building spirit and utility for his 123 doesn't catch him lacking because his 4 will shit damage when bebop doesn't need all the 123 gizmos and just needs to shit out damage. There's no reason to sidegrade out his m1 for the moments he's doing 321s because the t3 and below gun stuff you'll buy anyway like warp stone will be doing plenty with the built in amplifiers it has.
>>493181742>>493181783I've seen it mentioned here but I am afraid to ask what they mean...
>>493181994>>493181783>>493181742the buffs that periodically spawn on the bridges between the outer lanesthey come out of the sewer
>>493181742>>493181783>these are the "people" plaguing my games
>>493177704You know that's not going to work.I want to play her, but it just doesn't feel good when I constantly have be on edge AND I need to get farm.
>>493180596>shroud uses aimbots>can only play aimbot character and loses anyway because he sucks ass at anything that is not artificially boostedwoooooow
>>493181757idk but carbine seems underwhelming for a hard to hit skillshother kit feels weird, you want to be close but youre super squishy and get a precise skillshot too, it doesnt really make sense to me besides nade/wall/ult/kc combowall is nice when pushing or disengaging ye
>>493179530if it matters that your team is feeding you by definition aren't carrying since that means they are just contributing normally
>>493181783>>493181994
>>49315787241419856
>>493180596shroud is dogshit at the game and got boosted by high mmr players stacking with him for the streamer clout
A fundamental problem with 3D mobas is that they ignore why ordinary mobas are successful.Ordinary mobas work because we are able to look outside inwards to a 2D space. We can see the whole map, we can past walls, we can see exactly where to move our character and where enemies are. You CANNOT do this in a 3D space. You CANNOT look past the walls in front of you. You are constantly bumbling and stumbling into walls or backwards into walls and you will continue to do so. Maybe fourth dimensional beings can enjoy this game, but NOT me. Thus I uninstall.
>>493179904I fed one, he couldn't carry and we won.
>>493182269>>493182057souka i mean, i never go out of my way to get them, only if i'm nearby
>>493181994>>493182269Ahh those, didn't notice they were sewers.Why is there a sewer on top of a bridge?
>>493182203>hard to hit skillshotit's hitscan anon
>>493182412high mmr in a game that gets patched daily is a memetheres not even a meta, everyone sucks
>>493181351But only the how white women?I could accept if it was more characters, but this is like 2 different characters, and only with her.
>>493182269Oh these, sure I take them, of course, who doesn't?
>>493182412in the video i watched his team seemed to just be a bunch of shooter chudsNONE of them knew how to play objectives, enemy team was massively ahead on objectives for most of the match and enemy carries were beating everyone but shroud on farm (shroud was only ahead because he was hitting millions of headshots) while they were saying "wtf why can shiv 1v2 us"
>>493182501Hydration would curbstomp every single one of your lobbies with Yamato
>he can only process in two dimensions>he can't handle three dimensionslol kirked
>>493181729they removed self cast bomba last I checked
>>493182479you have to charge it, you have a timeframe to hit it before it expires and the hitbox seems kinda small, like a normal gunshotidk what this is supposed to be, for range? for cqc to lock someone down? that shit doesnt make any sense to me
>>493182560uhh you ok there bud?
>>493182791just ignore it and it'll go away
>>493182560is this schizophrenia?
>>493182704huh?
>>493182414skill issue, you cant see the apple, let alone rotate it.
>>493182687maybe you should tell him that in hopes you get to suck him off
>>493182704you just need to alt-cast it
>>493182560>this is your brain on gacha
>>493182560people accidentally posting meltdowns in the wrong thread is always comedy gold
>>493182560>These are the people spamming Ivy pics
>>493182560still saner than 'tuberfags
>>493181994>>493181783>>493181742>>493181705>>493181585THE RUNES ARE ON A BRIDGE.IT'S A BRIDGE.NOT A SEWER.HOW CAN A SEWER RUN IN A BRIDGE
>>493183358a wizard did it
>wanna try new hero?>too bad, our mmr system was, is and will be a dogshit garbage >get paired vs shivspammer and other crapI almost forgot how utterly dogshit valve is at match making.
>>493183131it's not even accidentally, he does this in all generals
>>4931833581920s magic
>>493182687lol, what a fag.
Okay, hitboxes are most certainly fucked, I see the bullet trail going through the minion but not dealing damage, other times I know I've missed and still land a hit somehow. The retarded gun placement also means that shit will constantly block you line of sight while more than half of your model could be sticking out.
The most DEVIOUS way to get a kill is to wait until they're in shop and then get free shots in
>exactly 50% winrate over the past 2 weeks despite sucking.I guess the matchmaking is Balanced.
>>493183358it's on a sewer grate
>>493179230skill issue
>starting to get spectators in games
hey, bebop anon, post your build
>>493180167im sure valve'll add simpler game modes where you can turn your brain off and just enjoy yourself without all the tryhard autism shit
>pause abusing at the end of the game before patron dies
>>493183358don't worry about it
>>493184267Welcome to dota
>>493184267you can report them
>>493184267[X] Griefingenjoy the hardware ID ban :P
>>493184161We don't even need different game modes, just have a separate unranked queue with a strict solo matchmaking option. The game is already fun when played casually.
so is deadlock actually icefrog's game or is he just helping out?
>>493183674that doesn't make it a sewer BITCH
>>493184535icefrog isn't real
>>493184535It's literally dota 2, again.
im 72 hours in and idk who icefrog is
>>493179664Rush his lvl 3 dash, buy the colddown reduction item, then enjoy spaming that shit when out numbered.
>>493184365>>493184390thanks reddit
>>493184905he's been the head designer of dota since the previous head designer left dota to make league of legends in like 2008
>>493184905Icefraud is the Xir who is credited with creating the Defense of the Ancients custom map for Warcraft 3 (he didn't), and the creative mastermind behind Dota 2
>>493184958I do that when I go spirit, but gun is also fun.He's such a fun character anyway you play him.
>>493184995I only report niggers so don't act like one
>>493184995vermin detected
>>493182560uh oh melty
>>493185345>Use game systems that are built in to the game itself>Money stolen
Former Dotard here.Can I join this club?
>>493185060You wish it was that simple.
anyone else?
>>493185178>>493185345downvote me all you want you will never touch a woman
>>4931855592007's internet looking webm
>>493184535it's basically dota 3, actually dota 3, as in the next evolution of the franchise that takes into account and improves upon the former one.
>>493185559>>493185748just needs unregistered hypercam and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc
>>493185805should call it dota 3 and make every other community for their games seeth to high hell
>>493185586have sex
>>493185748thats becuase it takes 40 seconds for ivy to self cast ult and I had to capture it all in it's beauty
One thing I'm failing to understand in this game is how people are able to run you down so easily. I blow 3-4 stamina charges, a movement item and ability, and they're still right on my ass gunning me down. I can never see how because I'm always faced away trying to run. But it constantly happens even if they're not a mobile hero.
Paradox's 3 needs to charge up in half the timemaybe make it a level 3 bonus
best hero for braindead aimers?
>>493186563Watch the replays, otherwise this >>493178949
>>493180879To be fair, Shiv should have his own tier.
How do you lane as pocket? I feel like once I'm out of lane I'm fine but I always lose lane and just have to be a pussy last hitting and can never be aggressive and go for kills. I seem to lose trades with almost everyone because shotguns have bad distance and if I commit to going all in with the cloak I have no way out so I kill or die.
>>493186598I'll say it once and I'll say it again, make it either charge based and remove the wind up, or keep the windup and give you 3 consecutive shots with no timer.
>>493186657hazewraith
game is kinda fun but isn't the quality i expected from valve. Maybe im just a boomer with tinted glasses on idk
>>493187180anon, you know it's a playtest right? there's no polish
>>493187180there's a lot of stuff where the quality is there, so its safe to say its alpha
is it possible to play this game on 150 ping or should i not even bother until they start servers near me
>>493187180yeah its very much unfinished. i almost want to wait until its closer to release but i feel like ill be left in the dust
>>493187476most realtime games are unplayable above 100 pingfighting games WITH rollback netcode are playable up to 120-150 ping but that's about it
>>493186067post biceps princess
>>493187476its possible, play it and have fun, if the ping is too much just stop. it's that easy anon
This game desperately needs more SFM porn to survive the honeymoon phase
>>493188135Yeah, enjoy your truckloads of Ivy porn made by low skilled SFM animators who can't into blender. (an actual animation program)
7 hours in and i just can not for the life of me win a single game against bots. i think im just too retarded for mobas. i really just dont know what to do after the laning phase, whether i win or lose.
guys I lost a 42 min match with just me and all easy bots playing as the bat, what do?
>>493188135there is ZERO hot bitches in the game though
>>493188360based me too (only tried once so far)
>hit a double bounce splatter on a guy for like 900 damageThis is what Spirit builds should feel like
>>493188360>>493188495farm creeps for souls and get good items and just take an empty lane to their base and destroy their guardians and i never played a moba and i win medium difficulty bot matches and got 5 wins and 6 losses in public matches
>>493188360This game is literally all about wave management. the best thing you can do is kill troopers and "crash" them into the enemy towers. This denies the enemy souls and deals damage to their tower. Keep on an eye on the map, and where your enemy is. If there are no enemies near you, or you see them in other places, you can push the tower with the wave as well. But if you don't see people on the map, take a step back and try to get the neutral camps on their side of the map. These are the chevrons on the map. If you take their neutral camps, they lose out on farm.Also, at 10 minutes, and every 5 minutes after, a soul urn spawns on the map. Get that soul urn and deliver it. It gives your team 25% more souls. These are all ways you can create an advantage over your opponent after laning phase.
>>493188641paradox sexo
>>493185559>playing Ivy>3 teammates next to the urn>keep pinging it and telling them to get it>they never take it and go farm jungle insteadeverytime
Bros, I am being bullied for even playing Yamato now. I join the game and people are already annoyed. "BRO SHE IS BAD. FUCK!!! You could have picked anything else!" I like the character a lot but I hate that she is truly ass and effectively does nothing.
>>493188641Paradox, Haze and Geist are BUILT to be mating pressed thoughever
>>493189215i played her a lot when i was learning (bad idea), now that i can handle myself and came back to fix her winrate i'm still losing
>>493189215i don't know how but sometimes i see a yamato that just fucking kills, like i'll play some hard carry and at the end of a 35m game have 20 kills and then fucking yamato has like 42 somehow
anyone elses game randomly decides to stutter and it's not even fps/ms lag
>start playing haze>mmr skyrocketswhen does she stop working
>>493189215She's not bad, she's a split pushing duelist. Literally do not fight. Push waves. Never stop pushing waves. Soon you get strong enough that you can just walk over to towers and kill them without any troopers. Repeat until you win.
>>493189915never, she just gets slightly less effective as people learn to get items to cuck you specifically with
>>493189915>MMR???This game is in alpha, why the fuck does it have ranked.
>>493189915Global Rank 2, apparently
>>493190061it doesn't have ranked but it does have MMR because it has matchmakingyou understand the difference, yes?
Only correct listwhy the FUCK is deadlocktracker and tracklock not FUCKING fixed yet
>>493190326What am I if I play exactly one character from each category?
>>493190326>Valve's turned on even more aggressive rate limits and now there are no new games being tracked. We will be making some changes to the site soon to accommodate for this.valve locked them out, trackers are dead for the foreseeable future. probably for the best since everyone was getting bent out of shape about MMR before a ranked mode even exists
>>493190326>Infernus, mcsplitpush, Warden, and dynamo that lowWowza, it's the worst tier list I've ever seen!
there's something fishy here
what if Yamato was invulnerable during her ult
>>493190879>now there are no new games being trackedgood, i went 1-10 today
>>493190993she'd be even worse :)
>>493190879>Valve's turned on even more aggressive rate limits and now there are no new games being tracked. We will be making some changes to the site soon to accommodate for this.very basedkill all mmrniggers
i don't care about trackelo, i just manually calculate the winrate of the characters i play
https://liquipedia.net/deadlock/Aurora_Deadlock_Mastersi wasn't invited...
>people ITT are really assblasted over not seeing their miscalculated MMR rather than just having fun
my mmr is 6 gorillion
>>493191891hitler hero when?
>wraith ults mo&krill>he just digs and outruns itebin
>>493191792mikaels team is the only one without russians so we're all rooting for that.
>>493191792>the catgirl faggot didn't manage to groom his way into the tournament
>>493192057it was really jarring to me the first time it happened, i legit didn't think it was a real projectile effect that had to hit before it activated and that fucker was like 10 miles away before it actually hit him
>>493192050I was thinking about that. maybe a counterpart/counterbalance to seven, instead of being electric based he's more about gas. add in a rocket attack or some kind of blimp and name him nine.
>>493175058>game gets patched like twice a week>stop theorycrafting>stop having FUN!
>>493192309>nine>not 6 after the 6 trillion
>>493187180>yeah I don't know, the game that clearly wasn't supposed to be released let alone announced for a year seems unfinished. maybe i'm just old.
>>493175058top rated builds tend to be the biggest noob traps nowadays, you're better off drawing from them and starting your own build
>>493189872only happened today
>>493187180fellow boomer here to disagree, this is easily one of the best games released in 10 years, even without being polished
The more Lady Geist I play the more I realize she's really good.
i NEED more story for this gameWHO ARE THE PATRONS
What the fuck do you do against shotgun characters in lane? Their can deny the second the souls spawn since they only have to shoot in its general direction from max range.
>>493186054it's funnier to not call it dota 3 because that way everyone gets to have their own personalised "oh my fucking god this is just dota" moment
How the fuck do you play Ivy? I think she was the 4th character I tried and I didn't do shit.
>>493188851>5 wins and 6 lossesthat sux
Just faced off against an aimbotter lmao (confirmed in the replay, literally just teleporting from creep to orb to creep to orb, no mouse movement at all) It's going to be so shit with Valve's record with cheaters on CSGO and TF2.
>>493194075i never said i was great but massively better than 1 kill 10 death feeding mouth breathers
>>493193961Use your melee to last hit to guarantee soul and harass with your better range to discourage them
>>493194394honeypot alpha
>>493181360Heals on pretty much every active, rush healing force staff, charge boost purples, cd reduction. Super sprint. You yoink allies out of danger and dash in front to drop walls constantly. Consider blink dagger.
>>493191792>Lefaa they're really letting a cheater in, huh
Kelvin is such a shit hero>bad damage>strongest ability is just a gay slowdown beam>stupid bubble fucks you over regardless of what team you're on>always bottomscoresHe sucks to play, he sucks to fight, and he sucks to have on your team
>>493194768idk in every match i had my kelvins were doing really good
>>493194768So he's exactly like Mei in overwatch
>>493194919no, mei is chinese and bbw
>>493194768he's fucking broken
>5 games in row mouthbreathers that feed 0:12You cant carry games, it cannot be doneEnemy deathballs into your baseYour mouthbreathers struggle to break 10k networth 20minutes into the gameStomp lane? Lose.Lose lane? Lose.Draw? Lose I remeber now why i stopped playing dota
>>493195221>anon doesn't see he was recruited to the mouthbreathing team
>>493186903help
>>493194394>>493194658unless there is kernel-level anti cheat then cheating will always be extremely prevalent.>b-but valorant has cheaters too!significantly fewer cheaters than csgo or cs2 has, the only people who cheat require an entire second computer to do so and given the smaller pool of cheaters to detect those are much more easily manually banned
Just fucked around for an hour in the tutorial and sandbox. Good god my aim is shit after not playing shooters for years. I'm sorry for whoever queues up with me in my first match.
>>493194060yeah is ivy just shit? who is OP?
>>493195697>who is OP?haze if your enemy doesn't know how to build bullet armor
>>493159759nice
I'm still working my way through the roster but here's my character fun-ness tierlist so far
>>493188360you're not alone, anon. Don't worry.
>>493193961they generally lose HP trades vs most characters in the game unless they land a big skill. Just melee the creeps and shoot them.
yamatos fucking useless man
I have never played a moba before, I have no fucking idea what I'm doing. does my build look coherent? The goal was movement speed, damage, and maximizing uptime of "Assassinate"
>>4931961592 more weeks
>>493189818Yamato can destroy ADC in 1v1 throughout the mid game and still be a threat to them in the late. She also chase like a mother fucker and easily get the finisher on retreating opponents. I don't think she's top tier but she has potential to be good, especially once people know what to do in the mid game more when she is the strongest, such as roaming and disrupting enemy's jungle farming attemprlt. Since she is difficult to play, only a few people commit to playing her so it's hard to make good judgement on her.
>>493194768>Actually one of the better damages, problem with gun is bad fire rate and lack of ammo in one clip. Still useful>Beam rapes anything after few items unless target is specifically buying spirit resist, all you have to do is be able to move with it without being hit by return fire>Bubble comes down in instant and wins almost any teamfight, negates every other big ulti in game anyways. Also useful in trapping fuckers with you, should be quaranteed kill with beam after using it>Always useful and relevant teammember, often scoring many topsJust how swarthy you are, excactly? Just asking.
>>493196282Need more sustain early game for landing and farming.
>>493196282just choose like the second most popular build from the 'browse build' button (the first is always shit, usually just the first custom build that was ever made) and follow that.Focus mostly on killing creeps and getting souls, don't get baited into fighting every possible fight. If you see 3 of your mates in a lane and some other red enemy icons hovering around them, just go and fight with them. That's basically it. Look at the mini map A LOT.
>>493196432Don't care, didn't ask. Specializing in slowdown makes Kelvin the faggot class for faggots
>>493191792snow niggers are so depressed from Putin fucking everything up, they are already creating tournaments to forget the misery.
>>493196432Kelvin is literally just designed to be frustrating to fight against. If I could remove one hero from the alpha and replace with one of the half-finished concepts it would be him
>>493195325You get recruited so you can be their clown entertainer.The dad gamers cant be stopped from enjoying their game on steam decks.God forbid you tell them to buy knockdown, thats grounds for a report
>can't organise builds according to stat/colour classGAY
Grenademaxx Kelvin is the real cancer
>>493195221>help help i'm drowning in the shadow pool!deserved
>>493191808I NEED A NUMBER TO GO UP SO I KNOW I AM HAVING FUN
>>493196927Its unironic shadowpool, legit matched with people who have 3 games when i have 150
>>493197204kek how many n bombs have you dropped
How does one lane against wraith?only character I always lose to in lane
>>493196580>Nooooooo I must be able to zoom-zoom accross the map like caffenaited yard mouse or I'll looooooooooseSlow down, and think about things for a while. You'll get better in game, and in life as well
>>493197278she has no actual kill potential before getting levels or farm so you pressure her hard and deny her farm as best you can
>>493196282if you're getting bullied in lane early buy healing rite, it'll keep you alive and in-lane and the movement speed will help you get between lanes later. otherwise looks good
I avoid active skills because I prefer playing one dimensional. But the ones past the 6300 souls point seem pretty OP, like curse for example
idk how you do it fellas, trying to play this game solo right now is miserable as dog shit.
>>493197439I don't feel like I can trade or poke with her either though her clip is big and her card hurts
I hate playing against third worlders so much. It actually puts me in a bad mood>playing geist, something I rarely do>against a bebop>tough lane but we're going tit for tat, no one dies for like 8 minutes>i decide to go for a stupid risky play into his guardian and die>"sit dog">other lanes getting stomped so soon a kelvin and wraith show up to gank me and when I die in lane again the bebop makes edgy comment>it's pretty much unwinnable 20k soul difference by 10 minutes>bebop kills the infernus who came to my lane when I got ganked>"weres ur pet?" obsessing over meDo they not have the concept of sportsmanship in slavland? Does he not understand I'm just an enemy on the opposite team and didn't fuck his sister irl?
>dash jump shoulder charges>parry fakeouts>short hops behind people to charge them back towards the teamevery day my abrams fu grows, i love this big blue bastard
>>493195894>hates Kelvinwhat a way to invalidate your own opinion, buddy
>>493197264A couple
>>493186903>How do you lane as pocket?Pocket is one of the few heroes that needs you to be a good player to make it work. He's basically dota 2 puck.
>>493197685The cheaper ones also have some really good ones. Throwing out early Divine Barriers is huge, Fleetfoot lets you gank with ease. Not buying actives is severely handicapping yourself.
>>493197761Same here mateBut it aint that much better in stacks >Guy im playing with has total dunning kruger that hes good at dota>"We just have to death ball and thats it easy win">gets picked off solo somewhere 1v4>Ragequits >Another game>2 of dudes im playing with say they have bad aim>They pick talon and vindicta>LoseAlso, vindicta is fucking AWFULL that Hero does nothing unless shes 2x souls networth
>>493198280Yeah hes literally puck with 3 of pucks abilities
>>493198280having to aim and master movement makes the deadlock skill floor higher than every dota champ (except mo)
need feedback on this paradox buildam i missing anything? should i drop any of this?
>>493196282You absolutely need stamina on vindicta.
>>493198752Dont play carbine oriented build thats a biggest fucking noob trap ever, even with high investment your carbine is gonna deall 800dmg, and thats with ampsAt that point ofnthe game enemy just heals it back up and laughs at you
>>493198492>>493197761I don't think it's time to invest that much time in the game right now. Wait for relevant updates to come.had only 10 matches and I'm already feeling it's not worth more time right now.
>>493197761Being solo lane is like watching paint dry.
>>493196282alchemical fire synergizes well with stakewarp stone is really good for quick repositioning in the air or escapingdivine barrier is also nice
we need more movement mechanics, walljump is cool but we need a bit more
>>493199237so drop sharpshooter, prioritize pristine emblem and glass cannon?or what
>>493199483How bout you master what you have already bro
>>493199483wallrun would be cool but idk how to tie it into the current stamina systemalso feels like it should probably not be available to every character, like mcginnis should definitely not have it
>>493199603Abuse wall bug[Spoiler]superior duration makes the wall and silence hit twice[/spoiler]Build tankyOnly grab mystic shot as early additional burst and berserkerGrab return fire and metal skinEarly healing novaAnd never stop brooooolingLater grab crippling headshot, and that one who reduces phys resistance after spirit damage.Alchemic fire is goodShes very versatile but trust me playing sniper is not it you are going yo get outcarried by everything in the game
>>493199785yea, should be a unique character mechanic>>493199653already did
>>493199902>yea, should be a unique character mechanicnot what i mean, it should be available to a bunch of characters (paradox, lash, talon) but not all of them (vindicta, mcginnis, viscous)would be a cool way to add some character variance to mobility
>>493200021>give paradox and lash more advantagesdunno about that sis
>>493199892thanks anon i'll try some of thisthe build i've been using (which i based my own build off of) is carbine-centric and i tend to do well picking off people who are retreating while low after a fight but you're right that i've got no shot in hell of carrying even when fedi had no idea about the wall bug, but what else does duration do? does it increase the time you can hold KC charge? i've been thinking AOE is valuable because it makes grenade better at clearing waves
Paradox just needs a fucking real stun on her ult and she will be perfect
>>493200196She already has a semi stun into a stun that silences and swaps position what the fuck else do you paradox niggers need, she's such an amazing hero
>>493200192There is in fact build where you go radius maxx and have huge grenades ans very long swaps, im personally not a big fan, its too easy to get out of the grenade for enemy team usually.I have been playing it recently as super tanky in your face char and doi g good, sometimes even 1v3 fights due to how obscene walls are.Metal skin + return fire is cracked because you swap yourself in, and enemy team tries to focus fire you and they get fucked up, hazes/wraiths sometime deleting themselves.Return fire also lifesteals with bullets.With all that being said paradox is still a chad tbat you have to play youe fucking mind out to get good results, while enemy haze can press one button and delete your entire team who cant react to that in time.https://streamable.com/nnw25h
>>493199892>Abuse wall bugdo you have to imbue the wall?
trying to come up with a weapon for a character design but i can't pin point if this is the 20's that has technology accelerated to around the 50's with all the occult shit, or it's more closer toward the current 40's - 50's gap.it also might just be my mild schizophrenia but i wish i just had a few frame points of reference
>>493200565>super tankyand that works? i kind of assumed paradox was doomed to be squishymight try it out
>>493200284AN INTERRUPTTHATS ALL I NEEDSwap is NOT a stun>Shes amazing heroEven mikaels the paradox autist days shes an active item bot after 30minute, and he only plays in stacks where paradox excels.Your average shitstain in matchmaking cant even purchase knockdown or press his abilities when you swap enemy vindicta in your teams asshole
>First 30 hours get put with retards who never played an assfaggot before.>Stomping consistently >last few days have had the sweatiest lobbies imaginable >Kelvin Haze lanes and Ivy Seven lanes that make me want to shoot myselfI wish there was a middle ground. It says I'm getting matched against top 1%ers on that site but I genuinely don't think I deserve to be there.
>>493200653There is a radio clip that announces the opening of South Pacific, which released in 1949 IRL.So I think it's set in 1949 but with an aesthetic that's a bit closer to the 1920's.
>>493200767active item bot is so effective in this game, don't even pretend it's a bad thing
>>493200778>Enemy mcginnis says "please no sweaty im new">He is laning with bebop who hooks and it instamtly gets followed with a wallYou dirty ass faggot
>>493188641vindicta is literally barefoot
no one should genuinely care about mmr in a alpha (dark falco, king raven from dota 2 as examples) but matchmaking is absolutely fucked right now and you should not feel bad if you get a entire mud puddle stomped in your ass.
>>493200993I love playing Abrams against those line-ups because you can genuinely kill them both when you get melee life steal. No one knows how to parry properly yet so they just panic.
>>493200890holy shitTHANK YOU
>>493201130It seems to be worse when I play with mates for some reason. Solo I'm usually paired against someone closer to my skill level. Some of the matches I've had though were fucking insane. These faggots are pre firing denies.
is patch tomorrow or is it biweekly now?
is this game unoptimized? because fucking hell im lagging like fuck
>>493201385next week
>>493201336I should warn you that my source is a post I saw on Reddit which in turn claimed that the radio clip in question isn't actually used in the current build of the game and is just buried in the files somewhere.So, grain of salt.
can someone explain to me how damage fall off works in this game? It feels like a diceroll if my Vindicta or Gray Talon can do damage in a team fight
>>493201412its a valve game so yes
Is there anyone who's genuinely too good right now or is there always a counter? It feels like there is always an item to stop bullshit.
>>493201412Im generally having good performance but sometimes the game drops like half of frames, but it happens like once per game and fucks off
>>493200653What the fuck am I looking at? Some sort of mini BAR? Concept is kind of neat I guess.
>>493198685Yeah, but some heroes in deadlock plays by themselves and require a very low skill level to be effective, such as Haze and Seven.
>>493200021trust me, paradox does not need more utility lol
>>493201412game runs mostly at 100 fps for me and only tanks when everyone uses their ult>3060ti >intel i3 12th gen
>>493201530there is a maximum range at which you do normal damage and then damage scales down as you get further and furtherlong range and sharpshooter both increase this maximum range and vindicta needs themidk about talon
>>493201412I had some issues a week ago but I updated my drivers and restarted my computer and things are fine now.
>>493201412All valve games run like dogshit
>>493201130>Dark Falco>King Ravenholy shit, pulled those names out of the fucking grave.
>>493201546Bebop haze and seven are tier above the restPick rates confirm it.
>>493201581Ah, and don't forget the bow indian. Your enemy just has to be "smart" enough to put traps in some places you would use to hide and he will stomp you on lane every single time by just spamming skills.
The map needs to be 400% bigger at least. You constantly get ganked, people can get from point a to b in literally 5 seconds with all the mobility it's retarded
>>493201785no
i've been playing yamato lately, i don't know, it feels like this is the only character on which i get behind on farmany psychological barriers i should break or something? lmao
>Played Paradox for the first time>First half of the game is miserable and could barely get farm>Game went long enough to get to 50k>suddenly two shotting even the most fed characters with carbineI want to get good with her but fuck me her laning feels like ass unless I'm really missing something.
>>493201530Do you happen to know what distance that starts applying? I feel like I'm getting dove every time I'm in the back of my team but if I'm a bit further away I'm tickling the enemy
>>493201785there will be more maps and this map will get reworked>>493201843also this
Why the fuck does grey talon hurt way more than im doing him when hes floating, are they rushing long range item or some shit?Or do they have less falloffAnd im talking bullets here not his green skillshot>>493201727Retard take
new maps and gamemodes when? I want payload & 5cp
>>493201864Her laning is ass because her gun is trash without items.
This grey talon was very unhappy with this exchange but I think Geist is starting to click with me
>>493201846The popular builds don't give her enough survivability to do anything unless you snowball. She's pretty good at split pushing because of her mobility but she's definitely hard to play.
>>493201864you are missing something. do you want me to tell you or do you want to find out yourself?
>>493201961>Why the fuck does grey talon hurt way moreHes a bullshit unbalanced hero. Its an undeniable fact that one grey talon player has to just spam skills to win the lane, no exception.
>>493201785they should give us a custom server browser and sdk so we can host the majora mask clock town map it'd be fucking kino
>>493201864Push like maniac with grenade and immediately kill healer creep>>493201785Maybe play gta v, you wont get ganked there
yea, this game would be kino with wall jump/wall climb. just make it wall jumps cost 1 stamina. guess they're afraid good players will just run away from newbies
really really hoping drafting gets added next patch i hate this dice roll of a team comp shit we got going on
>>493202117we have wall jumps anon
>>493202058Nah feel free to spoonfeed me, I'd rather here than some faggot youtuber.
>>493202112>get fucked by people camping with opressorsuh no
>>493202117walljump was added last update and costs no stamina, they added ropes for climbing up now
>>493202173>>493202117meant wall run :)
>>493201670>>493201896
>>493184905You know the little candle guy with the flag that heals you? That's Icefrog. Says so in the lore.
>>493202084I want to know why that is.Im guessing it also has to do with how shotguns work in this game So they dont have to aim as strictly Im playing paradox often and had pleasure of laning against vindicta and grey talon and I got harrassed like motherfucker.Later on i could dab on them with ult etc but before that it was not fun at all
Kelvin is one of the most obnoxious faggots to lane against by fucking far. One wrong move and you're moving at 0.0001 inches per hour while their haze buddy is fucking your ass.
>>493201896>>493202319go to hero sandbox and test it out
>>493202305request it in the feedback forum, i already did
>>493202129Give me bans so i can ban this nigger bebop and haze every game>>493202392Yeah the slow on his beam is fucking oppressive,
>>493157872Fren code: 168694387Gib cute gargoyle access senpai
is it a bad take to sometimes think we lose at the starting screen? like there's some team line ups that just... feel so fucking bad to play as & against
What's so bad about bebop?
>>493196282how do you make a build
>>493202461viewcount? I'm being honest when I say I love the movement but it is definitely missing some spice. I think wallrun could be a 500 vitality item if they're afraid of the mechanic being too powerful. that way players have to give up an important bullet/spirit resist slot for the privilege
>>493202574kys
>>493202454oh right that's thereAnd there's even a little range indicator, cool
>>4932026528
>>493202332>I want to know why that is.vindicta ult has very low coldown, she can poke you with that shit once she gets it. Grey talon on the other hand, can poke you to hell and back with his fan shaped AoE bullshit flying skill, has a powershot that hurts like hell and a really good attack speed. Also, it should be obvious, but don't try to trade with them early if you have a shotgun hero, they will just fly away and poke you for half your hp.
>>493202606he's fucking GAY and RETARDEDt. Lash
>>493202652im a sucker for wallrunning in any game, Titanfall 2, Gunz the Duel, mirror's edge, dying light etc. i would cum if they added wallrunning but maybe its alot of work for their animation team or something idk
hold the fuck up, does Lash have the fucking Johnny Cage voice actor?
>>493202606Hook is a better paradox swapWhen built for bomb he deals 1000 aoe damage burst in large aoe, and when he decides to press his ult its another 1500damage in 2 secondsWhen built for gun, for whatever reason, he deals like trillion of dps, and is insanely hard to take down.And now they made him even more braindead that you cant hook allies by accident (something paradox ult cant do either, even if you wanted to)Maybe i should stop larping as a paradox main and just start farming mmr as bebop
>>493200767>Even mikaels the paradox autist days shes an active item bot after 30minutmeanwhile yamato is a bot for the first 5 mins and then after 25 minutes, dies to like 5 different items and doesn't have anywhere near the insane utility and laning of paradoxit's gonna take a ti or some shit for you paratards to realize how insane she is
>play abrams and be a good tank sponging as much damage as possible while shooting back and stunning/using active items when needed>teammates play abrams and blindly jump into every encounter and dieIt's suffering when I somehow can't play him, on a side note I really like viscous now
>>493202613in the shop click "browse builds" and then you have the option to create one
>>493202509even if we can only ban one hero that would suffice>>493202932yes lol
>>493202996Paradox isnt BAD she just isnt great in pubsI also think she could be played as a insane splitpusher in pubs, but i didnt try that yet.Shes REAL good for 1v1 situations and to put enemy out of position, but you wont carry 5 of your retards kicking and screaming through finish lane
>>493203053Nah, at least bebop has to learn a combo, while some shit like Haze has only to be close your team mates and press "4"
>>493202985Bebop is way more fun but he's really not that potent outside of lane. Maybe he can carry low MMR games but that aside he's B tier at best.
>>493202998Viscous is nuts
>>493202985Debuff remover completely negates his bomb damage by the way.
Geist ult is 100% the funniest ult in the game.
Ok guys, what's the worst hero in the game? ill learn it, master it and become one with it.
I'm scared to play a non bot match wut do
>>493203723Statistically it's paradox.
>>493203787don't dive in when the enemy player is at low health you'll get screwed and die just farm creeps and deny souls until he's in your ball court
>>493203661Oh crazyThats good techThanks anon
>>493202215play extremely aggressive with grenade and play close to the wall on lane. you win poke for the first 15 minutes with every hero besides talon. the only 500s you need are mystic burst, sprint boots and extra stamina. basically just play like an aggressive asshole and you zone out everyone
Paradox IS good when you can make enemy walk through wallz especially when you bug exploit.But if enemy team has more than 3 braincells to not walk into a wall, or make campfires in your grenades, paradox basically becomes a walking (shitty) gun , that can sometimes put you really badly out of position right into enemy team
>>493203796>>493203723Vindicta has a lower winrate for a reason (everyone is smelling her feet)
>>493204474You cant even proc mystic burst with those items anonYou arent stationary on lane for 15min right...But i do agree going aggro as fuck on paradox is good
>>493204515Just ult them into wall you absolute fucking retard
Feel a bit bad about this one
>>493204664tier 1 carbine does 93 damage with her base attack damage
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Before the game even started i told my team antiheals would be a must. And when it ended, I was the only one who had ANY antiheal items. No healbane on pure spirit seven, no toxic bullets on haze, fucking nothing. I tell them over and over during the game but no one says anything the whole game except one swear word in russian I am in hell
>>493204024>just farm creepsthe things that walk through the lanes?
>>493205615>Healbane?>Bruh that's not in "STICKY_NIGGS_420 TOP .5% MMR GAY TALON" build
>>493203723PL
>>49315787276561198026932461can i have inv pls
>>493205915I wish they would say something because that at least means they hear me. This game was so painful, the dynamo left randomly and I thought there was a chance but even then it was rough and then the vindicta left because ? and it was pretty much over. Almost every game I play I have 4 teammates with double digit deaths. This can't be random. It's like the match maker picks two competent players and saddles them with 4 incompetent ones
>>493205029nevermind I'm retarded it's 70 with base stats and there's no headshot proc. someone lied to me
Tsss it's getting tiresome carrying these games...
>>493206453losing a 6v5 when you are that big is insane, shoulda carried harder my guy
>>493207014vindicta playing "hold the grenade" with whatever friend invite chain she's associated with that name, think yoshi even said they're still discussing if bans will carry over to the full game
>>493207014>plays the single strongest carrywhy am I carrying!?
>>493207321That's not seven, and not wraith, and not viscous, and not shiv and not lady geist
I know we just throw darts at a board but I really do expect a hard Vindicta rework down the road a bit. She's going to get the faceless void treatment.
>>4932074865 shots and you missed them all
>>493207486Seven is the only one that can be mentioned in that conversation
the 3rd person camera is a detriment to this game. it would be better in first person
>>493206765Just wait till you hear that mystic shot doesnt contribute to mystic burst countThat skill is fucking awfull no matter how you slice itIf you invest 30k souls into it, it becomes an okay single target nuke on 15s cd or soIts complete utter dogshit and im glad im not trying to larp as an epic sniper no more
>>493207486>My mmr grinder hero who excels at clueless fags is not broken I swear Shut the fuck up
>>493207150>losing a 6v5The vindicta left like right afterwards and dude, like at the score board. >>493205615I don't even play much Geist. 2/25 might as well have been AFK. 3/17, 6/19. Even 12/23 is bad. This was ROUGH from start to finish. Pretty sure the vindicta was AFK at the start so the greytalon abandoned orange immediately so we lost the walker in less than 3 minutes
You guys think they could pull off a flame thrower character? Conceptually I think it would be too difficult.
>>493157872friend code 52462820 if anyone has a code, thank you
>>493207486>viscous>carrywhat in the goddamn
>>493208049Flame thrower could just be like yamato alt fire, but hitting really fast for small damage, and shorter projectile lifeIts not impossible to do
>>493207957him trying to jump back into the vent, not once but TWICE
>>493208049as a main gun it's impossible, but iirc there's already a unreleased character with a flamethrower ability in the game let me check
>>493207737the problem is that she is incredibly fun. maybe they'll buff her at some point idk
just played with a paradox that swapped a haze out of a black hole on mid boss and then proceeded to do jack shit and deal 18k hero damage on a 40 minute gamethese have to be the retards complaining about paradox on these threads
Are you supposed to "main" a character in a game like this, or is it expected you're competent with everyone in the roster?
>win teamfight>kill mid boss>grab rejuv>team immediately splits up and starts jungling again>rejuv runs out without a single objective killed
>>493208985Top players really think highly paradox and Vindicta while people in this thread think they are the worst characters. It's kinda interesting
>>493208985there is no draft mode yet so you can main a character
I am so fucking sick of this piece of shit nigger character shiv how the fuck is he still allowed to be this auto win
>>493208985if you want to streamlined the getting good process you should 'main' a character so you expend mental energy on the macro (decision making) and micro (last hitting, movement, etc.) instead of figuring out how to best use a character.you never have to play every character--however you should watch tutorials on them to know their basic gameplan, goals, ideal items, etc. that comes way later though. the nature of your question leads me to believe you've never seriously competed in a game before
>>493209214Paradox is just harder than the other characters with not much to show for it.
I PRESSED A BUTTON!
>>493208985You should play every character a few times to understand their strengths and weaknesses. Personally I've got 8 heroes in my pool just to keep things fresh. Don't be an MMR gooning monkey because it'll ruin the game for you. Play to have fun.
>>493209214they are not good for solotop players have party to play with
>>493209645Why does she get evasion during her ult? Seems a hit unnecessary. That being said there are so many items to counter her. Metal Skin and Knock-down just negate her ult.
>>493208771Oh i do agree i play almost exclusviely plapadoxhttps://streamable.com/tqjn5p
>>493208049>>493208727found himselecthero hero_tokamakvery scuffed, gonna be in the pipeline for a while
I think Yamato is shit.
>>493207150you've never won a 5v6 let alone been that farmed before have you
>>493210102>HUDDA HUDDA HUD
>>493209645>Nigga ran forward while holding m1>Then ran backwards while holding m1>Then got caught by lash >Then he pressed ult and collected 2 killsTry doing the same thing with paradox.
>>493208727>>493210102i appreciate you anon.
This game feels kinda jankyI get glass cannon as ivy and I feel like I do less objective DPS than if I bought Tesla bullets. I wouldn't think it would have higher DPS idk.
>>493209645>haze>fish marketsmells about right
Nothing better than seeing a SHITSTAIN who plays a m1 hero, who evaporates himself when you press return fire, then you press BM pause and question mark his ass, because he is so fucking bad that he cant even release m1 button to stop killing himself
>>493210638Is return fire actually useful? I've never touched it
>>493210638idk playing axe and getting a 12min blade mail / blink boots and 5 man taunt cleave is pretty god damn satisfying
>>493210774It starts being good around mid gameEarly game it does fucking nothing for some reason, despite dealing literally full damage back 1:1 in sandboxSo i dont know how the damage is calculated.I tested it today in sandbox with a friend, and he was hitting me for 8, and getting 8 damage backBut then in game i rushed return.fire and dynamo fucking deletes me through return fire only taking 100 damage Maybe its shields being fucky idkFor best results metal skin + return fire
>>493210638All of them niggas buy bullet lifesteal and vampiric burst doe....
>>493211245I always grab healing reduction, healbane at minimum
So does anyone know if bullet velocity let's you do more damage at longer Ranges or is it just the speed of the bullet?
I just lost 2 games in a row with kelvin. I have no idea on how to use kelvin.
Ok I have no shame in what I did, the game is going to force me into 50% winrate anyway right.So I afkd 20 games in a row to get a super shitty mmr, made sure to lose some by the end by feedingAnd now that my mmr is truly niggerish, I'm making sure I lose 50% of the time (like the game wants me to anyway) except I'm the only tryhard of the game with a brain, it's super fun to get 30kills a match consistently with any character lol
>>493211604Make uneven fightsGet 2 of your teammates and run at people.If enemy team shows up with greater numbers, slam ult and divide the fight to get guaranteed kills
>>493211723You arent learning anything like this and only padding your ego, you will be stomped into a ground by player who plays consistently against player on own (higher than yours) levelStomps are not fun for that reason
>>493211910*sticks finger up your ass**sticks ass finger up your nose*
Quick reminder on laning, focus your bullets solely on these, in order:>Denies>last hits only>harassmentNaturally, specially at low mmr where people shoot creeps for no reason, the lane is going to get pushed on your side making it super easy to do those things (denying etc)after 5 minutes, especially in solo lanes, you should have double the souls of your lane opponent.In early mmr (early 20-30ish games you'll play) newbies are going to lose patience get out of position, that's where you should switch to being super aggressive, securing the kill (like in this webm)
holy shit i hate laning with mouth breathers. is there any way to get solo lane?
>>493212529Yeah
>>493212529sorry bro the games giving me all the solo lanes and i fucking love lash btw and would've one a match it we didn't have a 0/10 feeding pocket
>>493212820(me)won* man i'm tired but i wanna keep playing
tried out Dynamo only to eat complete shit laning against a Pocket, any tips for this matchup or should i have just swapped?
>nigger on seven gets one (one) good ult that wins the teamfight>"ez">loses the gameimagine losing as seven lmfao I can't
>have Yamato, Vindicta, haze as my 3 heroes>Always queue as Yamato because that's a low pick character
>>493212529duo is usually reserved for parties, i get forced into it maybe in 1-2 out of 10 gamesalso ask for laneswap, many people don't care or prefer duo
>>493212385had some guy get 100 souls against my 2.2k cause all he did was harasshe somehow came back so I dunno how farming works
>>493210264Why would I bother learning paradox when there are like a dozen easier characters that do better with fewer efforts?
>>493213231All ult seven players are scrubs. Seven in high level play is built around his 3 and flash farming like a traditional timing semi-carry.
>>493199902skater healer sound kid (forget his name) was 1000% the only reason to play overwatch back in the day. Only way to have fun in that shitty game.
>>493213627>all seven players are scrubsyeah buddy
>>493213491This happens a lot, people tunneling on either shooting creeps (but not securing orbs) or harassing players.The whole laning phase hinges around securing orbs. With carries, getting last hits/friendly orbs/enemy orbs can jumpstart you big time. The first 10 minutes can net you a lot of Souls.
>>493194768Every time we have a Kelvin on our team they are the 7th member of the other team.
>>493202038I think that build is the best except one detail. I think without Fleet Foot the shoes are a waste, she takes SUCH a huge movement hit when she's firing. So either take Fleet Foot(requires another slot, but perks) or just get Superior Stamina instead of enduring sprint and spam dashes.
What's the closest thing to a control mage in this game?
HOLY FUCKunless you spam haze and wraith you can't do shit soloQ'ingyou can win your lane, gank all the other lanes and they still will go 15 deaths at 20 minutes. it's actually insane. your only option to win is to statcheck after afk farming
>>493195894>he doenst like flying in like froze-one and saving his teammates or ganking an unsuspecting noobbro...........................
>>493207957>6v 1 and a half>Not a single nig on the others side will buy any actives to just turn you off and make you easy food.
>>493214701what the fuck is a control mage
In 150 games i havent seen a single abrams with return fireAnd i think that says a lot about state of the builds in this game currently
Dear streamer FAGGOTS we would like to see the fucking minimap too get your shitty anime avatars off the screen during gameplay. God I hate streamer culture so fucking much. I just want to see how other people lane in this game and I have to listen to some nasally nerd trying to sound cool shit talking people in a video game and begging for money.
>>493215157most streamers do that on purpose so you can't streamsnipe and know everyones position
>>493209645>Abrams presses 4 almost immediately when Haze ults and loses his entire hp bar before he even gets off the ground anywayBALANCE
>>493210113Yamato kit is genuinely nonsensical, she's insanely squishy and has no cc, while her ult stuns herself for like a second something so people can just...run away.And then she basically has no 3.And then she's also the buggiest hero in the game.
>>493211723>the game is going to force me into 50% winrate anyway right.no it's not because the MMR system is currently broken
vindicta is sleeper OP the winrate is so low because noobs don't know good positioning and aim
>>493215504shroud plays her like a god and he still gets carried by his team because he doesn't know how to do objectivesvindicta players are guaranteed to suck even when they're 38-3
I have never won a 1v1 against Abrams.He is unkillable.
>seven activates ult>I'm Abrams>I activate my ult>I literally land directly on top of sevens fucking body>Seven isn't stunned???????????
>>493215779erm, excuse me, he's playing the reddit 60% win rate champion! so he gets to win! sorry loser!
>>493215779Your ult killbox is smaller than sevens (entire fucking base of yours)Get better
>>493212820same bro im a lash main, just want to solo lane loljust played a game where i popped off but we lose cause inting morons rip
>>493215779Unstoppable?
>>493216187if you play lash you're playing to style on niggers and show off, not win gamesit's a perfectly fine way to play mind you but y'know
>seven activates ult>immediately wins 60% of games
thank god there are broken, zero skill heroes like seven, or i might have had to take this game seriously>aoe creep clear and poke from any distance>literal hitscan push-button stun >brainless press 4 to win ulti>wouldn't want our brainless retards to get confused and scared by having to manage 4 abilities, so just press 3 when you want ur gun to do more damage
>>493215504Not really sleeper. She's generally regarded as a good character. Many players rate her over haze as an ADC due to better consistency.Really sleeper is yamato
>seven got nerfed across the board last patch>his win rate went from 56% to 58% nani the fuck
>>493216456you didn't even mention the free knockdown that can chain stun an entire team
Okay, everyone is gooning over Vindicta 's feet but how do you look up her skirt???? I want to see her thighs [spoilers]
>>493216473He didnt get nerfed across the board loleHe got a slap on a wrist at bestThe biggest nerf to him was the knockdown buff
>warden clicks stun>enemy walks away and dispels it>if it works it stuns one person>seven presses stun>unless you buy specific items or use a handful of abilities you're getting stunned>and also anyone around youlol?
>>493216813you can look up geists skirt
anyone else had a lag spike out of nowhere? I was fucking teleporting for like 5 minutes.
>>4932164564 is his worst spell thoughever
>>493216927warden doesn't stun it just roots but it lasts like 3 seconds which is enough time for him to cave your skull in with several headshots
>>493216927roots and stuns are different anon
>>493215758step 1: debuff reducerstep 2: hold F after he shoulder charges you, free parry.step 3: dump kit on his face while clearing your backstep 4: hold S-shift, spacebar. aka backwards dashjump, while throwing more on his facestep 5: finish him off.
How do I play Abrams without getting owned by parries? Even if I don't charge it they all just throw out parry whenever I get close. I want to build around the shotgun but it seems a bit trash compared to the rifles in this game. I guess he's just a noob stomper?
>>493217936>charge up a melee>swerve it to the side to bait their parry>beat their head in afterwards
>>493217104I was pinging at 500ms the first 7 minutes of last match and I was scared to join another one because I thought it was part of my house's internet voodoo.
>>493216473Aggregate win rates mean literally nothing either are true:1 Win rate source is unreliable2 80% of the playerbase has been playing for 1 weekBoth are true so the rates are doubly fucked from the ground up 8 ways from sunday there and backforth.
>>493217731F counters shoulder parry? or are you counting on him to melee directly afterwards?
>>493216473The sites use data from lowest ranks so they're basically irrelevant, it's gonna be insanely lop sided towards the newfag mmr where seven dominates and vindicta/paradox are useless.
>>493216854what did they change about knockdown
LASHMUSTDIE
>>493218863It's faster but the stun is way smaller, basically a band aid attempt at nerfing grey/vindicta.
>>493218852eh i think seven is god tier regardless of mmr and paradox and vindicta are bad regardless as well.that said haze is better than seven imo. but seven is the second best probably.
>>493218925Suck it you junk monkey.
>>493219002>seven is god tier regardless of mmr and paradox and vindicta are bad That sentence alone tells me you have absolutely no idea how top mmr games go or play.Pretty much every top game is just vindicta/dynamo/haze/shiv/kelvin destroying everything and everyone.
>>493218742they always heavy melee afterwards until you teach them not to
>>493219095ah ok i am mistaken then. what about paradox?
ctrl or c for crouch?
>>493219330Paradox is nowhere near as braindead as the others so she's pretty much a specialist character.
I really don't care for seven. His kit is boring and he's not really that fun except for his ult. His 2 seems weird and doesn't synergize at all, and his 1/3 both end up just being used to farm fast. He has to get ahead with farm or he is useless at any decent mmr. At lower mmr he just has to exist and ult.
>>493219632you stun them and then drop a deathball on them right before they get stunned while magdumping them with your 3
>>493219330Paradox is character for the people who want to blow out the enemy team without facerolling and following a guide.
>>493219632His ult is the most boring part of his kit. It's just a channeling AoE massacre that exists in every MOBA ever.
they need to release 20 more heroes OR gut sevenone of the twootherwise he will never stop being in every single game
are they ever going to add hot girls
>>493219330paradox is average, if you are good with her you can do a lot but if youre bad and your strategy doesnt work you will be deadweighta lot of paradoxes dont adapt to the game, I think she's probably the most flexible building hero in the game
>>493220004>OR gut sevenNigga he's not even that strong, the influx of players (and said players obsession with an inaccurate le heckin stat site) has inflated his worth. He was like 60% pickrate among the spectate games against Haze and Dynamo's near 100%. He's a noob slayer and the scrambled mmr system has you new niggers not realizing he's actually pretty mid compared to some of the bigger issues.
>>493160714When the game was a cyberpunk game he used to have a visor
which dota hero should icefag add next? for me its tony
>>493220179people say this and dont realize how bad he changes the game how it's played. stfuuu
>>493218742They ALWAYS melee you afterwards because it's free. Debuff reducer makes it not free.
>>493220301quarryunsettled
>>493217263So it's even worse, ok
>>493220301invoker obviouslywe need better spirit heroes
>>493219726Which requires you to get close and have nobody else around and for that person to not have an escape.
>>493220349people say this not realizing every person who has started the game has done a 180 on their tune about the zap fag after a week of playing against him. His popularity surged as the playerbase surged and it's something all too predictable to people who have more than 16 hours logged. He filters every single new player until their monkey neurons decide to learn how to not die to his dumb shit and then he's a room-temperature threat.
>>493220179That's why the alternative is adding 20 more heroes. I'm so sick of seeing Seven in every single game but unless they gut him the only way to stop it is to add more heroes so there are more options.
>>493220115they already added paradox
I made a niggerish min maxer build from the most used items in deadlocktracker.would you be interested if I did that for all characters? I found that to be much more reliable than randoms and their guides.
>>493220664yeah im kinda in agreement here but at the same time, seven players are the biggest retards imaginable. he's still a decent threat. he's just not on the level of some of the others, especially haze. seven is still quite good.
>>493221056I would absolutely not ever use this
>>493220301Ogre Magi complete with skill-based multicast
>>493221139Your loss
>>493220664ok and? he's still good even with getting his ult canceled.
Is Haze really a W+M1 hard carry? Is she good in lane?I'm looking for a brainless carry.
>>493221243shes broken as fuck but desu i wouldn't play her because she's 100 percent getting nerfed
>>493220664tell me more about how seven ulting above base is so easy to deal with
>>493220301Veno but his ult is Dreamcoil
>>493221056yeah do them all
>>493221393have you heard of knockdown?
>>493220664By the time you can cancel his ult (by wasting your souls on an item which sole function is to stop Seven) he would have snowballed even harder especially when his base kit is already good. Not to mention late game he can refresh his ult, but your Knockdown has 2s delay and 45s cooldown.
>finally get Seven so I can try the go fast build>I'm so fucking fast it lags my gameThis is the best build in Deadlock and it's not even close
You can just shoot Seven. He dies. It's the pussy noobs who can't just blow his head off that make his ult work.
>>493221056The problem with stuff like this is that it's entirely devoid of context, and most picked is not exactly correlated with most effective (i mean why is extra spirit on there)
>>493221605oops all unstoppables
>>493221780>just shoot the guy who gets 55% free bullet resist and can build even moreYeah great idea genius, how did nobody ever think of that
>>493220301>tfw no quarry to settleAnyways they should add dragon knight, give me a tanky fucker who breathes fire and has a transformation ult
>>493221846just use hyper beam lol
>partner with somebody in lane.>It's Infernus.>He ONLY unloads his gun into creeps to ignite them for kills.>Never shoots for denies, secures, or last hits.MMR separation needs to happen much much faster.
>>493221846you forgot his lifesteal that ensures you do zero damage
>>493221182It is absolutely not a loss. I don't care what the most picked items ordered by pick rate are. I want items that synergize well together, and an ideal build guide would explain why it recommends each item.
>Use Curse on Seven>Get ulted by Haze>Use Curse to stop Haze>Get ulted by Seven>Ask team to buy Curse or even Knockdown>LOL IMAGINE TRYHARDING IN ALPHA TEST
>>493210102A character that faces the opposite direction all the time might just be lame enough to be cool.
>>493221243just play wraith if you want to hold down m1
>shiv spends the entire game farming lanes and jungle camps, literally never joining team fights, literally never doing objectives>most farmed player on our team>2,000 objective damage in a 25-minute gameCARE TO PERHAPS JOIN THE GAME WE'RE ACTUALLY PLAYING YOU FUCKING ANIMALTHIS ISN'T FUCKING FARMVILLE
Seven is the classic case of "you can deal with him in a vacuum so technically he's not that good". A classic trope in MOBAs, but ultimately the characters are still extremely overpowered because proper communication, teamwork, building, etc. has to go into stopping him. Rarely will that happen, even at higher MMRs. Meanwhile all Seven players have to do is press R and they take complete control of a fight, have to be immediately dealt with, or they just win.
>>493221934People talk about banning picks to prevent the opponent team from choosing op heroes, I want to ban heroes to avoid sharing lanes with them.Every fire nigga I played with always sucks at securing souls
>>493210102So an aoe blast to incinerate the whole enemy team?
>>493222057if there's unclaimed farm sitting on the map someone has to take it.he was probably the best player on your team but you retards kept brawling
>>493221954>use knockdown on seven to cuck his ulti>press iron skin when the useless spinning cunt ultieslol lmao
>>493222142I can avoid them just fine. It's my teammates that die to them.
>>493222057>THIS ISN'T FUCKING FARMVILLEit actually is and you probably rushed into the enemy base to get wiped in a tiny ass corridor without proper lead
I'm not going to join teamfights that we're guaranteed to lose because you're underfarmed.
>>493222420bro they only have 40k soul lead join the teamfight bro trust
>>493221207He's "good" in the sense that he kills people who are on their second game ever very easily, yeah. You don't understand how many times this argument has been had in the last ~year. This nigger is mid and you are new and have predecessors who have become me. >>493221393The one single use for him. Solved by a single item purchased by a single teammate (if he is on offense) or by a single 15 second delay (if he is on defense). I have yet to see this win a game on its own after some 500 hours, outside of bottom mmr where clicking 4 on an enemy team deathball is free farm.
>>493222134It's one thing to be farming creeps so they don't go to waste. It's another to spend the ENTIRE game farming, never join a team fight, never be around to defend base, and never even take objectives even though you're alone for the entire game.I was constantly clearing waves and only fighting to defend objectives or if we had an advantage, it was the other players who were neglecting farm to brawl. I do think some of my friends don't understand the fact that the game does not become a hero shooter at the 10-minute mark, though. I'm not very good at the game, but I am almost always the top soul value player with decent PvP / objective contribution. I'm just tired of being the top soul value player and feeling like I have to carry / herd cats. I can't remember the last time I got a hard carry in a match.
>>493222262Farm means nothing unless you eventually do something with it. If you are the most fed player on the team, you should be the one pushing objectives because you can risk a 2v1 or even win them. And you either need to join team fights or actively discourage your team from fighting without you (even as simple as telling them not to take fights without you unless they have to).
Active itemization counter is a bad mechanic. Healbane is fine because it's a passive item, but having to silence/hex specific people during specific time from specific position is bad design. It's anti-fun, and the reason why League of Legends has been so much more popular than DOTA 2.
>>493222830I'm glad you aren't designing this game.
>>493222830I just don't like how every late game match turns into one giant, leaning tower of active items >>493221954
>>493222830skill issue
>>493222830I disagree. League's itemization is cookie cutter as fuck, and doesn't give near enough customization for specific interactions and skill expression. Item builds are just one problem in league, runes are another. New kits are another. They've removed so much skill out of the game it is legitimately disgusting. DOTA on the other hand, your skill expression is everywhere. Itemization, reactions and knowing when and how to use them, last hitting is harder, turn rates, denying, so many more ways to be better than your opponent.
Seven will obviously get nerfed again. They can balance around pro level play in the future when there are people playing at the pro level. Right now they have to balance around the game that actually exists today.
>>493210102the bionicle design will be missed
>>493223617They're not balancing for anyone, infernus and weapon items in general have remained god tier for ages, yamato has been dogshit for like 2 months, shiv is gonna broken giga S tier for a straight month, etc.
>>493222983>>493223415There's no denying that DOTA 2 is much more skill intensive than League, but that is also the cause of DOTA 2's downfall. 15 years later League is still culturally relevant and spawned countless spin-offs, enjoyed by casual and tryhards alike. Meanwhile DOTA 2 is only for sweaty tryhards who has to learn every item and skill interaction for 100 hours before they can play against people. The keyword is accessibility : DOTA 2 is unforgiving and not accessible to the average player. And before you come at me, I have 5,4k hours in it so I know what I'm talking about.
>>493223881Dotas downfall was because valve doesn't market jack shit, they straight up killed the game in the west with retarded changes, chink pandering and the refusal to block peruvians from playing on NA servers.
>>493223881being accessible just means you get a million shitters playing in the potato bracket which will not impact the players with a brain at all
>buy silenecer>it doesn't stop seven ultuh, icefraud are you ok?
>>493223617the simplest nerf that mostly only affects low mmr would be making his stun a skillshot
>>493224071silence doesn't interrupt channels, mongoloid
>>493223881Nah you're absolutely right in that sense. But I'm glad they never went the league route. Dota 2 is a much, much better game than league nowadays. I much prefer to play that to league even after ~5k hours in league and like 200 or so in dota 2.
>>493224201have you even played dota you fucking retard
>>493224071>says in big bold text DOES NOT STOP CHANNELED ABILITIES
officially at 100 hrs, still think endgame fights are clusterfucks visually in a way dota never was
>>493224071You need an interrupt. Silence is for locking people down before you nuke them, not for cucking channels.
>>493224003DOTA 2 anime was a big marketing ploy and look where it got them. League also went really hard on chink pandering (Seraphine even sang in Mandarin in a k-pop song) and it was fine.Point is, when newbies who wanted to try your game are required to learn every item and skill interaction for 100+ hours, they just get filtered.>>493224019I would argue that learning skill interactions, aiming, last-hitting/denying, map rotations, jungle management are skill-based enough. There's absolutely no need to overcomplicate things with active itemization and learning how they interact with skills etc. As they keep adding more and more items, the game will be overwhelming for new players.
>>493224275unfortunately the nature of not being top down. i am getting more and more used to it, however.
>>493223881Nudota still rakes in 400k+ active players. It's almost dead in NA, but this is not entirely due to the game's lack of accessibility,
>>493223881League is objectively a more skill intensive game, that's what makes it so snowball-y. Basically every hero in that game has a skill shot or some sort of aimed spell. Inherent to dota's DNA is the ability to do random comebacks from catching someone stepping slightly out their safety zone with targeted stuns lasting three seconds.League is only easier in terms of people already having moba mechanics down and immediately understanding what each hero does (cause most of them are the same) while dota is just a knowledge check.
>>493224419>DOTA 2 anime was a big marketing ployWay too late, it wasn't any marketing ploy, it was just a masturbatory thing by the arabs.
>>493224245ARE WE PLAYING DOTA, RETARD?
>>493224419I don't see why you're worried. This game is much simpler than DOTA. It doesn't have the same issue in the sense that you just insta die without knowing wtf happened and you're CC locked forever. All it takes is understanding that Curse/Knockdown can stop seven ult and you'll always know that interaction. It's way easier to be filtered in dota.
>>493224419>Point is, when newbies who wanted to try your game are required to learn every item and skill interaction for 100+ hours, they just get filtered.For me it was long game time + knowing that I'm a burden to my team. I have no problem throwing my head against the wall in Tekken because I don't have to deal with teammates.
thinking of asking yoshi to port bazz from concord to deadlock as a guest character what do you guys think
>>493224478League is way less skill intensive than DOTA and it's not even fucking close. Idk why people think skill shots and lots of button presses make a game more skill intensive. Turn rates, CSing and itemization in DOTA make the game way more skill intensive than anything there is in league.
>>493224701literally all of those things are just knowledge checks lol
>>493224478Skill shots are a meme. Positioning and spacing are more skill intensive than aiming because you have to actually make decisions in the moment and not just react with your muscle memory.
>>493224419It's been proven time and time again that people are not so averse to steep learning curves. People say Dota is dying in the West because it's newbie-unfriendly, but this is literal redditor cope from apes who refuse to acknowledge the game's actual issues: the community (99% people who would be making the world a better place if they neckroped), the terrible matchmaking, and the unfun and head-aching direction the game has been going in since 2017.
>>493224878>the unfun and head-aching direction the game has been going in since 2017.I've heard about this before, but no details. Can you elaborate?
>>493222502nigga he still does fuck tons of damage with his ult without even investing fully into it, you can just go orb and lightning bullets build while still forcing people to have an answer to your ultit's the most broken shit in the game and he doesnt even have to rely on it he can just hold it, if you ever use knock down or just simply die then he can use his ult freelyit's really way more broken than you think in the hands of a good player, just because counters exist doesnt mean playing around it is easy if they have a brain, you can also just cast bkb lol so suck my balls
>>493224792I have no idea how turn rate would constitute as a knowledge check but I assume you're trolling at this point anyway.
>>493224968tl;dr: version 7.00 dropped, was an absolute disaster. Game has since had its uniqueness and variety gradually stripped out in order to make the game more "streamlined" like League, either to appease idiots or to make the game more fun to watch for esports.There's a reason Deadlock is full of current and former dotards: it feels more like Dota than actual Dota.
BAKE NOW
>>493225316>it feels more like Dota than actual Dota.That's funny. As an outsider who could never climb over the learning curve of Dota, I thought Dota players would be more upset about all the stuff that's been streamlined for Deadlock. We don't even have wards.
This league vs dota argument just reminds me that the consensus in this shitter general is that the ability to aim in Deadlock does not matter
>>493224878All of those related to the game itself, no? The community is toxic because the game requires tryharding for 50 minutes and when your effort fails the team would fall apart faster than house of cards. In my experience more casual MOBAs (Honor of Kings for example) are far less toxic because people just lose within 15 minutes and move on to the next game without complaining in chat. But in DOTA 2 you're required to pour your heart and soul into every game and still lose, hence the naturally-generated toxicity.>>493224606There are 30 active items each with its own use and unique interactions with skills, not to mention the vague tooltip means people would have to test items themselves. For example Majestic Leap distance was never stated in-game. What qualifies as bullets in Metal Skin? Is Return Fire pure damage, weapon damage, or spirit damage? Those things are overwhelming for newbies. When they have to learn about stuff before jumping in games (or risk a bad losing streak after being flamed by the whole team all day) it makes them not want to continue.
>>493225513Tracking matters but twitch reflexes don't.
>>493225443It's streamlined, but justifiably so. What makes (made?) Dota more nuanced wouldn't work in a shootan game, especially complex heroes like Invoker.>>493225519>But in DOTA 2 you're required to pour your heart and soul into every game and still lose, hence the naturally-generated toxicity.Wrong. Turbo games end fast, yet somehow that queue is even more toxic than ranked.Dota players are just cunts, frankly. There's no way around it. I've spent a pathetic amount of time playing this game and I can say it just attracts losers.
>>493225519The thing is you can literally ignore actives for the most part and still have fun and play the game. You'll be in pisslow but you CAN still do it. In DOTA if you don't build properly you're just gonna get raped and have 0 fun. And then if you even know extremely basic stuff that can carry you in deadlock. You don't NEED the in depth understanding of the itemization like you absolutely do in dota.
>>493225560disagree, getting the headshot on a wraith or haze makes them explode and they immediately freak out trying to disengage. de-emphasized, sure.
I'm glad lowskill zoomers are seething about icefrog's design choices. I'm glad they made a dota 2 shooter. Get filtered league trash.
>>493225873Headshots will likely always matter but they matter way less than some other shooters.
>>493225792>especially complex heroes like Invoker.Why do you say Invoker wouldn't work?
>>493224968They added random lootbox items that pop out of the jungle creeps' asses so you have to farm jungle and pray for the OP item or the item that synergizes with your hero. It was the most retarded thing they ever did and it is still in the game as a core mechanic all these years later.
Movement matters most, then aim, then map awareness, then map knowledge, then item and character knowledge, then moba map mindset, then communication, then laning performance.This is official.
>>493225792dotas playerbase is way better than leagues at least the faggots who flame still try to winthey don't passive aggressive try to throw the game because you told them they're an idiot for a poor gank/eengage(before you argue im sure they do, it's just way less prevalent from my personal experience)
>>493226107Why is it still in when the general consensus shits all over it? I don't understand the logic, honestly. Does it help force noobs to farm the jungle or something?
>>493226107What the fuck
>>493226109this is why yoshi needs to add wall running, deadlock needs a touch of higher autism for the movement. it wouldn't turn the game into gunZ, it'd just give most characters a better option vs vertical leapers (lash) and better options vs gun carries
>>493226002It's a fundamentally different kind of game. You technically could make some kind of Invoker analogue in Deadlock but it would be a nightmare to actually play him with TPS controls.>>493226129Yeah, sure, but is being better than lolbabs really an achievement?
>>493226350>Yeah, sure, but is being better than lolbabs really an achievement?Well when those are basically the only 2 real choices of MOBAs yeah kinda I guess
>>493226223They probably think randomness helps shitty players feel good some percentage of the time, and unpredictable rewards like that are notoriously addictive. I understand why a video game would do that to lure in gambling addicts, but it was such a bad idea to add to one of the most competitive video games of all time, and I think it's one of the big reasons why the competitive scene in Dota is in such a terrible state that no one even realizes TI is happening this year.
i have just discovered veil walker and this is completely absurd with the double shields from 1250 tier
>>493226223Just STFU and keep sucking Icefrog's dick. Don't question anything.
>>493226350>but it would be a nightmare to actually play him with TPS controls.I guess I just don't know Invoker well enough, but I don't see why that would be the case. Nine the Phantom in BBCF is an Invoker-style character in a fighting game and she's notoriously easy to play.
>>493224968The anon above talking about a reduction of variety has no idea what he's talking about, but I'm not going to bother writing paragraphs explaining why.>a guy who thinks current Dota is extremely good and played Dota 1>>493226107There's a selection from 5 items of each tier now out of around 11 and the original iteration of neutral totems has been heavily nerfed.
>>493226576>neutral items
does bullet velocity affect any skills, or just your default fire?
>>493226563invoker in deadlock would have to rely on an entirely different mechanic to operate. dota invoker relies on making up combos with QWER, it would be incredibly awkward with the WASD 1234 deadlock setup.
>>493226676It was changing some skills by accident, maybe they didn't fix all of them?
>>493226690I guess he might need some custom keybinds as I could see the default binds being an issue.
>>493226457Dota had 400k twitch viewers yesterday on the first day of the group stage.
>>493226676grey talon jump but thats more of a modifier to your normal attacks
>>493226129>those who flame try to winthat hasnt been the case for a while, plenty of people straight up queue just to loseit was such a problem they had to make "role tokens" not give 4 if they lost, and only 2 on a loss because people would just tank the one loss to lose faster so they could play carry. Mainly peruvians doing this because they have no social contract over there
>>493226503We're still in the honeymoon phase right now. Once people discover they can gank with Veilwalker and ruin the enemy team's jungle the meta will turn messy.
What if they made deadlock require a controller and gave it extremely generous aim assist? Would that make things better or worse?
>>493226852Why would you even suggest that
>>493226852I'm fine with it, but it wouldn't be Deadlock anymore wouldn't it?I playtested Mecha Break (it has aim assist) and had a really fun time, though.
>>493226576>it's a little less random now so it's okay that your item build is partially determined by RNGI don't know what the current item pool is and I don't care anymore, but I played DotA for years where Drow's viability as a character was determined by her team's ability to randomly drop a +150 attack range bow. Fuck neutral items.
>>493226852a fuck ton worse are you seriousno one wants aim assist
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>>493226852Will never ever happen, since it would heavily dilute competitive integrity. It would be even worse than league players paying money to unlock heroes and powerups.
I think I am in MMR solo queue hell where the game will put me with 3-4+ teammates who will lose lane by half of the soul and feed 0/5 or worse every game. Then of course that is impossible and we get ran over in 20 min or less.
>>493227098>>493227098>>493227098
>>493226852Worse. Playing a shooter with a controller is cancer anyway.
>>493226976When you have half of the tier's items avaliable, it's not "a little" less random.
>>493227142>halfYou mean it's a 50/50 chance now? A probably that could be simulated by flipping a coin?
>>493226852controller consistently ruins twitchy ADHD games because it takes out the twitchy part of it
>>493156929Honestly I find stacking 3000/4500 items usually better than rushing a 6300This game favours full slots because of a lot of % based increases to statsThat said, I think Siphon Bullets and Echo Shard are ridiculous and probably worth rushing
>>493220301tony except he's a midget mobster who keeps growing bizzer
