https://maxroll.gg/poe2/planner/si2be0zg

thoughts ?

>>507291598
Thoughts on Blasphemy Temp Chains?

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>essence/strongbox/shrine is ass
>waystone tier up isnt needed
>rare/magic monsters has nothing on just rolling it on the map and boosting it to 100%+
there is no better atlas setup than this.

PoE1 char select is so insanely kino and PoE2 char select is just OK.

>>507291872
makes the game too easy

>>507291880
>waystone tier up isnt needed
why

How are they gonna nerf stat stacking without ruining the items?
You can't really touch Pillar. Making Howa give inc lightning instead of flat or something? As it stands right now it's universally the best gloves for any non-slam attack build.

>>507291872
Does nothing against the multiproj bombers deleting you from offscreen

I am tempted to put my gemling melee aside until they fix melee. Which they will fix. I'm sure of it.
I want to do a summoner that is NOT detonate dead, arsonist, or SRS. Anything you can do with the brutes that isnt just blowing them up?

>>507292006
make the items much more rare imo

>>507292024
Those guys are manageable. The mosqiutomancers detonating dead from ACTUALLY two screens away is mind boggling though. Feels like they fat fingered an extra zero on the cast range of that shit.

>>507292065
>until they fix melee. Which they will fix. I'm sure of it.
lol

Not sure if this is a bug or not, but when you get the passive skill, "Lord of Horror" (Minions have 12% reduced reservation) you need to click off all of your minions and then click them back. The game doesn't factor in the reduced reservation on active minions and that should get you at least 1 if not 2 additional minions.

>>507292006
>can't really touch pillar
Yeah? Watch this.
>reduces ratio of stats to power to a third
Fuck you
>nooooo you can't just make a unique bad
Every other unique is bad, the average blue weapon you pick up is better than almost all of them. Who cares

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hey does this shit turn on when you get nuked or is it only checked on hit

>>507291953
do boss nodes
it floods you with maps

>>507292024
Ok how about cast on freeze temp chains with the fireball build.

>>507292024
>multiproj bombers deleting you from offscreen
god I hate these fuckers SO MUCH

does skill effect duration increase wither interval???

>>507292205
They'll fix melee or I'll do a christchurch.

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>>507292219

>>507292221
until you increase the level too high and the loot table breaks and you get no maps

>>507291953
unnecessary for sustain, i have a full tab of 15/16s and each boss drops 3-5 t15s with all the map effect.

>>507292219
Pretty sure it's an on/off state but I can't say I see any utility in that node atm.

>>507292297
they've been trying to "fix" melee for like a decade, your best hope is screen wide "melee" skills.

>>507292219
when you are on low life you have 80% increased armour and evasion.
bretty nice if you are down that way with an infernalist.

I don't even know what supports to put on Storm Wave anymore, I have Upheaval and Magnified Effect, should I add Longshot in there?

>>507292219
It doesn't apply to going from above low life to low life
It's for actual low life builds

>>507292006
they'll turn howa back into a claw when claws get released

>>507292006
Why would you even bother nerfing stat stacking when it costs 150+ divs to get going

What's the best ritual passive points for getting another audience with the king before I've got my second set of points. I just want to burn through this faggot's fights without spending 7 div per

I assume it's the "extra reroll" and then speccing for deferrals once you see the audience?

i barely use my dodge roll anymore

>>507292537
>when claws get released
Didn't the thing from last thread about the disgruntled employee that was proven right about leaks also say that claws were basically scrapped

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Ain't no way this works on Fragmentation Rounds right?

>>507292006
>You can't really touch Pillar.
Why wouldn't they touch it?
1% increased skill duration per 10 intelligence
1% increased attack speed per 10 dexterity
5% increased weapon damage per 10 strength

there, fixed your pillar of the caged god

>>507292667
Wasn't the vine trap level stacking nerfed despite being really expensive?

>>507292667
why do ppl say its expensive? just get str on every item

>>507292480
They had perfect opportunity with poe2 and blundered it entirely by making it poe1.5 instead. Just go back to first Diablo speed, monster density and lethality, or alternatively copy No Rest For The Wicked for arpg dark souls.

>>507292820
retard

>>507291367
>The combat in the beta was actually better than average for these types of games
Funny enough it didn't have as good of a gamefeel as Diablo 3 did. I don't know how they managed to fuck that up considering it was built on the same engine.

not a cockroach

>>507292065
>until they fix melee. Which they will fix. I'm sure of it.
buddy every good melee build got hit by the nerf bat by GGG
they actually hate melee players

>softcore streamer
>uses his own build
Literally all streamers use meta builds or be minionfags
I haven't seen a single one that uses an original build from start

>>507292919
melee is just antithetical to arpgs, can't go around killing packs of monsters when you need to 1 on 1 them. it'll never be the way you want it, it's all about speed and splash.

I am going to fucking curbstomp whoever designed Prowling Shades, keep that shit only in Vaal Factories so I can fucking avoid them. God damn niGGGers

>>507292854
Try it
It's good regardless for Herald of Ice pops

>>507291880
>not choosing the rares on the left
ngmi

>>507292923
Nigger. Claws are way too cool a weapon to make a moveset for these retarded anti-melee devs to pull it off. There's no way they're getting through ever

>>507292065
You're forced to level as SRS. Skelebros are useless before you get a bunch of defensive passives for them. Maybe around level 40 you could suffer through the rest of the game without SRS.

I don't know how they're at endgame because I got fed up with how shit they are.

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Why

>>507293091
1 on 1 worked fine for diablo1
I would happily trade away that part of "action" in "action rpg", I rather have less monsters and be more meaningful, than killing packs of 10 absolute trash mobs
I don't know when did that started, or why you think that's something to uphold/keep on the genre

>>507292873
>>507292217
People are just gonna start playing bows. Lightning Rod is just as busted as bell and you can abuse accuracy stacking with widowhail that normally gets wasted on staves.
>>507292903
>>507292667
You can get it started for like 30ish. It's not instantly delete bosses tier but builds have outpaced bosses by a massive amount already.

>>507293075
Ster.
Ster theorycrafted his own build at the start and was blasting bosses and maps with a skill almost nobody uses to this day. Snipe. Helmet that causes crits to have a 100% chance to apply a poison. He increases crit damage. He applies a poison(s) with Snipe's gigantic modifier and watches boss HP bars deplete. He uses it to prolif poison, but otherwise for white packs farts the poison cloud. It was kinda fun to watch him play it.

>>507293162
It's a bit pricy to try. The wording on Frag makes me assume its frozen explosion isn't a shatter.

>>507293283
to discourage fags like you that pay for gold with real life currency
get fuckd lol
you got him Chris
good job

>>507293091
melee doesn't have to be 1on1, it would just rather be 1on5 than 1on40
there's no way to do interesting "melee" designs if every fight is a musou where you explode 40 white enemies that die to being clipped by splash damage
the advantage melee should have is that their basic hits interrupt individual enemy attacks by staggering things so their survivability comes from better control, but we're playing a game where enemies don't even attack because the screen is permanently exploding and you only die to on-death pools
Game is a farce

if dogshit tastes so bad, then why do I keep eating it? checkmate athiests

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>cheapest Queen of the Forest is 11 div
Thanks Chinaman

>>507293286
>than killing packs of 10 absolute trash mobs
that's the way arpgs have been for like 2 decades, mindless grinding and the occasional boss fight where you need to pay attention.
being constantly on the edge of your seat is extremely tiring, people play games to relax.

>>507293283
assuming it respects ilvl, to prevent people from rolling gambling characters that restrict the loot table while fishing for uniques

>>507293336
>Lightning Rod is just as busted as bell
Yes, but different situation
1. add more cool suffix/prefixes to the game to different slots
2. put cooldowns on strong combo skills like lightning rod and bell, or force them out of being able to be used as a primary spam skill
3. i have no idea add more skills. bell and rods are cool, but it's more of the fact that the other classes don't have something like this
4. potg builds also use bell, but you don't have to, because it's so strong you can just tempest flurry + herald of thunder through maps and never releasing the attack button and 1shot everything like D3 flurry monk

>>507293472
just buy chance orbs at this point

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>>507293163
waste of points when every map is this

>>507293425
>pay for gold with real life currency

>>507293597
I wish

do you have to unearth with the mouse at an enemies corpse?
or just unearth over it?

I realized im just too shit without my level-crutch on spells
what spells do i cast

>>507293436
Flicker strike was heaps of fun in Poe1. The difference between that and this is that in Poe2 they've taken away any of the mobility you used to have. Leap slam is slow as hell. Shield charge stops on every tiny little white mob spider that dies to a stern look. The wind up on shield charge means EVEN IF you don't get stuck on a random mob you will die before you even start moving. Flicker strike is restricted to QS only (and so is the rest of the good melee toolkit including all the shit with actual mobility and escape).
All they need to do is give melee some actual fucking mobility. Ranged plays the spacing game by not moving as much but being able to project damage over the whole screen. Melee plays the spacing game by only being able to hit things nearby but having more ways to position around the fight. That's how it should be. But its the opposite. Range has all the mobility AND the range. Its so fucking stupid.

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>>507293091
>>507293436
Let melee skills freely path through enemies, like wading through units and beating the shit out of them. Literally just turn the game into Dynasty Warriors as a melee-only thing.
If their vision ever actually gets realized, comboing abilities is required, and moshpit swarms that can't be instantly blow up are commonplace, then this would melee feel fun as fuck. Claws dash through enemies swinging wildly, hammers and axes cleave through with wide swings while stepping forward, Ice Strike and shit doesn't latch onto an enemy but simply moves forward and displaces them.
There, melee is fun as fuck now. It also ties mobility to your attacks so you've made up for the fact you can't just circle-strafe and spam like magecucks can, which also means you can design anti-melee mechanics that melee can do while attacking and moving to the right spots

It really isn't that hard a concept. Make this game Dynasty Warriors for melee

>>507293731
melee having more mobility is sensible but in the current state of the game it would only be used to blink faster between packs of 40 white trash that you instantly explode with attacks which might as well be a mage fire explosion because they are visually and functionally identical
the content needs to be fixed before you can fix the player character

>Minions are still garbage and tedious manual spellcasters
>Melee is just as bad if not worse than poe1
>Another game made by and for spellslinger players
lmao what was even the point of making this shit game

>still no new patch or news
they gave up didn't they

>>507293942
>>Minions are still garbage and tedious manual spellcasters

>>507292006
are you really complainign a 200 div build is op?

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>>507293075
Why are you trying to spin the game's lack of build diversity into a SC vs HC thing?

>>507293782
>Dynasty Warriors
you still just want to explode screens of 40 enemies you just want it to look more like a melee attack when it happens. I do not consider musous to be something to strive for

>try to make everyone move and fight slower
>make the maps significantly bigger and fill them with the same dogshit trash enemies as usual
>reduce crafting options
>make loot drops worse
it's like this game was developed by a team with two separate visions of what the game should be
god damn get your shit together

I wish there were life nodes. It feels like shit having so little life as the big Warrior titan man, despite the fact I've tried to stack as much STR and life as possible. Meanwhile Gemlings are running around with double my HP pool...

Maybe I should just remake my Warrior as a Gemling...

easiest build to stack rarity on and farm t10-t15s?
Im a witch hunter currently

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Ice nova build is feeling really comfy.

>>507292065
Brutes or even reavers with full minion crit build works.

>>507293937
The content definitely DOES need to be fixed. Their whole design philosophy is out of touch and I really don't understand if no one has just sat down with mr. rogers and told him he's a fucking idiot or if he's blissfully unaware.
But I don't think that precludes fixing melee.

Surely all the bald retards with horrible ideas were put on the poe2 team right? That means the next poe1 league is going to be an absolute blast

>>507292903
I dunno, I tried it, got to 600 str and Pillar still felt shittier than simply playing Gemling and just going Crit Lighting Monk instead.

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>>507291903
You sound like you haven't played PoE1 since 3.0

>>507294070
ggg changed poe2 direction at least twice during development and it shows, also i am convinced the current early access build was jurryrigged in last six months from bits and pieces of what they were fumbling with for 6 years prior

>>507294106
%life amulet
%life jewel
%life soul cores

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How much rarity do I need for it to become noticable?
I'm SSF by the way.

>>507292065
>>507292205
>>507293068
>>507292480
They "fixed" melee two times in the history of poe.
1. Original slam league. Everyone was running around shouting and one shot slamming everything.
2. Legion cyclone league. Everyone was running around with strong, screenwide aoe cyclones.
What did they do? They nerfed both of them into the ground, never to be good again.

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>>507294245
my stun stacking armor break stacking stampede titan is feeling super comfy

>>507293665
over is fine

>>507294052
I'm not the person you were originally replying to, I'm saying it like Dynasty Warriors because that's literally what this game is going to be with 50 enemies surrounding you that you can't instantly kill.

I don't want you pressing a couple buttons and popping the screen as if every melee is running Herald of Ice. I want you wading from one side of the pack to the other doing damage, enemies at 70% hp.Then a Quarterstaff turns around uses Frost Wave or whatever to jump backwards, freezing the pack. Then they jump back in with Vaulting Impact.
I want Warriors doing a short spin like a cyclone stopped early through a pack, then a rolling slam, then an earthquake that staggers everyone, then something that pulls them in. Five hit combos that move you through the enemy, position them, but also provide some survivability.
Claws and swords charging through from one side to the other over and over while building charges, followed by some big finisher move. idgaf, they aren't in yet so I can't say how to implement it.

The point is that so long as 'the vision' is maintained and screens aren't instantly dying eventually, this is quite literally the only way melee will not feel shit in this game. Look at every action combat game ever. They do the same thing. Moving through enemies, attacks move you forward, moshpits are displaced by melee rather than the other way around. As long as white mobs are meant to swarm you and not be killed right away, melee will be a fucking joke if this game isn't treated like Dynasty Warriors but with slower kills.

>>507294369
>ggg changed poe2 direction at least twice during development and it shows
campaign is slow and methodical. mapping is poe1.5, they clearly got scared of the community's reaction and the 0 playerbase in ruthless.

>>507294465
It's weird and I have no idea what kind of wacky code they have going on. But even 50% is a huge improvement.
>>507294486
Same as minions. Minions get a good league. Witches eating good. Banished to the shadow realm for 999 eternities for the unconscionable sin of attempting to have fun.

Remember Act2 Scarab swarms?
Remember how they were at that point a novel new encounter where you are swarmed by a large number of very weak enemies?
Yea that's the whole game for the next 10,000hrs now, have fun

>>507294495
I never understood stun stacking armor break
Every monster just dies in 2 rolling slams hits anyway

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>make 3 classes hot women
>make the rest of classes ugly söy reddit beard bear fag dad dudes or asian twinks.
Wonder why sorc, witch and ranger dominate?

>>507294571
>But even 50% is a huge improvement.
Hoy shit. How would anyone know this especially since in poo1 rarity was trash afaik unless completely raritymaxx.

>>507293981
playing a 4k life titan feels like a joke when minion builds are running around with 10k es

>>507294571
minions have been meta or near meta almost every league for years.
like 4 out of the last 5 poe leagues they were meta in some form.

>titan doesn't give + character size
missed opportunities

>>507294651
There was an interview where jonathon mentioned offhand that rarity would "upgrade" currencies now.

>>507294604
damn dude that's slow as hell

>looking at all the gear you find to determine if it's a direct upgrade or see if you can craft on it to hope for one
>using all of your current for what they're meant for
>finding cool gear you can save that would make a new build really strong while leveling up
>saving gear for different situations
>not having to worry about market FOMO, inflation, and keeping up with everyone
SSF is pure kino.

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>>507294642
You're two decades too late to the party. Western developers would rather tank half a billion dollars before they make an attractive character

>>507294662
But you have the wonderful defensive layer that is armour to save you :)

>>507294662
That's because GGG is genuinely retarded and left ES nodes on the Tree instead of taking them out back and blowing their brains out like they did with Life nodes

>>507294530
>Look at every action combat game ever
I guarantee you are thinking of some very specific examples because I can't think of a single game where you are melee'ing 50 enemies that I could justify being given the title of an "action combat game"
Yes, that is how you would design a fight against 50 enemies on one screen
No I don't think you should be trying to design that in the first place

>>507294486
Melee felt pretty decent in Settlers, though?
Shockwave Cyclone this league has been one of my smoothest league starts to date.

>>507294736
>get no currency or gear drops for 20h+
sure feels fun

>>507294704
SRS are NOT minions
Skeleton mages were fucking sick though. Look what happened to those sorry bastards when the BFR looked in and noticed witches having fun.

>>507294589
if I could absolutely be swarmed by an unbroken sea of enemies, I would be so happy
instead I have to fight these gay little individual packs because you can only herd so many together before they start fucking off

>>507294818
I couldn't play SSF anymore, trading and shit drop rates aside, just the Currency Exchange is a big QoL

>>507294604
Because you can make your entire screen pop instead of only the three monsters in front of you, anon

>>507293654
yes, it's a thing. they just trade you items that sell for a lot of gold.

>>507294818
your 400% rarity sis?

>>507291598
>guardians in white maps
That's a rather old pic.

Gamesux

>>507294547
Campaign stops being methodical in like act 2, even first act it is questionable with feythorn olympic sprinters swarming you and werewolves coming in packs of 10.

>>507294843
how are mages any different than srs?
because without removing srs from the mix you realize that for the last 4 or 5 years minions have been meta or near meta almost every league?

>>507294736
>spawning 1 citadel every 3-4h
>seeing one Olroth every 2 days
>not having done a single sim throughout these two weeks

>>507294797
Melee was pretty good. If they backported WASD to Poe1 I'd probably never take another glance at Poe2.

>>507293731
>leap slam
All they have to do to fix leap slam is make it have instant turn animation time and make you immune in the air.
Fucking shit it feels so bad to use I doubt anyone internally even tried it.

>>507294912
???
Neither stun nor armor break does damage anon, nor proliferate to other mobs you don't hit? wtf am I missing here, is this a troll

>>507294793
Whether it's
>MMOs like, Lost Ark, Tera, Black Desert, Blade and Soul,
>RPGs like Dragon's Dogma, Kingdom Hearts, FF7 remake or Dirge of Cerberus
>whatever the fuck you can call DMC, Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising
>or Soulslikes like Nioh and Wukong (albeit not Dark Souls itself, though even then it still becomes like that during the periods where there's five enemies in front of you and your weapon can actually reach them all)
Literally all of them do combat the same way if there's more than 2 enemies in front of them. And this game is designed to have 20 enemies surrounding you at all times.

If you just don't want 50 enemies on the screen at once then you haven't been paying attention to the entire point of this playtest and the entire point of this game. Every mechanic is testing swarm mechanics, every encounter is 20 enemies, melees are getting pushed around by waves of them. If you don't want that you shouldn't even be waiting for this game's release because it's not for you. So the question is how you solve it for melee without it feeling shit.

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How did they fuck up witch hunter ascendancy nodes so bad?
There is literally no node that does something interesting with crossbows or related to crossbows. The culling and decimating nodes feel like a band-aid solution to a damage problem,the AoE explode is a band-aid to clear speed and the worst thing is you can get almost the same property on items anyway. The only thing that's interesting is the concentration.
Maybe he should be a chief in a concentration camp.

>>507294495
I'm happy for you.

>>507295260
It's probably not meant to be a crossbow-centric ascendancy.

>>507295112
They work more like a spell (eg. not targetable), on one hand is obviously why they're actually really good (side stepping the whole problem of minion survivability), but on the other hand also kind of defeats the purpose of playing a necromancer where the idea is having your small army of trusty skeletons fighting and dying at your command.
I like the melee skeletons a lot more than the skeleton mages, but the skeleton mages were at least really really good. Kinda like arsonists in Poe2 though, it does feel a bit like a blaster build in drag.

>>507294797
>melee felt decent in settlers
Lightning Strike and Molten Strike weren't real melee
Basically the only thing that felt like real melee was, as always, Boneshatter

>>507294571
Minions were OP as fuck and deserved to be nerfed starting with blight and like the next 3 leagues. It was absolutely ridiculous.

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>>507295260
>showcase WitchHunter
>WASD baby, literally the posterchild of PoE2
>one of the lowest playerbase

wtf it happened?

For me, it's righteous fire l

>>507293594
Do the chance orbs work/work better on advanced and expert items?

>>507295260
It has cool bloodborne jpg so it doesn't need good nodes as reddit basedboys will play it regardless.

>>507295495
What happened is they overtuned the game as much as they can on purpose to know what people are willing to put up with, and will nerf all the one button builds by release because retards can't stop themselves from playing them to show the devs exactly what's busted
When people are forced to combo, Witch Hunter becomes a lot better by comparison

>>507294912
>>507295168
It got nerfed. You used to be able to chain armor break a few days ago.

>>507295471
i want the poe1 1.0 true melee experience, bring bash heavy strike with no melee splash

>>507294651
>>507294725
And it tells you in game when you hover rarity.

Do you get the exchange in hideout?
Can all chars use it regardless of level?

>>507295495
Gemling was one of the more unpopular ascendencies till all the sheep started seeing the overpowered shit online.

>>507294642
You forgot the part where they force us to be a nigger if we want to play melee.

>>507295456
>They work more like a spell
so do skeletons and zombies, you cast them, they do their thing and despawn.
bama, srs, spectres, skeletons, zombies, golems, all meta or near meta going back to before ritual. pre-ritual they were even more busted.

>>507295682
I run gemling so I could do off meta jank int+str gem combinations.
You run gemling so you can stat stack.
We are not the same.

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>>507291598
Give me a fun build. No crossbows involved.

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>>507295601
>>507295168
It's easier if I just show you.
https://streamable.com/1frh4g

I'm only level 50 and just started Cruel Act 1, so I don't have the correct notables or Gem set ups yet. But it's close enough that you get the idea. When I get to 70ish, it should be even larger. But every now and again I can see entire screen pops.

>>507295349
I happy for you too, nova anon.

>>507294771
They didn't LEAVE them on the tree. They PUT them there. And do you know what values they gave to them? It's like fucking 28% increased energy shield for one node. And there are many of those. What the fucking fuck were they thinking?
Meanwhile, life gets two 3% nodes.

>>507295586
if you put on radiant grief you can just run around spamming brap nades and they explode on their own.

How much strength should I aim for as a giant's blood titan

How the fuck do I get higher tier maps? I don't want to run shitty tier 4s anymore for fucks sake.

>>507294818
>>507295124
Idk guys just sounds like a skill issue to me.

>>507295260
>>507295495
It's theoretically not even that bad
The cull nerfs in PoE2 suck and Sorcery Ward shouldn't reduce AR/EV that much, but those are just some numerical issues and it could be a lot worse
The real issue is that Deadye is better at every projectile skill that Witch Hunter is, even xbow skills
Nerf Deadeye so it's not so blindingly overpowered (probably need to nerf Invoker at the same time or get the same issue), slightly buff a couple of things on WH, and everything is fixed

>>507295910
i wouldn't worry about it. the skill tree is going to change several times a year for the foreseeable future.

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so compared to POE1, we lost
>blight
>harvest
>heist
>ultimatum in maps
>legion
>einhar
>rogue exiles
>betrayal
>alva
>delve
>abyss
>sirus
>synthesis
>maven
>feared, forgotten, formed, twisted, hidden, elderslayers
>maven
>exarch and eater

what did we gain?

>>507295819
Brap gas arrow is pretty fun.
Magnetic salvo with ice explosions is fun.
Melee Deadeye with the mace projectile thing is fun.
Bloodmage essence drain + contagion is fun, I swear :^)

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>>507295179
>If you just don't want 50 enemies on the screen at once then you haven't been paying attention to the entire point of this playtest and the entire point of this game
Or you just watched the trailer for the fucking videogame, which doesn't look anything like the end game of the same videogame because the devs are fully aware that nobody actually likes what this game becomes

The majority of the game's you've listed don't play anything like PoE and almost all of them stick to single digit numbers of enemies in melee at a time
>It's just like Nioh!
No it fucking isn't

>>507295910
ES needs much more investment than armor or evasion, it can also be hard to regenerate during hard fights.
it'll probably be nerfed a bit, especially grim feast. don't forget this is EA and it wouldn't be the first time ES got nerfed.

>mfw crossbow white mobs deal more than my wh
that's rough

>can't buy gear because the trade site is dead half of the time
>the economy is ruined half because retards listing everything for 1 div and the retarded trade site automatically listing them higher than 3 ex items
>can't craft items because crafting doesn't exist

>>507295260
Ascendancies should not be pigeon holed into specific weapons. If you think any ascendancy should be the The crossbow ascendancy then you fundamentally don't "get" path of exile.

>>507295969
As much as possible, ideally. But since you get a good portion of your damage and survivability from Small Passives due to Hulking Form, don't try to be a stat stacker. Start off just getting enough for your weapons without being forced to use reduced stat requirement. After that, anything else is just a bonus.

>>507293665
the hit detection on is shit and namelocking fucks it up even further

>>507295682
people were calling out that obviously gemling was going to be strong if stat stacking was strong but we didn't have all the data yet on that kind of build
surprise, stat stacking is strong

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>>507296071
>what did we gain?

we gained dodge roll

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>>507296071
uhm

>>507296132
>what is currency filter on the trade site

>>507296071
>what did we gain?
ermm KINO?

>>507296176
so bone blasts better?

>>507281315
Your new is showing even more dumb newfaggot nigger, elona early on was not fleshed out in the slightest compared to release Elin.

Did the Rudja (flamethrower) boss in a t16 map with the only damage mod being 39% extra lightning, zero res/curse mods. Got res cap and 6k health, the boss did 6k health in literally under a second with the standard flamethrower attack, holy fucking shit
Literally more damage than Arbiter beam or any pinnacle boss

>>507296071
Wasd, smooth controls, skill-based gameplay.

Poe1 is for spergs who "play" the game while watching something else on the second monitor.

>>507296386
>skill-based
grow up

>>507296386
>skill-based gameplay
LOL LMAO

>>507296071
>what did we gain?
A fresh start, this time a game where the base combat is good
Poe1 combat wasnt good, the ubderlying systems were

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>>507296386
>skill-based gameplay.

>>507296135
Right in that case i'll just play deadeye with +1 projectile because while that's not that interesting either,at least it's strong.

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>>507296449
>>507296453
uh oh melty

>>507296382
Did you try her surprise explode os move?

>>507296072
in short: play ranger or dont play at all

>>507296386
Don't fool yourself. Mapping in poe 2 is so simple in brain dead that I'm already watching stuff on my other monitor nonstop.

>>507296538
Try playing a non-broken build maybe

Where do you get Balbala as a boss in maps so I know to avoid that node

>>507296483
>Poe1 combat wasnt good
name one concrete difference in how poe2 endgame combat is different from poe1 endgame.
>hardmode: no rollslop

I need a minion ARMY

>>507296527
Unfortunately yes. Her ascendency is the simplest yet the strongest.
Tailwind and +1 projectile is much better than anything else.

i got a dubby

>>507296576
Are you still stuck fighting Jamanra in Act 2 Cruel?

>>507296613
The first weekend of poe 2 was the best we'll ever get. We briefly had slow and methodical combat. Then we all got a little gear, figured out the game, plus a few nerfs to the difficulty and it all became poe 1 levels of faceroll zoom zoom.

>>507296073
>Or you just watched the trailer for the fucking videogame
Literally every playtest video had people playing Merc and rolling around packs 10 enemies and blowing them up lmao, what the fuck were you watching? Show me a single trailer that made this game out to be Dark Souls and only 3 enemies and you have your honorable duels.
>The majority of the game's you've listed don't play anything like PoE
The point was they're all action combat games that have melee handle packs of enemies in the exact same way. They're all different games but have the same approach. But even then games like Lost Ark had the same perspective and basically the same mentality to melee
>no it fucking isn't
>posts a Kusarigama webm
Wow congrats, the one "melee" weapon that's entirely designed around keepaway and knocking down a single enemy. You sure showed me that axe, fists, longsword, and dual swords don't exist which were all about rapidly hitting like 3 people at once while moving forward, had hyperarmor moves that let them tank their way through five attacks and kill a whole pack, or the jumping ability that each of them had which aoe slammed five dudes at once
Great cherrypick though. You found one game amidst all the top action games of all time that you might be able to play "gotcha" with and fucked up with the literal rangecuck "melee"

You literally didn't pay attention to any stage of development. Everything you wanted from this game was headcanoned.

>>507296335
if you wanna summon the boner things then bone blast doesn't really help and it's terrible in terms of damage

>>507296358
Who the fuck talked about Elona "early on", retard? Of course Elona was weaker on release, it came out before and Elin is a direct sequel with all the same mechanics and some extra. But Elona has also had plenty of time 'to cook' much like how Elin needs to

>>507294278
>next poe1 league
who's gonna tell him?

god the mana costs get so fucking retarded in end game, i am glad spirit is a thing because i wouldn't be able to sustain shit with mana reservation

When do you get srs gem?

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easy rog

Hey guys! I'll be in Global Chat 6339 for the next hour! Drop by and i'll do my best to answer your burning questions!

>>507297029
first spirit reward
king of the mists I think

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>>507294547
Mapping doesn't have any real design. It's just thrown together at the last minute because Chris Wilson walked in and said "you retards didn't forget about the lategame, did ya?".
The last part might only be real in my mind.

>>507297064
>0% movespeed
Based Rog

Are hideouts permanent once you unlock them or no?
I won't even be surprised if it's no

>>507297204
its 30

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>>507295446
>It's probably not meant to be a crossbow-centric ascendancy.

>>507297346
Nah it's )%

>>507297337
They should be but idk for sure.

>>507296912
You sure typed a whole lot to end up agreeing with my retarded zoomie lmao

>>507297168
I bet he hasn't even been in the GGG office in over 2 years.

Monk killed all of his peers in the monastery. Explain yourselves Chuddhas.

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>>507297476

>>507297441
What the fuck are you saying you stupid cunt
>Elin needs time to cook
>that means you didn't play Elona
>Elona had content
>not on release!!!
>I wasn't talking about release
>hehe gotcha, we said the same thing
Retard

I have 120 hours in and am at level 84 (only a single character played) and I have yet to find a citadel on the map
my ADD is straight up crippling and it takes too long to find these fucking things on top of it
This is discrimination against my condition

>>507296040
Deadeye should have +1 chain instead of +1 projectile. An additional projectile in a game where you can't really get them is far too strong. It's ironic that bows can get extra arrow as a mod but crossbows can't so it's even stronger for crossbows.

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>>507297362
Were the duelist ascendancies all the sword ascendancy?

>>507297648
yes

witch or gemling for minions

>>507292919
No Rest for the Wicked is one of the worst games I've played

>>507296806
there is no kusarigama in that webm you massive retard

>>507297476
He's a Wuxia protagonist. They all do that at some point

>>507297668
see this is how i know you didn't play poe1, champion was a magic ascendency

>>507297648
I miss slayer. I can't believe it's not coming back. Why we get fag shit like deadeye and pathfinder but not slayer?

>>507297585
I literally had one right next to my starting point lol

>>507297668
I don't think I've used a sword on an a duelist since dual wield sunder with a sword stat stick was the build. I've played fucking ed champ more recently than sword anything.

>>507297807
>dual axes with spear
>ranged spam with keepaway
Who gives a fuck

These maps layouts are... rough.

This is a shorter post on Game Design and Player Friction. There is a fine balance to be had between no friction, some friction and too much friction. Right now, i'd say 8/10 maps is unbearable amounts of friction.

Map Layouts. Wow. Where to even begin? Like, I get it - not every map can be Strand, Shore, Beach, City Square. I get it. But did you have to make 85% of the layouts WORSE than Cells Map in PoE 1? Back tracking, winding non-sense open spaces peppered with small hallways or outcrops leading to dead-ends, all topped off with an UNREAL amount of choke points, doors, narrow passageways and other non-sense to just GET IN THE WAY.

Second point - the amount of hit box bugs and terrain blocking in the game is something I would expect from a very, VERY early tech alpha. I can't be the only one playing and wondering why on the mini-map my character icon is in what looks like an open area but I can't move?

Dude. The logs, grass, bushes, twigs, rocks, fallen logs, trees, flowers, EVERYTHING has to have a hit box?! EVERYTHING? I'm trying to run thru a map and there is literally just holes in the ground. WHY? What game play purpose does this serve - especially since many monsters are firing ranged projectiles at you and have stupidly fast, terrain ignoring movement skills while you are fiddle farting around trying to just run around a stupid rock?

There needs to be some friction - I get it. But every SINGLE thing that my character just get snapped into and can't move then dies and loses the map I'm trying to clear reminds me. This was designed this way. Someone made the code to generate these Biomes and very deliberately put THIS MUCH clutter into the maps.

Artificial Time Gating and random full cessation of character movement is jarring and dissatisfying.

>>507298004
what's the point in copying reddit posts and posting them here?

>>507298147
These maps layouts are... rough.

>>507297168
I can see it. Mapping was originally added in as a stopgap measure to address the game's lack of endgame to begin with, so it wouldn't surprise me

>>507298004
reddit

>>507298004
This is a reddit post but he's not even wrong

>>507297575
Lol you are so fucking retarded holy shit, just the fact that you insist that you were "totally" comparing an early access game to the final version of it's predecessor is hilarious and retarded either way you slice it KEK, but the best part is the extremely butt hurt and incorrect summary of the conversation, probably prompted due to being ousted as literal retard newfaggot who wasn't around for Elona lmao. The best part is you are absolutely seething at the keyboard and will respond within seconds again. Fucking zoomie haha

>>507297613
Yeah, that would be good. GGG should drop it with the ascendancy nodes that are so good they are basically mandatory.

The terrain is really fucking annoying. So much shit you expect to be able to walk on but you just can't for no good reason.

>507298271
I'm not reading all that, you already shown you're a fag

>>507298147
It's one guy who things It's le epic troll XD
He's been doing it for literal years now. Just ignore him move on

>>507297862
I'll strangle you

>CURRENT YEAR
>character names still have to be unique
Guess autogenerating a number and attaching it at the end of each name is too difficult.

>>507298345
I fucking hate Steppe because of the amount of vegetation, it's even worse than Blooming Field for visibility

What's the most OP class in the game rn?

>>507298429
LA

>>507298358
KEK see, called it. Though it was even more butt hurt than even I was expecting. And the under 20 classic of the indirect reply too bwahahah. Probably get another one too, children can't resist getting the last word in.

>>507298429
gemling if you have a thousand div
deadeye if you don't

>>507298416
They're still using a website outside the game for trade, very cool lol!

>507298505

>>507296806
>melee handle packs of enemies in the exact same way
So Dragon's Dogma characters fight groups of enemies by walking up to them and pressing an armour break bonk which explodes the whole screen? Shut the fuck up

>>507298358
Meant for
>>507298271

>>507298557
Meant for
>>507298505

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What do Citadels even look like, are they big and flashy like the Burning Monolith?

can you not get srs through skill gems?

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>>507296386
>Wasd
i refuse to believe anyone unironically uses it over mouse

>>507298416
It's really weird since they already did bind account names to numbers. There's actually no excuse for it at this point.

>>507298573
You didn't even read the comment chain you stupid faggot. I'm not talking about the current state of the game with dogshit screen-clearing oneshots, I'm talking about how they all approach fighting groups of enemies.

>>507298632
Don't anger the little zoomie turd up further, I was content to have called his extra indirect reply and let him have the last word. They need time to grow out of it.

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god i cant fucking wait for grim dawn

>>507298689
Mouse annoys me because all these skills with baked in movement move anyway even when I hold the attack without moving button but I can't imagine wasd is any better.

>>507298686
it's a spirit skill

>>507298814
ooohh...

>507298632
>507298770
samefag

How difficult are the citadel bosses? Possible to do If I can kill tier 15/16 map bosses in a couple of seconds?

>>507297451
I think that's just a lack of object permanence on your part. You assume that he stopped existing the moment he stopped doing the interviews for GGG.

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POV: You're a Skeletonchad.

>>507298716
the games you've listed don't all approach fighting groups of enemies in the same way in the first place dipshit, what are you even talking about

>>507298689
it's pretty based for ranged desu, but super shit for melee

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PoE vets, I got a logistic question. I have arrived pretty firmly in the lategame now (lvl 90 farming and sustaining t15+).

Most my gear is still pretty mediocre but I have saved up 8 div. What is the better move now, do I upgrade several slots for 1-2 div each, or do I all spend it on 1 slot and get that as optimised as I can?

>>507298986
The only difference between them in how melee brute forces their way through hordes is in the number of units in front of them and the perspective, faggot. Some of them are a little less consistent but they don't have you running away like a pansy and getting mobbed 5v1 in a corner like the cuck you are, which is exactly what's going to happen in this game if there's no way to displace mobs and attack while moving.

Fighting a literal cuck is the most kino boss fight GGG has ever cooked up. Who'd have thunk it?

>trade gets ddosed
>you have to sign in every other minute now
RRRRRREEEEEE

>>507299135
spend it on weapon. just kill faster for survivability, and farm faster for ur other shit

Where's the giant snake boss in Venom Crypts?
I DEMAND A GIANT SNAKE BOSS IN VENOM CRYPTS

>>507299135
>I have saved up 8 div
I literally used all my 3 divs rerolling some stuff
How the fuck you get to lvl 90 and have "8 div saved up"
Grow some balls, get a 1 exalt gear with bad rolls, but all the exact mods you need, and and slam it

any chad want to carry me in last tier of breachstone for one div?

id: VelvetMKP

>>507298887
Meant for
>>507298770
>>507298632

now reply to yourself

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>>507299135
if you have troubles surviving upgrade gear
if you have no issues with that pump everything into weapon to farm faster untill you start dying

>>507299505

I'd rather wank to futa than do another league event. In fact, I'll do it right now. More rewarding for less effort

>>507299505

WEAR THE Superior Expert Face Mask

>>507295495
why is Stormweaver so popular?

Why are there only like 3 mob types in the game that aren't faster than me at 40% movespeed

>>507294642
Invoker is up there in popularity.

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Gaming

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I feel so sad guys, I hate how the game feels completely. I've put in about 150+ hours and I just can't enjoy it. I've played my own LR deadeye build to 90 and despise sanctum so haven't got last ascend. When I try any other character I feel exhausted and just want to turn the game off after an hour, can't make anything actually feel nice until it's out of campaign.

I've come to the conclusion that the way PoE is designed (both 1&2) playing a build which doesn't insta kill the entire screen just doesn't actually feel good. Getting stunned/pushed around feels awful, dodge roll feels like ass and has no personality. Game just feels exhausting to play on anything without 30% movespeed + skill speed. Any builds for this feel?

>>507299798
easiest to scale in the game. nodes are literally scripted to make you powerful also Energy Shield > Armour and Evasion

Do I put in Precursors one by one as I go through towers in a cluster or wait until I have them all to use them all at once
I feel like doing them all at once has more overall juiced maps but activating towers can reactive areas you've already cleared so I dunno if I can double up on Precursors by doing the same node multiple times

Does Delirium cloud move? I feel like it does sometimes and sometimes doesn't. Does it matter which direction I enter the mirror from? Is the unique spawn random? I cleared several maps in delirium and got to level 5 but only saw the unique guy once.

>>507294270
>out of touch
>one of the most successful games on the market
Oh (you)

Mao acting smug and taunting Geonor after finally beating him
Can't wait for her to get the smug beaten right out of her again by Assbreaker

>5 prowling shades perma freeze you
>chaos tribalists spam chaos aoe under your feet
>die because chaos dmg
very cool very epic

>>507296386
Did you know Alk doesn't use wasd!?

>cast flame wall x5
>WRRRRRRRRRRRR

>get oneshot every third map
>increase chaos resist from 55 to 75
>haven't been oneshot for the past 20+
New game same shit. Devs learned nothing

>>507299942
Leveling a shit build through the campaign in this game feels 100x worse than a shit build in poe 1 ever did. I like to use the my endgame skill from as early as I can get it so I leveled a lot of absolute dog shit in 1.

I have never wanted excessive damage and move speed as much as in this game. The packs are so annoying to fight and zones drag on so long. There's no way anyone kills their way through soggy vaal city or filthtown in act 3 on their second play through instead of just running past everything. You'd think that in all the idolising of dark souls that they've done they'd have realised the way people actually play those game is just running past everything they're not required to kill to progress.

>>507300248
Mao Zedong?

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cute

>>507293091
It's not hard to just give melee skills big splash.

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>YOU DARE ATTACK *ME*???? FOR SIMPLY CREATING THE HECKIN' BEAST-ARINO???? EVERYTHING I DID WAS FOR HUMANITY!!! I'M THE GOOD GUY!!! I'M THE HERO OF THE STORY!!! I'LL FUCKING KILL YOOOOUUU AJSFJGAPGPAGHAPGJLSKKGPAGJKH!!!!!
And that's Act 6.

does honor resist stop working in trial of time? i ignore mechanics on the scorpion and take max 200 honor the entire fight, first room in trial of time i get clipped by a behemoth and lose 1500 honor

>>507300467
Made for Karuis big feet

>>507300538
Nah, you'll go back in time again, save Atziri and she'll be so impressed by your gigachad strength she'll hug you and smother you between her quad mega milkers culminating in a 6 hour long sex cutscene where you have to smash split second QTEs to make her orgasm

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Act 10 final boss is going to be a suped up version of your build that's here to shit on you and erase whatever retarded alternate-prequel timeline Alva cooked up for the entirety of PoE2 to exist
You're gonna wish your build didn't oneshot the screen when you become the screen

>>507299194
it's now apparent that you have about 5IQ and this entire reply chain was just about you wanting to be able to mindlessly hold forwards while meleeing things, which you think all of those other games are about because you didn't play them properly

>>507299505

>pooe2 will be slow and methodical
>adds breach and delirium
huh

>>507299901
Brooo you got sick physical damage, why the FUCK did you add that elemental damage rune for fucking 13-18 fire instead of another physical
That's just plain being bad at the game, there's no excuse

>>507300741
Act 6, you mean
And it's obviously going to be the Beast. Maybe fused with Kitava's corpse.

>>507300747
Name one of those games where you had to roll away repeatedly like a cuck and get rapefucked in the corner as the primary gameplay. You can't? Oh well looks like your vision is dogshit and every action combat game ever has intentionally made melee feel empowering

>>507300741
>Revert everything that compensate sanguimancy before the fiht
>Watch the boss kill itself in 3 seconds.
Easy.

>>507300414
Funny you mention Dark Souls, I love DaS1 and really like both DaS3 + ER and I could easily grind those games for 8 hours a day back to back. PoE2 just exhausts me, they say that they fixed melee but it just feels worse in this game, melee swings take a week to finish and it's so easy to get stun locked by white swings and you can't take a stun immunity keystone. Game just feels awful unless you are screen clearing.

I went back to playing poe1 and I could not believe how much faster and responsive that game is from the second you start.

>breaches closing removes the monsters, but it doesn't remove their AoE's
YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME
I DIDN'T GET TO PICK UP THE LOOT NONONONO -ACK

>>507300886
Act 10 I mean. The beast is a toddler compared to everything revealed at the end of PoE1. He already got his ass beat a couple times

>>507296071
not defending poe 2 because it's shit but i would rather not go back to a fucking theme park full of incoherent mechanics cobbled together

Ignaduk deez nuts

what if all the level 17 skill gems you dropped were divs that got replaced because uncut gems share the same pool as currency

>>507301065
The themepark of cobbled mechanics that you could mix your own personal hotpot with is basically the entire reason poe1's mapping is acclaimed

>>507293286
>>507293436
>>507293782
Just play jrpgs if you want your epic melee fights. I heard elden ring 2 will come out, you'll have a blast.

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>>507293942
I think they want you to actively heal them with pots. There aren't any big means to let them regenerate enough health during a fight on the tree right now. At least not that I know of.

>>507301292
>sorc cuck speaks

>>507300538
>Oriana: Yikes, you worked with slavers and the vaal and you think you're the good guy!? Not a good look my man. Whatever it 'is' this isn't it. His name is Sin bro
>Sin: I love evil bro i'm grimdark you wouldn't get it
>Lumerius: Surprise i'm innocence and i'm back again

>>507300414
>The fights feel like shit so they need to make the shit faster
Wrong
This idea you have where people run past everything in souls is wrong too, you've probably spent too much time watching speedrun content creators. Fighting things is fun in souls because the combat and the content it's designed for are well tuned. If fighting things feels like shit in your game then the solution is to change the fighting or to change the things, or both, not to make the shit faster

do we know what will come next, which ascendancies will other classes have?

>>507301369
>I want to make game melee centric and ruin experience for everyone else
Take aoe melee or leave

>>507301292
>jrpgs

>>507301468
>the game will be ruined if melee has fun
didn't ask, cuck

>>507301430
We don't know the ascendancies yet

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There should be character "pieces" in the endgame board map. Like Rogue Exiles you can interact with.

>>507301468
Are you retarded?

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so is most of my atlas supposed to be cut off?

>>507301545
What exactly do you want from melee?

>>507301761
The flat earthers have won

boss fights ain campaign are hard on minion

Bros when does mapping get fun? I'm rolling around like a retard waiting for my grenades to explode.

>>507301804
Let melees attack while moving forward, through packs, displacing the mobs. That's literally it. No instant screen clearing, still using combos. The mobs are already going to swarm and rape you because that's their vision, melees should be able to move during the moshpit

>>507291598
DOG SHIT OF EXILE 1
GOD SHIT OF EXILE 2

what's the actual price for uncut lvl19 skill gems? trade is full of chink bots

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>where the fuck are golems
>where the fuck are spectres
>where the fuck are other cool summons you could have like demons, ghouls, constructs, abominable creatures and what ever else
They shafted us!

>>507301804
nta, hes utterly retarded but all I want is for bosses to not stand in puddles of shit that will shred my hp the second I touch it
Other than that melee feels perfectly fine and will only get better once they add actual fun melee weapons like swords and daggers

Why do i have 2 warriors from my weapon, at level 4 +1 minion skills?

>softcore trade niggers in my /poeg/

>>507302042
Use explosive shot or fast primer on explosive nades

>>507302125
>melee feels fine
>when their design intent is the literal opposite of what's currently happening
lol
lmao
you literally want to be raped in a corner by white mobs permanently, unable to roll, pinned in aoes, every single fight, because they don't want you screen clearing before getting swarmed. cuck

>>507302082
1 ex max? i filter them out because they drop so much

>>507302053
the quarterstaff strikes literally do that

>>507301361
By this logic, the minions should taunt. Monsters always head straight for the player, it's so annoying.

>>507301804
Strength should give your character more mass and prevent from being push around. Faster strike skills, enable move while attacking, improve hit boxes or targeting something is fucked up there. Get rid of these 1sec mandatory wind ups they're shit. Improve baseline atk spd on all weapons by .1-.2 sec

>>507302312
yeah it was 1ex, 18 just started dropping for me so I was just missing a map tier or two