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Suicide Mission Edition

>Latest patch
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/131-hotfix-5-1

>November community update:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/119-november-community-update

>First developer Q&A:
https://community.focus-entmt.com/focus-entertainment/space-marine-2/blogs/84-message-to-the-community-a-first-q-a

>Roadmap:
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2183900/view/4238536974144553830

>Where to get the game:
https://www.focus-entmt.com/en/games/warhammer-40000-space-marine-2

>Lore Stuff:
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

>For jolly cooperation with your battle brothers (Can also post codes for jolly coop/PvP. Edit Squad -> Invite Menu):
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/sm2general
https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt

>Workaround with matchmaking (not finding players, only 2/3):
Back out to the main menu and re-enter battle barge.

>/sm2g/ Dude Wall - Compilation of Dudes
https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g

Previously on the Battle-Barge:>>506674759
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Guess who's not dead, Bitch
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>>507359727
>pic
lethal inferno when a neurothrope spawns in the swamp with no ammo crates around
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>>507360332
The game sure is tho.
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First for throwing my boy Leandros in the Sea of Souls.
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>>507360507
just 2 more weeks until the game is saved
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I am fortifying this thread
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>>507359727
>Mortality:
>Absolute
Guess this solves naming issue once they introduce yet another difficulty.
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>>507360675
Nothing can change the fact that the ops are static and stale. The core gameplay loop is also hampered by retarded design decisions. Unless the game receives a major re-work it's going to quietly die after the bump from this latest sale dies down.
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>>507360864
they promised a perk rework for 6.0
bets on how many tooltips are gonne be wrong?
my money is on 8%
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>>507361069
10% over 5 seconds if you fail 10 ops in quick sucession.
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>>507361184
quick succession?
is that longer or shorter than rapid succession?
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>>507361069
They could make the best perk/talent tree system in the history of video games, and it still won't change the fact that the majority of ops are literal chores to run and runs are only varied by how stupid your squadmates are.
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>>507361408
You'll need to datamine my brain to find out!
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>'Suicide Mission'
>Sending in a guy who's done nothing but the impossible
Titus and Shepard would make for a fantastic duo.
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>>507361674
since you offered.......

REVEAL YOUR SECRETS TO MEEE!
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>>507362004
>Xenos crew
Absolutely not.
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>>507362004
shepard fucks too many xenos for that
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>>507360489
You can just run.
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>>507362595
doors don't close when a boss is too close.
your objective becomes "eliminate threat" and you cant progress
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>>507362004
Clearly it was a perfectly calculated strategy. Two chumps to eat any surprise threats, the sergeant as titus's backup, and titus to make the mission a success beyond calgar's wildest dreams.
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>>507362329
Just make him a rogue trader
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>just found out running attacks deal half damage
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The shitty extremis grabs are some of the dumbest things. Zero recourse on lethal.
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>>507366918
Anon... your dodge button...
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>>507367631
Just make it a single attack then.
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>>507367936
The grabs already are single attacks though
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>>507362004
I'm convinced Leandros lied about the details to Calgar. The man is going to end up turning to Chaos himself because he's the Frank Grimes to Titus' Homer.
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>>507366918
>>507367631
>>507367936
>>507368703
are you talking about when a ravener wraps his prehensile penis around you? or when they do fast attack combos?
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>>507368989
By "extremis grabs" I assume he means the lictor and ravener attacks that are referred to as grab attacks by the game.
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>>507368703
No. The point is you can avoid max damage if you click fast enough but that's impossible on lethal.
So just make it a single attack and be done with it so I can at least try and get some contested health back
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>>507370041
You can dodge those attacks and never have to deal the button mashing.
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>when my battle bro is in trouble and i set him up with an execute
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this shit has too many loading screens to get anything done.
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>>507370346
>just dodge bro!
Don't care about your git gud arguments. It's a shit mechanic, remove it and just give me the damage and let me move on.
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>>507371761
NTA, but you're some special kind of stupid if you get consistently hit by grab attacks.
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>>507371761
mashing is the difference between recieving alot of damage and just dying from the grab attack, it also gives your teamates a window to free you.
game has alot of issues but this isn't one of them, if getting told to git gud makes you so upset then just dial down the difficulty.
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>>507371970
It doesn't matter how many times it happens. A single time of sitting there knowing my health's about to go to the shit with no recourse is enough.
Remove it.
>>507372132
Nah. You're wrong. I've sat there at zero health and lived. As long as you get the final parry press off you never die. It's just a shitty gotcha like the zoan beam and the mines.
All shit to be removed if the devs knew any better.
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>>507362004
>>507368709
Leandros should've been put down right at the end of SM1 or off screen, for going outside the chain of command. The man is petty at best and I don't think whether this was writer's intention or someone doesn't know the difference between a counterweight to the main character and a nuisance. Unless this is all some 10D chess by the Big E (where Titus might, sadly, get the short end of the stick), who knows.
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>>507372551
Leandros 100% lied his ass off when he realized how bad he fucked up, which is why he faced no consequences despite Calgar being Angron level pissed off about Titus being taken by the Inquisition.
I don't think he's supposed to be anything other than an example of hubris. He sees Chaos everywhere and in the 40k universe that means he's the first one to fall. Space Marine 3 will probably involve his crimes coming to light and him falling to Slaanesh in his desperate bid to prove he's pure and Titus isn't.
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>>507373648
>He sees Chaos everywhere and in the 40k universe that means he's the first one to fall.
Quite the opposite. Reminder that SM2's story prominently features a mindset of "blindly mistrust everything because it has a chance of being daemons" and culminates in that mistrust being proven correct. In 40k, Leandros' attitude is both an effective shield and highly valued (in the role that he's in).
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>>507373648
Imagine being the Inquisition, and having the balls to stonewall Calgar while he spams your email for over 200 years.
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>>507376482
Standard =I= fare tbqhfamalam. They think they're above everyone and constantly pull shit like that, as does every other Imperial faction.
>mechanicus using the chaos macguffin
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Not trying to shit on the thread, but is there really enough content in this game to warrant it's own general? I played the first one, but haven't played the second one yet.
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>>507375701
This doesn't stop Leandros from being a bitch ass nigger for going straight to the inquisition
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>>507372460
Your recourse was not getting caught stop being a shitter and blaming the game
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>>507377395
Game gets updated with new stuff basically every month or so
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>>507377395
it warranted it's general when the player count was over 200K and there was constant discussion and hosting.
now the game is fastly drying out and so is the general.
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>>507378728
>Game gets updated with new stuff basically every month or so
On a scale of content being added 1-10, 1 being minecraft and 10 being fortnite (not talking about quality, just talking about amount of content consistently being added), what level is this game?
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>>507379082
patch 5.0 was a considered a "big" update and all it was one extra mission, one new enemy type, balance fixes that didn't fix the balance, and a bunch of cosmetics.
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>>507379248
It's over....
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>>507379248
to be fair the mission is fun.
i like the cum chalice.
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>>507377395
activity is slowing down and updates are slow and scarce and those things are probably related to each other.
but honestly, if you're considering getting it and like 40K i'd still say go for it.
it's still a good game, even the singleplayer campaign is worth it if you like Titus. it's just the multiplayer part is mismanaged.
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>>507378764
if you've been playing since release in ANY capacity at all you're basically out of things to do
I have like 4 weapons that aren't leveled to relic with all mastery points bought
I have every single purchasable and earnable cosmetic
8 operations get fucking stale hard, especially when most people are just horrendous trash and can't be depended on
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battle bros, how do i pick between more bullets vs more dmg? its got to be a simple autism formula
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>>507382618
i just play on Astartes mod. it increased its lifespan substantially for me. i don't think i can even go back to vanilla.
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>>507382980
Do you find yourself running out of boolets too quickly?
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>>507382980
Depends. every weapon is different, and it's different for every class.
sniper and vanguard can use the same weapon but sniper will pick more ammo while vanguard will pick more damage because if it his damage output is from both melee and ranged.
it'd be more helpful
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>>507383878
it'd be more helpful if you listed your class and weapon*
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Is he retarded?
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>>507389243
yea
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>>507389243
He can’t count.
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Finally did it.
Hive Tyrant Solo Lethal with Sniper.
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>>507393326
always cool to see
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Niggers.
you wanna play with your boyfriend set the game to private.
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i play sniper, i click heads, simple as
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>not playing sniper to shank Nidders
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>>507389243
>Stalker bolt rifle
>Phobos user
>Sniper
He's KWAB
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>>507389243
is this a named character or just a random sniper
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>>507407496
acheran, captain of the 2nd company of ultramarines
or just "captain in phobos armor"
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>>507398169
So what? At least they kicked you early and not in-game or when the mission is about to be finished.
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>>507389243
captain ACK-aran
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>>507360507
I'm getting matches within 30 seconds in both pvp and operations at all times of day
pretty far from dead if you ask me, though it could be better
just wait for the christmas noobs
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>>507382618
I love joining level 1s on minimum difficulty with a relic heavy bolter and stealing every single one of their kills
I just melted a neuranthrope in 5 seconds
It makes you feel like an actual space marine firing a real bolter

I would love a hoarde mode where you face over a thousand low-hp nidders at once but they all get one-shotted by bolters.
spamming parries and executions just feels scripted and cringe
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>>507417558
curious how all those >dead game >dead general types still hang out in the thread
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finally started playing Assault
this class doesnt do melee or mobility better than other classes :/
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>be assault
>don't get the best melee weapons
>don't get the best mobility ability
>don't get the best damage ability
>don't get good ability recovery perks
>don't get good armor recovery perks
>you are the worst at crowd clearing
>you are the worst at burst mele damage
>you are the worst at single target melee dps

why play this dogshit class?
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>>507420450
it's fun
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>>507420450
So how much does the gun strike perk actually help? Say you're running a squad that'll rely heavily on gun strikes for damage, how good does that perk become?
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>>507420808
the game isn't supposed to be fun
you're supposed to solo lethal, with extermination rank A in under 30 minutes
ASSAULT CAN'T DO IT!
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>>507421042
realy depends on how you play it
if its one of those "fencing only" types its a flat 50% damage increase
for everyone else its like one gunstrike less before the enemy goes into finisher range

the only reason it's default is because assault doesnt realy have another somewhat appealing option, 10% ability CD is neat, but half the classes, including assault, dont really care
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>>507421601
10% flat cooldown reduction just gets mogged by the equivalent perks for sniper and especially vanguard
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>>507421741
sniper doubly so, that cracker can dome 3 gaunts and he goes from 0 charge to full
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>>507421821
It's extremely good for him, but I think vanguard generally gives more to most of the other classes because finisher kills are more common.
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>>507421882
yeah, i was once playing bulwark with a inner fire vanguard and a finisher conscious heavy
i swear i could fullheal thrice per minute
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>>507407496
It’s Captain Acheran from the game. He had a model before he finally got named.
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>>507417917
Go into minimal Decapitation with just bots. Don't press the button to detonate the bridge. You'll get a pseudo horde mode as nids will not stop coming.
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>boot up
>tact with GL
>all i do is launch a lobby into random ops
>sabotage and jew my teammates
>kill myself when it means we loose
>tanking GL's pick/win rate
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>>507418594
>curious how all those >dead game >dead general types still hang out in the thread
People love to doompost and throw around empty buzzwords when in reality the game has its playerbase. There are dead games around but SM2 definitely isn't one of them. I get pretty fast matchmaking on all difficulties, no waiting ad infinitum. Can't attest to PvP since I don't play it but this mode isn't the biggest draw anyway, in my opinion.
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>>507398169
It was your fault for picking Assault and/or being underleveled, or are you one of those niggers who won't just nut up and change your class when there's a conflict?
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>>507430693
thats a max level pc sniper
try again
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>>507428530
Imagine being this butthurt that a class has a build that works well.

Post your hands, I need to confirm something.
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>>507429473
>>507418594
the fact you two are so defensive about it seems to indicate there's some truth there.
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>>507431059
you assume i hate the GL
you will be the first to cry when its nerfs are revealed
i will be elated, for i have done my part in skewing the metrics so it would not come worse
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>>507359727
//// INCOMING TRANSMISSION ////
>Imperial Administratum has granted access to records of all Astartes operating in Decidious System,CODENAME: ADEPTUS RETARDES
>Dude Wall status: ACTIVE.
>All Astartes present in Decidious System accounted for.
>All First Founding Chapters accounted for.
>All Astartes are to upload a FULL SCREENSHOT of their Dude and post their CHAPTER.

Hail, Brothers! This update took a bit longer, but the Dude Wall is finally ready to be released in its latest version.
- All submissions have been added to both versions of the Wall;
- The website and pic related versions have seen a more festive redesign, however the HQ image has been left in its original design;
- A new faction from Holy Terra has appeared on our Wall - Adeptus Custodes and going forward it alongside Deathwatch and Grey Knights will be placed together in the 'Inquisition & Holy Terra' section (name subject to change);
- New frames have been added to Raven Guard and its Successors, Knights Tenacious (Hombrew), and Grey Knights' frames have been updated;
- Missing name banners have been added with the exception of Dark Angel #9, which will be remedied within a day;

The Dude Wall is always open for more submissions, so in case you have any, be sure to post them, Brothers!

The Administratum wishes all Astartes a most righteous and Merry Christmas, but remember - stay vigilant.

Signing off,
DudeWall Anon

=IMPORTANT=
>**High quality version of the Dude Wall is already available on the website**
>**For more comprehensive info on submissions please refer to: https://rentry.org/dudewallsm2g **

Glory to the Imperium!

//// END TRANSMISSION ////>
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>>507432838
Merry Sanguinala, wallanon
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Happy Sanguinala Brothers.
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Merry Sanguinala!
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>>507432838
Merry Sanguinala to you Brother and all of you Brothers!
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>>507432838
ever wonder which of those dudes have been permamently shelved, never to kill a nidder again?
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>>507432838
Awesome work as always, Brother WallAnon! All the best!
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>>507440831
Right now my Salamander is elsewhere since I'm running an all dark angels risen squad. But he's still myguy
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>>507440831
Still rocking my Grey Knight. I also got a Deathwatch Dude on the Wall who's still seeing lots of action.
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>>507389243
>phobos

kind of an odd choice for a battalion captain
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>>507446679
Captains are basically allowed to have their pick from the armoury. If he prefers fighting in phobos armour, he can have it. The extra flexibility of movement and stealth capabilities might be preferable for him over the extra bit of protection.
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>>507440831
>ever wonder which of those dudes have been permanently shelved,
My Marine Malevolent begs to differ.
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>>507432838
Good, Brother!
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happy sanguinala
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBVxcGxRv_I
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Merry Sanguinala and Merry Christmas to all!
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ded gaem
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I only join in-progress games now. I completely refuse to go to your battle barge. Don't have to go through two loading screens, don't have to deal with class conflicts, don't have to deal with people sitting at the terminal or going AFK. The entire battle barge system is awful and shouldn't be in the game, we do not do anything on those ships that can't be done in a menu.
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>>507473909
you can blast each other in the training cubby
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>>507473909
That gives people a better chance to have a closer look at other Dudes who may be using some of the DLCs cosmetics, thus potentially pushing those without them to buy them. Same story with gacha games or modern aRPGs.
>>507467137
Happy Sanguinala!
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>>507473909
If devs understood how to make places like the battle barge or mourningstar a proper social thing people wouldn't mind the loading screens so much. unfortunately it's just an excuse to mire cosmetics in function.
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>>507360752
Yes.
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>>507487330
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>>507432838
This is my Phantom Link Veteran. Please put him on the Wall at your convenience Brother.
Oh and Merry Sanguinala!
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i think they made the mk8 helmet offmodel on purpose to convince people primaris is better and get them to buy the plastic.
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>>507495043
I’m not buying plastic at the price of silver.
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I want updates every week not every month
what's even the point of making a live service when you won't even keep it the service alive
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>>507498109
Be patient god damn
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>>507502236
Eat shit and die you fag enabler.
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merry xmass
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>>507513362
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>>507527218
Santa Claus gives relics, not steals them
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>>507527218
Santa Marines
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Merrb sengilabla benis :DDDDDDD
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i hate this faggot in boltgun
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>>507535021
You're a faggot for using wojak memes.
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>>507535270
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>>507389243
He's inexperienced, like most of the Awoken
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>>507431059
thats not a well working build, its fucking busted.
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>>507538980
he has 2 service studs, he's also a firstborn
younger than chaplain leandros even
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>>507432838
Brother WallAnon, I'm updating my Phantom Link Dude #1 - Brother Aeden.
He's been recently promoted to the rank of Captain by Lord Commander Baneathar himself. Brother Aeden proved himself countless times on the battlefield and beyond but that which solidified Lord Commander's decision was Aeden's key role in successful carrying out of a covert mission on Vante to INFORMATION REDACTED, DATA UNAVAILABLE which allowed INFORMATION REDACTED, DATA UNAVAILABLE of the Imperium.
(Once/If they put a Mk8 helmet with laurels on I will change it. For now primaris helmet will have to do.)
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>>507559634
>everytime
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>>507560114
Yeah. It sucks.
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>>507560114
All we have confirmed for the White Scars cosmetics is a helmet.
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>>507561578
True. These are just confirmed cosmetics, there may be more considering each chapter gets minimum of 3 pieces.
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>>507494797
>>507546969
Received.
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>>507565972
Probably some squad and company markings for the legs as a part of the heraldry unlocks too, just like how the Dark Angels DLC brought their unique campaign badges.
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>>507569161
I think the company leg markings would end up working as patterns on the leg, like the fire effect from the DA pack, not as kneepad badges. That'd be a lot of right leg patterns.
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>>507572157
Yeah, that’s what I meant. Sorry if I didn’t clarify.
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Were you nice this year Brother?
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>>507572540
Yes.
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I think Lothern Blue is a better shade of blue for 9th Company than Macragge Blue.
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>>507572540
Of courshe!
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>>507574508
the elites don't want you to know, but you can use any use color combinationt you find aestetically pleasing I have a dark angel with a warpstone green pauldron trim also the the colors in game often have nothing to do with what the paints they are called after look like
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>>507578141
My autism is too strong to allow myself to do that.
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>>507578141
>use any use color combinationt
brothers pray for me to the emprah I might be havin a stroke
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>>507580589
smitten for heresy
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aren't we forgetting someone?
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>>507588704
No
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>>507371970
Sometimes the sound cue gets smothered by other stuff happening (it can and will overlap with similar sound cue from random hormagaunt pounce) and the visual marker doesnt show half the time anyway. It is wildly inconsistent and would be ok if it would fucking work as advertised but it doesnt and that sucks on a difficulty where one slip can mean death
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>>507593823
Trapper audio cues will also sometimes just not play at all.
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>>507593937
Oh wait wrong general. Forgot that 40k games have a running theme of shitty audio
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>>507572540
I have been killing xenos and chaos spawn diligently, Dear Ultra Santa. Can you get us Horde mode early?
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>no achievement for beating the game on angel of death.

I feel cheated. Time for the Co op I guess.
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Let's blast some jolly noise in this thread!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TiqiOexD-8
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>>507572540
Where are your reindeers oh Santa?
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>>507602558
Get 41k kills for the top achievement, although the tagging one is much more of a slog by comparison. Still, co-op ain't so bad.
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>>507607025
I'm missing two on the tag one. I've been trying to tag as many different enemies as possible but I can't figure out which two are missing.
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>>507607397
Bosses?
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>>507565972
Where's the Iron Hands cosmetic pack???
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>>507613413
What cosmetics do they need? We already have bionics for different limbs and a couple Medusan clan emblems. And if you’re about to tell me you care about the Red Talons or Sons of Medusa, fuck you no you don’t.
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>>507615093
you mean the one limb.....its all right arms
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>>507610154
I've definitely tagged all the extremis, enemies, all different terminus encounters, the hive tyrant, and the heldrake. The hierophant doesn't seem tagable.
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>>507615360
story bosses, mostly dollarstore ahriman
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>>507615163
Feel like there’s a leg in there somewhere but I ain’t checking. Good enough, anyway. Of all the “literally who’s” in line for customisation, Hands are the only ones who don’t have anything cool going on, visually.
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>>507615419
Hmm, maybe I missed him. Is there some other boss or enemy that doesn't show up in the PvE missions?
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>>507616503
The giant bird?
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>>507615093
We have exactly 1 augmetic and it's the wrong arm. Just look at the artwork for Iron Hands. Where are the legs? Where are the helmets? Where are the cog wheels? They half assed the armor. Not all chapter like putting that gaudy shit on. Why can't I color my weapons to be chapter accurate?
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>>507615738
It’s literally all just the right arm. The exact same model too. And the Iron Hands can get a bunch of the company symbols for the pauldrons, as well as other cybernetic enhancements as cosmetics, and some squad and role markings for the knees. Maybe a weapon can get bundled in as well.
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>>507615738
>Cyborg Space Marines aren't cool
Go play with jingle keys and megablocks.
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>>507616503
he has 2 versions i think, the one in the astropathic temple, and the final boss
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>>507617125
Ideally, they’d release the Grav Canon for free along side it, but that’s just wishful thinking. Maybe the Thunder Hammer could get a Forgebreaker skin too.
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>>507617992
Are grav-weapons even a thing anymore? I cannot remember a primaris unit using them. If there isn't one of those, I wouldn't bet on such a weapon being added.
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>>507382980
Sorry lads, ive been busy on making the damage calculator. I havent worked on it since the last update (ie no class perks), but if youre curious here is a very rudimentary calculator. Make a copy of it and use the drop down list.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19UPqugjDD-WvIHEoVfCs24unVJYEt4FKD3uEeoGZXWU/edit?usp=drivesdk

In my experience, ammo tends to be a of massive help in most cases. Accuracy comes in second, and damage tend to be the last factor. Obviously youre free to use any of the three variants, but for many weapons the ammo discrepancy is too great for the non ammo variants vs the ammo ones. In fact, i hope they rework the perks such that reserve ammo is completely tied to rarity whereas the magsize is to the variant.
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>>507615360
I accidentally got this one recently. It was a hormagaunt, out of everything possible lol. I knew i was one short but it never bothered me not getting chievos.
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What’s the worst Chapter?
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>>507629931
Your favorite one
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>>507630537
No u
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>>507629931
Its a tie between salamanders and imperial fists.
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>>507629931
Black larplars
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>no Christmas update that's just horde mode early like everyone been asking
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I did this with an Artificer Auto Bolt Rifle. Why do people shit on this thing again?
>Inb4 GL
Fuck that shit, it's game breaking. Also, why are console players like 9/10 times brain dead?
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>>507641362
If you're good at the game you can make it work
Doesn't change the fact that the bolter and heavy bolter are better in every situation

speaking of which, I think the bolter and heavy bolter should be swapped in performance
>small bolter
>low rate of fire, high damage, high accuracy

>big bolter
>high rate of fire, low damage, low accuracy

how does that make sense?
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>>507641362
>Why do people shit on this thing again?
>dies twice (really 4 times)
There's your answer
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>>507641362
Any of the bolters can be used if you're competent, but GL is broken on a fundamental level, HBR is better at crowd control (more ammo and an extra tick of pierce), and Stalker is somewhat useful at high tier (Reloaded Restoration)
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>>507644157
>ABR
+lower hipfire spread, high RPM
-gets burned by its lack of perks and questionable niche
>Bolt Rifle
+perfectly average, >>>>GL
-you look like a tryhard for using GL, you look like a retard for not using GL
>HBR
+most stats sligtly above average, big mag, good pen
-bad/nonexistand headshot multiplier, slightly lower per-shot damage
>Stalker
+high damage, high HS multiplier, good RoF
-why don't you just play any other sniper rifle, it's less hassle
>Carbine
+very high DPS
-damage falls off a cliff
-Marksman Variant is semi-auto and does not scope
>Instigator
+very fast burst, scoped, perfect accuracy
-low per-shot damage, (high) burst delay
>Oculus
+high RoF, scope with 80% spread reduction
-dogshit damage and pen
>Bolt Sniper Rifle
+click heads, drop dudes
-there's way too many dudes
>Heavy Bolter
+great RoF, no mag limitation, very goot stats in almost everything else
-requires heavy use of Heavy Stance(aiming), merely average per-shot damage
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>>507641362
The auto bolt rifle suffers from having no particular strength. If you want, the smg carbine is better (by a lot) up close. If you want sustained fire, youd take the HBR. Bolt rifle on its own has good range/damage and of course has the GL as an option.

What the abr then offers is an extreme ease of use. It has very good hip fire accuracy that rewards push-forward style, and unlike the smg it can actually be used at medium range due to better damage drop off and accuracy. It has a decently fast fire rate unlike the bolt rifle meaning it can be used to push a horde back, despite its inferior penetration stat.

The problem i think is that no matter how its built (and i use that term loosely) its only ever going to do just that. Its a weapon that truly is just a gun of all time. Its serviceable, but will never excel at anything it does.
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>>507656291
i dunno man, comparing the Ammo ABR vs the Acc HBR is a clear win for HBR
ammo is the same, accuracy is like 97% the same, dps is simmilar, ABR has 17% more reserve ammo, but HBR has 30% better damage per shot, HBR has more pen

and all that before looking at perks
(HBR has more perk points)
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can't wait for horde mode to release, i play it for 2 hours and then get bored of it and uninstall this mid game
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>>507661893
2 weeks
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>>507661893
If the horde mode is anything like exterminatus form SM1 then I'm gonna clock in a hundred extra hours at least.
>>507667517
Any changes in the release schedule? I thought horde's going to be released until after Raven Guard Season. Well, they do mention that dates are subject to change....
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>>507672964
>Any changes in the release schedule?
yeah, you must have missed the message on discord. people were talking about it a thread or two ago. basically, they will be postponing raven guards and releasing the horde mode in january instead
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>>507674267
Sounds like realistically we're getting an extra rushed mode in about 6 weeks, not 2.
Which is honestly fine by me, I'll deal with the frustrations of an unfinished mode alright. Could backfire for the mode's longevity though.
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>>507674267
You're selling him disinfo bro. Sure people talked about 'wanting' to have horde mode early, but there wasn't nor isn't any info on the discord about it. I know I went through it a moment ago, no annoucements, no bigger post about early launch for horde mode. Just people talking about it, that's all.
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>>507677060
nah, pretty sure it's due in 2 weeks. stop being a doomer.
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>>507677393
I'd rather prepare for the worst and get a nice surprise
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>>507679004
well, prepare for falling for a shitpost, buddy
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>>507674267
>you must have missed the message on discord
You need receipts to back that kind of news anon otherwise its mid tier shitpost.
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>>507677393
>stop being a doomer.
Man, I'm anything but . I'd want nothing more than to have horde mode already, but why is it that there's no mention of it anywhere (their discord included). It's either >>507679493 or you're pulling everybody's legs.
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>>507679317
I'm not your buddy, pal.
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>>507681075
not your pal, battle-brother
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Just played my first couple of matches in the pvp. Do assault marines just suck? or do i suck?
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>>507692741
Bump, please respond
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>>507692741
Assaults rely on double-tapping people with jetpack dives, and hovering to strike from unexpected angles and/or inaccessible areas where they are very hard to see. They hard-counter bulwarks which can be a pain to deal with otherwise

They are also very effective against groups of enemies in tight spaces, you can bombard people with grenades from the sky before dropping for extra carnage. Just avoid going into a fight with less than 2 jetpack charges because those are your ticket to safety if things go wrong
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>>507699562
Thanks, i think I'll stick with the assault marine.
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Can we get whore mode instead and just get a game mode where we fuck eldar sluts?
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What's the deal with all the talk about horde mode getting pushed early in the pipeline? There's no straight answer and going by the thread:
>>507674267
>>507675937
>>507677060
>>507677393
the release date seems to be all over the place. I know it says on the battle pass >>507672964 S4, but has there really been any news regarding extra content added to S3?
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>>507700838
/aco/ is like 18 boards over mate
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>>507705692
the guy's saying it's 2 weeks are memeing
other than that, season 2 was 3 months, so it can be deducted that season 4's content will begin april at the earliest
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>>507705692
is any content for 6.0 confirmed yet?
i know they were talking about perk reworks, the prestige system and the laboratory cock-up
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>try assault in pve operations
Why does this class even exists? You literally cannot do anything better than all the other classes.
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>>507705692
sometimes I wonder if posts on 4chan are ai-generated just to stir up discussion or kids these days really have attention span of a goldfish.
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black or white lens for the Unpainted chapter?
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are there bros that play with block?
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>>507718975
i dabble
but its not my main way to play melee
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>>507717742
white
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>have to play by myself because match making keeps placing me with other tact marines
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>>507718975
Pretty much exclusively currently. I'll do it on sniper, vanguard, and tactical all the way, heavy has no choice, I've yet to go back to assault, and I don't get to play bulwark much atm because all of my friends like that class the most.
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>>507724745
it's fun on assault, stacks affect your ability
so, you get 1-2 stacks and with some apropriate perks you're one-shotting majoris
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>>507723659
>imagine being a class
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>>507725965
serf spotted
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>>507723659
So play any of the other classes available?
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>>507725753
>it's fun on assault, stacks affect your ability
because you die so often?
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>>507729657
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>>507729219
you don't understand, he's already tracer
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the grenade launcher can be fixed with:
1.) Dealing damage to the user when in the blas radius
2.) lowering the ammo capacity

Without nerfing its damage into the ground
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>>507733810
this is bait but i guess i'll butt in

>pic related only restores 15% of GL ammo
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>>507629931
every one that ends with Templars
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>>507734282
what if it isnt bait? huh? what if thats my genuine unfiltered dogshit opinion? huh?
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>>507733810
>>507734282
the easiest fix is to have this talent restore % based total ammo. easy as fuck to impliment, buffs all bolters, nerfs GL, everything gets equalized.

i´ve been repeating this since launch
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>>507661583
For me i still think their use case is different (supposedly). If you check the datamined info youll see that the abr has better hipfire accuracy across the board, but worse aimed accuracy (by a smidge) and recoil (by quite a bit). Dps is remarkably almost identical, hence we know the breakpoint for the abr is abysmal compared to the hbr (for a while it couldnt even reliably 1 tap termagaunts) since the hbr has 350 rpm vs abrs 450 rpm. This also meant that the ammo thing is not at all a good comparison for abr because when it comes to shooting bigger enemies each bullet from the hbr is worth that much more compared to the abr (about 30% more for the base damage).

I really hate this kind of balance where you need high accuracy for a weapon with really unfavourable breakpoint. Its giving me drg gk2 flashback.
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>>507718975
Exclusively now. Went back to balance and boy it took some getting used to.
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dead game
Helldivers 2 won
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>>507737183
you're in the wrong general then
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>>507565972
Looks like we'll be having a crapton of succesors by the time Space Wolves come howling.

>Season 3: Raven Guard
Salamanders Sniper Champion skin
Heretic bolter, ABR, HBR and Thunderhammer skins
Beakie with Raven Guard symbol
Raven Guard Las Fusil and Bolt sniper rifle skin
Pristine Mk8
>Season 4: Salamanders
placeholder data for Multimelta, Melta Rifle
placeholder data for Pyreblaster
Battle Barge expansion (?)
Horde mode (?)
>Season 5: Space Wolves
Space Wolves Tactical Champion skin
placeholder data for power axe
placeholder data for lightning claws
two block models of unfinished wolf helmets
Deathwatch skin
Horde mode
>Season 6: Chaos Pack
placeholder names of all traitor legions
Pauldron symbols
placeholder for HH liveries including pre-Primarch legion names
placeholder helmet models
>Season 7: Imperial Fists
names of a ton of successor Chapters listed
names of a ton of Citadel Paints listed
>Season 8: White Scars
no datamined stuff
>Season 9: Blood Angels
no datamined stuff

Somebody posted it last time so here's some extra bit of flavor of Salamanders' champion render with a bugged in game rendition:
https://i.4cdn.org/vg/1734094630746959.webm (embed)
https://i.4cdn.org/vg/1734277240820135.webm (embed)
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>>507737693
>by the time Space Wolves come howling
White Scars is what I meant. Emperor forgive me.
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>>507737693
>Salamanders in season 4
>Have their Champion skin released with RG Season 3 update
I want whatever they're smoking. This makes very little sense.
On the other hand people talking loud enough about 'clean' mk8 armor made them actually put it there. I also hate how they don't let us use campaign assets for armor pieces (i.e. deathwatch, some of the ultrasmurfs bling etc.) for co-op. Can't imagine it's GW breathing down their necks being the reason behind it.
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>>507737693
Hoping for Dark Krakens for Salamander Successors.
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>>507737693
What's the point of 'chaos pack' if we aren't getting any chaos operations? Glorified cosmetics pack? Unless those helmets are actually neato, but there's no certainty they will be. Also, CSMs shouting 'For Ultramar!' isn't exactly game breaking to me but it is leaving slight scratches on the surface of the lore. To add a bit of positivity here I like how /fa/ Salamanders Sniper in that webm looks like.
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>>507739812
>What's the point of 'chaos pack' if we aren't getting any chaos operations?
Plot twist: they'll make us grind PvP for those because that's where CSM are :)
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>>507737693
>no blood ravens
>in the year of our lord 2000 + 24
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>>507737693
>placeholder data for power axe & lightning claws
I don't want to hold my breath but man wouldn't that be cool.
>>507738967
Why would they even make salamanders skin for a sniper tho? They have scouts sure, but they're not what comes to mind when you think salamanders.
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>>507742025
The Salamanders have a cape called the Salamanders’ Mantle, which is only given to true heroes amongst the Chapter. My guess is that they made the Sniper a Salamander because of his cape,
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>>507742025
because vanguard and snipe are the only ones you'd expect to not have a helmet, and they needed to make sure you saw he was black as pitch
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>>507737693
Not too bad. I wonder if seasons 8 and 9 weren't datamined because they have no outline what to make for those chapters or the info simply wasn't put in files by the devs... Probably the latter, but with all this leaked it just boggles the mind.
>>507741828
Last Dawn of War was 7 years ago Brother. GW are distancing themselves from magpies.
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>>507737693
well, with the next season bringing in skins for ABR and HBR there may be a glimmer of hope that they will get reworked/buffed to compete with GL. Instead of nerfing shit they should be buffing alternatives to compensate. and there's also:
>Beakie with Raven Guard symbol
For crying out loud, can't they just release models without adding decals on them. At least give us non-meddled with options.
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>>507361479
Only thing that really chaps my ass especially lately is how the spore mines will just fuck you up the ass with their tracking and chasing and damage. Whoever said "put those in the game" needs a spore mine up his ass.
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>>507737693
>Waiting with horde mode until season 4
I refuse to believe someone made conscious decision to put it this far. Their release slate had to have been written by an AI. Why would anyone think that a mode like that should be released any time later than S2?
C'mon Saber, quit stalling and put it into the game already.
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>>507744163
Stop being impatient.
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>>507744163
I will accept a delayed horde mode only if it includes things like dreadnaught mode, placeable guardsmen emplacements, and a slew of new free armor cosmetics to earn with a new set of levels
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>>507745556
New armor is coming in the research center update
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with nidders seems like the only thing that can kill you is running into spore mines. but chaos will widdle you down
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>>507755527
Disc faggots are fucking cancer,
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>when shit hits the fan and all the space marine have to roll around dark souls style
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>>507758889
yes, i figured out you can click on their head with a sniper rifle to put them in execute
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>>507758889
>>507765367
they seem to be pretty vulnerable to melee.
i can waste several bolter rounds just to kill one but one chainsaw combo does the job just fine.

The trick is to really lock in with one of them and try to get the parry off even though it's harder to parry than most, then you get a gunstrike and stun them enough to get up close and melee them.
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>>507765367
Theyre incredibly weak against range damage in general but their mobility more than makes up for that. They also do a ton of damage for some reason. Hate these pricks
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>>507765103
Honestly this is such a noob behavior. I see this all the time in pub but these morons always inevitably kark it after all that rolling. Just fight nigga you can get armour back
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>Secret level episode comes out
>Hyped up episode by a well known animation studio with 100s of employees and a decent budget in 2024
>Inferior to an animation a fan made for free on his free time from 5 years ago
https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A
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>>507629931
Surprised no one said spacewolves.
Spacewolves. Hate them.
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>>507743504
>get the ding of an incoming attack
>reflexively dodge
>spore mine comes flying in and hits right after the dodge
FUCK SPORE MINES
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>>507737183
It was never a competition between them, Mr. Redditor.
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>>507741828
Good.
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>>507742678
>>507772949
Turn back from this path.
You know who you owe your success to, and it's not the men buying your plastic.
Kiss the ring.
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>>507773121
Kneel, boy. We've been carrying this entire setting on our backs for decades.
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>>507773348
More like being used as its walking chair.
Move aside for the new blood, old man.
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>>507765590
Can you not lock them down with the kick or shoulder bash spam?
Haven't played the new mission yet because I fell down a modded diablo 1 rabbit hole
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>>507773795
>Ultras are literally the front and center star of the biggest 40k game to date.
>Blood shitters haven't been seen since the disastrous dow 3.

Its over, my fellow battle brother.
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>>507774498
40k would still be a game known only to sweaty assburger dumbfucks if it wasn't for dawn of war
show some respect to the chapter that brought you here
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>mfw a lesser chapter begs for my attention and approval.

Pathetic
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>default dan calling other people "lesser chapters"
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>ultramarine game! it's an ultramarine game! ultramarines run this shit!
>literally everyone customizes their marines to not be ultramarines immediately
lmao GW shouldn't even sell gray plastic, just sell every set as an ultramarine set and let people paint over the top
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Reminder that the Ultramarines are the symbolic heart and soul of the setting. If you don't like the Ultramarines then you're just an ignorant secondary who doesn't understand 40k.
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>secondary
it's like saying "you only liked rock and roll after it was done by white people instead of blacks"
yes, obviously, retard
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Ultrasmurf fanboys truly are the faggiest. Imagine calling people secondaries for not giving a flying fuck about the most boring chapter of marines. Any true primary knows the real posterboys of 40k.
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>>507773121
>>507773795
They're an OC chapter

Games Workshop wanted to replace them by Winter's Assault with Ultramarines
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>>507778720
You are a little faggot, secondary and no one gives a shit about the retarded crimson fists who lost half their chapter to a missile malfunction lmao. Pic related, I actually own a copy of rogue trader. You don't? Then you're a secondary. Simple as.
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>>507779529
>no timestamp
No need to lie, tertiary.
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>>507769289
you know he made both of these right?
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Bump, for the glory of Ultramar!
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What does the Emperor think of transfolk
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>>507779529
>flexing about having a book that gets reprinted every four years or so
fucking pathetic.
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>>507793787
I have more you little fag. Including an original release of hero quest.
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wow, fucking nothing
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>>507797754
Post code, play random Ruthless
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>>507797754
Ah yes more gifts...
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>>507797754
>play four times yesterday
fuck
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>>507797827

NAMPX
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>>507798038
Cooming
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>>507798038

2/3
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>>507798038
full
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That secondary sure got real quiet.
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>>507774283
They often levitate well above melee range, during which they rely more on ranged attacks.
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>>507797754
Hey im down for that honestly. Actually why dont they do this more often
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ggs fellas sorry something came up for me over at home, i know you guys can handle it without me. fun games.
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>>507798426

SNBV6
2/3
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>>507804841
Currently running an op, but if you have a code in 20-30 minutes then I'm down for 1-2 games.
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>>507770494
Shut up, Magnus.
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>>507804978
probably just gonna start a duo top of the hour
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>>507804978
I might actually be down for an op too in about the same time, Brother.
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>>507797754
It’s something.
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>>507797754
I’d appreciate more community events like this.
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>>507804841

GGDAS
2/3
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>>507807616
whelp, dissolved

and just a reminder, noone is posting codes, because noone wants to wait 30+mins for a group to get together

anyways, post codes, you groxsniffers
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>>507808816
Sorry m8 got to leave, will be back in a couple of hours.
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>>507808880
no worries, already done more than 80% of the thread

though i'll be gone in an hour, 5th sanguinala dinner in a row
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>>507797754
>no mechanics on how to claim it
>will probably fuck up somewhere
Play 15 times to be sure
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>>507808816
My bad bro, lost track of time. I'm on now if anyone's up for ruthless chill gaming: CDBSQ
>>507809197
Supposedly you can look it up on PROS account. But don't quote me on that, just something I read.
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>>507808816
Asia hours are dead hours

Wait for Yuro primetime and when burgers wake up
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>>507809496
It doesn't track progress but it's there alright.
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>>507809496
CDBSQ
2/3
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we're killing each other in the barge if you're into that.
CDBSQ
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>>507809610
it is yuro primetime, 15:30 on a holiday
event started at 12:00
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jan 20th seems like an odd date
off to 4 weeks by like 4 days
bet they meant to launch it on the 23rd but noone was willing to come in the office 'till today

also hordmode confirmed for 1.21.26
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>>507812761
Is dis true?
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alright we're back 2/3
gonna play one or two more games if anyone still wants to join
code: JFF45
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>>507813836
full
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>Titus’ Deathwatch team gave their lives for a virus bomb that only helped for a day and a half
Depressing.
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>>507814781
>Depressing
Anon you know what setting this is, right?
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>>507797754
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT
could've dropped that one 3 hours earlier
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>>507815237
Yeah, but it’s still sad. I guess it did help out a bit, since the game only lasts about a week.
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>>507815384
are you fucking kidding me
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>>507815384
It gets even better.
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>>507816365
fucking bonus
these bastards are going extra after christmas
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>>507816501
>>507816416
So all of the games I've played earlier were useless?
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why is it a fucking QR code when a fucking link could suffice
now you gotta get a phone, qr code scanner app or decipher it yourself

TO CLICK A FUCKING LINK TO A FUCKING WEBSITE
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>saved another run due to using a fencing weapon
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Deamonhost dispelled. Empty threats logged.
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>>507817193
You can click to go to the website.
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>>507815384
>>507816416
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
fucking saber played us again, i don't even.
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>>507818654
what the fuck is your problem, we were on page 1
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>>507812761
>bet they meant to launch it on the 23rd
christmas is on jan 7 though
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>play with anons
>operations mean nothing because saberslavs fucked up
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>>507820326
mabe the real prize were the friends we made along the way
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>>507737693
All those Chapters and no sign of Iron Hands. Sad. On the other hand they seem to be outshined by their successors, like Sons of Medusa. Well, maybe Year 2.
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>>507818758
so is every thead that get bumped, staying there is the thing
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>they fixed the volkite pistols damage on the hierophant

boooooo
cant even chip enough to save a cycle
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guys, I just realised something. do shock grenades spawn anymore at all?
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>>507833370
Yeah, I had at least a couple crates spawn across few games today.
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>>507833530
oh I actually remembered I found them once in eight games. Still, weird.
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top or bottom row for the volkite?



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