Remember that you can dislike stuff without making it part of your personality. Report and ignore shitposters that only spam and argue in bad faith.>General Info on Final Fantasyhttps://finalfantasy.fandom.com>What version should I play?http://pastebin.com/nDC7j5bn>Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster Trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdLsIQEGj-E [Open]>Final Fantasy XVI Infohttps://na.finalfantasyxvi.com>Launch Trailer "Salvation"https://youtu.be/_CrV3hkJuvs>DLChttps://youtu.be/RecsFD6SWfchttps://youtu.be/aveDvd66clk >PC Trailerhttps://youtu.be/LBqpFlA_4Is >Final Fantasy VII Rebirthhttps://youtu.be/WgdkN2tCAFw >Final Trailerhttps://youtu.be/Q56cRDseTGQ>Final Fantasy VII Ever Crisishttps://youtu.be/afTX-30KkaE>Dissidia Final Fantasy Opera Omniahttps://www.youtube.com/@DFFOperaOmnia>Final Fantasy Brave Exvius: War of the Visionshttps://pastebin.com/1yvynbW8>Final Fantasy Brave Exviushttps://pastebin.com/mwANP4fD>Final Fantasy XIhttp://www.playonline.com/ff11us/index.shtmlPrevious thread: >>507325928
The 10/10 FFXVI is the best one.
>>507697863We know.
Well, turns out actual gamers don't care for turn based any more.
>>507697436Square Enix should make a Star Wars game.
>>507698849Thank you so much for making this image, I really needed needed that
>>507698849Jimbo already angry it seems
Nobody believes that XVI is the best oneThere has never been a compelling argument for it either
>>507695197Ask Nomura. Also see Kamen Rider Hibiki.
Debirthkek melting down again, I see.
>>507706081My good friend, instead of shitposting like a madman you should definitely type something original and thought provoking into the reply box for once, concerning the video game you incessantly shill
>Magic and mumbo-jumbo?...Must have hit my head on that Purge train
I love Final Fantasy!
>>507707225It's the best
Eikons barely change the game. DMC Nero has more expression with his arm abilities, the complexity of air juggling that opens up with or without DT in concert with style, jump canceling, air-raid in addition to the max act sword combos has WAY more of a skill ceiling. Not to mention Dante has 4 melee weapons, 4 styles, and 4 different guns each that have conditional case states on the air or ground and when you activate it mid combo. Even with 4 different Eikons and a suped up Torgal Clive will be doing the same things at the start of the game as the end regardless of player proficiency because the game requires no skill to pull off its complex moves. Instead of each Eikon enhancing Clive's ENTIRE arsenal the player gets to swap out 6 super moves that are usually less effective, less interesting, don't introduce status effects or can only be used with other Eikons to create one or two interesting combos that you will repeat ad nauseum until the next Eikon opens up.
would you place any of the nu-FF (post X) above the classic ones (V~X)?
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>>507706783Don't shitpost with XIII. And take your meds.
>>507707702>inb4 some biased shill claims XII, XIV and XVIThe only games that actually carry forward the X and X-2 design legacies of three niggas in a row and a cinematic unforgettable action experience over into the next game, is XIII and VIIR seriesXIII and VIIR are the only games that are even connected enough to the old mainline to even be compared to the old games, since they were made by the same studio.Above the classics? Not really, no. Maybe Rebirth. That's the closest we have gotten to the old games adventure experience in a brand new package.
>>507708382meant for>>507706081woops
>>507708867>meantfor fag getting uppityDebirthkek... you lost, I'm afraid...
>>507709682Try discussing Final Fantasy. Like this>>507707459I agree. But I really don't think XVI actually needed that much complexity. It just needed variety.Clive only uses 1 combo string, and his entire kit is just bouncing between moves cooldowns on timers. Challenge is miniscule, enemy damage and aggression is pathetic. It's fun to waste the mobs/beat on boss sponges for about 10-20 hours before you start to seriously question what the fuck they were thinking making a Final Fantasy game with no party or roles to play, while openly copying Game of Thrones and Devil May Cry. It baffles the mind. Hallways, no exploration, no caves, no games, no respite except for boring dialogue. 20 hours of cutscenes. Nearly 50 hours of meandering side content that fails to add significant substance. No good women in the story actually doing anything. Anabella is shit. Mid is literally mid. Jote is hot and yet still does nothing. Jill might be the worst girl in mainline history for being so extremely bland, having so much screentime, but still contributing almost nothing to the games experience.
>>507711062I was discussing XIII's combat last thread.Fuck b*rryFuck VII fagsFuck jannies
>>507711343>I was discussing XIII's combat last threadWith me then? So I would then have to further question why exactly you would so effortlessly post shitIf you believe XVI is the best game, we would all love to hear any form of rationale as to why. This is a place for discussions after all
>>507711808>if you think xviWhat the actual fuck? I didn't even mention XVI. So that explains the "incesstantly shill" part of your shitpost. You stupid bitch.
>>507711808>says this while shitposting XVIIrony, thy name is XIII-kun
Someone sure got mad and fast about being asked to share a compelling and thought provoking argument as to why XVI is the best oneSeems pretty straight forward to me
Best VIII
Stillbirth fag shows it's true colors.>go praise xvi!>uh, I didn't even mention xvi>JUST SAY SOMETHING GOOD ALREADY!>you ARE the xvifag, you are you are you are!
>>507713737his boogeyman is everpresent
>>507713267
>>507712375>>507713737>I didn't even mention XVI!!!Yeah, I did. I brought it up specifically. I even posted my own XVI screenshot.Re-read my post that got you angry >>507702761And what was your response again? That's right...I wonder how many times you'll type some other Rebirth buzzword into the reply box instead of coming up with or engaging in a single point of discussion>>507713267>>507714010Final Fantasy VIII is absolutely incredible
8 hours into FF2 and I’m surprised at how much death there is.Already like 3 towns have been completely depopulated.Please don’t die, cute pirate girl with freakish strength growth.
>>507714408>you got angryNobody even replied to it. And then you bring up XVI, trying to convince me that I somehow did... You're a loony troony.
>>507713935He's still so mad at NSP for not liking Remake enough even though he liked Rebirth. I think he cares more about NSPs opinion of Remake more than NSP cares about Final Fantasy in general.
Why is XVIsissy having a melty? Did something happen?
>>507714735What have you been discussing in this thread so far besides me btw>>507715035He got raped last night by this post or something IDK>>507646368
>507715035>507715226Your enemy isn't here, schizo. First post, and then gone like the wind.
>>507714938He even cried over Jimbo earlier today too!>>507715582 (Chad)>507715226 (Virgin)Oh, and I posted >>507714010. And XIII pics. On an imageboard, no less. Text isn't a requirement.
>>507715738Cute Rebirth shitposter, I bet you'll type demake next
XIII Remaster this year
>>507716683It's kinda amazing how XIII with all its flaws and faults is still a better game than XVI.
>>507716847Many people are saying this recently. Wonder what the explanation could be.
Lightning and Hope ARE cute together!
>>507716847Agreed and I don’t particularly like XIII outside of the battle system.The pivot to full on action series is killing the franchise but I don’t see them changing course.
>>507716063>melting down over XIII and VIII nowHmm...
>>507718538>VIIILol. But I love XIII and VIII. Two of the most beautifully weird and unique video games I've ever experienced, with unforgettable music and characters
>>507717607So it’s pretty obvious she was meeting Hope at the end of XIII-3, right?
>>507678993>does not using auto battle make so much difference?Absolutely, but combat prowess has less to do with 'not using Auto Battle' as it does with actively engaging the correct mechanics and using your full team kit properly instead of just waiting for the ATB meter to fill up every turn, never casting Haste, failing to use Libra, failing to use Quake, just auto chaining, and very slowly filling the chain gauge because you won't use buffs/debuffs.>I remember beating that fucker in 20 minutesYeah, exactly my point. No ordinary fight in the game, even the tough ones, actually take you longer than 5-10 minutes at the very most if you engage mechanics properly, and boost that Stagger up to 999%. A Behemoth can absolutely shitstomp you and make the fight a grueling 10 minute slog, or you can absolutely shitstomp that Behemoth in 30 seconds flat without even giving him a chance. The system has a decently deep learning curve that seriously rewards the intelligent player. The final boss fight can be done in 5 minutes, all the super bosses can be defeated in like 5 minutes easily. Millions and millions of HP, zapped in the blink of an eye.>cheated for 5 million gil after the battleHunting for treasures with the Chocobo on Pulse and selling the treasures to buy your upgrades is the way you're supposed to make gil! Cheating yourself of such a simple pleasure in an RPG makes me think you just might not "get it". But hey, at least you gave it a fair shot!
One true love and kissu chu! Canon and cute!
>>507719836That's my story and I'm sticking to it
tranny XIII general it seems
Based and super straight XIII general where we post hot girls, not men
>>507697863>>507715582>barges in and drops the fpbp>refuses to elaborate further>leavesBased
>>507702548NSP abandoned FF for Metaflop so of course that image hurts him deeply lol
XVI and Metaphor living rent free in the heads of utter losers... woah...
I'd say Metaphor is a better game and RPG than XVI is, but not Rebirth
>>507724549What a fantastic WEBM.
>>507724549XVI is not a RPG thoughever
Should I just give up on XIII trilogy being ported and just buy a PS3?
many such casesit may happen to you
>>507725198>fails at the last second only 1 situp aheadSame exact thing happened to me, after like 10-15 tries I finally got it. Painful, but so worth it. Tifa booby jiggle was really fun, and made it easy to try again when I failed. Fun, optional side content that is challenging and rewarding.
>>507726090Get a computer!
The true hero Caius Gigachad Ballad was based and correct and did absolutely nothing wrong.XIII-4 will set things right with him usurping mary sue Lightning once and for all
I can't wait to finally pirate rebirth
Mods for FF games are incredibly unambitious. They're just graphic touch ups, some form of stat rebalancing, and the occasional outfit recolor.
>>507726090PC already has the fan remaster. We just want the official Remaster with HD UI and some QoL, hopefully a camera mode, on PS5 and Switch 2
Look at me, asking for a XIII port when XII and XV are still waiting for me to play them. I went through the entirety of XIV before going past their prologues.
XIII Trilogy port for the Nintendo Switch 2 soon.
are there really that many XIII fags here or is the one autist just repeating xerself?
Aerisu!
>>507728141PlayStation or no buy.
do people really care about gameplay that much in a final fantasy game?
XIII franchise at this point I'm afraid, Hamaguchi (with Toriyama) supremacy
>>507730585I like turn-based games.
>>507726505Lightning gave him a decent ending though. Dude should have never existed at all, and he's lucky to have had his place alongside some of the series best villains.
>>507730585I like ATB systems and simple RPG elements. Outside of the brand name itself and the art and music, that gameplay is what brings me to the table.
I love Yuna.
>>507730585Remake and Rebirth have amazing gameplay, I genuinely think they're going to make part 3 easier than Rebirth. Hard mode filtered most people.
>>507731745ok seymor
>>507726505>>507731027Wrong. It is Lightning who should have never existed.This contradiction in the timeline will be corrected.
>>507733409I like the game too but let's not get ahead of ourselves
>>507724549Metaphor has>better characters>better music>better story>better RPG mechanicsEqual combat and Rebirth only wins in graphics.
>>507734559>Equal combat
>>507734559>Rebirth>GraphicsLOL no
>>507728270Just one simp and another one or two people who were merely okay with it.
>it's just oneguy I swearXIII trilogy remaster can't come soon enough
>>507734640>admitting to getting filtered by press turnAction sloppa
>>507735000
>>507734892>emetroon has bad reading comprehensionoh no no NO
>>507711062>Jill might be the worst girl in mainline history for being so extremely bland, having so much screentime, but still contributing almost nothing to the games experience.Part of my problem is Clive has to be front and center for everything. He is the MC but even Cloud in 7 had parts he was wheelchair bound. Take the Jill revenge arc. Thar's supposed to be her time but Jill's still second fiddle to Clive.
Rebirth graphics are hit and miss, mostly hit
>turn cringe
>>507736062better than anything they've done in the last 20 years
>>507736272Now wipe the tears off your face and try this post again.
>FFXIII Remaster>FFXVII>FFVIII Remake
>>507735658>mostly shitftfy
>>507734728>>507737217true
>>507734297Not surprised. The game is great but the port is absolutely abysmal. I tried to play it six months ago and it literally would not function, even though I had put plenty of time into it previously.
>>507735626>my problem is Clive has to be front and center for everythingThis could work out pretty well though if Clive was actually charismatic, interesting, aggressive, charming, visionary, or had some other kind of extraordinary feature to his persona. He's not a bard, he's not a poet or a Casanova. He's not that angry, he's not that dangerous. He takes 50 hours to touch and kiss Jill. Basically, he fucking sucks. Dumbo, doesn't know shit about fuck, led around by everyone else who actually has a clue about the world conveniently handing him the plot through dialogue. If he was half as cool or fun as Dante was, or half as pissed off and vengeful as Kratos, it wouldn't be such a problem for him to suck the air out of the room. Because his big personality will carry the show forward. But no. Ifrit is kind of a pushover all things considered. Opening made it seem like Ifrit had agency, but that plot point basically vanishes whenever he "accepts the truth". Being 'Mythos' doesn't mean anything, it's Dragonborn-tier slop. 'Mythos' is just the late-game excuse for why there's no controllable party members. Because Clive has to become duh bestest evar and eat the other more interesting characters' Eidolons to become level 99 and punch "god" in the face.tldr; Clive is way too boring to be the center of attention
>>507737939A past thread had guys say that the whole>Ultima take over Cliveplot really didn't get as much attention, with barely anything after the first failed attempt.Part of the problem was Clive just being too "together" compared to past FF MCs. Cloud was a delusional metal wreck pretending to be Zack and had many schizoid episodes in 7. He was believably taken over by Sephiroth. Clive doesn't have the same level of borderline insanity making him such a high-risk target for takeover.
This is out of nowhere but the way the Double Kalinas combine really reminds me of the Buster Gundam.
>>507738245That's really the big issue with Clive. His entire character arc is basically finished as soon as he accepts the truth, and that happens too early into the game. Afterward he doesn't really have an interesting character hook.
>>507737796Honestly, didn't have that many problems with the game crashing or performance or anything like that. Installed the fix and mods. I had more of a problem with the pants on head writing that throws the themes of XIII out the window and the retconning of the flawless XIII ending. I think overall though Lightning Returns makes up for some of the slack by returning to a more human and emotionally focused story and making Lightning into a mythical goddess
>>507738552He accepts the truth many times really. Was he actively in denial the same way Cloud was? And many also said Joshua surviving took wind out of the sails for that reveal too, saying he's accepting he did something bad which didn't happen. Past thread comparisons made it worse than Yakuza 4 rubber bullets.
>>507739223I haven't played 16 yet, I just got a new job and will be getting it later. But that's so disappointing. I'm currently running through FF12. I just left Archades. For me the most interesting character is Ashe. Because Ashe very expressly does not have enough power to choose her fate. The Empire took her lands. Killed her husband. Vayne is treating her people like they're his and he just slaughtered a peaceful city state. She can't even reveal that she's alive and take the throne because attempting to wage war early will get them crushed. So she's angry. And vengeful. And she wants power. But the power she wants is a corrupting influence. But how else is she supposed to save her kingdom? In my opinion, interesting characters aren't made of cans, they're made of can'ts. Cloud is my favorite fictional character ever because of how many things he has to overcome on his journey. So hearing that Clive basically has it together from almost the start is so disappointing
Game would have been so cool if all of the characters all had their own arcs to go on...Like a party of I don't know, let's say 8 Dominants, who all wield incredible power, gifted to them by Eikons who chose them for specific reasons. A party of fully playable characters with equipment, stats, unique elemental affinities, and maybe a little sphere grid of unlocks...? Transform into the Eikons like Limit Breaks. Play as, fight with and alongside all 8 Eikons. Real time combat with ATB elements and the typical FF statuses/itemization. Clive goes down in combat, switch to Jill/Joshua and cast Revive.Maybe you play as each of these characters throughout the game as you meet them in their own short sections that introduce their unique mechanics alongside their storylines? Sometimes solo, sometimes with a unique party makeup. Perhaps Clive is captured. Play as Jill, leading Joshua and Dion to his rescue. Play as Dion and transform into Bahamut and fight Barnabas/Odin, freeing him and Odin from Ultima's iron grip and turning them to the Light. Companion quest chain of a handful of quests for each of them that expands as you play the game and meet the characters, instead of 50 hours of fetch quests.During the final battle, each of them all bring their powers they have cultivated to the fray and the Eikons that they have mastered, and only together through their bonds and shared purpose can they conquer the day and end the world of magical subjugation and defeat Ultimalius.Now this, sounds like a 10/10 Final Fantasy game. An ARPG that moves the series forward with real time combat, but one that still captures the spirit and essence of the series roots in a substantial way. I didn't change anyone's names. I barely even changed the story. Controls are the same. Locations are mostly the same. I just turned it into a Final Fantasy game, instead of DMC meets GoT
>>507739223>Was he actively in denial the same way Cloud was?Cloud is literally a schizoWithout Tifa of Aerith there he would go insane really fucking fast.Jill helps Clive at the start but then she gets sidelined for the whole game after he gets his limit break when he accepts the truth.
>>507738552>>507738245There was an attempt to do something with his Cid persona, but only a little bit.
>>507740680Nah that's too far. It's like asking the Turks to all be playable party members or for the Four Fiends from IV to join.
ffxvii should be a musical
>>507740680>this nigga wants the RPing quests from FFXIVno please no those are so fucking trash holy
Every final fantasy game would be improved by adding 50 hours to it
>>507741963>having a party is too far>having summons is too far>having the power of friendship is too far>having an RPG is too farThis is why we (You) cannot have nice things. Rebirth has 9 playable characters that all have their own unique gameplay mechanics, their own dungeon sections/boss fights, and there are 14 summons>>507742216I don't know what that is exactly. I'm actually talking about the companion quests from Rebirth
My wife Eiko is cute!
>>50774237350 hours of cutscenes.
>>507743682>>50774237350 hours of one button QTEs that you can't fail
Should I bother getting XVI if I didn't like the gameplay on FF7 remake anons?
>>507742975>missing the point even when examples were given
>>507743845>I didn't like the gameplay on FF7 remakeYou just made a biiiiig mistake buddy
>>507743845Sure. It has just as many cutscenes but nothing is as bad as wall market's portion.
>>507743845VIIR gameplay is an action RPG system. Party member switching, ATB units that charge over time and statuses/elements/mechanics that are tied to Final Fantasy design legacy. You must coordinate multiple characters.XVI gameplay is DMC-lite with cooldowns, no RPG. No statuses/elements/mechanics that are tied to Final Fantasy design legacy. You must coordinate one character and a dog who can do some combos.tldr; if you don't like FFVII Remake combat you might like XVI's, because it's a lot more straight forward and doesn't really require player investment. The game even has easy mode rings that play the game for you that are automatically equipped if you pick easy mode. Normal mode and easy mode are the same difficulty.
>>507697863then why'd it review and sell the worst
>>507745064It's not asking too much for a Final Fantasy game to have a party and summons
>>507745083I don't think it's bad, just not a fan of it. I would say Tifa and Yuffie's gameplay was alright but I didn't like the other characters >>507745083The arena on that part kinda sucked.>>507745310Thanks!>no RPG. No statuses/elements/mechanics that are tied to Final Fantasy design legacyThis doesn't sound good. Does the game at least have some towns to explore and to buy equipment, or is it just linear and mission based like DMC?
>>5077453101 combo*
>>507747276There are towns, and there is equipment. How engaging you find that equipment though.....sheesh. Same potions and mostly the same, weak equipment across all the towns. It could easily have had that "arrive in town/buy new strong weapons and equipment/talk to NPCs" loop, but the 'shop' are basically an afterthought. All equipment that is worth it is crafted at your base.
>>507747276meant to quote >>507745235 for the arena part, my bad
>>507747276>This doesn't sound good. why lol i'd rather ffxvi be linear and mission based compared to the "open world" meme it is currently
>>507747276there are mud huts that sell the same shit which is all pointless because there's only 1 weapon type
>>507745673>taking what I said out of contextPlease point out where I stated or even implied that XVI shouldn't have party members. Go on!
>>507747503>I'd rather xvi be dogshit than goodthe linear corridors of xvi are literally emptier and devoid of content than any open world ever
>>507697863>Fighting Style>Dominantlmao>>507740680Hate that idea, actually.I wouldn't have minded a game where you controlled multiple characters, like say pressing L2 swaps to Joshua, then Jill, etc.Also, it sounds like you just wanted XVI to be 13/7R gameplay wise. DMC Action >>> ATB shit any day desu.Also the Dominants work better as a mix of heroes and villains.. The story has pretty good escalation of it's baddies through it's arcs.The companion quest idea is there, with the ally quest chains that ends with them giving you a piece for Clive's collection.It's just weird it was never implemented for the characters. (I think Tarja specifically has a chain but idr)Would've killed for less MMO-shit quests and more character-specific quests.
>>507747637by defending xvi you are defending the notion ff should'nt have a party
>507747870Poor bait.
>>507747818xvi is the worst dogshit imaginable with the worst charactere and has less action combat than literally any arpg ff
>>507747932xvi is not FF
>>507743845>>507747276Do you like CUHRAYZEE combos? Then yeah it's fucking great.Personally, I hate ATB. Either give me action like XVI and DMC, or give me TB like SMT and Bravely Default Play the Demo, story and Arcade. I think it's almost a perfect summary of how the game's Main Story Quest goes.>507748054It's almost new years and all you do is spam bait on a game thread dude.
>>507747637Buddy, you didn't really reply to the post in jest with any kind of analysis or critique. You said "that's too far" and outright dismissed the entire thing as being unrealistic when it's not. It's just a different vision than DMC-lite meets GoT.>>507747818You hate the idea of XVI being a more traditional Final Fantasy title that is actually inspired by games like VI, VII, VIII, IX and X? Hm. To each his own. Personally, I don't think watered down DMC with one character and QTEs is anywhere near acceptable for a Japanese RPG franchise in the modern day, with how stiff competition is and the legacy that this series has for what it's gameplay identity looks like. Doesn't matter how "cool" the action is during those QTEs. There are no mechanics to sink my teeth into
>>507748395xvi has no combosthere is 1 fucking 4hit attack string and everything else is a cooldown ability or a single action like a block or airdash
>>507729921The 3rd heroine aka the 12th MAIN character here, say something nice to her.
>>507747503I always liked the overworld from the older games and it was fun to find and explore a new town.>>507747449>>507747512Since the equipment part doesn't look much interesting I hope at least the towns/npcs are.
>>507748909Cissnei a sexo beast. Will be cute to see her mods
>>507748575Why would you have characters who are antagonists (and only exist to be) join? Hence my comparison to Turks and Fiends. A non fucktarded way to include party members would be including the following>Jill>Torgal>Josh>Cid>Gav>Byron>DionMaybe a gaiden for the other dominants where you play as them with limited movesets and skills like Rebirth does. That's it.
>>507748958Towns are decent and you go back for a number of sidequests. It's on par with XV's towns, maybe not quite as big as Lestallum or whatever the middle one was. Better than XIII's lack of towns.
>>507749453tifa-chan...
>>507749193>Why would you have characters who are antagonists (and only exist to be) join?Because in my XVI that is actually Final Fantasy, important characters wouldn't exist just to be killed by the fucking MC in an episodic way. They would all actually contribute to the narrative. They would be playable, they would have a flashback sequence. And yes, they would join the party after you whip their asses and dispel Ultima's influences. Benedika, Hugo, Barnabas in that order. You're telling me Mythos is so weak and uninfluential that he can't figure out how to redeem a single "bad" person? Why were they bad in the first place? Do you know who this guy is btw?
FFXVI-2 never ever.
>anon wants a shounen naruto based final fantasyalrighty then
>>507748958>I hope at least the towns/npcs areI wish I had something positive to say about the towns, but the only town I remember is Martha's Rest........there's nothing there. The other town looks like it could be really interesting, but there are no interiors. Ohhhh a brothel? Let's go inside! Oh we can't.....Oh but we go to some other brothel in a cutscene.....and there's SEX noises in the background!This shit ain't Final Fantasy
>>507749638Clive isn't some pacifist. And most of these people are against him because of the narrative. It's like asking why Bartz doesn't talk down the Void bosses. Hell most enemies won't join the heroes until the plot demands it, not because the hero convinced them. Like Seifer or the Turks. And Kain was playable at the start and was only manipulated by Golbez. Very low IQ comparison.
>>507749848>Final Fantasy never had the power of friendship or turning enemies into allies
>>507749902>anon forgets Lamia, spying on nude Faris, Don Corneo, SNES dancers, and XIV's apparent sex slavery
>>507749505
>>507748395Too bad you can only do stuff like this in the training room. Big enemies and bosses are glued to the floor and can't be stunned, and random scorpions in Rosaria die too quickly.
>>507748278What is FF?
>>507750048FF is whatever I want it to be whenever I need to win an argument.
Call of Duty is Final Fantasy.
>Any an all 7R video essays are either:>The 'tuber autistically lamenting their frustration over what did or didn't work and ultimately why making a meta sequel was a shit idea that ruined 7's legacy>or praising it to high heaven while also using the platform as an excise to scold boomers/purists that they're nostalgia blind, that faithful remake was never possible to replicate without pissing someone off and to either go play the OG or just get over itAt this point, all video essays are just Twitlonger screeds. Thank god for AI video summaries.
Final Fantasy is using a Phoenix Down to revive party members
dude anybody remember ff4??? where the mc razed a village and went like hurrdurrr noooo the king can't be evil wtffff he must've done this for a good reason
I finished FF4 PR, should i start with 5 PR or go straight into After Years? Someone told me, that it's the same game, same story, nothing changed
>>507749638>and dispel Ultima's influences.That's fucking horrible writing holy shit.In a setting with actual characters do you think anyone would party up with Hugo Kupka after the shit he pulled to Hideaway, Rosalith, and all the Bearers in Dhelmekia?You think there's going back after Clive confronts Hugo in Rosalith and tells him he killed that bitch stone dead?
>>507752430why are you german? no seriously why
>>507752812why not? just because we had a dream once? sadly, no one else liked our dream
>>507750210I'm lamenting lack of interactivity or exploration of an interesting location. Instead it's feigned jabs at sexual content that is ultimately meaningless and forgettable. Exploring the brothel would be better. Like when Isabelle is propositioning Clive, while she's standing outside. It feels hollow. You have like a dozen empty sidequests in front of the brothel, you never go inside. Meanwhile, Honeybee Inn is explorable, then and now. Madame M handjob innuendo scene is outright explicit. Don Corneo's shit. Ass and titty shots. That's doing far more with far less. XVI could have shown way more cleavage, half naked concubines, actually interesting sexy/violent scenes. It has blood droplets and censored dismemberment instead. They wanted to copy GoT, and this was their opportunity. It was all just hollow to me.>>507752791>in a Final Fantasy game that's actually a party based RPG, the storyline of the characters would play out exactly the same as if it was a DMC-lite GoT cloneBenedikta's head wouldn't be in that box, because she wouldn't be dead, because she would be a playable character. More than likely would be standing back there behind Clive. Helping him to kick Hugo's ass for a completely different reason relating to an entirely unique plotline. It's so stupid that this wannabe "mature" storytelling is what "people" praise Final Fantasy for now. BLOOD AND "SEX" AND SWEARING! FUUUCK!You can pretend that shallow entertainment is more interesting than having a real party based RPG where you can play as cool characters and control Titan/Garuda/Odin at will all you want, but I'm not buying it
>>507748395Skipped the cutscenes and tried a bit until the Malboro. You don't have many skills unlocked there but it seems alright.>the parry is too weird to use but it's nice when you get it>the charge magic is fun to use, maybe the sword one will be too when you get more skills so you don't need to stop attacking to charge it>the stomp seems fun but you can barely stay in the air after it>the lunge attack seems kinda trash because you get stuck on the animation if you don't use the magic right after>the fire dash thing doesn't work like in this webm against the Malboro for me, when I use it in the air I go straight to the ground, maybe there's a better version of itI guess I could give it a try>>507749357>>507749902If they look nice and have npcs to talk to I'm fine with it
>>507739913Don't listen to XIII-kun about XVI. They/them repeats the same lies ad nauseum here until blue in the face.XII is my favourite in the series and I loved XVI and its characters.
>>507748278Barry always won
>>507754884What control scheme are you playing with? I used one that puts Attack/Magic on R1/R2 and Eikonic Feat to L2 and dodge to Circle. It honestly made controlling the game a lot better because I could move the camera around between targets and charge both attack types and release them at will a lot easier. It also felt nice on the DS5 because of the adaptive triggers. There are definitely some pretty fun mechanics to play with in XVI. But I feel like they come along far too slowly and then basically stop advancing
>>507739913Listen to XIII-kun about XVI, anon. At least he gives some explanations instead of hand-waving every criticism.
>>507756028XIII has the most juvenile and poorly written characters in the series though.Anyone that likes that game has zero taste nor actual ability to discern a game's quality.
>>507755258If you take umbrage with something I've posted, please feel free to address it whenever you feel like it my friend. I'm always willing to discuss my favorite series. I don't even have a reply in that chain in the last 3 hours btw so reply to this >>507737939 or anything else you feel like is a lie that you'd like to clear up.
>>507756271>b-but what about that other game>anyone that likes *ad-hominem gibberish*Kek, you lost.
>>507754090So go ahead and write it then.I write fanfics and what-if scenarios too, there's a whole community of people CREATING and not just complaining, bitching, and moaning.>>507754884If you want to just try the combat, there's a combat mode that gives you 3 Eikons and adult Clive to play as.I'd say play the demo in full without skipping and see if it's your jam because it's a summary of how the game goes.>>507755258Someone who liked 12? I hear a lot of shit about it but saw the PS2 box at a used games store and got tempted. Was the "Zodiac Age" version btw.
How come we never had a Nomura cult?
>>507756785Nomuras fans have self awareness and like to make fun of him too. You can't be in a cult if you're laughing at the prophet
>>507756631>So go ahead and write it then.>CREATING and not just complaining, bitching, and moaningHe literally posted his thoughts for fixing XVI or its potential sequel, by the way, on a game discussion forum. If that's not constructive attitude, on a game discussion forum, then nothing is constructive.
>>507757284He's just mad that I'm being critical. He posted Dion, but he's mad that I'd have liked for Dion to actually be playable. Have his own weapons, armor, skills, quest line, special boss fight. Like in a good Final Fantasy game.
>>507755893Custom but the only thing I changed was the magic from triangle to L1 because it was weird to hold triangle while pressing square all the time.>There are definitely some pretty fun mechanics to play with in XVISeems like it, I didn't expect to be able to just parry an attack from giant monster with a normal slash. From what I played and looking at the skill tree there's some cool stuff and depending on how different the boss fights are it might be fun. It's also the only FF I didn't play so I think I'll get it.>>507756631>there's a combat mode that gives you 3 Eikons and adult Clive to play as.Is this part of the demo far into the game? Would suck to have a lot of skills unlocked and having go back to only having basic stuff for a while when I start playing
>yoshitroon when you suggest cutting the 50 hours of sidequests in favor of playable party members with summons
>>507756596XIII was mentioned in the previous post, dummy.
>>507757030Sadly we can't say the same for the Kitase and Nojima cult.
>>507758347True. They'll criticize every little thing about other games but never their own.
>>507757898>it was weird to hold triangle while pressing square all the timeRight, exactly. A bit of an awkward default....I will give XVI credit for the controls though, because once I set them up the way I liked, they were honestly immaculate. Very precise, very crispy, not at all complicated to do really cool stuff. The game is FUN to play which is perhaps the most important thing you can ask for when you're paying your time and money. I think my biggest problem is that the fun reaches an eclipse that's resting upon a VAST open sea, when you realize that there aren't any of the actual greater mechanics beyond Damage and Stagger (which means nothing, mechanically speaking) to actually sink your teeth into, it's all just cosmetic damage.It's really lacking in substance when the last FF game you played was Remake and the very next FF game you played was Rebirth. There's a serious gap in the overall strategy/configuration/mechanical application that's actually required to succeed a boss fight. I beat XVI without dying. Many people had the exact same experience. Meanwhile, Rebirth Dynamic was an absolute thrill of difficulty. I really enjoyed XVI on PC with some 2X enemy damage and unlocked aggression mod from the start so that enemies are dangerous, and some of the equipment mods I found that change up the weapons to have unique effects/abilities. The game really has a lot of potential, if it had stronger RPG elements/statuses/equipment, I'd downright love it. Beautiful style and presentation, really cool setting and characters. QTE boss battles will have your eyes popping out of your head
>>507757284>>507757507>posted his thoughtsis different to actually writing it out anon.An idea is different to a muralI'm not convinced it's a good way to take the story because he hasn't presented an actual narrative just a bunch of disjointed ideas and themes.Write that shit out then get back to me. Do a script, LN style writing, whatever you want.Do SOMETHING with your fucking time.
>>507759201Why are you so mad about me saying XVI would have been a better game if it was designed around party members? Like you are actually steaming my man. Please, cool out
>>507756785Have you tried looking in /khg/?
>>507757898It's just a "try the game with a full kit" experience.You don't get 3 Eikons until like... 15hrs? I think? It takes a while.>>507759347I agree on some areas (Playable characters like the other guy mentioned, not Dominants), companion quests, etc.I disagree on other stuff like the original stuff you tried to write.
>>507759347You can't criticize XVI with logical reasons or they'll call you a hater or deflect to another game.All you have to do to avoid conflict here is shill the game like a chatbot.
>>507756631>Someone who liked 12?Don't get me wrong, it's flawed. Like really flawed. It is not a character driven game. But I still like it in a weird way
January>it will be gotyFebruary>it will be gotyMarch>it is gotyApril>goty ezMay>goty in the bagJune>goty no competitionJuly>they should play this song during goty speechAugust>goty barry will kill himselfSeptember>livestream your suicide when it wins gotyOctober>persona reskin can't win rebirth gotyNovember>metacritic score doesn't matter rebirth sweepDecember>lose goty>lose best rpg>lose best narrative>lose game direction>lose audio design>lose best performance
>>507758905Stagger is one of the reasons I dislike for example the latest Armored Core game and I feel like it's everywhere now. I don't know how XVI is later on but at least on this first boss I didn't feel like I needed the stagger to do damage.I don't really like the Remake/Rebirth combat but I think they did a good job with some stuff in Rebirth like having specific ways to stagger some enemies and not just having you spam the element they are weak to. It's a nice upgrade for people that liked the remake combat.
>>507759905XII has no weaknesses.
>>507757284He posted a non-sensical rewrite which was dismantled by >>507750042>>507749193There's plenty to fix for XVI but like I said, some things are too far. Might as well add time jannies next.
>>507759602>the original stuff you tried to writeWell I wouldn't say I tried to write it lmfao less than tried to. I don't have the damnest clue what that hypothetical plotline looks like. That's not my job though as a consumer who wants a Final Fantasy product. I get it, making art, even halfway good art, is fuck-hard. XVI is a huge production, absolutely massive amount of time and work put in from a hugely talented staff of people. I respect all the writers and the work they put in to make that game world work. It's a lush and dense narrative that really makes a lot of people really happy. I hope that it does. For me, the game just failed to meet some of my specific expectations. Punching god in the face at the end was cute, but when the 999999 flashes, and Clive says "final fantasy!" and then died......I felt like somewhere along the way, the things that are really important narratively and thematically are lost in the transition from party based RPG gameplay to character action gameplay
>>507759773>>507759347Why so dishonest?
>>507759201>is different to actually writing it out anon.>An idea is different to a muralYes, but this is game discussion forum. You're free to go and continue writing your gaylord fanfics all you want. People here are free to share their disjointed ideas and themes.
>>507759602>You don't get 3 Eikons until like... 15hrs? I think? It takes a while.I should just play the full version then...
>>507761281The only Tactics they have,are dishonest ones.Since the 10/10 FFXVI saved Final Fantasy and corrected XIII and XV's mess.
>>507761120Hardly anything posted here >>507740680 was dismantled by >>507750042 Very insincere, anon.
>>507759347I still can't believe they made a mainline Final Fantasy game without party members.
>>507761767>another deflectionJesus christ they're definitely mad
>>507761496You should buy FFXVI because it's a good game especially if you are interested in it. Absolutely worth the money>>507761767Hey fag it's me XIII-kun I've been discussing XVI for hours and told someone who's on the fence about buying it to do so, so maybe suck eggs about video game forum posts you don't like. I like the game I just have the ability to criticize the things I don't like about it
>>507762641no worries bro I just popped in to shill the 10/10 XVI a bitHope you had a great Christmas
Why most people didn't agree with Yoshitroons and support their game if it was so good?
i think anons overhype xvi here, if you're not a "certain" type of autist, you won't like the game. luckily some of us are including me. despite being a modern game, it has game design that's really more benefitting a ps2 era game for better or for worse.
>>507759347I wish the game had more distinction between elements at least via action mechanics. All spells on RMB are identical and there are almost no statuses except for freeze. They could have made, for example, Titan magic only work at close range, so it would work like Dante's shotgun in Devil May Cry. Or they could have made wind magic able to cluster small enemies. And so on.XVI in many ways feels like a minimal viable product, like XIII or XV, with the difference being that XVI's developers had 7 years of time and didn't fall into production hell because of miserable engine.
>>507762951>>507763014Survey says... Majority actually did agree that the fastest selling PS5 exclusive XVI was quite great. Its got an 87 on Metacritic and a 39/40 from Famitsu btw.
>>507763213Actually it's more accurate to say that only certain types of autists disliked it, see >>507763213The overwhelming majority of fans and first-timers rate it quite favorably indeed.Always remember that (you) are a minority.
i mean would it really kill xvi team to increase enemy HP. Add a style meter. Add like 5 extra combos to spice things up? did capcom patent the style meter? like lol
>>507763763normies hate the game for it being too padded and having archaic game design. but normies fucking love ff7r even though i'd say the padding there is significantly worse.tbf there's a lot of elements in xvi that I honestly wish they just saved the money and just made xvi more like DMC with a mission mode with a hub area in the hideout with much better level design.
>>507763213As you can see, they are literally incapable of engaging in honest discussion.
>>507762167Like, even if they aren't controllable. They need equipment, some skills, level ups...it's not hard to include those rudimentary systems and items in menus, give the player items that populate shops and chests. Skills that they can upgrade and use in combat at your direction on the Dpad just like Torgal, while still keeping the 'gameplay' system focused on Clive.Dragon Age Veilguard had more worthwhile RPG elements to it's arcadey button mashy gameplay and it's tranny party members and cringeworthy dialogue than Final Fantasy XVI. Better exploration, better character side quests, better world interactivity. That's just insane. XVI may have much better writing and characters, storytelling, bosses, worldbuilding, music, art, etc etc....but as a basic fucking RPG game, it's actually got more meat on the bones. Thematically, saving the world from evil through the power of love and friendship with a happy ending is closer to what I'm looking for than what XVI gave me. Veilguard honestly felt openly influenced by the corridor Final Fantasy games like Remake, XIII and even XVI. Not sure if anyone here played that but It wasn't as bad as I was expecting. It exceeded my expectations
>>507760783Stagger never changes. You build it up, then unleash everything when the enemy gets staggered. Every enemy staggers the same way and for the same length of time. Every fight really does have effectively the same flow.
>>507762049>no uOK
>>507763014ESL-chan...>>507763213It's only one guy doing it. Everyone else knows it's a solid fun 7/10.
>>507765339Not "no u", anon. Hardly any of his suggestions were "dismantled".
seriously rpg autists are annoying too.
>>507765781You say that while every non-rpg slop made by SE keep getting dabbed by turn based game again and again
I still think the defanging of Avalanche and Cloud’s actions by making the collateral damage from the bombings actually be Shinra’s fault was the gayest shit on earth.
>>507767456The damage was significantly worse in the Remake than it was in the OG though. OG was just them blowing a power grid. Remake was practically 9/11.
>>5077509491-10/12/13/1511 not ff14 not ff16 not ff
I think it would be more fun to play as Hugo and summon Titan than I think it's fun to cut Hugos hands off and fight him in a QTE because the story decided that he's evil and retarded. It's just not that interesting. The fight was "epic" yeah. But Hugo Kupka could have been actually interesting instead, like a genuine top tier Final Fantasy character if he was playable. The embodiment of Titan? That design? Drunkard, asshole, sleazy, insulting, but a diamond heart hidden under the stone? Someone who undergoes a character arc? I want to play that character. I want to punch god in the face with him. I want to hear party dialogue between him and Cid, him and Benedikta. And I want to play as Barnabas too and hear his dialogue about weird shit that nobody even understands because he's crazy. I want to enjoy the games cool and over the top characters and their designs, not just killing them after a QTE in my fake ass 'JRPG' that historically has always included these characters as party members/summons, not just "le evil antagonist of the week" and a different color for the magic burst "not a gun".You fight Dion/Bahamut and then he's on the team, sitting around the hideaway. Oh right, but he is le justified in being beaten into submission from acting up because he's arbitrarily written to be a "good" Eikon. So stupid to arbitrarily cut out three of the Eikons as "evil" by attaching them to GoT tier fake villains who are le evil just to pull Ultimalius out of your dickhole. You fight the Eikons in the game except for Ramuh and Shiva, but none of the Eikons outside of Phoenix and Ifrit are playable. This creates a fundamental disconnect from the player and those Eikons as well as their characters. Cid is just a voice and an image. He has no mechanics, no skills, no weapons, no equipment. This creates a massive fundamental disconnect between players and charactersImagine if you couldn't/never could play as your favorite Final Fantasy character. I mean seriously.
>>507769129They still took away the fact that they were all willing to potentially harm innocents.
>>507762951>>507763958True and agreed.7R and XVI could both cut a lot of filler and be better games for it.I will say that I enjoyed XVI significantly more than 7R thoughbeit. XVI's filler felt more like world building slice of life whereas 7R's was quite the obvious padded slog.You could say I'm biased but I don't think so. Contrary to popular belief, your beloved XVI-kun is a big VII enjoyer, alongside most other Final Fantasy games.
>>507769603Depends on how you look at it. Had Shinra not contributed we likely would have gotten the blackout we got in OG. With Shinra's aid we got Sector 8 being straight up nuked. Jessie didn't know it wasn't entirely her fault, but she still had to bear the weight of the guilt.
>>507769479>So stupid to arbitrarily cut out three of the Eikons as "evil" by attaching them to GoT tier fake villains who are le evil just to pull Ultimalius out of your dickhole.I think you need to take some meds. If VIII were released today you'd be saying the same thing about the Disciplinary Committee. What's next, you want Garland from IX playable and to be redeemed?
>>507767456I don't think it changes anything as the themes concerned. Shinra has always been laughably evil since the OG anyways and were willing to do batshit crazy just for lulz.
I think Dragon Age is better than XVI.
Sans was a more epic fight than anything in XVI.
>>507750285She's so hot it's unbearable. Why would man create something that can't exist?
I think Atlus should make a Final Fantasy game.
>>507772603This. He writes paragraphs proclaiming that his subjective opinions would objectively improve XVI's already excellent writing, combat etc. (they wouldn't)Yet will praise the very flawed XIII endlessly without even a shred of self reflection. It's the worst case of recency bias I've ever seen.
>>507707702>>507708675XIV is one of the best FF titles
>>507772603I just want to summon/play as Titan/Garuda/Odin/Ramuh/Shiva/Bahamut in Final Fantasy and the way the game opened with Phoenix being playable in that demo sequence sold me on the game and made me believe the others would be playable but that was a complete rugpull because I spent 100 hours and there are zero summons>>507776746XIII has playable summons, party members, RPG gameplay, ATB, niggas in a row...pretty sure it has objectively more to do with Final Fantasy than XVI does with it's 1 button QTE's and 50 hours of fetch quests
>>507776746>objectivelyI don't see his suggestions claiming to be objective. If anything, he said these are his opinions.Learn from him and discuss your favourite game at least a little bit. >excellent writing>excellent combatRecency bias > ChatGPT spamming.
>>507707702Several.Even a few spinoffs are better than I-X.Hell, Mistwalker has a game or two that give them a run for their money as well.Nostalgia just clouds your judgment.
>>507777809Reminder that checklists do not make a Final Fantasy. That's precisely why XIII feels like a mockery of FF. They never really understood the true soul of the series. Clearly, neither do (you)
>>507778294Reminder that constant spam does not make Final Fantasy XVI better. Spamming the same shit again ang again will never bring your DMC slop to the series' soul.
>>507777646It was until Dawntrail.
>>507776746>>507778294FFXVI is objectively the Ultimate Final Fantasy according to the creator of Final Fantasy.I don't disagree with him.
>>507769479I don't think it's necessary to make Hugo a member of the team. All the antagonists' arcs present the negative aspects of dominance in different ways, they explore how the power of magic and Eikon enslaves dominants in different ways. Through antagonists' arcs examples, the writers show different ways in which excessive power and hubris enslave the enslaver, if that makes sense. I think it's important to show both the moral decay of the dominants (benedikta, hugo, barnabas) and the possibility of redemption (dion), so someone has to stay and end up as the antagonist.
FF9 remake will save this general.
>>507779464It certainly seems that way.XVI>XI>XIV>XII>IX would be my top 5 I thi
>>507778601Correct. Correct. Let him spam all he wants while he still can. As soon as FFXVII goes back to traditional turn based gameplay, XVI will just become another laughingstock among the fandom just like XV
>>507776746>>507778294>>507779642All I would change about XVI would be to make a couple other characters playable. It's the one simple change that would add some variety and likely lessen most other gripes from people about pacing.
>>507779641Nothing will save this general. Everyone with senses left this place. I thought Vaynefag was the final nail, but then some reasonable gacha players left. Even Claireposter is no more with us.
Just let Yoko Taro direct FF game already.
if it's FINAL Fantasy why would they need more than one game?
>>507779860>FF will surely become turn-BASED again... in just two more weeks..!
>>507780045I thought Claireposter and Vanillefag are the same Anon
>>507780056>nier got another sales update before either xvi or rebirth did
>>507780223That's what a good game does. It prints money and is loved by everyone.
>>507778048I remember when one of them posted something along the lines of "there's nothing to discuss about XVI anymore" in order to stifle discussions. The same tweets, every single day, without a single ounce of discourse to be had>>507779564>necessaryI want all 8 Eikons to be summonable. It's actually not a difficult ask. It's a series staple. All the story reasons in the world don't really supersede the gameplay expectations of what this series means. Rebirth has a dozen different summons. X had 8. XIII had 6. Even XV has 7 summons. There's no reason this game didn't put summons in the game and I can't be convinced otherwise. It's a massive, gaping, wide open hole in the games design.
>>507780317I don't like Nier and Yoko Taro is a hack that will never touch an FF
>>507780073Each Final Fantasy presents it's own version of "finality" to the story and world. XVI rips away any of the subtlety of that though by putting the title of the game in the story with a name drop and a "it was all a book" reveal ala GoT/ASOIAFNot very original or inspiring
>>507780486I like the Nier games, and while I admit they're overrated they're still far better than XVI
>>507780597The Final Fantasy namedrop and mode are the definition of original.It was the first time for the series that this was done.The book thing is Tactics btw not GoT. It's not saying the events of the game didn't happen, just that their historical account were penned by Clive, and so long ago/so far removed from the current society that they seem mythical. A good way to end the game imo.
>>507780996Ahh yes, it was Tactics, totally not the ending to the series they literally stated they got their inspiration from.
>>507781235Yeah I'm not replying to him, dude is fucking cooked.
>>507780996>The book thing is Tactics btw not GoT.Very funny. The problem is that history in Tactics isn't mythologised, it's altered and falsified. Completely different topic. XVI leaning more towards GoT.
Why does this thread feel like it's just the same 3 autists screaming and baiting each other?No you autistic faggots don't get to answer, I know who you are
>>507781513Sadly that’s just what happens to every general.The cast of recurring characters usually changes when a new game releases.
>>507781235XVI is clearly heavily influenced by FF12 and Tactics. Not sure why you wouldn't see this unless you didn't play it.
>>507780996FF7 missed an opportunity to make Cloud namedrop in this scene right here>'I’ve never been a SOLDIER, it’s all just an illusion… my final fantasy.'
>>507781513>3 autists screaming Not 3. 4. You're here.
>>507781753would have been kino tbqh
>>507781651>XVI is clearly heavily influenced by FF12 and TacticsIn what ways? Because it's not gameplay elements.
>>507781651If you cope hard enough and completely ignore the producer's own words and deeds, then sure.
>>507780996>>507781651This
>>507782172Yoshi-P is the biggest Matsuno cultist there is.Ivalice could easily be future Valisthea.
>>507782341Funny considering Matsuno hates him now over getting fired after having written Bozja.
>>507782341Sad if true. All his work is an insult to Matsuno's, especially XIV. It’s like comparing a dog turd to a diamond.
>>507782150The problem is that he doesn't even realise what theme Tactics is raising with all the history shenanigans if he thinks the ending of XVI is a reference to Tactics.>Vocal Matsunofag>Didn't play Matsuno's games or didn't get the points of his stories.Why are they always like this?
>XVI devs were required to watch Game of Thrones>They weren't required to play a Final Fantasy game>They weren't required to make a Final Fantasy game either
>>507782429That's quite a sensationalist way of putting it. Matsuno is a bit of a prima donna about things but I don't think he hates Yoshi-P or anything. He was a contractor for Bozja and Return to Ivalice so there was no firing - the contract just ended and that was that. They are each working on different things right now and Matsuno says he is no longer obsessed with creating games anyway. Maybe they will collab again in the future.>>507782550This is pretty over the top. There's a lot of objectively good storytelling and wordbuilding in XIV pre-Dawntrail.
>>507782950Keep coping, XIV will never come close to Matsuno's beautiful crafted masterpiece.
>>507782950Ahh yes, I'm sure "Gabranth was just unceremoniously killed offscreen after the end lmao" was part of the plan all along, and not a response to the Japs hating the Bozja story and cancelling any continuation of it.
>B-b-but they were clearly inspired by Matsuno kinoYeah, about that.
>>507783587It keeps happening
>>507783587>follows the recent God of War instead of old God of Warfucking sickening
>>507780996>>507782689I'm well aware and just replayed Tactics recently. You've made a strange logical leap in your mind and are running with it.>>507783239That was more due to changes from Covid and the Garlemald expansion that was cancelled at the time, that would have explored more of Gabranth and Dalmasca.
Is Tactics really that good
>>507783976Yeah it's good. XII is excellent as well.
>>507783976Yeah, everything about it except the gameplay.
>>507783976google 'FF Tactics ending' and take a look at what you see and whether or not any of that interests you at all
>>507784118It's got really great and innovative gameplay for its genre though.Do you always dislike and shitpost about a game if it doesn't fit your preferred game genre? of course, I know that the answer is yes
>>507784584>always dislike and shitpost about a game if it doesn't fit your preferred game genre?Wow, he's just like you, spammer.
>>507784376>giga spoil yourself
>>507784584>>507784806I don't dislike nor shitpost about any particular game genre though.You've created a boogeyman in your mind but as I said many times I am quite fond of many Final Fantasy games and spinoffs across many genres.
>>507784986Good that at least you don't deny you're spamming 24/7.
>>507784986>>507786110Not doing that either. Any other questions?
>>507784376I liked the ending a lot better when it was ambiguous. Knowing for certain everyone survived and Matsuno had more adventures planned for Ramza and friends robs the game of a lot of its pathos
>>507786313To you, obnoxious spammer? No questions, really. I have no questions for people like Barry.
XVI CHADS WE FUCKING WON!!!!!
>got separated from my pirate wife in the belly of Leviathan I’m sure she’s fine…
>>507786857Woops wrong one, I posted a screenshot from the 10/10 Final Fantasy XVI, I meant to post a screenshot from the equally 10/10 Tekken 8.XVI CHADS WE FUCKING WON!!!!!!
>>507786857>>507787031Pretty based
>>507787509Tifa...
>>507786857Yeah, the loser contest KEKYPOW
>>507786857What the fuck is that filename, man.
>>507786857>>507787031Based and trueSome say we just can't stop winning
>>5077885754chan mass reply anon, expand your shitposting.
New jams received.Was thinking of buying the other Soken OSTs but they're all in individual single-CD collections for like 4K Yen each, pass.
>>507787647One of the reasons Liberation Slop XVI isn't culturally relevant is because the creators chose to chase trends (God of War, Devil May Cry, GoT) instead of creating something unique and novel.
Final Fantasy is kinda mid not gonna lie
What different phrases would a talking Tifa barbie say when you'd squeeze her?
>>507789317>Romancing Saga 2Why do people like this game so much?
>>507780056This
>>507784584Explain how leaving one enemy alive just to farm AP is good game design. Don’t even try to say you’ve never done it because that’s a 100% lie, every FFT player does it and it fucking sucks.
>Famitsu "Super Trendy Game Awards 2024", >No. 1 is Dragon Quest III HD-2D Remake, No. 2 Astrobot and No. 3 Metaphor!>181 game creators and celebrities who love games chose the most addictive games of the year.https://www.famitsu.com/article/202412/28670>76. 北瀬佳範(スクウェア・エニックス)>82. 浜口直樹(スクウェア・エニックス)>86. 吉田直樹(スクウェア・エニックス)>135. 坂口博信(ミストウォーカー)
>>507780056Only if Keiichi Okabe composes the OST.
>>507794392いじわるですね、野村様は!(canon btw)
>>507787031It still cracks me up how unpopular the Clive DLC was, judging by people’s reactions and comments. He’s probably the least hyped character I’ve ever seen in a fighting game. I bet someone at SE regrets putting him in Tekken because it made people piss and laugh instead of boosting sales.>B-But everyone is maining Clive! You're just coping!!The same thing happened to Noctis and pretty much every new Tekken character in the past. Also, did you know the very first PC mod for Clive was to turn him into Dante or some other character with more value than him? That says a lot about what people think of Clive.
>>507783587>follows very closely to the more recent God of War gamesI'm not even surprised.
>>507797148I remember when the rumour that Clive would get in over Tifa started I talked about how pissed everyone would be, but then shitposters hijacked that talking point in order to sow negativity. This risked lowering SEs share prices so I course corrected to try keep those comments subdued, but now Clive is out there and there's no way to hold back all the negativity. At least we can try spin all this as proof that the world wanted Tifa because everyone loves the Remake trilogy so much.
>>507780056Automata is on its way to become SE's most successful single player game of the HD era.Hell, given the fact that it was created on an outsourced budget rather than a FF budget, it probably has been for some time. Crazy.
>>507799361It already is. It cost way less than XV did and has only sold 1m less in a shorter amount of time.
>507797148lol didnt read faggot
>>507800485What am I supposed to think as I look at this
Why must people always be so negative?Why not talk about everything XVI got right instead?
>>507801101Because that trash got nothing right. It's not a FF game, only in the name.
>>507801101Like the incredibly well received Clive Rosfield guest character in the 10/10 Tekken 8? So well received, the 10/10 Final Fantasy XVI had a massive sales boost to the point it was selling better than TGA winners on Steam?
I'll be playing Final Fantasy VII Rebirth for the first time in a month. What should I expect?
>>507800974>rebirth is more popular>remake somehow costs more even though its over 4 years old.they're really trying to boost XVI's popularity but it just ain't working
>>507801353Fun, childlike soi faced fun.
>>507801353The true GOTY.
>>507801648Finally, an award show that matters
>>507801648wtf rebirth is dei lgbtqp+ game why are arabs giving it awards?
Where are you Aerithbro? New Ultimania is out.
With the Nintendo Switch totally dominating Japan this New Year, I hope SE has big plans for the Switch 2. I'm so excited this franchise is finally getting out of Sony's jail and will never go back. FF fans are going home soon.
>>507803369How do grown men end up becoming shippers?
>>507804465Autism and loneliness
>>507742997THE BESTEST
>>507780056
>>507781651>>507782172
>>507782341>>507782950matsuno hates yoshitpiss now
>>507797148>>507800485clive btfohttps://streamable.com/f82q74https://streamable.com/wt0b7gliterally nobody knows who Clive is even after being told he is a character named Clive while people were shouting "NOCTIS?!!" just from seeing his fucking knees
>>507804939Based
>>507805449Automata and XV are kindred spirits According to one of the steam trackers that show player overlap, XV has the most player overlap with Nier Automata
>mfw Clive AND Noctis are great additions to Tekken and more advertising for Final Fantasy.FINAL FANTASY CHADS WE FUCKING WON!!!!
>>507805372>look guys this 1 livestreamer I cherrypicked didnt know himI guess we just need to conveniently ignore the fact that Max called out that it was Clive in Tekken just a few seconds in
>>507807369It's strange to me that anyone would come to /ffg/ without first making sure to watch all Max videos and streams
>>507803369Anything actually happened?
honestly for one thing xvi could've copied off xiv is roleplay quests, would've been better then some of the boring ass worldbuilding side quests but no way they're putting some actual budget in side quests other than hand them off to their interns.
>>507807885The /ffg/ meta is to find something he says that you agree with and use that as ammunition. On the other hand, if you're pushing a narrative and he does or says something that doesn't align with that view, don't draw attention to it and hope no one points it out something unfavorable. Unfortunately that bit gets harder the more people watch his content.
>>507807369Are you dumb? clive in tekken trailer showed it was ff16 related out the gate with 0 buildupthe surprise of the trailer is that its tekken, not that it was cliveff15 in tekken had a long buildup to the reveal it was a noctis reveal for tekken, the surprise of the trailer is that it's noctis
>>507748909She looks pretty here. In game she seemed a bit off
>>507809543Sometimes what he says is really, really important. Other times it doesn't matter at all. It's a little like sales and awards.
>>507810195yes, I'm aware there are two different types of reveals you can do, Smash alternated between these as well1 type is used in the likes of a Smash Direct / Tekken tournament where we already know what game it isthe other is used for cases like The Game Awards where multiple games are being showna trailer designed for the latter would fall flat in the former environment because the jig is immediately up
>>507804052shitch 2 wont even be able to play rebirth at 30fps. another dogshit nintendo console relegated to bad ports and worse spinoffs
>>507808982>Anything actually happened?https://x.com/aitaikimochi/status/1872547689206071590And no storyboard for optional side bitch.
>>507812517>>507812730whore
>>507812332That’s because of SE’s incompetence rather than the console’s fault.
>>507812745whore since 1993 (not 1997)
>>507778294All I think about Final Fantasy is that it is story and presentation first, gameplay second.If you want to enjoy FF, keep that mindset.
>>507796853Why do they always choose this image
>>507812938>>507812730>>507812517>>507801353>>507750285Why is she flaunting her armpits?
>>507747818>DMC Action >>> ATB shitThat's not an argument in favor of FFXVI because FFXXVI has none of those.
>>507740680I would've accepted the Eikons better if they did things to Clive's fundamental gameplay. At least as much as GoW Ascension's elements.I would've liked if your basic attack changed, but at least have different effects that are actually different in gameplay and not a different colored bullet. Garuda being quick fast attacks with the talons, slow, heavy fist attacks with Titan, some slow and graceful moves with Shiva, etc. Instead, we get one four hit combo, one gap closer, one charged fire blade, one downward slice in the air, one air combo. I'm not counting limit break or that one dodge accessory that changes the moveset for a few seconds.
>>507812451I'm shaking in my boots fr now tifabros.. what if that scene is actually in the game?
>>507812451Optional side bitch = Yuffie?
>>507794346No game does (non-edgy) story better than Final Fantasy.
>>507818174As someone who grew up playing Kingdom Hearts and loving Advent Children and with very little experience of games outside FF, I completely agree
>>507778294>>507813067True. That's why the 10/10 succeeded so well as the Ultimate Final Fantasy.
>>507769129Was it, though? Felt the same to me.
>>507777809But they're held by antagonists. And not in the same way Kain and Seifer are (which the latter was never playable anyways and only joins at the start and end). Hell I don't even think you can call Bahamut in XV except for one moment. Does that make it bad? Are you upset you can't summon Materia or whoever the CC goddess was in Remake?My gaiden idea was way better.>>507780341All the eikons are "summonable" via Clive.
>>507805738No, barry.
Does anyone have the yoshi p "did we though?" picture?
>>507820324You're welcome
>>507820459Thank you. I needed that image of him recently while winding up the council and couldn't find it.
>>507783587Could they have followed the older games instead?
>>507797148
>>507822141So there was a bump. I was told he'd just make a decline. Did /ffg/ lie to me?
why is it when you win with clive with rage art he goes: denying the inevitable as we always have and always will. i know that's ultima (dark ifrit) talking but like why did they use THAT line if you win? shouldn't we get a more heroic line?
>>507822501/ffg/ always liesXVI-kun is the only one here that speaks truth to power
>>507822705>denying the inevitable as we always have and always willIt's in reference to humanity's struggle against the blight and Ultima.
>>507822501T8 was on sale so there'd inevitably be a bump. Some reviews for the season pass became negative when he was revealed because they wanted a Tekken character for their season 1 final character.
>>507823193why would CLIVE say it though?
>>507827557Clive fights for humanity. Mankind will keep pushing forward to overcome any predetermine obstacle, whether that be Ultima, the Blight, slavery etc.Clive is the figurative and literal vessel of mankind's collective consciousness and strengths, just as Ultima is of his own kind's.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvXJmaMm4U0
>>507828761wtf are you on about
>>507828761>mirroring ultimaNever thought about it like that. I do know Ultima became more human-like (emotions) at the final battle, but wow.
>>507828761>>507829282Indeed. It's a pretty cool parallel.
>>507829567WHY WOULD CLIVE SAY THAT THOUGH? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ULTIMA WOUD SAY TO CLIVE
>>507740680I love the game and Clive but I don't give a shit about the dominants besides Clive, Joshua, and Dion and I wish they went the way they originally planned it with each having their own route. Clive would be Clive and Joshua would be some type of red mage while Dion would play as a dragoon. I wish I would care about Jill but they really made her into a character that can't exist without Clive so I am happy with her just tagging along besides him
>>507829835Because human will is the strongest thing in the world according to XVI, and because the value of life is in resisting tyranny via power of friendship and striving for freedom no matter the odds. Enjoy the slop, anon.
>>507829835I don't know how to explain it any better to you.In the simplest of terms, Clive is saying that he's going to keep fighting, even if it is ultimately hopeless. It's a rejection of Nihilism.To expand upon that...At the end, Ultima is all like "dude your world is cooked anyway good luck faggot"like saying the heat death of the universe is coming so it's all pointless anywayand Clive rejects that and says that humanity will keep fighting and living and fucking up because they're a bunch of retards in spite of whatever may come.It's a continuation of the battle of philosophies between Clive and Barnabas and the ultimate outcome.Just like in real life, talk-no-jutsu isn't going to change Ultima's mind, nor Clive's, so only the stronger will to survive prevails in the end.
>>507823193>>507828761>>507829282>>507830651finally some good posts
Turning off all stat gains in FF2. 12 hours in and without any grinding every character has 3k+ hp and 40+ in every stat.Buffs seem to stack and render any grinding unnecessary.
>>507830605Sounds kino
>>507828761>>507832128Indeed it is.XVI is peak Final Fantasy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3MxhAFnISk
>>507828761Chatgpt wrote this post
>>507833050So you've decided to shitpost instead of engaging in Final Fantasy discussion.It's no wonder why people don't discuss things earnestly here.
>>507820078Yes xvitroon
>>507830651>It's a rejection of NihilismUltima is not a nihilist.
>>50783378695% of /ffg/s users are just hammering refresh all day and not posting unless someone activates their botlike responses. They're here to preserve the "consensus", not to discuss. The moment you see one of these sad creatures posting, try to engage them in a genuine FF discussion. They won't. Never have and never will.
>>507831967Yeah, most buffs stack I believe.No stat gains sounds interesting though. Is that from gear or do you still gain stats regardless?
>>507833050Considering the amount of samefagging here, it's best to just leave this place for good, anon. A couple of "people" here keep replying to themselves and there's nothing you can do about it. The discussion here is dead, nothing can revive it.
>>507835804I'll talk about final fantasy with you anon. Which is your favourite and what topic would you like to discuss?
>>507836062I've written enough posts today, said and asked everything I wanted. And I don't have favourite FF, cultism is not for me.
>>507836642Oh, ok. See you tomorrow then.
>>507836802Not tomorrow. Maybe next week. Then again, it's better to take longer breaks and not go back at all. At least I'm sure I won't miss anything interesting.
