when did pokemon lose its soul?
you just posted it
>>57222380>loseLOL
>>57222380September 18 2010
>>57222384youd have to be a complete retard not to think pokemon peaked in gen2
Gen 6, but gen 5 was the beginning of the end. Inb4 zoomers pretending 3D can ever be soulful.
>>57222380gen 3
gen 4, but gen 3 was the beginning of the end. inb4 millenials pretending 3d cant ever be soulful
The introduction of the tran- I mean fairy type
>>57222380gen 2recovered a bit with RS, but immediately lost it again after playing HGSS and realizing they fixed none of johto's critical flaws. same shit dex (no a shitty pedometer gimmick and that ass backwards safari zone doesn't fix it), same shit enemy sets, same shit level scaling
>>57222380when zoomers, and more importantly, zoomer culture, became the primary basis for the franchise
ItT: pure, unmitigated millenial seethe
>>57222380gen 5
>>57222380Gen 5
>>57222380Gen 7 was full of SOVL, so gen 8.
gen5
>>57222380It lost the soul when Pikachu started talkingIt got it back when they muzzled it in Legends Arceus
gen 5
>gen fi-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gju6j3f2xTc
>>57222417It absolutely can be soulful but GF is grossly incompetent at it.
>>57222417>3D can't be soul-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V18JDdKv7LU&t=55s
>>57222413Just the opposite, actually. It's worse than Gen I even, in addition to Gen III and Gen IV.
>>57222482>>57222489>>57222499>>57222506why did it take so long for the real answer to get posted
>>57222510that song sucks and Emerald already had water reflections with clouds
>>57222600He meant to post route 10
>>57222601that song is severely overrated and not even anywhere close the best route theme in that game
March 22nd, 2011
>>57222597Tag me next time retardant >>57222594
>>57222417>Gen 6, but gen 5 was the beginning of the endthis
Gen 5
Gen 3, it lost the Pokemon Surge of the 90s/early 00s. That was the beginning of the end truly.
PLA reclaimed the soul but SV lost it once again
Gen V.
>>57222417I tried replaying X after doing a Platinum nuzlocke and holy shit it was jarring, it felt like I was playing some shit mobile game. I don't know why I had such nostalgia for it.On the other hand I started up a White playthrough since I skipped gen 5 and I've been pleasantly surprised. I'm actually invested in the story so far.
Whatever came after HGSS was fucking awful but I can't remember what it was. Some ugly ass pig starter.
>>57222641the surge was over by crystalif anything gen 3 revitalized the brand by showing it wasn't just a fad
Gen 8 with short and shield. Console release should have been the best thing for the series, but they either had incompetent employees that couldn't pull it off or a budget as tight as the 3DS games leading it to look like absolute shit. Scarlet/Violet was the worst the series has ever been
>>57222380Sun/Moon and Sword/Shield.Sun/Moon>no gym systemNo badge collecting either.>ultra beastsToo many legendaries as well. You already had cool legendaries like Mewtwo or Lugia, why complicate it further?Sword/Shield >no the National DexPart of the charm of Pokemon was always transferring your Pokemon from game to game, now you couldn't that for the first time since the franchise was created.>buggy graphics and animationsBreath of the Wild was a 2017 game and did the open world experience really well, it's baffling how Gamefreak couldn't do it considering their resources.>linear routesBack then routes meant an adventure, a challenge. You had to explore and think around a little. Now it was just a battle here and there and that's it.
>>57222705The Ultra Beasts are sick, they're like the one redeeming thing in Gen 7 where everything else is tropical shit, uglier Gen 1 mons and "tourist in Hawaii simulator"also they're not even technically Legendaries, Legendary bloat got way out of control ten years before that in Gens 4 and 5
gen 5, but gen9 renewed the soul
Generation five
>>57222641>it lost the Pokemon Surge of the 90s/early 00sthat was Gen 2, the DMC 2 of Pokemon
>>57222814>>57222805kek
Ok samefag it wasn't funny the first 10 times you posted it
>>57222817doesn't matter if it's funny, it's factual
>>57222817It will be as funny as long as there are seething borts
>>57222380>when did pokemon lose its soul?It never did. You just got older and became a grumpy old fart.
>>57222838What it's a bort
>>57222915A Unova fan
>>57223049uh oh bort meltie
>>57222913No, it definitely did. You're just a zoomer jealous and unable to accept the fact that you missed out on the golden age. Pure cope.
It's Gen 5 btw
Gen 6.Gen 5 was the last good gen and has the best Pokémon games that aren't Crystal, Platinum or HGSS.
>>57223092
>>57222589Why isn't she more popularThere could be ungabunga muscle mommy art and beep boop robot art
>>57222380Pokemon never lost its soul, we did.
Why did they do it?
discord thread
>Why did they do it?
>>57222380Pokemon never lost its soul, it just lost quality
>>57223110Coping with what? It's the first generation since 2 that improved on everything its predecessor did without taking steps back. Every generation after it and before it was worse.
>>57222510LMAO what a cringe shit for subhumans
>>57222510This sounds like shit.
>>57223162>>57223165>>57223161
>>57222510Dont bother anon, Yawnfag is working overtime after his canned shitty games were found out to have only half of the content it was meant to have.
>>57223169what is blud waffling about
>>57223171you must be 18 or older to post here.
https://poal.me/26yyajhttps://poal.me/26yyajhttps://poal.me/26yyaj
>>57223182pottery
>>57223211>botted poll/vp/ doesnt have activity to get 2 people to vote usually. Youre pathetic Yawnfag.
>>57223130>>57223129>>57223168Why are you so protective of a game called Blacked White?
THE ABSOLUTEFUCKINGSTATE
>>57223213I voted onceballots don't need to be stuffed for Gen V to lose polls
>>57222380gen 2 ruined pokemoni didn't delete this post
>>57223221>Round 1: Gen 6Thanks for proving my point?
>>57223222
>>57223224Nobody likes Unova's sistergen either
>>>57223130(You)>>>57223129(You)>>>57223168(You)>Why are you so protective of a game called Blacked White?theyre brothers
>>57223226And I guess nobody likes everything else that came after it either? since you know, it took 5 rounds for 5 to get eliminated and all
>>57223213>it's le hecking yawnfagImagine being so stupid and imbecile that you need a bogeyman to justify that your tastes are shit.
>>57223224was your point "I hate gen vi" or "nobody hates gen v"?
>>57223233You dont need to samefag so hard yawnie.>>57223236>botted poll with shillninja and outdated informationYou can do better than that.
>>57223226Correction: almost nobody *loves* Gen VI or feels so strongly in favor of it as compared to the other gens, but *also* nobody outright hates or particularly dislikes it other than borts, so it's natural that something so inoffensive would be high on the chopping block.Almost nobody claims Gen VI was excellent, but rather adequate.
>>57223230Zoomer botting
>>57223245Would be the opposite since most of the boomer games made it to the final rounds dumbass.
>>57223239>subhuman tranovabort continues living in his fantasy worldLMAO you are pathetic
>>57223260Its hard to keep up with your zoomer gibberish retorts, can you speak proper english?
>>57223250that just goes to show fans of the real games outnumber even unovabort zoomer botnets
>>57222380when Gamefreak decided to make fags wearing fursuits instead of monsters
>>57223265what are you, a retard and a newfag?nothing there is incomprehensible
>>57223270>real fans>Gen 2 and 1 making it as high as they did
to everyone saying gen 5...don't worry guys, everyone has their own opinion, and should be respected!anyway, personally i really love gen 5, BW1 is my favorite game of all timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz6_KXQHZ_0
>>57222380When you grew up.
>>57223282based
>>57223282>xhe said, typing through tears
>>57223282Based, speaking of I feel N's Champion theme isnt talked about enoughhttps://youtu.be/O0ajBL15Knk
>>57223303I agree it's gorgeous, there's also this official remix that's pure kino. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyqmfJnuo3w
>>57223290>he wrote, shit-stained fingers leaving smears on his keyboard, feeling better about himself on account of his opinion on a game designed for five-year-old children
The gens that gets the most mentions here is the most soulful, actually.
Gen Z really like their degenerate versions of Pokémon, I played all the newer Pokemon games and the Pokémon designs are cringe honest to god I have no idea what they were thinking over there, it feels as if they are just pumping out new Pokémons without putting soul or logic behind it. What made the first gens also better is because they had a Pokémon TV series running along with it together with movies, I remember getting a mewtwo card from going to the cinema, and the designs back then actually made sense.And these layers they added come on, adding crystalisation, ''mega'' evolutions (lol) and shiny pokémon all on top on all these already poor designs, oof man big L.It looks to me they were clueless and wanted to milk out a franchise so they just came up with random shit.Wish we would just get earlier gen remakes, real remakes.
>>57223331I never heard this, thread was worth it for this alone
>>57223332>>57223339Coping overload
>>57223344We literally just had DP and Kanto remakes anon, and they were shit. There will be no more good Pokémon games, remakes or not.
>>57223347
>>57223347your opinion is valuable and constructive
Why do Unova fans have such a superiority complex? They're the new genwunners.
>>57223371gen 5 is their gen 1 so they think they're genwunners innit
>>57223371Sometimes, youre just objectively correct. No worries though, someone is remaking Kanto in the Gen 5 Engine, as well as Hoenn, hopefully that will bring up other competing gens to the same level
>>57223371I first played gen 1 in 1998 and although my favorite Pokémon designs are mostly in that generation I think gen V is the peak of the series.The only one here with the superiority complex is the autist spamming cope posts to anyone who likes gen V.
Holy fuck Unova can't stop winning.
>>57222589Extremely soulless, figuratively and literally.
>>57222380HG/SS/Platinum is the best Pokemon ever was and you all know it.
>>57222589God, this game looks so ass, I still can't believe it. I'm playing Digital Devil Saga right now, it's 20 years old and has the same quality graphics and better art direction. People blame Switch hardware but this game would look just as ass on the PS5, maybe it'd run slightly better.
>>57223487->"save to files"->no GUID filename->hides the iphonefagging->continue samefagging as the guatemalan neet spic you are
>>57222417ThisBut gen 5 is good still. In fact the backlash against BW is what killed the franchise.
>>57223497Get her ass
built for bbc123456built for bwc789
>>57222380Why is OPs image so soulless??
>>57223514Johtimmy is inherently a soulless region
>>57223510As you can see , all the sovl was losted after 6
>>57223497Lol what? You're not even correct. What a fucking dweeb.
>>57223525Why are you so fucking fat woman(male) and have faggy hello kitty stickers on your phone ?
>>57223525He got yo fucking ass, Jaunita
What is 'soul'?
>>57223487FRLG, Emerald, HGSS, Platinum, BW, and BW2 is all you could ever need from Pokemon
Any of the games withoutv a skin picker selection offer optino is dogshit .
>>57222380>All the shitty, genwar answers and none is correct.The Soul of Pokemon died with opening of TPC and even more specifically in 2001 when TPC expanded outside of Japan and started controlling all Pokemon-related publications. No more comfy magazines with questionable trivia and quirky third-world merch. Everything was cut from the same cloth, targeting "general audience" and focusing only on generating profits for yellow rat.
>>57222380Gen 1
>>57223555bring back fat pikachu
When can /vp/ finally admit everything after G / S / G is negrophile trash. Cute cute Espeon ^_^!
>>57223590You got fat Pikachu in Swooshie, are you happy?
Why are gen5 fans so sensitive?
>>57223606No, gigantamax is a stupid feature, just like Z-moves and terastrialization. Mega evolution as well, but only retroactively, it would've been fine if it'd been built on in later games.
>>57223221But Gen 5 was one of the last to be eliminated. Can you not read your own image?
>>57222589>LET'S HAPHAZARDLY SLAP SPIKES AND HAIR ALL OVER THE OLD MONS AND CALL IT A DAY, THEN WE'LL PRETEND THEY QUALIFY AS NEW POKEMONyou have done nothing except prove that anon right, this is fucking lazy and soulless. paradox mons are proof of that. they were a fucking mistake
>>57223555This.But also - The "soul" of Pokemon died with us stopping being easily excitable kids with vivid imaginations and plenty of free time to waste on daydreaming. We are busy, cynical, poisoned by modern society wrecks believing that a shitty product can fill the void in our hearts if it will be "good enough" as if we did not had fun just with sticks, stones, paper and some crayons when everything had "soul".
>>57222380Pokemon was always a fad of the dotcom era, just like Beanie Babies, pogs, boy bands, and the American middle class. Once Pokemania was over, so was the soul of Pokemon. The one-two punch of the Satanic Panic and gen 2's overall mediocrity killed it.
>>57223616Zoomer Unovabortions are the most united and unanimous cohort in the entire franchise. Even boomers are split between being kantykes or johtoddlers.It doesn't matter much if people outside your demographic don't support your cause if there is virtually no dissent within your demographic.
>>57223675>We are busy, cynical, poisoned by modern society wrecks speak for yourself.
>>57223499>the backlash against BWI still think the "backlash" was literally just a hoax. 80% of the people talking about gen 5 back in the day were just whinning about genwunners that don't like the games, while barely anyone actually complained about the gen. Try to give me more than 5 instances of a popular posts of someone shitting on gen 5 and saying the older games were better. You literally can't. That's what made really fucking hate unovafags. They're a just a bunch of fanboys with victim complexes.
Galar but they soon recovered with Legends and we are back on track
>>57222700They never thought the Switch was gonna take off and were hoping to keep developing for 3DS. They weren't ready for the Switch's success. Once there was all this backlash at LGPE, remember Ishihara made an emergency announcement that "yes a new mainline Switch game is coming". 3D development was hard enough for them, but HD? They werent ready and it shows lol. At least they got some experience with the past two games and are seemingly waiting before rushing into a new game but still, it feels like they're not ready for yet another increase in graphical integrity even if the jump should be less drastic
>>57223801as a unovafag i never gave af about what other people though, let people enjoy what they want, but iirc the backlash was mostly about the designs (you know, the usual vanillite/trubbish complaints), so for 15 years the average discussion was>unova bad because trashbag!>no! kanto was also like thisit's a never ending cycle
>>57223801Gaslighting 101
>>57223647boo hoo nigga
>>57224026iron bundle is a bit better than the rest
>>57222380when you grew up
>>57223809>hoping to keep developing for 3DSwhy would they develop for a dead console? these schizo fanfics make no sense
>>57222589>Al Sadawtf since when did Sada become a muslim?
>>57222589I liked this part a lot
>>57223827>(you know, the usual vanillite/trubbish complaints)Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Most people were complaining about genwunners that didn't like the ice cream and trash pokemon and spamming pics like >>57223990, even though said genwunners were almost nonexistent. Like I said, try to find actual posts from the past of people whinning of how shit gen 5. The best I was able to find was someone's top worst pokemon list on youtube that had a lot of gen 4 and 5 pokemon in it.
>>57222380When they stopped using water colors and when they stopped making the Pokémon art look like safari illustrations.
>>57224542Dude! I've been saying this forever! Pokemon use to have this cool African safari feel to it. It's just completely gone now. These games use to make me feel like the crocodile hunter.
>>57222380Never did
>>57222380Very large drop in gen 3, a slight further dip in gen 4, then from 5 onwards it began its massive descent into the Marianas trench
>>57222417It's not the 3D that's the problem.
>>57223732I'm a 45 year old man and I liked the DS era more than anything else. I started with Gen 1 as well.
>>57222589My only beef with this part is that we spend like zero time with the professor. Would've been great if she had been apart of the journey more so it felt like a genuine betrayal
>>57224506When she decided she didn't want rights or freedoms
>>57222380I think gen 5 was the turning point.They pivoted to a more modern, urban and edgy atmosphere and aesthetic with BW and it lost the classic whimsical feeling (soulfulness) of the Pokemon universe and it never came back after that.
>>57223534Thing i like from childhood
>>57226290In that case, Gen 1
>>57223534Something that developers do because they care about making a great game, adding lots of "useless" details (meaning ones they weren't forced to include to make the game work) that enrich the game and make you feel like they’re not just doing the bare minimum because the game needs to be released
The games themselves fluctuate in "soul" (i.e., quality and passion), but the franchise itself has been on a downward spiral since Gen 5, mainly due to greed. Gen 5 introduced shiny locks, and then Gen 6 locked pokemon transfer behind a subscription wall.
>>57226483>Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, USUM>not greed>BW2, shiny locks>GREEEEEEEEED
>>57226521>teh epic greentext strawmanz111!!!Third-versions were greed, but the series set a precedent for them since the start, and they involved *adding* content.Shiny locks and paywalling poke transfer *remove* content and then only make it available through events and DLC. Obviously the series has been commercialised to hell and back since the anime released, but Nintendo push the envelope more and more every year. There's pokemon gacha now.
>>57226483>shiny locksHard to imagine something more soulless than Shiny hunting
>>57226469In that case, it's hard to pin point. Maybe Sword and Shield? All the games before have tiny details that didn't need to be added.
>>57226751yeah, i think gen 8 was the real downfall
>>57223555>genwar answers in a genwar threadno fucking way
>>57224542>>57224565interesting perspective but I'm a hoennbaby so I've never felt or seen it this way.
we were on a soul train until it got derailed with gen 5
>>57223510How can anyone argue against this
>>57222380people I know started dropping it after Gen 3. tried to convince them to come back but they disliked the concept of having a Pokémon god.
>>57227418I'd say it's closer to 6 or 8.
>>57227971I'd say it's closer to 5.
Soul is a social construct or something
>>57225982I dont really agree with your point. If anything BW feels the most whimsical of all the Pokemon games especially with the effort they put into the music imo, there's something really magical about music that changes when you walk or run, talk to NPCs, or even at different seasons, its beautiful. Masuda's specialty was music and he really put his soul into that, no game before or after ever followed through with this and Its like part of the franchise's soul was lost then
