Schumann Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyjZPKJ-AtI>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>121465155
For me it's the piano quartet op. 47. Or actually, it's probably Dichterliebe op. 48. Or is it Gesange der Fruhe op. 133?I just love Schumann so fucking much!!
>>121514560There are some days when his idiosyncratic rhythms don't sound appealing to me for whatever reason, but lately I have not been experiencing that, and I've been loving his music again. The piano trios, the piano works like Davidsbündlertänze and Kreisleriana, the symphonies, and of course the piano quartet and quintet.
now playing (the piano quartet)
That Seinfeld episode has me fugged up: is it Schu-mann as in 'Man' or 'Mon/M-ahn?'
>>121515004Hello…Schumann
>>121515004What Seinfeld episode mentions Schumann? The only classical pieces mentioned are Eine Klein Nachtmusik in The Maestro and the Waldstein Sonata in the episode where George is dating a pianist.
>>121515904master of the house, keeper of the inn…
>>121515951Oh, I thought that was a showtune
>>121515904Also it's Marriage of Figaro not Eine Klein Nachtmusik
now playing>>121515904>>121515426>>121515951How is it pronounced tho?
>>121515426Also I just now got the joke while pacing around my room and thinking about your post. Haha that's funny.
I am going to listen to every one of the last 300 Mozart works
>>121516766listen to all of them period.if you haven't heard every single Haydn Mozart and Bach work are you really a classical fan?
>>121517130Yes, I don't want to listen to the work of a six year old
>>121517130Also what about Beethoven?
>>121517166has a much higher percentage of subpar works in his ouvre than the other 3
>>121517322completely braindead
who do you think best sung Mozart's Et Incarnatus Est?
>>121517610https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys0tx6Xd5Mo
I am loving this so much. I had only heard the Emerson recording of the AoF arranged for string quartet before and thought theirs was the only rendition of it in that form until the other day when I decided to try looking up to see if there were others, and oh man am I glad I did.
>>121517844are you a real person or just a botnot complaining btw
now playing (string quintet 3)>>121517961:(I like to think I'm real! Why, what did I say or do to make you ask that?
Varg Vikernes about the Early Norwegian Scene gathering in Helvete(direct quotation):>Turns out that, pretty much everybody were so-called "racist", they were anti-immigration, they were pro-nationalist, we cultivated this
>>121518059not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
a Bach cantata a day keeps the Glenn Ghoul away! now playing BWV 69.
Favorite prokofiev 5? Do you prefer anything to prokofiev 5?
>>121518590thank you HIPster sister>>121518882excellent question slave virtuososlop worshipper
>>121518882I'm gonna try out more interpretations, but the other day I heard Ozawa and I thought it was really good. I've also heard Karajan, which was good, and Ormandy, which was excellent, if I remember both correctly. Might try the Ormandy again today.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdLSKxVKiyg
One day all the old /classical/ tripfags will come back and save us from these pseuds
>>121519002Enlighten us then, anon.
>>121518882>>121518969O actually I'mma give Previn a try.
>>121519002so true tripster sister
>>121515951>>121515966It is it's from Les Miserable
>>121518059Kek this person is a bot >>121518118and this person probably
>>121518590Not to be confused with Johann Sebastian Blackedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONc4sSXuQUY&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fboards.4chan.org%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title
>>121519435not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>121519492lmao jesus christ. dont respond to my posts ever again or i'll call the cops and have my mom call your mom and you'll get in trouble.
>>121519624No comment on my post about the string quartet version of the Art of Fugue, autist-anon? You usually have something to say about Bach.
what's the best recording of the firebird and why
>>121519002>Implying I give enough of a fuck to btfo /pol/cel teenagers
>>121519769Isao Tomita
LOL who the fuck thought this was a good idea? inb4 Albrechtsberger didhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GQLHwBYY7g
>>121519742
>>121519923>0:59
Who is his favorite composer?
>>121519923No worse than Haydn's Toy Symphony
>>121520607Brahms
Why do you people listen to classical music? I recently started listening to classical music, I want to know your reasons why you do it?
>>121520714It sounds good. Non-classical music, for the most part, just got boring for me.
>>121520607Apparently he doesn't like musichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU3JU3u5diU
I found another Mozart Quintet. No surprises here, just your standard arrangement for a quintet....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8njeKyBv2w
>>121520714That's like asking "why do you listen to music?". The obvious answer is that we like it.I assume you're asking because you don't like it. But how can you not be moved by Moonlight Sonata, at the very least? It's the most beautiful piece of music ever made
>>121521594
>>121521633Stay filtered I guess. Pleb.
>>121521665Nta but Moonlight Sonata isn't the most beautiful piece ever and you are actually a pleb for thinking so.
>>121521678>Moonlight Sonata isn't the most beautiful piece everIt objectively is, though.>and you are actually a pleb for thinking so.>no u!
>>121521703Try to branch out some and lurkmoar
>>121521594>>121521665>>121521703absurdly moronic
>>121520714>Why do you people listen to classical music? I want you to take an hour and a half of your time and listen to this all the way through. that should explain things, at least for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7116asiGmI
>>121521734>Try to branch out someI have. Moonlight Sonata is as beautiful as it was when I first listened to it 20 years ago. And that wasn't even the point of my post, I was trying to help out a beginner. Stop bitching will ya?
>>121521768totally braindead
>>121521768It doesn't even have much of a melody to it. The slow movement of the pathetique is far more beautiful to me, just taking from Beethoven's piano repertoire alone.
>>121521977Whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChoTngdCWfI
The Elgar piano quintet
>>121519769https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK02bKklV28
Yuja Wang
>>121521977C'mon Beethoven don't be too hard on yourself , it's not that bad, it's certainly not pathetic. Most people don't even write one OP let alone 13
>>121522997Based piano gook
>>121521134who the fuck doesn't like music
>>121522997>>121523190
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRX3iDgx3Ms
>>121523364>ywn make sweet, passionate love to Yuja on top of a Steinway
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJuzUndzZfM
>>121523545Stop posting this minutiae of AI slop
>>121523351Rap fans
>>121523186What? Autism meds!
>>121523190Feet
>>121523621
>>121522997>>121523190>>121523468>>121523621thank you coomers
>>121523729idgi, she's so plain and ugly
>>121523842She cute
>>121523910She looks like a young Xi Xingping in drag
>>121523842>>121523926Thank you. Zoomer coomers generally have pretty mid taste in women already but Yuja is just embarrassing.
>>121523729>>121523910thank you braindead coomer
>>121516766this makes me want to know, are there any online resources for exploring a composer's entire output chronologically? it would be great if you could have a list of everything in estimated chronology with easy links to recordings sheet music etc. really you could put everything on imslp in a big timeline. someone make this please>>121521977dude it's like the last piece of music to criticize for a lack of melody. yeah it's really lacking as it is, it just needs more of a tune over it. people have been shitting on moonlight since the last thread for not being "serious enough". now you're telling me this "serious music" is all about melody, that's rich
>>121514308any classical album compilations someone would recommend? i’m trying to listen to various compositions.
>>121523729>>121523190must...worship...feet...
>>121526309https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=fJZ0LtIISX9XPtiS
>>121526343thank you tranime porn addict sister
>>121521594>I assume you're asking because you don't like itWhy would you assume that?>>121521755I still don't know why you like listening to classical music.
>>121526309you gotta be more specific than that. but really the best 'compilations' are gonna be collected works of a great musician, eg fournier or du pre or kempff or grumiaux, or conductor
>>121526376There is nothing wrong with porn addiction.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=zBl4f2sUCf4&si=qv8ca_Gyjruqwryp
>>121526787not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead, tranime porn addict sister?
i still cant figure out if i actually like classical music
Damn this thread is Lento
what's up with the guy obsessed with the moonlight sonata it's like the third thread I see this shit in
>>121528823https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdky4L2LfI
>>121528905I'm very familiar with the work, but that doesn't answer my particular question
>>121528905https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0cB5ewhjf1EOld Jew triggered by based Glen
>>121529334Funny you should say that given the fact that Glenn Gold is in fact Jewish, despite what he may say to the contrary. No, I don't think anyone in their right mind ought believe that a man named Gold isn't Jewish. My father raised me better than that.
>>121529439Well he wasn’t Jewish though
>>121529458Jews have a propensity for spreading deceit and lies.
>>121529334>Glen>basedHe's the shittiest pianist of all time. Bernstein is too soft with his words.
>>121520714Because it sounds good and eventually I realized that it's peak music.
Marquezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ynC1RB3kY
>>121520714It's unpredictable and avoids repeating elements.
>>121530864That's not essential a good thing
>>121520714Drowns out the intrusive thoughts
>>121531084Predictability is generally less interesting. Classical music has a much more interesting structure than any other music. And, again, it just sounds good.
>>121530864>>121531208This is one of reason I like it
The Grieg 2nd violin sonata just grabs my heartstrings and dances with them in powerful, joyous ways.
>>121531208I love classical music, I'm not the anon you originally replied to, but I disagee. Predictability, hypnotic repetition or basic motifs sometimes works much better for some songs, but mostly in other genres. I enjoy music depending on mood, sometimes predictability is what I need.On the side note, I usually enjoy classical pieces I'm already familiar with more than something new. Maybe it's just me.
>>121531372Of course, I didn't mean that predictability is inherently bad, just, on the whole, less interesting, and sometimes you want something a bit more complex and interesting.And agreed, but I think familiarity is different than banality in predictable music.
>>121526152Hum it on vocaroo
>>121531084but it's a reason the people who like it, like it.
I never have a bad day because I start each and every day with a Bach cantata.
I never have a bad day because I start each and every day with a profound dilation of my soul as I meditate upon the Lohengrin prelude.
>>121532317aiight anon i'll try it your waynow playing
>>121532317>Profound dilation So true wagnersister
>>121532390kek i had the same side-eye, double-take reaction to that phrasing too
One of the very few problems with starting out with the Big Three is it sets up your expectation that every other quality composer must be similarly prolific. This guy only wrote two violin sonatas? Where's his cello works? Only a couple things for solo piano? etc.Takes a bit to adjust after that initial period of repeat disappointment.
>>121532198Not really. At least not everyone.
>>121532507Bach, Beethoven and Bmozart?
>>121532573I didn't say the Three B's! But yes :p
Brahms >>> Beethoven > Mozart
>>121532507Like, even Brahms falls victim to this unrealistic level of expectation. Only four symphonies? Only three piano sonatas, two piano concertos? Five total cello and violin sonatas? What a chump.
>>121532611>>121532507>Only four symphonies? Only three piano sonatas, two piano concertos? Five total cello and violin sonatas?And still better than vast majority of the "big 3's" ocean of material. This is simple quality over quantity.
>>121532611>Only three piano sonatasThis is pretty unrepresentative since the majority of Brahms' piano pieces aren't called sonatas.
>>121532654I'm trying to persuasively make a point, anon!>>121532645Brahms is probably my current favorite as well, and I could somewhat agree on a 1:1 basis for a lot of the forms, like I would take the 2nd piano concerto over any one of Beethoven's, but Beethoven's 5 are as a group more impressive than the 2.
Finally listened to Shostakovich's Piano Concerto No. 1 and it is so fuckin' good.
>>121529334>>121529458thank you gould ghoul>>121532317>>121532343thank you wagnersisters
>>121532872>gould ghoulThat's actually a kinda badass name
Who would win in a 1v1 brawl, an average Wagnersister or an average Gould Ghoul
>>121532915insanely retarded
>>121532611>Brahms>Only three piano sonatasThose are early works anyway and hardly worth hearing. The good stuff for solo piano are his "late" piano pieces opp. 116 - 119.Some of his best music is to be found in the choral works (with and without orchestra).
>>121532696>but Beethoven's 5 are as a group more impressive than the 2How so? Beethoven's first two pno ctos are almost embarrassingly bad and best forgotten. Number 3 is charming enough, but only nos. 4 & 5 are masterpieces.
>>121532956potato pylons
>>121533053You don't think the third one, op.5, is good? I need to go through his choral music still. I grabbed a recording the other day but have yet to listen to it. Any particular favorites, ones that I should particularly keep an ear out for?>>121533107I like 'em but it's besides the point anyway, substitute it out for any of the other forms where the same thing applies. I'm just saying it was a bummer when I first discovered how fewer music he wrote comparatively, only to then learn it was more that the Big Three were the exceptions and part of what makes them so divine.
>>121532609I like to think if Mozart would've lived to see the early romanticism he would gave us pieces as great as those of Beethoven. But we can't deny the groundshaking genius of Beethoven who gifted the humankind the pinnacle of music. (Yes 9th is the culmination of all music Wagnersisters, Mhalhersisters and Brucknersisters) Music ended with Beethoven.
>>121533171He already did give us pieces greater than Beethoven's
>>121533141nonsense as always>>121533171inferior to the missa solemnis and the late string quartets
>>121533266Musicaly speaking, ofcourse 9th is inferior to those, but music is inherently human, and we shall not forget to weight the human impact the 9th had, and has to this day. Thing that the Missa Solemmnis and late string quartets do not accomplish. Is the lightness of 9th that make it so great. Anyone can sit and appreciate it's beauty, like any other masterpiece, menwhile, listening to Missa Solemnis and late quartets, certain culture and formal knowledge are required for the listener to enjoy them. (Also Missa S. Has been far criticized for it's almos instrumental vocals)>>121533199That's certainly arguable anon, would love to hear an exaple of yours!
>>121533353The 16th quartet, the fifth quintet, the last two symphonies, the clarinet quintet, the list goes on.
>>121533353irrelevant and retarded
>>121533168>Any particular favorites, ones that I should particularly keep an ear out for?Nanie, Schicksalslied, Deutsches Requiem, 3 Motetten op. 110
>>121533512Damn, never even heard of the ones aside from the Requiem. Thanks.
>>121533171the 9th isn't even Beethoven's best piece at least 3 string quartets are much better
>>121533713*at least 6 string quartets + the last 3 piano sonatas + the missa solemnis
>>121532645>And still better than vast majority of the "big 3's" ocean of materialnot in a vigintillion years
>>121533171yes>>121533266no>>121533353no>>121533463no>>121533713>>121533725aaaaand no.
>>121533746utterly braindead
>>121533746Beethovenfags...
9th alone is better than all the rest of Beethoven, Bach and Mozart.... Combined.
>>121533814the 9th symphony ended world hunger
Favorite recording(s) of Beethoven's 9th?
the 9th symphony made me walk again...
>>121533814>>121533831>>121533849quite embarrassing
>>121533844Hans Schmidt-Isserstedt
Even Beethoven knew the 9ths finale was a failure.
H ector Berlioz (1803-1869) intends to write “freely under the influence of his will alone”, music “made to express emotions, feelings”, even if it means tracing its path “like a red cannonball, whistling, shattering and burning.” Borrowed from Goethe, Virgil, Byron or Shakespeare, the heroes who populate his imagination are consumed with exaltation, struggling with fate. This cantor of romanticism colors his orchestra with audacity and extravagance. He drapes Weber's “rondo brilliant” for pianoforte with Aufforderung zum Tanz , and adorns the noise of an Orgy of bandits in Harold in Italy . The frenzied dizziness of the Roman Carnival (which originally opened Act II of his opera Benvenuto Cellini ) announces, in Romeo and Juliet , the first distant rumor then the brilliance of the Great Party at Capulet's house . Choirs of students, soldiers or drinkers, all teeming with life, alternate with tender confessions in the form of serenades, dreamy pastorals. Listen, for example, to the Farewell of the Shepherds in The Childhood of Christ , which boasts a delicious archaism. Berlioz celebrates greatness and collective fervor. It is the “ Immense Nature ” that Doctor Faust invokes, the mountain where the “Scenes of melancholy, happiness and joy” resonate in Harold in Italy . It is the “sacred love of the homeland” which raises a Marseillaise redesigned in 1830 with the assent of Rouget de Lisle, or the colossal spatialized Requiem for the ship of the Invalides. The outbursts of passion are reversed by abysses of melancholy: the March to torture and the Dream of a Sabbath night paint, in the Fantasy , the artist's nightmare. Equally appalling is the Gothic vision of hell on which The Damnation of Faust closes . Death looms over the neurotic ride of the Alder King . Etc.
>>121533844Munch btw
>>121533862>>121533958close but no cigar
>>121533866Source?
>>121533965Then?
>>121533979>Beethoven seems to have had some doubts about his decision to introduce a vocal finale into the symphony. His student Carl Czerny reported that, well after the premiere, the composer told some of his close friends that he felt he had made a mistake in doing so and that he wanted to eliminate the finale and substitute a purely instrumental movement in its place. He claimed already to have musical ideas for a new movement, but for unknown reasons, he never wrote it or replaced the original version
>>121533862>>121533958Thank you hisster sisters
>>121534022>unknown reasonsThe 'unknown reasons': "I was just joking, the vocal part was the best thing I wrote."
>>121533814Cute opinion but only slightly less dumb than the guy who thought the Moonlight Sonata was the best piece is ever.
>>121533814Oh bliss! Bliss and heaven! Oh it was gorgeousness and gorgeousity made flesh
>>121534084Cringe as fuck. What's with the invasion of angsty Beethoven teenagers all of a sudden?
>>121534063>>121534084really just embarrassing
>angsty Beethoven teenagersMore like people with taste
>>121534117Thank you Ludwig Van brother
>>121534117If you genuinely think the 9th symphony or any single movement of it is better than Heiliger Dankgesang, you can kindly leave my bulletin board
If you didn't witness a historically informed performance by lifelong professionals in person and not through some audio recording, you DID NOT by any stretch of the imagination listen to the music.
Plowed Debussy
Mozart Erected the Form of Music so that Wagner could provide the Orgasm.
>>121533844Abendroth
>>121534299Is that related to your 'profound dilation?'
>>121534302incredibly foul, hisster sister>>121534299thank you wagnersister
Mozarts clarinet concerto is the best concerto ever written
>>121534428https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk33RWqm9OQyeah
>>121534541Oom pah oom pah oom pah oom pah!
Got a 2 week free trial on my YouTube Music account for 'premium' because I downloaded the app on my phone, so I can now listen to my music in 256kps and no longer 128! After it runs out, there is another one month regular trial I can activate, so that's a total of a month and a half of free premium.
Damn, that sounds so much better!
>>121535145Use brave browser, it's that shrimple.
>>121535246The adblock on Opera blocked the ads on my computer already. If you mean for my phone, I already do. I downloaded the app because I heard it would give the 2 week trial.
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>>121533814>If its famous, it must be HECKIN goodAway to reddit with you.>>121533898Shhhhhh, be quiet and don't tell them about Berlioz. He only deserves to be adored by the aristocratic few.
>>121535680>it is famous, it cannot be great!Unfathomably cringe.
>>121535805Ok. Which movement do you enjoy the most?
>>121535846Does it even need to be said? I don't think so.
Some nice stuff by this guy
>>121535956The 2nd Movement?
>>121535278Trial of what? What features are you expecting?
>>121536419see: >>121535145a trial of YouTube Music premium which enables the feature of increasing the music quality from the default 128kps to 256.
>The point of recapitulation in the first movement of the Ninth is one of the most horrifying moments in music, as the carefully prepared cadence is frustrated, damming up energy which finally explodes in the throttling murderous rage of a rapist incapable of attaining release.
>>121536482the person who wrote this was some non-musicologist feminist cunt whose first real exposure to the ninth was in a clockwork orange, lol. very safe to discard her uninformed opinion.
>>121536454Oh, I never really care that much about audio fidelity but that does sound good.
>>121536517I'm not too picky about it, after all I've been listening to it like this for a while now just fine, but when upgrading from 128 to 256 it is a dramatic, noticeable rise in quality. Once at that point, 320 isn't really that big of a deal to care about, although if given the option I'll choose it like when downloading music, and FLAC I've never saw the benefit of outside of archiving to ever bother with it.
>>121536396...would have been the right answer if he was an aristocrat, but he is a redditor so it would be the most overrated and repeated 4th movement aka Ode to Joy.
The second mvt is better than the fourth mvt. Much much better.
>>121536666Wasted digits on le contrarian shitpost
>>121532390>>121532416Yes that is the joke, congratulations on seeing it.
>>121536840Sorry, it's also the exact kind of thing a wagnersister would say in earnest.
>>121536862No, it's not. The W./Wagner orgasm meme poster has been going for like a year. Either you're completely new or for some reason really badly want to believe people who listen to Wagner are sex perverts.
Karajan seems like a safe first choice for any piece where one has no prior knowledge of which recording to select. Are there any composers or music he does an outright poor job?
>>121536695What does American Psycho have to do with this?
>>121536840>>121536980Thank you wagnersister
>>121536986Beethoven. No cap
>>121537063:O
>>121536986idk but he has my favorite Schumann 4
>>121537238Agreed!
>>121536986not much, just beethoven, haydn, mozart, wagner, brahms, schumann, bach, and mahler
>>121537267You're just being silly.
>>121537286you’re just being retarded
>>121537464Well, that's just rude.
>>121537471well, you’re just stupid
>>121532507>>121532611that's why Dvorak's such a chad
>>121537667I thought he didn't really write anything for solo piano but turns out I was wrong. They any good?
>>121537708I'll be honest I'm not familiar with his solo piano work either but I'd assume they're worth checking out considering how good most of his string quartets and piano trios/quartets/quintets are.
now playing>>121537755Haha fair assumption. I'll check them out later this week.
for me it's Debussy.Claire de lune is overplayed, but Reverie warms my soul, i'm forever stuck as a pianocuck
>>121523842>>121523910who's the hottest female pianist? bonus points for talent
>>121538728excellent question coomer
>>121538728>female>talentbeing hot (and staying hot for as long as they can manage) IS their talent
>>121539334so true coomer
>>121520714I have no discernible talent or value to society do I chose to develop a taste for something that would let me feel superior to those around me.
Borodinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ8quMO4srk
>>121516766100 Opuses towards my goal. I had of course heard many of the pieces and many of them were short dances and because of their sameness, I skip over them now; clearly perfunctory efforts to put food on the table. The trio in E major is an absolute gem but the 5th Quintet is insane in it's harmonic language.
>>121520714i like that these works have stood the test of time and been enjoyed across multiple generations.i'm connecting with people across time as i enjoy them. i can't enjoy modern music knowing in 10 years it's highly likely no one's going to be connecting with it.
>>121517130You can't listen to every Bach piece of you have any kind of outside life, there are over 1000 opii
>>121539943idk man I'm in college and have an active social life and I've heard damn near every Bach and Mozart work
>>121539508now playing
Kovacevich is pretty great! Love his Schubert, listening to his Brahms and Beethoven now.
Geythoven
np>>121542092tru
I like this, it's like if Philip Glass was cool
>>121542442not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>121541936he has the best Diabellis too
>>121543212cannot believe that hurwitz actually recommended arrau’s boring ass diabellis over both kovacevichs.
>>121543294>can't believe Hurwitz has shit tasteyou had to learn sometime I guess
>>121543316the scary part is, it wasn’t even really his recommendation. it was his claim for the “reference” diabellis, the supposed de facto recording for people interesting in learning the work, except i’ve never ever heard anyone even mention arrau’s diabellis in passing. i hear brendel’s (also horrible, by the way) live recording mentioned far more often; at least that one would have made sense as a “reference”, but when have you ever heard anyone on a forum or any guide or article recommend arrau’s diabellis? it’s really bizarre. he did the same thing with the missa solemnis, where his “reference” pick was, of all people, bernstein. it’s not even his favorite missa solemnis (szell), but for some reason in his mind it’s somehow the more highly regarded recording in the critical eye than the klemperer that people never shut up about. is he just out of touch or is there something i’m missing?
>>121543366I think he's unfamiliar with those works and just picks a random famous name thinking it will be a safe assumption of a reference recording
>>121543428ok but how do you fuck up the missa solemnis of all things? like, a cursory google search will show a near unanimous recommendation for klemperer, even from sites/critics/posters who prefer other recordings. how on earth did he manage to end up with bernstein? it’s like recommending the karajan ring cycle as the “reference” over the solti. does he live under a rock?
>>121543651he's just Jewish
>>121543953an unsatisfactory answer, wignat sister
>>121544166he's Jewish and dumb so he recommends Bernstein who's also Jewish over Klemperer. Seems logical
>>121544204…klemperer is also jewish, wignat sister. you didn’t think this one through.
>>121544166thank you libtard sister
More like this? Slow expressive shit I mean, I dislike when classical is too ''bombastic'' and wankery if that makes sensehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUORBCz0LBA
>>121543366His viewpoint is very American - which is funny because he always accuses British critics (Gramophone) of being too focused on British artists, and he's basically doing the same with American orchestras and conductors.The whole "Reference Recording" thing is pretty stupid anyway, what's the point if they are not even among the best or no longer the best. It's a waste of time.
>>121544204Bernstein was Jewish and gay. Much like a certain critic.
Chamber music is so fucking overrated here it's depressing.Symphonies, Sonatas and especially Concertos are always much better.
>>121546050Why would you willingly out yourself as a plebeian??
Imagine selling your soul over this bombastic garbage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rxl5KsPjs
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>>121546276>over this bombastic garbage.What a horrible taste. Back to RYM
Mozart Piano Concerto No. 14 performed by Ingrid Haebler
Mozart sounds too happy for me and I can't enjoy happy music. Anyone feels the same? Is this fixable?
>>121544343insanely moronic>>121544937to be fair, british recordings tend to suck dog ass while there are plenty of great american recordings.
>>121548535That's because most Americans are German.
>>121548564sounds like hurwitz is right to praise american recordings over british ones then.
>>121544220Klemperer isn't a JEW Jew, like Bernstein.
>>121547350it is a terminal case of faggotry. I'm- I'm sorry...
Certified kino.
lmao. Did Munch have a huge row with his wife or something before recording pic rel? It's incredibly aggressive and seemingly full of rage. Interesting recording...
>>121543294the recording he made it in the fifties maybebut i like yudina more
>>121549420>The Ninth Symphony of Beethovenwho the fuck call it like that
Molterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYqFWlIMO2E
>>121543651Ormandy > Böhm > Klemperer
>>121549812In what repertoire?
>In his music, he represents the feelings felt by those attempting to achieve their goals within their societies, whether they are competing for love, status, money, power, mates and/or any other things individuals feel naturally inclined to attempt to acquire.So, basically, Beethoven is middle class?
>>121550003Yes, it's a pretty typical convention to associate Beethoven with the French Revolution and the rise of liberal bourgeois taste.
>>121550064Would that make Mozart representative of the Ancien Regime/upper class? Methinks. Who represents the proletariat?
>>121549886The Missa Solemnis
Give me recordings of symphonies or orchestral works that are significantly longer than their normal runtimes because of how they were conducted/interpreted etc.
>I could not compose operas like ‘Don Juan’ and ‘Figaro;’ toward them I feel too great a repugnance. I could never have chosen such subjects; they are too frivolous.>Texts such as Mozart composed I should never have been able to set to music. I could never have got myself into a mood for licentious texts.
>>121550494LOL
>>121549420That's funny, I'll give that recording a try later today, been a while since I listened to the 9th. >>121549326tru
>>121550478That's Klemperer's whole schtick, ye? With often glorious results.
>>121549253retarded no true scotsman>>121549812>>121550266completely braindead>>121550478excellent question tranime sister>>121550550simply wrong
>>121550659As in you don't think Klemperer is enjoyable, autist-anon, or that his interpretations are *always* glorious?
>>121550689his whole shtick is not taking significantly longer runtimes than the average performance.
>>121550720O, well of course, I was exaggerating. His interpretations are generally significantly slower and thus longer than most, though.
>>121550739incorrect again
>>121550478Literally any Celibadache. Cobra if you want to amuse yourself.
>>121550753? I mean you're more knowledgeable than me but how am I wrong?Richter's St Matthew Passion - 3h17mKlemperer - 3:44And then his Eroica I listened to the other day is 53:20
>>121550795and that Eroica is with skipping a repeat of the first section.
>>121550795>cherrypicking 2 of the slowest klemperer recordingswhy not mention his mahler 7 while you’re at it, smartass.
>>121550830I legitimately just happened to listen to both recently! If I truly just got unlucky to have picked two of his slowest ones and they aren't actually representative of his style as a whole, then my bad.
>>121550830also, LOL -- I listened to his Mahler 9 last week and was gonna listen to the 7 right after but decided against it once I saw the runtime xd
>>121550851>>121550860all the recordings klemperer made near the end of his life are horrendously slow. but the vast majority of his repertoire was really not any slower or faster than anyone else. a more accurate statement would be to say that klemperer tended to take slow movements fast and fast movement slow, which is true. just look at his mahler 2, with a slow movement faster than just about any modern recording (and at a similar pace to schoenberg and walter).
>>121550879Ah okay, thank you.
>>121550830thank you jewish sister
>>121551009hilariously stupid, wignat sister
>>121550879Also, when you say 'horrendously slow,' is that merely as an intensifier -- ie 'very, very slow' -- or qualitative too -- ie 'so slow that it's bad'?
>>121551073both
>>121550795that anon? more knowledgeable than anyone?
>>121551125I assume most of this general's regulars are much more knowledgeable than I am, so will usually defer to their opinions and do my best to learn from them.
Klemperer is shit and completely lacks the word "subtlety" in his vocabulary
>>121551125And he's been plenty helpful and edifying before.
>>121551166that anon is certainly in a redemption arc, but still a retard
>>121551200Haha well I take my 'learns' from whomever will give it, provided they give sufficient reasoning and demonstrate proficient knowledge first, of course. And watching you knowledgeable anons argue is just as if not even more invaluable in helping me learn.
>>121551125>>121551200absolutely embarrassing
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>>121551269porcupine parachute
>>121551636nonsense as always
