d'Indy editionhttps://youtu.be/SThTSPSWYzE>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>121452173
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>>121551276now playingWhat should I listen to on my walk around the block in a little bit? Takes about ~30 minutes at my brisk pace. Symphonies and other orchestral music work best. I'm thinking Brahms' Hungarian Dances or maybe the Mozart's Mass in C minor or perhaps Verdi's Requiem. O, a Bach cantata would be great too.
>>121551276luv me d'Indy myself
>>121551568>a Bach cantataIch habe genug>Verdi's requiemimpeccable taste, opinion on Messa di Gloria?
what was the last piece you heard at a live concert? Bruckner's 4th and Brahms' double concerto for mr
>>121551624>Ich habe genugAdded it to my library, both Richter and Suzuki.>opinion on Messa di Gloria?Rossini? Haven't heard it. I only got into listening to masses and the like recently.
>>121551645I don't go to concerts, I listen at home.
>>121551534Why companies even want the kpop audience? They already make millions from all their boxsets and re-releases.
Schmelzerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CaR67lBSw&list=OLAK5uy_nR5uqHWLGydVwnpX5_N6XekQMg9M_9E2E&index=9
I WILL exclusively listen to Deutsche Grammophon and you can't stop me
>>121551645mofart piano conertos 14 & 24 played on a pianoforte and symphony 33death to steinway pianos
>>121551568>Mozart Mass in C MinorGardiner for the Et incarnatus est alone>Verdi's RequiemFritz Reiner>Bach cantataBWV 23, Koopman
Handel is probably the worst composer of all time...
>>121551946lol this album coverI'll check out those recordings, thanks. I remember not particularly liking Gardiner when I tried out his Mozart piano concertos but I'll give the mass a try. I think the Abbado recording is the one I really liked for my last listen.
>>121551694it's not like a normal mass, very operatic and anticipating Rossini's later worksdo listen with an open mind, 'Et vita venturi seculi' is probably the most sublime piece of vocal music when played at a downtempo
>>121552059Alright I'll give it a go. Checking on Amazon at the highest rated recordings, it seems the top three are Pappano, Chailly, and Marriner, of which I have only heard Marriner for his Bach. Any opinions on which?
>>121551946>>Bach cantata>BWV 23, KoopmanListening to this now and wow it is very unlike the other handful of cantatas I've heard up until now; very somber and serene and in its leisurely, meditative rhythm.
>>121551901>>121551946thank you hisster sisters
>download the How to Listen to and Understand Great Music lectures from pastebin>check folder for first lecture>entire course is a single 12-hour long .wavIs this /classical/'s humiliation ritual or something?
>>121552224hissssss
>>121552232correction: HIPster sisters. lol
>>121552238correction: trains planes and plantains
Damn, Brahms' Nanie and Schicksalslied are incredible (Abbado, yet again), exactly the music I've been looking for for so long.
>>121552285More like it?
>>121551534Two hours of doggystyle and going again load was Yuja
>>121552238What’s the difference?
>>121552024I was confuse him with Haydn
>>121552489hiss means old recordings with the 'hiss' background noise from production, HIP is historically informed performance which is mostly a more contemporary approach, so in a sense they're pretty much opposites.
>>121552477thank you coomer>>1215524892 different flavors of autism and delusion
>>121552525Thanks. Would Wim Winters with his theory that classical and baroque music was meant to be played half as fast be HIP?
>>121552623especially retarded HIP, yes
>>121552537Wank you very much Captcha 0N0N
>>121552639thank you coomer
>>121552648Spank you
Aiight going for my walk, gonna listen to the Gardiner Mozart Mass in C minor.
>>121552660thank you coomer>>121552673thank you HIPster sister
>>121551534AHHHHHHHH I NEED TO LICK AN ASIAN GIRL'S FEET AND BUTTHHOLE SO BAD FUUUUUUUUU
It becomes gradually easier to make idiomatic music after the baroque period. Change my mind.
>>121552803thank you faggot coomer
>>121551568Listened to this, I love polovtsian dances so much and I don't care if someone will call me a normie baby for it
>>121552816Baroque was hands down the worst period of music, probably ever.
>>121551568Hopefully that's not Berlioz's awful orchestration of Invitation to the Dance.
>>121553084Filtered
>>121552623the most autistic HIP of all (and also 100% wrong)
>>121553168Counterpoint is gay
>>121553180why are you even hereit's like being in a rock n roll general and saying guitars and drums are gay
>>121552627>>121553173Why's it wrong? I'm not a proponent of it, I actually know very little about it. The only couple of videos I've seen on it, it seemed very convincing. Counting every other beat of a metronome seems like a logical enough way to count it.
>>121553197Classical is best when it doesn't have counterpoint.
>>121552892Nothing to be ashamed of, Borodin is bomb. Pretty good compilation as a whole, enjoyed listening to it.>>121553165Maybe...
>>121553224steamed stupid
>>121553222absurdly fucking stupid
>>121553222we quite literally have accounts from the time telling us how long things like Don Giovanni lasted (2h30) so there's no way he can be right
>>121553335>people were just fucking stupid and they decided to play things twice as fast because… reasons- wim winters
If he had lived to 100, what later developments in music would be have discovered?
>>121551645nutcracker, but that was in like 3rd or 4th grade so idk 15 years ago or something. I really want to see mahler's 2nd and 8th irl. unfortunately I'm in america, seems like all the worth while concerts are in evropa.
>>121551645korngold violin concerto and rachmaninov concerto 4
>>121551645Some local nobody along with Bruckner 6 which I found to be meandering, despite having his best melody.
Mozart sounds too happy for me and I can't enjoy happy music. Anyone feels the same? Is this fixable?
>>121553419Many places in America have decent programs. What state?
>>121553493Some people recommend therapy but I feel like it helps little with neurotic people like me
>>121553493Lay off the Wagner and Soap and Shower
>>121553502minnesota
>>121553527Lol, I was hoping you weren't about to say Minnesota. NPR is headquartered in Minnesota! It probably has the best funding for the arts in the entire USA.
>>121553527lucky you. there's more jason aldean cover bands than concerts here in da south
>>121553551the mn orchestra's calendar right now is shit. the best thing I could see within the next year is mozart's requiem which isn't bad at all honestly but I really really really want to see a good performance of mahler's 2nd and 8th. I could see this wacko to planets on whatever thing that is lel. https://youtu.be/4FxmBOst0t8?si=nlJHjp_O0524cRFg&t=102
>>121553613true. lots of classic rock cover bands and pop punk bands too.
>>121553652Well, yeah, regardless of the program, you don't get to hear specific pieces you like; that should be obvious.
classical music has never been a hick art form. if you live in a midwestern rural shithole, go listen to midwestern shithole music
>>121553798so true coastal coomer
>>121553798you are brown
>>121551645Scriabin at the Boston Symphony Orchestra
>>121553833What's with the giant sun?
>>121553811insanely retarded
>>121553827patently incorrect>>121553833thank you scriabincel
>>121553872Ackshually it's considerably smaller than the real sun
>>121553901post hand
>>121553969very laughable
>>121553987having disdain for rural midwesterners, ie wypipo, implies you're a resentful brownoid or chang
>>121554023t. retarded hick
>>121553987Suspiciously swarthy
>>121554026动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门
>>121554034quite humorous>>121554038very pathetic
>>121553833Holy shit
>>121554145yes, shit indeed
More like this? Slow expressive shit I mean, I dislike when classical is too bombastic and wankery if that makes sensehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUORBCz0LBA
>>121554178https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=_cj2LuV7jzDdL9hi
do I have to listen to every style?
>>121554218No, you can safely omit anyone connected to the American School or Minimalism, it's continuation.
>>121554178Solo piano works specifically? Brahms' other stuff, Chopin, Scriabin's etudes and preludes, a ton of Liszt's stuff like his piano sonata + dante sonata + annees whatever (just search annees) + religious harmonies or whatever, Rachmaninoff's preludes... I mean so much lol. Just listen to a bunch of stuff from this channel:https://www.youtube.com/@AshishXiangyiKumar
Watching the NBA playoffs muted with Karajan's Dvorak 8 playing :)
>>121554510NOOOOOO! You have to pay attention to the music... okay?!!!11
>>121554544lol to be honest, with how boring 80% of watching basketball (and nfl football when it's on and I do the same) is, believe me most of my attention is on the music!
>>121554573boring and/or braindead, i should say*
>>121554450I think its nice music to think over
brosi just found out that leopold stokowski lived from 1882 to 1977damn
>>121554672Think over what? Jumping off a cliff?
>>121554702Pretty cool lifespan.
>>121551276>It was RuhigerSchoenberg is trying to tell us something.
I think he wants us to play it forte
now playing
>hey guise check out this epic chord in Bach!>It's just a few passing notes that come from the counterpoint
>>121555120>We want the Jethro Tull audience
>>121554917Maybe. It does feel depressive.
now playingAt the halfway point of my walk earlier, I switched from the Gardiner Mozart mass, which was pretty good, to Bartok's Piano Concerto no. 2 and let me say, it is fantastic for listening to when walking out in public down a main street busy with cars driving by. /blogpost
>>121555427I only listened Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra because it was mentioned in Frasier. I didn't like it, but I loved the Hungarian Sketches.
>>121555427I don't like the final movement the Allegro Molto. It seems weird and tacked on. He should have been forbidden from doing that
>>121555145not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>121555484>>121555509Fair. I love them both; testaments to imaginative power, I'm blown away by the scintillating creativity every time.
I can't listen to any old recording with background noise now without my mind's narration voice going 'hisssss.' Thanks.
>>121556106You think that's bad? The best recordings of The Ripening by Josef Suk are live recordings filled with coughs, taps and whispers.
>>121556337Taps and whispers? Link?
>>121556365I'll have to look for it. Maybe it wasn't Suk, but I remember a live recording that was exactly like that.
>>121556801Ah all good, no worries. I've definitely heard some Gilels performances that were straight up unlistenable, must've had poor healthcare in the USSR with that amount of coughing.
>>121553493Same. Post your favorite pieces.
>>121551276Is this shy music?https://youtu.be/pL9YjM1BqgY?t=1009
>>121551276Who are the best conductors for Schubert? I want to get the most out of Schubert's lieder, symphonies, and song cycles
>>121557907thank you gould ghoul
>>121553224You ain't black if you don't have counterpoint
>>121555007These should be sFz but it's too much ink in this economy
>>121558155>Once you go Bach he, you...he won't...well you know the uh the thing!
>>121558041don't know about overall conductors but the best recordings of the completions of his 7th and 8th symphonies are by Edusei with the Munich Philharmonic
Mahler is so forgettable. Is 5th really his best?
>>121559749Mahler is best when he's writing for lyrics. When he's just trying to be ye old symphony writer like in the 4th and 5th he's very forgettable.
>>121554178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6vy8M0KFs
>>121559749>>121560043absolutely egregious
>>121563339>t. jew>inb4 thank you wignat sister>inb4 2 word insult
Haydnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35wEt7K2Rdw
>>121563339penultimate pancake
>>121553396Serialism and no, I'm not joking
Post more YT links retards.
>>121563861https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAogLS2yGlU
>>121560043That's right, Rückert Lieder is where it's at! Especially when sung by Maureen Forrester. I bought the friggin' Fricsay boxed-set solely for that recording. Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen...
>>121563659He said developments in music not in schizophrenia
>>121564239Mozart literally wrote at least two tone rows into his repertoire. This is clearly a game he liked to play at, do it's not inconceivable he would write a piece, or even just a movement based entirely around that concept.
>when someone tried to tell me not all Asians look the same
>>121564448Is that Jackie Chan?
>As usual, he submitted to the interminable entreaties and finally was dragged almost by force to the pianoforte by the ladies. Angrily he tears the second violin part of one of the Pleyel quartets from the music-stand where it still lay open, throws it upon the rack of the pianoforte, and begins to improvise. We had never heard him extemporize more brilliantly, with more originality or more grandly than on that evening. But throughout the entire improvisation there ran in the middle voices, like a thread, or cantus firmus, the insignificant notes, wholly insignificant in themselves, which he found on the page of the quartet, which by chance lay open on the music-stand; on them he built up the most daring melodies and harmonies, in the most brilliant concert style. Old Pleyel could only give expression to his amazement by kissing his hands. After such improvisations Beethoven was wont to break out into a loud and satisfied laugh.
>>121564533Unfathomably based.
>>121563861https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDp1l-qb8oU
>>121564650Nice, thanks. added to the library
>>121564699he plays fast, not everyone cup of tea
>>121564727Ye was gonna say, sounds like what my asian speedy technique-loving musician friends back in school would recommend to me lol. Still sounds good though, Bach always does and I haven't gotten into his organ music before yet.
>>121563528thank you wignat sister>>121563624nonsense as always
>>121564753Y-You can't do that, he inb4'd you!
>>121564759rather futile
>>121564461The page-turner is a dead ringer for the flautist
>>121564753oscillating oysters
>>121565294nonsense as always
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJaAiWg3UhY
i'm new to classical. what album do i download to listen to some peak bach?
>>121565726https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=480opeuvmlQHYF9i
uhhh kino?https://youtu.be/SmDlGYj0y1Y?si=17jwKmb7RPESjlpk
>>121565726good cantata selection
>>121565726
>>121565215lmaooo
>>121565773NTA but added, thanks
>>121564432can anyone justify to me why tone rows are not a retarded, myopically intellectual concept to attempt to introduce into music?
>>121565765I'm not an expert but that is an excellent recording.
>>121566016Yes I agree, I heard many other recordings of his first string quartet and I always go back to that one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y2bXBjhsLI&list=OLAK5uy_ll4PN6-fdKK53qHiK6G9t9Pw1PfXiG5oY
>>121566098Still listening to it rn -- the part from ~10:20 or so on is sublime.
someone explain the klaus makela phenomenon to me: how has a subpar, immature conductor landed four major orchestral appointments in only half a decade? what do the concertgoing public and the marketing departments see in him that’s obviously not coming across on record? is it merely a case of extreme nepotism and political maneuvering?
>compilation doesn't include the piece's name or the composer as the artistSo I'm supposed to just look up and memorize which piece is which!? Weak!
>>121566193Sorry, I meant 'doesn't include the composer with the piece's name'*
>>121566139wait till you get to 19-21
>>121566219Damn! Could have come from Beethoven's late string quartets with how great it is. I was only gonna listen to the first minute and save the rest for later but can't turn it off lol.
>>121565885Restrictions breed creativity. I honestly feel this serial Mozart would sound distinctly like Mozart. Serialism doesn't cut you off from any particular sounds.
>>121565765Stupendously Semitic
>>121566353DinkleBERG...
Anyone ever think about which music they'd play at their funeral. I feel like my funeral music might be too pretentious/not fitting for a funeral.
>>121565885No they are. Even Mr Gould who's a defender of Schoenberg and Serialism in general called it basically an idiotic system that he nonetheless feels art is able to be created with at times.
>>121566376Constantly. When my day of suicide comes at the ripe, old age of 40, I'll leave behind a playlist along side my note. Maybe the Brahms Requiem, maybe Beethoven's 14th and/or 15th string quartets, maybe a Bach mass or passion.
>>121566376Well I will be dead, so I might struggle to play anything. Maybe something easy like Paccabe's Canon
>>121566440lol
For non-musician anons, am I weird for never listening to individual movements from a piece? I always start from the very beginning when I want to listen to something, even if my favorite part is in a later movement. I say non-musicians because listening to a specific, singular movement makes sense if you're trying to learn or practice it.
>>121566418I've thought of either some bach mass or bruckner mass no3 or no2. I feel like leaving a playlist with the note would be kinda cringe but not sure how else I can make sure they don't play some shitty pop music or worse paccabe's canonI've asked most my family which music they want so if I outlive them they'll get theirs. I feel like they wouldn't put in the same effort for me though
now playingLoving Boulez for Mahler!
>>121566579rather mediocre
>>121566579Terrible taste. His 7th is just atrocious
>>121566620I know, I know, you don't like his Mahler. Who would you recommend?>>121566624:(Who do you prefer?
>>121566630I also really like Solti. Just been giving Boulez a try for a re-listening of Maher's symphonies this week.
>>121566630there is no cure all conductor for mahler. no conductor since the man himself has been large and all encompassing enough to comprehend all his symphonies at once.
>>121566630Gielen. renounce the yellow piss DG recordings and embrace the intellectual approach to Wahler.
>>121566671Fair enough. AHHHHHH classical music is so much work and uncertainty! I suppose that's just part of the fun though.>>121566738lolCan you elaborate a bit what you mean by the 'intellectual approach?' I guess I'll hear it for myself. Also, just looked up 'gielen maher' and saw he had some reviews by a YouTuber -- you're not just parroting his views are you, anon!? Which work should I try first from him?
>>121566376Things Are Looking Up by Billie Holiday
>>121566630Klemperer for nos. 2 and 9.
Any recommendations for a comprehensive set of Mozart's music for wind ensemble? Serenades etc.
>>121566738soulless and unfeeling>>121566756there is no intellectual approach to mahler, only the cold steely hands of modernists who would have you believe he belongs in their rank and file.
>>121566630Klaus Tennstedt
>>121566956ah lol ok. If you don't mind me troubling you or whoever else to ask, as someone who only has detailed and technical knowledge of literature and poetry but not music, what exactly would a 'modernist' or 'intellectual' approach even entail, how does it differ? I can, of course, usually hear differences in interpretive philosophies but any help in actually being able to articulate and delineate those nuances and distinguishing traits would be great and much appreciated.>>121566818I do love Klemperer, just been wanting to try out other conductors. Thanks for the reply nonetheless.>>121566957Not familiar with him, thanks. Any particular symphony?
now playingThe first four symphonies aren't particularly outstanding, nothing memorable whatsoever. This is Shosty's first great symphony as we all know, time to find out if I still love it.
>>121566630Just listen to Bruno Walter
>>121567151>Greatest >While Stalin is auditing his works
>>121567151the 4th symphony is what Shosti sounds like, before he had to deal with Stalin
>>121567166I listened to his Beethoven 6 the other day, was quite good! Good advice to try out his Mahler.>>121567169Not sure what you're saying here.>>121567185Yeah, I read the interesting backstory of the 4th. To me it sounded unfocused and unstructured, characteristic of a young composer, resulting in a half-baked work empty of the great, beautiful melodies I love in his music. In short, it was alright, not bad but certainly unengaging and probably won't listen to it again.
>dumb normies think listening to k 448 in specific decreases epilepsy and increases intelligence
>>121567242Obviously hos best symphony is 14 because that was where he did exactly what he felt like without fear of being disappeared.
>>121567088>what exactly would a 'modernist' or 'intellectual' approach even entail, how does it differ?just listen to boulez and gielen, and then compare to walter and klemperer. the difference should be obvious.
>>121567256Emblematic of a philistine capitalist culture where the people are so thoroughly unable to appreciate art and resonate with it on its own terms, that its purpose and benefits must be strictly functional. Forget spiritual health and becoming aristocrats of the soul, instead productive behaviorism subject to efficiency technocrats NOW
>>121567393not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>121567368Klemperer is closer to Gielen than to Walter.
>>121567421simply incorrect
>>121567368but Walter belongs to the category of rather faithful to the score without overdone rubati. it's Tennstedt and Bernstein that totally overdo it with their emotional reading.
>>121567454the comparison was between modernists and the mahlerian faithful, not overwrought romantics.
Alright I'll try Walter's Mahler 9 after this Shosty 5 is done, thanks all for the suggestions and help.
or is this the better recording? That first one has much more plays so I assume it's the better one, ye?
>>121567530the only thing worse than the sound in this recording is the playing. don’t let hisster sisters fool you otherwise.
>>121567554kek, so not the emi, but the first pic is good?
>>121567565not walter’s best, but certainly quite good
>>121567579Ok thank you. Sheesh, this stuff is more difficult, anxiety-inducing, and flying-through-clouds-uncertain than determining what translation to read of a novel. At least with that you can generally make an informed determination from reading a page or two, + I actually have the proficiency to adequately arbitrate between the options.
Man, that final movement of Shostakovich's 5th is truly peak music of glory and triumph.
>>121567844>music of glory and triumph.kek, you didn't notice the undertones?
>>121567866N-no... I'm admittedly not great at identifying sarcasm, irony, and humor in classical music, but compared to, say, Shosty's 9th, it sounded pretty straightforward and sincere to me.
now playing (Boulez's piano sonata no. 2, as so many anons here have recommended it with high praise)
>>121567256Which Mozart piece should I listen to to increase epilepsy
>>121567912that's Haitink for you lol. he was a great conductor that just lets the music speak for itself. he would cringe if you used the word "interpretation". there are recordings that stress what you experienced as triumph is in fact forced.Sergio, I don't know if he still posts here, is currently uploading the whole set of Shosti symphonies conducted by Vasily Petrenko. I think you can hear what I meant much better in his recording. A bit overdone for my taste but a valid reading.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntm0gjEZOMU
For me, it's Beethoven, Brahms, Bach, Prokofiev, and Shostakovich.
>>121567948Eine Klein Gigue as arranged by Tchaikovsky for his Mozartianna
>>121568144Haha okay good to know I am not, in fact, an earlet who completely missed what I was listening to, lol. Good to know that about Haitink, he was my first listen for Shosty's symphonies and so in addition to remaining my favorite is also my reference "interpretation." I'll check out Petrenko's recordings, thanks, probably best not to just stick to Haitink on my ongoing re-listen of all of Shosta's symphonies.
>>121568155Nobody asked
>>121568294This anon, in my country he means nothing.
>>121565811Is this better than Fournier?
>>121566376Chopin's Funeral March movment III is the perfect piece for funeral. And overall my favorite piece of all time.
>>121568888quite embarrassing
>>121567934I like it but I understand not everyone will. I think reading the Wikipedia article on it might help "getting" it lol
>>121566332>restrictions breed creativityoften true, but that's really the rationale? i guess i was right to think it was retarded. hey, why don't we restrict ourselves to only playing B-flat on a bunch of PVC pipes. everyone get a mallet. i mean we're so restricted it's bound to be brilliant
What's your favorite recording of Mahler's 6th? I don't really like Bernstein but I think he did a good job with the Vienna Philharmonic, there's only a couple sections where I didn't like the tempo but overall it's a fun recordinghttps://youtu.be/giPhPdztm_Y?si=Q0jdzLAmI_NV3y_9&t=4140
Bro, what?>>121569678Solti. I plan to give Karajan, Abbado, and Boulez a try though. Perhaps I should add yours to the list.
>>121569678unfortunately bernstein’s vienna recording really is the best. thomas sanderling is also good, but not as inspired. a real conductor needs to come along and do the work justice already.
I have a biased aversion toward Bernstein because for a long time I thought he and Barenboim were the same person.
>>121569743Ah yes Karajan was the first one I heard, I didn't mind it but apparently a lot of people hate it, from what I've seen on talkclassical, I still enjoy Karajan's Mahler 5th though, he does a great job in the 4th movement.
>Bach and Wagner, who apparently have radical differences, are the musicians who basically resemble each other the most. Not as musical architecture, but as a substratum of sensibility. Are there two creators in the history of music who have expressed more widely and completely the indefinable state of languor? The fact that in the first it is divine and in the second erotic, or that one condenses the languor of his soul into a sound construction of absolute rigor and the other dilates his soul with a music of prolonged modulations, does not at all invalidate the fact that both have a deep sensitivity in common. With Bach, one is no longer in the world because of God; and with Wagner, because of love. The important thing is that both are decadent, that both tear life apart with a kind of negative impetus, both invite us to die outside of ourselves. And none of them can be understood except in weariness, in vital nothingness, in the joys of annihilation. Neither one nor the other can serve as an antidote to the temptation of not being.
>>121569849O is that so? Knock him off the list and replace him with Bernstein it is!
>>121569525False dichotomy. Depending on your skill level serialism can sound however you like.
>>121569815How.many layers of prosopagnosia are you on?
now playing (the viola sonata)last Shosty piece for the day, i swear!
>>121569996Kek solely from reading the names I meant, and this is from when I was first getting into classical almost a decade ago
>>121569871Wagner is more like Schoenberg. They both broke with tradition as much as eachother. Meanwhile Wagner is dionysian while Bach is one of the biggest apollonians I'd not the biggest. But good try tranime sister.
>>121569871thank you tranime wagnersister>>121569849karajan is a terrible mahlerian, his 9th is a miracle akin to air turning to gold.
>>121570060Oh right, and Wagner never even wrote a decent fugue, the Meistersinger one sounds clownish after about the third listen.
now playing (the piano concerto; will try the other two concertos later)
>>121569871Wagner should have been a writer instead of a musician. He should have wrote gay-erotica, so in the future as in now Germany would be a bit more gayer rather than furry.
>>121569678Gergiev
>>121569815Barenboim is better than Bernstein
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>>121570615Saying very little
>>121570639their slogan literally is "if you're black you gotta go back"
>>121570582horrifically dogshit
>>121570639Based. The west is healing, I can feel it!
>>121570749You're looking at it backwards. The fact that the first suggested related question from just searching 'Vienna Philharmonic' is that is kinda ridiculous, and is Google trying to swing it the other way.
>>121570813I was being sarcastic albeit
>>121570830I thought so but still wanted to say my piece :)
>>121569301>Being filtered by ChopinYes that is indeed quite embarrassing
>>121570929kek got 'em
>>121570929>>121570957comically moronic
>>121569974yeah but it's just arbitrary and stupid. maybe for a single work, such a restriction would be an interesting exercise. putting it forward as a possible future of music is giga-retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1kO3-TcypMlmao
>>121570929>>121570957Obvious samefag. I can't believe what kind of NPC you have to be to have such a culturally saturated piece of music like that players at your funeral. For me, it's Ravel's Gibet arranged for String Quartet by me.
>>121571442Played at*
>>121571442> Ravel's Gibet arranged for String QuartetInteresting, I'll try and find this. What's the recording?
>>121571468I would have to arrange it myself but I don't imagine it would be too hard as in impossible. I doubt anyone is going to get a proper funeral here the way the saber rattling around the world is going. Anyway there is an exquisite orchestral arrangement.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7BaOuXny66Q
>>121571604Ah damn, was hoping it was already a thing, sounded very intriguing! Thanks for the link, will check out once what I'm listening to is over.
>>121567185>>121567242It was a suicide note and a fuck you. He was condemned in Pravda by Stalin for Lady Macbeth. He would surely have been sent to the gulag if had premiered.>>121567151The first 3 symphonies are patriotic garbage. The 4th is a masterpiece imo. You didn't even find it memorable it ended in a funeral march? He let it premier like 20 years later and didn't make any revisions.
>>121571664I'll give it another listen tomorrow with a different recording.
>>121571684I always imagine the 3rd moment start with the footsteps of the secret police going through the streets in search of their next victim. The 5th is actually amazing in the context of the 4th because it still has the idea of protest of the 4th, but obscured to avoid criticism, while still being understood by the audience. People were weeping during the third movement at the premiere. I think that is one of the saddest pieces of music ever created. The 8th is my favorite. I like the Previn recording for that one the most (also very good audio quality/mastering). Otherwise Järvi is go to for me.
shostakovich is fucking garbage
>>121571745Haitink's performance comes across as sincerely triumphalist to me for the 5th. For the remaining symphonies, since I'm doing a complete re-listen of the entire cycle, I'll do a mix of Jarvi, Petrenka (as someone earlier in the thread suggested to me), and Previn when I try the 4th and 5th again. Thanks.
>>121571833Why?
>>121571853lousy formless incoherent second-rate mahler
>>121571870If even if he were just a second-rate Mahler, that'd still be quite something :)
>>121571882not really, when a first rate mahler exists called mahler. also his harmonic language is repulsive in ways that even atonal music is not.
>>121570060Calling any composer 'Apollonian' is just about the biggest insult you can give. All great composers are Dionysian, they all effect the sublime, if you at all care about the definitions of these words. Not all 'Dionysianism' has to be crazy, indulgent and fast-paced.
>>121571907What, you just listen to Mahler over and over when you want that sound? Variety is always nice. Besides, it's Shostakovich's other works, the concertos and especially the chamber music, that are what I love about him the most. If you don't like his string quartets, then, man, I don't even wanna know ya!
>>121571938shostakovich’s concertos are tepid and his chamber music is fucking atrocious. arguably the worst string quartet cycle from any major composer since brahms.
>>121571921incredibly puerile
>>121571951Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, anon. Agree to disagree.
>>121571996it’s ok, not all of us can be expected to have standards.
>>121571870Is there any late-romantic composer after Mahler that you do like? You can’t pick Strauss.
>>121572005kek man you're relentless in your aggression
>>121572012schoenberg, the composer of the op.7 string quartet and the op.9 chamber symphony.
>>121572025Pretty safe answer there buddy, anything else?
>>121572039there are no romantic composers after the second viennese school save nauseating schlock ala rachmaninoff. even shostakovich is decidedly not a romantic.
speaking of Jarvi, now playingthese violin concertos blow me away every time, absolutely breathtaking and stunningly imaginative
>>121572046There are a lot. But every one is a second rate Mahler to you.
>>121566376Titurel's funeral marchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVbIff2VvBITo make everyone feel bad
>>121572108not at all, rachmaninoff is actually a fourth rate tchaikovsky
>>121572012>>121572046Palestrina
>>121572142Oh, ah, damn, meant to Pfitzner.
>>121572142i hope you meant pfitzner’s opera palestrina and not the actual man palestrina.
>>121572120You posted the wrong march:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1JdCQS8k9c
How's Gergiev's Prokofiev? Just added his 14 hour six operas collection + the complete symphonies.
>>121572411gergiev’s two main talents are buddying up to the russian oligarchy and convincing very wealthy old people to sign away immense amounts of wealth to him in their wills. conducting is certainly not one of them.
>>121572449I forgot to 'inb4 autist-anon hates on gergiev'Do you even like Prokofiev?
>>121572467gergiev is just a dogshit conductor, no matter whose music is unfortunate enough to be beaten to death by his very short baton.
>>121572485lol well I wanna hear from someone else but I appreciate your strong opinions as always, very Nabokovian.
>>121572449>and convincing very wealthy old people to sign away immense amounts of wealth to him in their wills.Based, inspirational.
>>121571951>Brahms>Bad chamber musicThis is an antinomy
>>121572449Meds
>>121572619no one likes brahms’ string quartets. no one. >>121572642mentally retarded
>>121572684Almost everyone thinks they are masterworks.
>>121572707ah yes, literally and who.
>>121572718Schoenberg for one
>>121572738a miracle that he never took after brahms’ affected stodgy messes in his own quartet writing.
>>121572749Show one (ONE) example of this
>>121572780very easy, it’s called op.51
>>121572718I like his string quartets too.
Listening to Mravinsky's Tchaikovsky 5 :)
>>121572832allow me to correct no one to nobody then, just to accommodate you.
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>>121572793Bar?
how do people rate mahler among symphonists? like is he considered one of the very best ever? i'm pretty uninformed but his symphonies seem to continually engage like few other composers'
>>121571921anti-classsical mindset go back to rock and pop
>>121572869the whole set :)
>>121572899Okay so basically you don't have an example?
>>121572142damn Palestrina lived for a long ass time
>>121572449best Mahler 6 is his, cope
>>121572793>>121572684>>121571951>>121572749Seriously, how are they any worse than the Beethoven ones on this front?
>>121572918rekt
>>121572882yes people generally consider Haydn Mozart Beethoven Schubert Mahler Brahms and Bruckner the best symphonists, pleb opinion or not.
>>121572977Sans Bruckner this is right on
>>121572918i just gave you one, the whole thing start to finish>>121572946if you’re a fucking retard, perhaps. >>121572959i don’t know, have you actually heard any of them? they don’t even exist in the same universe.
>>121573001>autist Anon doesn't like Brahms's string quartetstaste forever ignored
>>121573044worry not, no one ever paid attention to yours either.
>>121573070>no ukek
>>121573001Yes I have heard them and I compare them to an old man getting out of the tub. Stravinsky hated them, aside from the worst one for whatever reason.
>>121573206I don't know what that means but that's hilarious, unless it's literally just an amusing way of outright saying "it's ugly, off-putting, and disgusting."
>>121573272No, it's not even a criticism, so much as a joke. It just lacks the vitality of the Mozart quartets. I like Beethoven's 14th quartet a lot but it still feels a bit old and creaky.
>>121572977thanks anon, that's the kind of shortlist i was looking for
