Les Djinns editionhttps://youtu.be/5_5cHPACGnA>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>121551276
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Yuja Wang
>>121586490now playing
>>121586568thank you coomer
:3
Okay now this is some serious BS. I guess I'm not getting through the next hundred k numbers anytime soon.
>>121586568Xi Jinping in drag
>>121586689That's why I primarily only listen to works from this list, at least for stuff I'm unfamiliar with and want to see if it's worth adding to the checklist and listening to with regards to 'essential listening.' I mean if you love the works that's one thing but you're the guy who I've seen trying to complete a listen-through of Mozart for the sake of learning and working through the Western canon of art music, ye?https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/
>>121586669That seems intriguing, will check it out. How is it?
>>121586766I'm mainly in it for unearthing hidden gems like this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1URYAdDx_U
>>121586568Basado
>>121586836Damn, that is pretty amazing.
>>121586870thank you coomer
>>121586836Thanks for this tip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV5hd07ga1o
>>121586689plenty of good stuff there
>>121587134thank you coomer
>>121587208>listening to Chopin makes you cumBased retard
>>121586786I don't want to overhype it but I believe it's the best recording of Satie's best works (that I listened to, anyway)
>>121587237thank you coomer
Verdihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rohAHVetcgg
now playing
>>121587654highly repulsive
The Apex of Art.The Brightest of Baritones.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Elater of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The Grandest of Giants.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The Master of Music.The Nirvana of Nobles.The Oasis of Optimists.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Symbol of Serenity.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The W.The X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.
>>121587751thank you wagnersister
>>121587751These are embarassing. Grandest of Giants? Really! That's not even alliteration
>>121587751"Forth-Bringer" is a real stretch
The Holy Grail... Amazing how I am beset by these medieval visions when I listen to the mythic compositions of Wagner, Master of Music and Poetry. I am fighting alongside Richard the Lionheart and drinking wine with the Knights of the Round Table... I hear the call of the Black Forest, the rustle of trees, the scream of the eagle, the clatter of steel... Truer than the truth, the Spirit of Western Man is animated towards infinity in the most epic of legendary music. We are going to make it bros.https://youtu.be/a53s4jyCqqU
>>121588188thank you wagnersister
>>121587810>>121587941>>121587988Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.W.
>>121588228thank you wagnersister
>>121587751more likeThe Auteur of AwfulThe Bore of BayreuthThe Curmudgeon of CampThe Dullard of DegenerationThe Elevator of ExcrementThe Fecundity of FailureThe Grotesque of Grueling The Hindrance of HeavenlyThe Ignoramus of IdolatryThe Jester of JackanapesThe Klepto of KikeryThe Lord of LacklusterThe Moron of MundanityThe Nadir of NourishmentThe Oaf of ObscenityThe Pariah of PerfectionThe Quack of QuerulousnessThe Retard of RepugnanceThe Spreader of ShitThe Tainter of TruthThe Uncouth of UbiquityThe Villain of VirtueThe Ward of WorthlessnessThe Xeric of XanaduThe Yokel of YuckThe Zero of Zeal
>>121588228Go to hell
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afwI3sU5UJk
listening to operas while letting your imagination paint the picture >
>>121588434okay so, i'm not sure if anyone else will understand this but for me, the key to my transition was a weird combination of wagnerian harmony and nietzsche. let me explain.so first off, i've always been drawn to classical music, and wagner's operas in particular. there's something about the way the music builds and swells and crashes that just resonates with me on a deep level. i used to listen to the overture to "tristan und isolde" on repeat for hours at a time, and it always made me feel like i was on the brink of something monumental.and then, i started reading nietzsche. his ideas about the will to power, about overcoming oneself, about creating oneself - they all spoke to me in a way that i couldn't quite explain. it was like he was describing a way of being that i had always been striving towards, but could never quite put into words.and then, one day, it all just clicked for me. i realized that if i was going to transition, if i was going to become the person i had always known i was meant to be, i would need to harness that same will to power that nietzsche talked about. i would need to overcome my fears and doubts and insecurities, and create the version of myself that i wanted to be.it wasn't easy, of course. there were a lot of obstacles and setbacks along the way. but every time i felt like giving up, i would put on some wagner and let the music remind me of the power that i had within me. and every time i needed a philosophical boost, i would turn to nietzsche and let his words inspire me to keep going.and now, here i am, fully transitioned and living my best life. i still listen to wagner and read nietzsche, and they still give me that same sense of power and inspiration that they always have. i don't know if everyone will find the same kind of motivation in these things that i did, but for me, they were the keys to realizing the sufficiency of will necessary to self-overcome and transition.
>>121588347thank you brother>>121588559>>121588576thank you wagnersisters
bruckner doesn't get nearly enough love and appreciation. is it because he was an eccentric incel? I don't get it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znaac5QFNxY
>>121588862it's because you post celibidache dogshit that makes him sound like total garbage.
>>121588862No he gets, if anything, TOO MUCH praise!>can't write a truly original melody that isn't meandering except when he adopts orientalism>leaves in every idea he comes up with as if to pad the movement in his long journey back to the home key>endless sequences>can't write a good coda to save his life>basically just synthesizes Schubert with Wagne
>>121588987you already posted this. it wasn't particularly funny or interesting the first time, and that hasn't changed.
>>121588943overmuch obtuse
>>121589009nonsense as always
>>121588347If someone proved to me that Wagner is outside the truth and that in reality the truth were outside of Wagner, then I should prefer to remain with Wagner rather than with the truth.
>>121589002It's not supposed to be funny or amusing. It's just there to shut the Brucknerian up. He knows everything I said is true and he seethes over it.
>>121589032and yet it is completely impotent, for no one cares. curious.
>>121589045Bruckner was impotent, he died an incel
>>121589063laughably weak
>Accidental dissonances40 almost always arise in a deliberately free manner. The strangest jumble of figures and note symbols [Notengattungen] comprising semibreves, minims, crotchets, quavers and semiquavers, in triplets, roulades, trills and grace notes, lends the score a bizarre and mysterious appearance. It is astonishing to see the host of tiny rapid figures swarming in huge, dark masses like armies of insects on the wide horizon.But all of this, when sounded together and associated with the sombre representation of chaos, creates an infinitely splendid harmonic fabric, its tonal progressions [Fiihrung der Modulation] indescribably beautiful and in many places so sublime and lofty as to inspire wonderment.
>>121589063https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXS-LvrJgdUBruckner's life was truly tragic. You should not make fun of him anon. He gave the world so much and asked for so little in return.
>>121588862The melody reminds me of that one hypertonal Schoenberg piece
>>121588347I see that the spiritual women here have been run through by the "Complete Artwork" of Wagner and turned into gibbering holes with Borderline Personality Disorder towards the composer out of sheer resentment for the sensual mastery with which he united all the classical forms in his music drama. That is the Nothung which has raped to death the Fagnirs of this general, leaving only the superior men.
>>121589298thank you wagnersister
>>121586511https://vocaroo.com/12zFxju9cpSK
>>121589163don't reply to the tranny.
These threads are moving lately, what happened?
Which collection of Mozart's piano concertos: Marriner or Ashkenazy?
>>121589800I've been bombarding everyone with my questions and they tend to spur discussion and arguments.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wr4UjW6vGKg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-D09lochnU&t=604
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0xTs1fvQag&t=722
>>121589685You nearly turned me into an antitheoryfag with this garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ4naMqKu-M&t=214
>>121589800platypus pencil
>>121589926you don't like the mystic scale?
>>121589685insanely foul, pathetic loner>>121589695>>121589860>>121589887>>121589901>>121589930>>121589948thank you pathetic loner
God bless the Italians for creating music rich in engagement unlike the boring tripe that is Wagner and all his other compadres. >>121589901That sounds wonderful.
>>121589948Not how you used it.
>>121590023that's a bit harsh however I agree with what Tchaikovsky wrote about Wagner. He should've focused on composing symphonies instead of operas.
>>121590052thank you pathetic loner
>>121590023Nobody actually rates Rossini above Wagner. He makes fluff like Offenbach or J. Strauss or Sullivan. A body of work without profundity is trifling.
>>121590010>>121590057ywnbaw, tranny.
>>121590068thank you pathetic loner
>>121590038although it's possible to use the scale according to tonal functions I decided to place metric emphasis on its dominant features: major seconds, major thirds, and tritones.
>>121590153thank you pathetic loner
Currently reading Notre-Dame de Paris. Suggest me some music recs that would complement it.
>>121590593https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=nZc_31Hwlc2vmXSq
>>121588987>>can't write a truly original melody that isn't meandering except when he adopts orientalismThat's a really contrived take, even by its own standards. 'He can't write an original melody, except in these many cases....'. And even then, no one agrees with you about his lack of being able to write a melody.
watching the NBA playoffs on mute while listening to the Richter Bach St Matthew Passion :)
>>121590724don't reply to the tranny.
>>121590926>Basketball and BachDie. I beseech you. Die. Please die.
>>121590952Basketball & Bach at the local Bed & Breakfast :)
>>121590952Besides, what could be more appropriate; sports events are our mass religious events and their athletic feats (DUNKS and THREE-POINTERS) are our modern miracles, how could I listen to anything but the godly music of Bach!
https://ianring.com/musictheory/scales/2871has anyone here found examples of this scale being used in classical music? Its properties are quite unique.
>>121591026I appreciate the eccentricity, anon, but I still have no earthly or celestial idea what you're talking about
>>121590950>>121591026thank you pathetic loner>>121591064the delusional ramblings of an isolated idiot.
>>121591026>Ian ringBe careful that guy thinks he owns music theory and will come after you
>>121591136sounds like the delusional pathetic loner will at last be in good company then
>>121591082>the delusional ramblings of an isolated idiotSounds like a great book title.
>>121591064to me it sounds quite intriguing. so far, I've found it in Strauss' Alpine symphony and Zarathustra.
>>121591082stfu, tranny. you contribute nothing to these threads.
>>121591243great entertainment, to be sure, but also highly pitiful.>>121591293>>121591317thank you pathetic loner
>>121591136for someone with such a wide knowledge of musical theory his Opus Arcana is kind of shit in my honest opinion. Zeitler is a better composer.
>>121591416thank you pathetic loner
"The Loner of Pathos"
>>121591483https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-SodiKVMmA&t=1005
>>121591483delusions of grandeur>>121591506thank you pathetic loner
"Pathos of a Solitary Dreamer"
>>121591566delusions of grandeur
>>121591293Okay but so what? What does that mean?
>>121591615nothing, for he has invented rubbish out of meaninglessness
"The Pathos of Distance"
>>121591633delusions of grandeur
Stupid, silly question: for a live performance of, say, St Matthew Passion so approx. three hours, how many intermissions would there be and how long would they last? Wondering as I finish up a complete listen through on one go at home.
>>121591615to put it into technical terms the scale's sonority is dominated by the I - i progression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmuNxYLxTs
>>121591767o-oh okay... so uh, what does that mean in effect? Is this like some Straussian esoteric reading of Plato seeking to unlock hidden meanings and deeper truths but for music (no pun intended between Strauss and Straussian)? How has your experience of the music changed? Pattern-seeking for pattern-seeking sake?
>>121591767thank you pathetic loner>>121591853he has nothing better to do with his time, he is merely wasting it away identifying meaningless patterns in the numbers.
>>121591853>so uh, what does that mean in effect?it sounds awesome. simple as that.
>>121591892if that helps you sleep at night, pathetic loner
>>121591892Alright man, enjoy.
"The Pathos of the Lonely Angel"
>>121591853you should read Howard Hanson's textbook on intervals.intervals are basically the textures of music. fifths are empty, tritones are dramatic, minor seconds are piercing, and so on.Example of The Perfect Fifth (p):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HbBURnt9f4&t=1906Example of The Tritone (t2):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cLh7bRY-RkExample of The Minor Second (d):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hj3kkdwiGdA
>>121591993I find the easiest way to remember the sound of a perfect fifth is just to think of the timpani pounding in most orchestral works since they usually only pitch them to tonic and dominant outside of some modern compositions. To remember the tritone I actually think of the opening of Rush's YYZ lol
now playingThe Franck violin sonata truly is beyond words.
>>121592065people who still attempt to explain the Tristan chord primarily in terms of functions are laughable. Wagner was just outlining a projection of the tritone:A - F - E - [B, Eb, G#] - A - [D, Bb]as a scale:D, Eb, E, F, G#, A, Bb, Bits vector = p6m4n4s4d6t8
>>121591985delusions of grandeur>>121591993>>121592168thank you pathetic loner
>>121592182you're welcome.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnBYzLGs27A
now playingHaven't heard either of these string quartets in almost a decade, used to love them immensely.
>>121592371thank you pathetic loner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pITS01mC82I
>>121592466more accurate cover, sorry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dJ1tlH4fr4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtrJvfBDshc
"The Loner with Pathos in His Eyes"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodyYt3X9Hw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2IsLJFrX9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyAep-F1j_8
>>121592517delusions of grandeur, tranime sister
"Pathos of the Faustian Loner"
>>121592680delusions of grandeur, tranime sister
>>121586511what the fuck was his problem?
>>121593485fat
>>121593485"He was a Pathetic Loner"
>>121593485he overdosed on chromatic counterpoint and asymmetric phrasing.
Rachmaninoff was aware that his music sucked balls. I can appreciate that he was self aware of that fact.
>>121586511fat lana
>>121593485Studied with Riemann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeCkOKYh44vector = p3m6n3d3mode = Aeolian
>>121593635Except that his Piano Concerto No.2 is one of the greatest pieces ever written. Kill yourself.
>>121593703fuck off. Hugo Riemann basically solved harmony.Schenkerians will disagree but they're all retarded Jews anyway so who cares, lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqDXbprnfA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Wm3bgIgK8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReHR2SHdUss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4EsO47POQw
>>121593961Studying with Riemann is where Reger went wrong
>>121590153Well it didn't sound good. Next time try to create a theme.
>>121594680ok. I'll post it in either this thread or the next.
>>121594187how so?
>>121594042Just from his name I thought he was Indian it’s so annoying cause I had a great joke lined up
Haha le funny meme
>>121594765you are extremely retarded
>>121594839I don’t come across many Finnish people or their wacky names. It sounds pretty Indian to me at first glance
>>121594680>>121594702https://vocaroo.com/1jRbutANpnz6this one sticks to more normal harmonies.
>>121587941The word "Grandest" is denoting the property of the adjective "Giant". The sentence in its entirety is singing the praise of Wagner the Titan who fought in the great war of Olympus. Wagner was the Orpheus, who went to the depths of Tartarus to rescue his wife that is "Musica". Free her from the infernal and polluted land and together with her soar high in the skies uncaged, a feat only the Grandest of all the Giants could undertake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx40Aj2gUa4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=gGpEHyKdx1SArtxP&v=kxeqUivirYk&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p44c80o7RKY
>>121595169Make Kaliningrad German again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMLl3jHoVqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYaf1xx1BGMit's a shame Hovhaness didn't write more pieces like this.
>>121594832I didn't understand Chopin and Ravel, explain please.Ravel's "watery" hands must be connected to impressionism? And Chopin's...whisk? Relaxed hand position?
>>121595440the whole thing is retarded and cringe inducing.
>>121595309No they don’t deserve it
>>121595440ravel is because of the frequent hand crossing I think, not sure about Chopin.
>>121595465Deutschland Uber Alles!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Eq9H4bSdQTotal Slav Death!
>>121595515See this is what I mean y’all can’t behave
>>121595586we've had one northern crusade, yes. but what about a second northern crusade?
>>121593514delusions of grandeur, tranime sister>>121593572>>121593739>>121593961>>121594702>>121594709>>121595114>>121595348>>121595322no one asked, pathetic loner>>121595169>>121595515thank you wagnersisters>>121595651not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/pol/ instead, wignat sister?
>>121595678Thank you sister sister
>>121595678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q_iI1jhb7U&t=367
>>121595756no one asked, pathetic loner
What is the most joyous symphony? I mean the sound of transcendent, euphoric joy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWRRCAd3koQ
>>121595983Probably the one featuring the Ode to Joy.
>>121596010Too philosophical
>>121595983Haydn's 99th https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfI7auXxTVw&t=1366
>>121595983Mahler 1
>>121596197fuck off.
>>121596208It is the most joyous symphony though, even the dirge is cute.
>MahlerMore like MEHler
>>121596251More like Mauler because of how he maula your ear drums
>>121596299More like midler because he was so mid Hitler banned him lmao
YUJA
>>121595983Jupiter
>>121596373This
>>121596373You mean the Symphony No 41 of Mozart?
>>121596690It's the only notable work with that name.
>>121596722he might've been thinking of holst
>>121596738Not a symphony.
>>121596763are you sure?
>>121596786It's a movement in a suite
>>121596823so you're unsure
I too will listen to Jupiter, conducted by Klemperer, to start my morning off with a mug of coffee.
>>121597060"For I have known them all already, known them all:Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons,I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;"---- ts eliot rodger
>>121596039no one asked, pathetic loner>>121596338thank you coomer
>Andante con moto quasi allegretto moderato ma non troppo vivaceWhat was Beethoven's problem?
I'm not crazy to say that the first movement of a piece is the best one 90% of the time, ye? Or is it just an attention-span thing?
>>121597286maybe try >>>/mu/ instead
>>121596197>muh-LerA lesser, wannabe Bruckner for bagelmunchers
>>121597368thank you tranime sister
>>121597368Brucknerd is zzzzzz tho
>>121597286It's because the first is almost always a fast movement in sonata form which you and many others find more enjoyable than a minuet/scherzo or a slow rondo
>>121597444Perhaps. I also find that the composer uses their most interesting and beautiful melodies near the start. Which makes sense, of course.
>>121597286I would say the slow movements are generally equally good.
>>121596039Look people, we've just discovered the clitoris! Let's diddle away!>>121596019Nonsense. It's the best piece of music ever written, bar none. Not even his own stuff, before or after, comes close. It's perfect harmony between form and function, tradition and innovation, message and theme from start to finish.
>>121597693>Look people, we've just discovered the clitoris! Let's diddle away!lol what?Also, run! The missa solemnis and op. 131 & 132 gang will be arriving any time now to whoop dat ass.
Dong Suk Kang
>>121597718Dong Suk Kang's Yuja Wang
>>121597693Explain this, then>The alpha and omega is Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, marvellous in the first three movements, very badly set in the last. No one will ever approach the sublimity of the first movement, but it will be an easy task to write as badly for voices as in the last movement. And supported by the authority of Beethoven, they will all shout: "That's the way to do it..."
>>121597768Damn! source?
Lang Lang
>>121597788Letter of April 1878 in Giuseppe Verdi: Autobiografia delle Lettere, Aldo Oberdorfer ed., Milano, 1941, p. 325.
>>121597768counterpoint is beyond the scope of the italian mind
>>121597992Counterpoint is boring, Italians know better.
>>121598111An interesting counter point sorella
>>121586511Les Djinns are circulating around in my head at the moment, for whatever reason they never seem to leave me, try as I might they remain with me at all times. I am somehow everywhere and nowhere at the same timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM0Nu_WkfRQ
>>121598111t. wop
>>121598195I guess they never miss, huh?
Recommendations for someone who has basically listened to everything from Machaut to Ligeti?
>>121598283https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=6qU5nJ8ur01hLCGd
Did my daily walk listening to Bach cantatas BWV 51 and 147, how magnificent they are! And listening to them while out in the world, with the pillowy grey expanse above, its twin in color pavement beneath my legs below, and automobile multitudes racing pass beside.a Bach cantata a day keeps the Gould Ghoul away!
>>121598283And yes, the canon is basically ccorrect. The greatest works ever are Josquin's Pange Lingua mass, Monteverdi's Orfeo, J.S. Bach's cantata 140, Mozart's The Magic Flute and his clarinet quintet, Beethoven's string quartets opp. 131 & 132, Schubert's piano sonata in b-flat D.960 and string quintet and finally Wagner's Parsifal.
>>121598283>>121598508So what do you need recommendations from us for?
>>121598508thank you wagnersister
>>121598283more recent stuff i guess
The political connotations of learned counterpoint were quite plain. The stile antico had stood as a bulwark of conservatism and orthodoxy ever since J. J. Fux published his Hapsburg-funded Gradus ad Parnassum (1725) as a corrective to a decadent age “when music has become almost arbitrary and composers refuse to be bound by any rules and principles, detesting the very name of school and law like death itself.”
>>121598640thank you schizo wop
>>121597235You think that's something, look at the descriptions for Sibelius' symphonies.
>>121598676the worst composer in the world
>>121597286Nah, it's an attention span thing; Brahms' first Piano Quartet is the most top-heavy piece of music; there are no good melodies in the first three movements, then bam it hits you with a 3 fire rondo
>>121598627Don't you have more videos to record Dave?
>>121598692Well the lack of form in Sibelius is his main weakness.
>>121598719thank you wagnersister>>121598720the worst composer in the world
>>121598726That is Michael Nyman, objectively speaking.
"The Pathos of the Solitary Walker"
>>121598739delusions of grandeur, tranime sister
>>121598720Late Sibelius is very carefully constructed and formally integrated, especially in the seventh. The forms just aren't conventional.
NP: Emil Gilels playing B's opp. 101 & 106
>>121598778the worst composer in the world
>>121598720You must be completely deaf if you can't hear that Sibelius' symphonies are structurally completely coherent
>>121598816the worst composer in the world
>>121598841You need not even reply, your tone deafness is well known
>>121598867laughably retarded
Favorite recording of the Brahms piano quartets? I have the ones by Beaux Arts, Borodin Trio, and Guarneri, and just added Gould Trio and Domus to try them out.
>>121598891katchen suk starker
>>121598918O I love all three of them, didn't know they had a recording of the Brahms piano trio! Added. But sorry, I was asking about the piano quartets, not the piano trios, unless I just don't see theirs.
>>121598944misread, i can’t help you with the quartets.
>>121598891Domus for me.
>>121598778So what system contains them?
>>121598997Ah no worries, thanks for the other rec, will definitely listen to them next time I'm in the mood for the piano trios.>>121599000That's what I'm listening to now for the first time, and so far I'm inclined to agree, this op. 25 is excellent.
>>121598816There are recapitulations but its basically just an onslaught of various melodies. I like his pieces nonetheless.
>>121598875How come he has a music program named after him if he’s so bad?
>>121599062because said music program is also horrifically shit (as are all notation softwares)
>>121599071This. DAWs 4 life!
lol this reviewfor the Menuhin / Klemperer recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto and two Romances.
>>121599114not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>121599035Are you perhaps confusing Nielsen with Sibelius?
I did all those autistic schoenberg exercises now what books should I read?
Huh I've never seen Beethoven's Piano Sonata 30 & 31 divided like this before; is this a thing? Kinda annoying.
>>121599236i get a little annoyed when attacca movements are divided but this always pisses me the fuck off
>>121599007There's no system because like a lot of his contemporaries he was trying to develop his own formal language in a national style. It's not very esoteric though, mostly homophonic and folk-like and based on varying motives that recur and interconnect. Tapiola for example is entirely based on variations of the opening motive.
>>121599236mental retard split the variations in op 109 into separate tracks and the fugue/arioso in 110 into separate tracks. record labels deserve death. >>121599295the worst composer in the world
"The Reveries of the Pathetic Loner"
>>121599344delusions of grandeur, tranime sister
>>121599287Haha before I looked at the track lengths I thought maybe there were just a ton of different live versions included, lol. Anyway, time to see if Kovacevich's complete Beethoven piano sonatas will match or even replace Kempff and Backhaus for me!>>121599330Yeah it's pretty lame. Luckily with premium it semi-pre-loads the next track so there is minimal stoppage or transition gaps, but if I were just using the free service then it would make this recording pretty much unlistenable.
>>121599295I would say that is the minority of his works. But albeit [used correctly] I'm just trying to account for Andorno's et all argument that he is the worst composer. I would agree it doesn't seem much less formally coherent than a lot of other late romantic composers. I've never listened that critically to any Sibelius.
>>121599071A fair rebuttal sister
>>121597693dude shut up, damn
>>121599369It's the majority of his works after he stopped trying to be Tchaikovsky. Even his very early works like Kullervo and the Lemminkainen Suite have the seeds of it. By the third symphony he's starting albeit imperfectly to make it into a symphonic style. The objection to Sibelius is basically that he's rusticated and relies on effects rather than craft. The seventh symphony is made up of severely interrelated parts but not in a way that really conforms to classical symphonic norms nor to new modernist forms, plus he had mass appeal in the Anglosphere, which was widely seen as unmusical and commercial in the early 20th century especially.
Karajan's Tchaikovsky 6 (DG) :)
You guys have recs for ear training?
Watching the NBA playoffs on mute while listening to Kertesz's Dvorak 9 :)
Les Troyens
"The Most Pathetic Loner Who Ever Walked on Earth"
I wonder if Émilie Bouchard (née Ulysse aka Tallis) still likes Berlioz.
>>121602163delusions of grandeur, tranime wagnersister
HEIL WAGNER
friendly reminder that due to a funny misunderstanding I'd never seen your favorite little composer Vagner who never sold much
>>121602639thank you wignat wagnersister
Wasnt one of you fuckers talking about mixolydian being the center of tonal gravity and the b7 consonance?
>>121602814Yeah I remember somebody like that. I would say it's the most versatile mode in its range of expression but Ionian has more desirable features in terms of voice-leading options.
Strausshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiK-DiswiGU
Brucknerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oExu-p5Lrlo
>>121603033Ah yes reviewing a bit I remember he mentioned the b7 is the first overtone after the major 3rd which does lend some credence to the claim interesting
Listening to classical radio stations from around the world, I have found the following. American stations tend to be more eclectic and include works from after 1950, as well as lesser known records, composers and ensembles. On the other hand, european radio stations tend to be a bit more shallow, as they may end up playing a piece multiple times a day, often gravitating towards repertoire works, common composers, signature records and will hardly play pieces from after 1930.This lead me to conclude that, if one is starting in the world of classical, they should listen to european stations, and if they want to expand more, they should listen to american radio stations.
>>121603253Not really, it's just where the note happens to end up by the next leap and truly it is slightly sharp; somewhere between a minor and major 7th, iirc
>>121603380Based Europeans and cringe amerimutts, as always.
>>121603380Both those options suck. The CBC is constantly playing virtue-signally pieces from black and native composers and even female at that. Meanwhile how many times can you listen to Dvorak 9?
>In Paris in 1858, Wagner listened to Berlioz reading the libretto of Les Troyens with a mounting anxiety, so that "I really found myself wishing that I might never see him again since, in the end, to be so utterly unable to help a friend can only become unbearably painful. The text is clearly the pinnacle of his misfortune, which nothing now can surpass.">Six years earlier, in a letter to Liszt (Wagner considered Berlioz, Liszt and himself the three most important composers of the day), he had written: "If ever a musician needed a poet, it is Berlioz, and it is his misfortune that he always adapts his poet to his own musical whim, arranging now Shakespeare, now Goethe, to suit his own purpose. He needs a poet to fill him through and through, a poet who is driven by ecstasy to violate him, and who is to him what man is to woman." But the poet Wagner had in mind for this job of violating Berlioz was Wagner himself. He thought that Berlioz ought to set the story of Wieland the Smith, a German legend of which he, Wagner, had written the prose outline. (Adolf Hitler, we are told, later contemplated setting the same subject.)
>>121603596I was reading that it's possible composers suck today because they're not this embittered towards one another as they used to beThey used to say horrible things about one anotherTchaikovsky said Brahms was a talentless bastardIf a student said that today they'd be socially ostracized with no argument, labeled a conceited asshole and forgotten
>>121603399It's flat not sharp Starting on the major third going downwards in fifths generates mixolydian
>>121603525>there's only one radio station in america and its canadian
>>121603644Have you seen the movie Tàr?I would say it's because colleges are now more focused on gender and race identity rather than teaching students how to exploit their talents and skills.
>>121603644>>121603760neither of you have stepped foot anywhere near a conservatory
>>121603810I went to college.
>>121603727wdhmbt?
>>121603818>not a conservatorypoint proven
>birdboy actually thought this sounded like Mozart https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=00p6Ia-7j4g
>>121603810conservatories are a scam
>>121603810Your point being? Do you just say things and expect to be taken seriously?
I'm ambivalent about vector anon. I mean at least he's trying to contribute but on the other hand he is using theory to mask what is genuinely terrible-mediocre and unexceptional music.
>>121604007What music has he posted that is particularly mediocre?
>>121604051All the vocaroo examples of vectors in a language nobody follows.
>>121603981boo hoo>>121603989that neither of the posts i replied to have any basis in reality
>>121604088I'm pretty sure he's just outlining scales in those. All the actual examples of pieces he's posted with the ideas in context are more or less canonical works of the Western canon.
>>121604117Do you have an argument to support this claim or should I just assume all conversatorie kids are brainwash camp indoctrinates who can't fathom the difference between opinion and fact?
>>121604007>>121604051>>121604088>>121604125he is a delusional pathetic loser and deserves to be treated as such>>121604158you can assume whatever you want, and you can also be wrong.
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>>121604172You can say whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true. If you can't provide an argument, your opinion as always is invalid
>>121604125Right, I wasn't talking about the recs.
