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>tfw have to wait until DT for playable Eldar
>VT3 will be first

OP is a heretic

>>507414471
Glad to hear it improved. I decided to check back in after a year or two had passed since the EA launch, given how unfinished it still was and the fact that I doubt my current PC could run it anyway.

>>507414402
hot

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Radical Grendyl when? I want my Daemonhost class

>>507414852
Never

>>507414923
At least he's serving the Imperium while you're standing there gawking.

>>507414402
gosh… imagine his girthy 20 inch primarch manhood in her tight little aeldari love tunnel…~~~ >W<

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>>507415003
he does it for free

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Can you guys recommend me a good laptop for video games? Making the switch over to desktop but can’t just get so figured I’ll settle for a laptop for the time being. Need something beefy and long lasting for on the go gayming needs

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>Youtube, Reginald: The Havoc 40 Ogryn Meta Build
>he says chorus is bottom bitch damage
>says he'd rather have a competent ogryn over a competent chorus zealot
>completely disregards the fact that flamer singlehandedly clears entire hordes and monstrosities (the part where damage actually matters)
>posts scoreboards with upwards of 1 million damage on 2 people, and 400-600k on the zealots (what the fuck were they doing)
What a disingenuous faggot. No shit your zealots don't do anything when they're useless retards. Nigger must've never seen 3 back-to-back choruses with the pure shitness these zealots are running.
>that crit rate on the zealots
I cannot fathom having less than 25% crit at all times. What the fuck were they building?

A singular flamer zealot and a veteran with ammo aura completely invalidate whatever the ogryn might be able to bring to the board just by virtue of having infinite horde clear and extremely hard control. You don't need to dive if everything is dead. You don't need to clutch if a situation never escalates in the first place.
And you can do just fine without the veteran and just bring a second zealot. One of them just doesn't get any ammo pickups.

>the devs listen to retards like this

>>507416904
What build did he even use for metagryn?
Only good ability in havoc is taunt.

>>507416904
I genuinely have no clue what his zealots were doing. I won't claim to be the best Zealot player or the most experienced Havoc runner, but I still hit just shy of 1mil on my very first Havoc 40 with the Relic Blade + Bolt Pistol, and the Purg Psyker and Flamer Zealot were only 100-200k above me. I did get shit on by a 1.4mil Pury Psyker in a 37 (memorable because the highest I'd done before that was a 30), but even then, I still hit 800k that game. What the actual fuck, dude.
>Nigger must've never seen 3 back-to-back choruses with the pure shitness these zealots are running.
The hell are you running to get that kind of CDR to even have it up by the time the other guy's Chorus ends? Are you building purely for cooldown reduction? I run (gimped) BP, Scourge, and IOD with 12% from curios and still couldn't do that. I'd probably need the "CDR given on health loss" and to eat damage to achieve that, yellow stims notwithstanding.
>I cannot fathom having less than 25% crit at all times. What the fuck were they building?
I end up at 20% melee crit 'cause I take Stalwart over the extra 10% and earlier activation while not getting any extra from my weapon/blessings. Dunno how they fall short of even that though.

>>507417625
Shield, heavy stubber, nuke, bullrush, feel no pain, bleed focus stacking DR.
He makes good points for how and why the build is good, and I agree with most of it. He just doesn't seem to understand how busted zealot is because he only plays with complete retards.

>>507417717
>The hell are you running to get that kind of CDR
You got it right. HP meme build with full martyrdom tree (but taking blazing piety instead). Even on supportcuck aura builds I dump out competitive damage by just spamming flamer.

>>507417717
The second Zealot has a very high weakspot percent but a very low crit percent, so maybe he was only using a DS? This would explain why the other Zealot has a much higher crit percent (assume he was the one using the Flamer while the other one mostly just stuck to melee). Where the divide occurs is total kills between the two. If the first one was indeed the flamer, then he either got cucked hard by the Purg Psyker on Soulflame tics or he was just doing a bad job in general. The other guy just might not have been doing much damage in general.

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>>507416904
well yeah, we're the only normal people who can engage in a mature conversation and at least reach a consensus, unlike you spergs who can't abstain yourselves for 10 minutes from being genuine and utter cretins. do better. hoe.

>>507416598
>laptop
>beefy
>long lasting
that's gonna be expensive

>>507417975
>You got it right. HP meme build with full martyrdom tree (but taking blazing piety instead). Even on supportcuck aura builds I dump out competitive damage by just spamming flamer.
Oh, yeah that makes sense. I'll keep it in mind for the future. I haven't felt like my CDR has been much of a problem, especially since I bum the first CDR stim I find just in case shit truly flies, but I've mostly had good teammates in high Havocs.

>>507417984
>The second Zealot has a very high weakspot percent but a very low crit percent, so maybe he was only using a DS?
I don't know. It's not like it specifically being the DS would matter much to his crit, but it does make sense for his high weakspot %. The real question is what keystone he ran since he clearly wasn't running BP. Were it not for his weakspot % (and assuming his weakspot % is an agregate of both melee+ranged since that table doesn't specify), I'd think he took a flamer and just wasn't able to use it more due to no Vet. If he's building around flamer, he could've taken IJ since that attack speed also benefits guns, and the absent Vet combined with the addition of an Ogryn means two new people (Ogryn and first Zealot who, if he's not a flamer, wouldn't need ammo pickups with Surv) competing for ammo. With no/little flamer ammo and just a DS, I could see his damage being in that range. I really wanna believe that between your suggestion of the DS and my thoughts on his ranged choice, we've got his build, but the flamer doesn't give you any weakspot %, so I find it hard to believe he lands 31% overall in spite of it.

>>507416598
>gaming laptop
You're jamming extremely high performance parts into an incredibly cramped space and running them at higher temperatures than they should run at. You'll get about a year of performance out of the thing before the hardware starts choking out, unless you want to go through the trouble of regularly disassembling half the thing to clear out dust and replace thermal paste on all components that have it.

If you need to be mobile, just use GeForce NOW. Or get a Steam Deck. Or both if that's possible, I'm actually not sure. Remote play latency obviously matters if you play a lot of twitch-heavy shooters, and Steam Deck wants you to use the sticks, so obviously YMMV. Otherwise, a decent mid-range workstation laptop is your best bet. A beefy, retired and refurbished workspace laptop will be the best bang for your buck, if you don't mind cosmetic defects like the occasional dead pixel or something. Contact the vendor for details if you really care.
Either way, avoid gaming laptops like the plague, you're paying double for a quarter of the longevity of a normal-ass computer.

Consider asking over in >>>/g/ I'm sure they have a better idea.

>>507416904
Yeah the video was weird. I mean the build is fine and I'm sure an Ogryn can carry their weight but dissing on chorus is odd. One of them in a team is always nice to have.

>>507418435
>and the absent Vet combined with the addition of an Ogryn means two new people competing for ammo.
I think this is the faggiest part of it all.
>griefs the zealot by stealing all their ammo
>calls the zealot weak

>>507418994
That's less of a "bringing an Ogryn" problem and more of a "why did you bring 2 Zealots AND an Ogryn" problem. Should've just run a 1-1-1-1 comp.

>>507416904
>>507417717
Inferno will be blasting all game, taking most of the kills.
Ogryn will be attacking all game, cleaving the horde.
That leaves zealots on clean up duty. They deal with whatever is left, while also spending 1/3rd of the time chorusing. No wonder they have bottom damage.

Honestly I think this scoreboard is indicative of a team that worked well together, everyone had their roles and it worked. Maybe not THE beset zealots but if they can protect the psyker and keep the team alive, they're doing their job. The zealot with 31% weakspot hits must have been laser focused on dealing with crushers and maulers the entire game.

>>507419052
Yeah, but then going back to the original argument that made me mad enough to rant about it
>prefer an ogryn over a chorus zealot
is still completely retarded, because having two zealots means you can chains two choruses together while one of them is constantly pumping flames into the enemy.
I literally just had a game like that. The other zealot had a lot more kills because, what do you know, I left him all the ammo because he was extremely trigger happy. That was fine. I'm built for CDR. Other zealot was second place for damage, him and I were top score for elite and special kills respectively, both of us had more boss damage EACH than the two psykers combined. And that was just a normal run for me. What the fuck are Reginald's zealots doing?

>>507419232
it's normal for zealots to drop the flamer if there's a flame psyker on the team

>>507419318
>put warpfire and promethium on enemies
>they now die twice as quick

>literally anything goes wrong for even a split second
>psyker fucking dies because that's what they do
>you now have no horde clear and immediately wipe

It being normal and common doesn't mean it's a good idea. People frequently do retarded shit. I can at least see an argument for running recon las, as that lets you fill the role of shooter cleanup while still retaining enormous boss damage, but none of the other weapons meaningfully contribute to zealot's usual roles. And hell, shooter cleanup should be the vet's or second psyker's job, because they're that much better at range.

>>507416904
>(what the fuck were they doing)
probably spamming chorus, which prevents them from doing damage while channeling to keep their dumbasses alive

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>>507419616
>ogryn is so useless, the zealots are forced to spam chorus off-cooldown to even keep the team alive
>talk of having unnecessarily to dive and clutch where a good team never even reaches applicable situations
>survivorship bias kicking in so hard that you don't realize the zealots are "bottom bitch damage" because your useless ass was griefing them into a hard support role
Classic jewtuber

>>507419571
in the 40s i've cleared the zealots had revolver/bolt pistol for quickly taking out dangerous specialists. It makes my life as psyker pretty safe and easy.

>>507419208
The problem isn't that they're bottom damage. The problem is just how fucking low their damage is. 470k is so low I genuinely don't understand how it could be that low in a 40 unless you just aren't attacking or took a grey weapon. I have my suspicions about the other guy which I've already stated, and if those are true, then it's reasonable since the DS is not going to get you a high overall damage number on its own.
>while also spending 1/3rd of the time chorusing
You don't need to spam it off CD, and spamming it off CD can, in fact, fuck you over. You end up using it ~twice in the average mixed horde encounter, and the rest of the time you're dealing damage. You aren't missing nearly as much DPS uptime as you imply. Unless you've been playing with turbo-shitters who can't handle even the dregs without constant stagger.

>>507419232
Yeah I dunno what those Zealots were on. I don't think I care too much about losing a Chorus for an Ogryn if the Ogryn can control mixed hordes well enough to make up for the lack of defensive utility from Chorus. Being able to keep shit corralled while it burns is the main thing. You really don't need two Choruses. It's just the best ability Zealot has for 40s by a wide margin. If he was truly acting like Chorus equates to shit-tier damage though, then he's retarded. You can do fine damage with it, and topping the scoreboard is secondary to winning, and Chorus is the best ability Zealot has for winning 40s. It's not even close.

>>507419318
What the other guy said

>>507420006
Flamer zealot will most likely still have knives. One Zealot with knives and one with Bolt Pistol/whatever alongside your Vet will easily handle all specials if they aren't collectively shitters.

>>507420006
Only works if they don't have the green aids, or have a head parasite. Revolver barely functions against pus-hardened skin, bolt pistol might be alright with the bleed. Chorus and/or puffing flames in their direction does the trick. Throwing knives also work.

>>507419973
>>ogryn is so useless, the zealots are forced to spam chorus off-cooldown to even keep the team alive
kek I hadn't thought of that. Hilarious if true

>>507416904
not watching your video

>>507420139
That's a lot of words.
One point people seem to miss is how a team can still beat 40 without having 100% optimal builds or 4x great players. It speaks to how effective Chorus can be. That even in the hands of retards it's still valuable.
The most important thing in h40 is survivability. As long as the team can survive, DPS simply dictates how long the mission will last.

>>507420583
>That's a lot of words.
Phoneposters >>>/out/
Agreed about the rest

>>507420165
>pus-hardened skin
i heard fire/soulblaze ignores hardened skin. is this true?

>>507420583
>The most important thing in h40 is survivability.
True, however,
>As long as the team can survive, DPS simply dictates how long the mission will last.
you've got it the wrong way around. DPS dictates how many fewer situations you have, where you're allowed to make mistakes. Every time a mauler survives long enough to potentially touch someone, they might make the mistake of forgetting to dodge, or dodging in the wrong direction, or getting stuck on something. Having fuck-you amounts of horde DPS means you never even have the opportunity to make those mistakes, and are thus allowed to make more mistakes elsewhere.

>>507420954
Yeah, hence recon las being one of the best weapons.

>>507420583
>That even in the hands of retards it's still valuable.
I don't entirely agree with that. I've played too many missions where the retard on chorus/bubble/VoC either can't keep up a good CD, and/or doesn't know how to properly use it. People use it for engagements that don't require it, and in the moment the effect wears off you have a mixed horde and bosses on top of you.
Also had too many missions where retards barely use it at all, and they're not busy dishing out damage exactly. You end up with a dead weight that might use their one redeeming quality in the right moment, maybe.

>>507421069
I've had at least two instances of people praising me for using chorus "creatively" to aggressively push and stun groups of shooters, instead of standing around like a bot.
This isn't huffing my own farts. I think it's extremely worrying that this is even worth pointing out, because I've been trying to observe other zealots ever since, and yeah. People don't know how to chorus correctly. The best use is an aggressive push, and most retards just use it as a panic button.
It's only okay as a panic button. Any form of stun might cuck you out of the animation and delay it, and if you're some stupid toughness build (why would you with chorus), you don't have enough health to tank through it and just take a knee before it ever comes out.

>>507420992
The team gets mistake-protection from the fuck-you amounts of piss armor and cc.

>>507421363
Yes, that's the point.
And you can have both on a zealot, at the same time if you just commit an immolation grenade before chorus.
If you have two zealots, they naturally alternate between support/cc and damage, and it doesn't matter if one of them goes down, the other can always buy space for the res.

>>507417975
>Shield, heavy stubber, nuke, bullrush, feel no pain, bleed focus stacking DR.
Feel no pain is bad the 25% DR is not worth it.
And going with taunt you are constantly applying 25% damage on everything on top of your 15% damage from soften them up.
Heavy hitter is better and going for HH gives you more DR over all because you get the skill which gives you 15% DR when charging heavies.
Stubber is not worth using because it can't even 1 shot a dreg gunner to the head in auric maelstrom and same goes for any specials like trappers. And havoc cucks your ammo as well. And they made all enemies more resistant to guns.

>>507419973
This 100%
Regi is just dumb and understands his own data wrong.

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bull rush needs i frames like chastise the wicked, yes or yes?

>>507420992
>you've got it the wrong way around
not if you read "As long as the team can survive" correctly. You're talking about different hypothetical. But in your scenario, I agree more dps would provide more safety.

>>507422663
Either I frames or a powerful damage reduction.
It's crazy it's not already in the game.

>>507422456
He posted two different videos of taking an hour to get through a mission that had him on ogryn. I don't think I've taken longer than 40 on a really bad run. I don't get it.
Maybe it's because they're too busy non-stop yapping for the viewers or something. I keep having successful and fast missions with anti-social assholes that never say a word.

>>507422663
>>507422931
Bull rush should make you take increased damage.

>>507423081
>I don't think I've taken longer than 40 on a really bad run. I don't get it.
I got my true survivor title from a match that took 50 minutes.
2x bubble psykers
2x zealot bubble guardians
It took a long time but we were super safe the whole way through. Didn't have a single emergency.

>>507423523
>true survivor
Okay yeah, valid. Just scrubbing through Reginald's videos, these assholes constantly have a player down or dead.

>>507422663
Yeah, it should have I frames.

>damnation game with randoms
>leveling 5th character
>3 retards uselessly sit in place in the same room on the first horde
>havoc 21 tardgryn spams all of his (grenade gauntlet) ammo away during this time
>repeatedly revives some dude inside of fire (lol)
>feels like infinite bombers because nobody besides myself is ever moving to get them
>but also someone has to do the objective
>but also someone has to revive the retards taking a knee every 3 steps
>2 decorative medkits that are never deployed between like 3 different deaths
Jesus Christ

>>507422663
No, it just needs a shorter cooldown. So instead of you holding onto it, you bowl over enemies just by your own cooldown every 10-15 seconds. Then the team can shorten that down.

>>507425395
>end up wiping because he blows up 2 bursters on me back to back and the team suddenly has zero DPS

>>507416904
new player here how can I tell what my crit rate is?

>>507426737
With a mod.
Also gameslantern lists the base critchance for all classes.

>>507414402
what is this faggot shit

>>507429625
Canon.

>>507416598
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/acer-predator-helios-18-gaming-laptop-18-2560-x-1600-ips-240hz-intel-i9-14900hx-geforce-rtx-4080-32gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-abyssal-black/6576634.p?skuId=6576634

I basically own this but in a 16” screen because I travel for work and I can get a rock steady 120 in darktide. The important thing is to get a good cooling pad for it to sit on because the thing is a fucking space heater

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any1 wan join mi havek geimu
NA clearance 30

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What purpose do ogryns serve?

>>507434865
meme purpose so reddit will buy the game

>>507434865
Crowd control. They rape in melee purely because nothing can hit you if they're knocked on their ass, which ogryn is very good at doing to entire groups of mixed hordes and crusher spam no matter how thick they are.
Fatshart wanted them to be the supportive class, but forgot that you don't need to provide supportive crowd control if everything is just dead instead, which every other class does outright better.

>>507434865
I genuinely dont even notice them sometimes

>>507435051
Also they want ogryn to be the tank class who gets in the enemy's face who keeps beating them even if they trade blows.
But then they keep nerfing them and their tankiness.

>play with Ogryn on team on regular Damnation because grinding penances still
>Ogryn has a Paul and Rumbler with Taunt
>???
>he never once sprints throughout the entire game, literally not once, dodges all the time though to the point that he's clear in negative dodge
>fires the Rumbler with reckless abandon the whole game, scooping up ammo
>somehow didn't come in last and even clutched at one point???

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happy ratmas coopg

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>need exactly one Krak grenade kill for the penance
>QP
>run straight into a Rager horde that has a Crusher following it
>get downed but tagged the Crusher
>way ahead of the rest of the squad
>"Merry Xmas!"
>Quit game

>>507436479
>ratcel trying to take the Christ out of Christ-mas

>look up forever winter's water mechanics "rework"
>bunch of convoluted shit just to keep the offline timer everyone is bitching about
Those retards are really ready to literally die on that fucking hill, aren't they?

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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

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>>507443396
>offline timer

>>507444073
I didn't pay much attention to forever nigger but I think there's a timer and if you don't play at least once per week you lose shit or soemthing like this

>>507444265
>your shit goes missing when you're not looking
truly a black owned studio

>>507444073
Base upgrades (progression) stay only if you have water stockpiled, brought back from missions. Water steadily decreases over time including when offline. If water runs out then all base upgrades are lost.

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>>507445161
>market your game around being a developer against all the fomo gaas slop
>releases fomo gaas slop

>>507444061
Fuck off, thread splitting bitch

>>507445372
Well I think they might have gotten away with it if they didn't destroy the illusion with their ridiculously early alpha release with such slipshod implementation of enemies. People will forgive a lot if offered a good novel experience.

>>507444794
Bravo

>>507446281
The devs didn't even want to release anything yet desu or put it in early access but all the playtesters wanted it.
I think the devs should just say "it's early access, it's shit and you know what you're getting into.

Though I do hope they don't fuck up their game.

>>507445372
See, there's literally nothing wrong with a resource upkeep system in an extraction shooter, so that there is always an element of desperation and willingly giving up loot in order to return home with water. Except they doggedly want it decrease in real time instead of only during play, which is dumb. Leave stamina systems of any kind to mobile games where the player can realistically interact with their chores at any time.

>>507445372
knew something was fishy the second their trailers and marketing reeked of "I'm not like the other girls"

>>507416904
Flamer Zealot is just competing with Inferno psyker for infinite horde clear spam anyway. So of course they're doing low damage? Why not take a Vet with Plasma and Shredders? Genuinely why NOT take a zealot with FotF so he can actually be useful? He can literally STILL take a flamer instead of standing around fiddling with his book all the time.

>>507434865
a karsolas heavy hitter ogryn can chew through mixed hordes like a motherfucker and kill crusher packs faster than DS with special heavy light loops. That being said he’s still kind of a worse zealot because even though baseline horde clear is stronger his kit loses to zealot by a vast margin on flexibility

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>>507414402
This franchise would unironically be a lot more popular if there were more Eldar and human teamwork.
Another change is stop trying to make them different for the same of being different and just make them beautiful humans. I dont understand the westoid obsession with forcing diversity in races when it just makes them ugly or look stupid. Nobody wants your "unique elves" just make attractive humans with ears.

>>507451340
can you start posting an eldar with fat tits please

>>507435089
only time I notice them is when I'm trying to shoot at someone far away and the big lumbering dumbass keeps getting in the way.

>>507434865
Reginald unironically summed it up very well. It's funny how this nigga can play an Ogryn for like 10 games to level 60, and he's already got a better understanding of the classes strengths and weaknesses than 99% of ogryns you see around. My Ogryn is level 800 and everything he said was correct

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Merry Christmas, eve. Vet-kun!

>>507419232
I mean I see where he's coming from. At this point I prefer playing with an ogryn over a chorus zealot too because I'm tired of having invulnerability for half the match.

>>507451779
so what's his superb insight that will one day dethrone Hank?

>>507452421
there's nothing groundbreaking, but the key points are
>ogryn is good at holding a frontline without having to move backwards a lot
>ogryn is good at charging into density to knock everything on its ass and creating space
>on the same note, the charge can noclip through however many enemies you want, stun them, and res someone
>ogryn is also good at just generally melee killing shit on top of all this, and with the new stubber he can covershoot a little to contribute to solving the gunner question, and if he's smart he can charge into gunner nests in some situations

Also this is my own observations but the literal sole reason Ogryn doesn't get invited to havocs is because when someone sees all the applications, what he actually sees is
>wow, this guy has bubble, he's gonna keep giving me cover, and he's gonna give me CDR
>wow, this guy has chorus, he's gonna make me invincible and give me gold toughness and remove my toughness
>wow, this guy has voc, he's gonna give me gold toughness all the time and give me ammo

whereas ogryn is just
>wow, this guy can melee and specialkill really well but what does he do for me? DECLINED

If Ogryn had a gamebreaking OP aura or some other huge benefit for the person inviting him, he would get invited. It has nothing to do with ogryn being bad, it has everything to do with not giving the host a tangible stat buff.

>>507453110
>remove my toughness
was meant to say corruption, with beacon

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>>507451340
>I haven't coomed in the whole of 3 minutes... quick! post something sexual!

>>507420929
shut up we’re based

>>507434821
*breeds you*

>>507414402
>The hat fits almost perfectly on her head
Good instincts OP.
>>507429625
Seethe

>>507453745
you on the right, me on the left

>>507435538
>But then they keep nerfing them and their tankiness
Sounds like there’s some conflicting philosophy on the design team…

>>507436479
>>507443143
kek typical

>>507444794
wait, are they really???? gross

>>507451340
It’s a little tone deaf to post this in a thread with one of the most attractive elves I’ve ever seen as OP

>>507452093
*breeds you in the spirit of christmas*

>>507416598
You pretty much have to go with the very high end if you want something worth your time and money, in the range of 4-5k, those ones will probably do you good, but I should tell you that for that price you can literally get a PC that will do you even better, so unless you have 10k disposable income my advice would be to just wait until you can get the desktop if you can, unless you mean to get a lower end PC (wouldn’t recommend)

I was looking at that Reginald doxx someone posted a while back and honestly everything there makes perfect sense. What a tool.

>>507443396
>>507444265
>>507444794
>>507445161
>>507445372
>>507446281
>>507448115
>>507448483
>>507448816
So… it’s shit then? Or worth trying still?

>>507452093
Colonizing mating press (rape)

>>507445161
Wow that's garbage

has anyone been using the bologna tech with the shock hammers?

You know, I'm starting to wonder if /coopg/ should just relabel as /wdtg/ with how much focus is on Darktide.

>>507456357
>i'm obsessed with this guy and now i will bring attention to my old schizophrenic post, unprompted
okay

>>507458921
yeah but no one is any good at DT who posts here. They all sit around and seethe about some eCeleb no one gives a fuck about but can't clear havoc 30s.

>>507458921
Go ahead and make it and see if people will use it. You people always phrase it like
>should /coopg/...
but /coopg/ isn't a person. There is nobody in charge of this, people just use what they want, and one guy made the OP. You could be that one guy

>>507458921
Make whatever general you want broseph. I'd use it, but I'd use this one too.

>>507456814
I'd say it's worth a try. There is a demo available but I don't know how representative it is of the current game. The gameplay loop is pretty simple: get in, loot shit, get out. Once you learn the maps a bit the game gets significantly easier. Dying in a mission only causes you to lose your weapons and loot found, though I don't remember if you lose your rig.

>mastery skins dont even have a cog pattern, fatshark thought that the mechanicus pattern was checkered
jesus christ lmao

>>507452093
get this nigger off my screen

>>507448115
when your game is this bad in alpha, thats not a good thing, you should have a base understanding of making a FUN game, something that is meant to ENJOYED, there are better alphas you can play currently. what this means is that these devs are anthem devs, they have no idea what theyre doing what they should be prioritizing and we can just crunch it out in a year, this game is not ready until 3 or 4 years from now, which is bad because early access, playtests are suppose to build hype and generate marketing for free, but when its this bad, it does the opposite, which is not good, because games nowadays need to be outstanding, you cant take 3 years to release slop, which is what it is

>>507459552
Kill yourself Reginald

>>507461704
nah I've played games that were dogshit in alpha but ended up really good
it's just a question of wether the dev listens to feedback

>>507461961
i don't know why you're so obsessed with him, it's genuinely autistic

>>507458921
Are you new? Did you miss the past two weeks? There are autists who would never accept that.

>>507462074
>people talk about retard who says retarded things
>”Hey, that retard is actually genuinely retarded.”
>”bro???? why you talking bout retard??? obsessed bro???????”
Kill yourself Reginald. No more (You)s.

>>507453110
>It has nothing to do with ogryn being bad, it has everything to do with ogryn doing less for the team than other classes

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>>507462328
>GUYS GUYS REMEMBER WHEN I LE DOXXED REEEGINALD HUH REMEMBER THAT WASNT THAT COOL WHEN I DID THAT AM I COOL

>watching some hardstuck havoc 20 zealot play the game on twitch out of boredom
>healthbars
>circle aoe indicators
>extremely high range icons for every pickup so he can't msis anything
>when he fights hordes he just spams stabs with the dueling sword
>gets overwhelmed by moebians
cheaters...

>>507462503
I mean that's neither what I said nor is it true. The things Ogryn provides are substantial team benefits, even just never having to backtrack when 500 crushers pop up is actually huge. Him being able to just kill every boss whereever is huge too.
They're just not direct and visible buffs that counter a mechanic noticably, so people would rather to pick the shield to stand in or the golden toughness.

>507462507
Crying because you were revealed as a tard. Keep doing it.

>>507450132
>Flamer Zealot is just competing with Inferno psyker for infinite horde clear spam anyway.
It's no competition. Warpfire and promethium stack for literally double damage. A singular fuck-up might cause either of them to down/die, leaving you without horde clear. Having two sources of infinite cleave leaves more room for error.
>Why not take a Vet with Plasma and Shredders?
Plasma no, I'd say the ammo is still better off going to the zealot, and plasma is worse at killing monstrosities than infernus lasguns, and beast of nurgle is extremely dangerous at times. Vet's greatest strength is the ammo aura, with a side of frag grenade aoe. It's extremely rare that I miss a zealot in the lineup, and having another source of bubble or chorus is generally safer, ammo is just harder to come by.
>Genuinely why NOT take a zealot with FotF so he can actually be useful?
Chorus zealot is useful, both in chorus, and out of chorus. Chorus used well is a complete game changer. Flamer is disgustingly overpowered, you technically never need to melee. You don't need a skill to deal obscene melee damage either, and if you want big dick damage, the relic blade is quite strong for it, and incidentally synergizes with chorus extremely well due to its cooldown period.
Also FotF is selfish and promotes diving, both of which are heavily discouraged by just how punishing the numbers in havoc 40 become. The skill floor for successfully pulling off clutches in havoc 40 is immensely high. Not everyone is Mr. Unc, and keep in mind that some of his content is assuredly cherry picked from the successful runs. Still respect the fuck out of his plays though.

>>507462513
and I just noticed this guy has havoc 40 cleared. This nigger literally can't kill 3 maulers without dying with a dueling sword and he's got havoc 40
goes to show how meaningful that shit is

>>507463050
>It's extremely rare that I miss a zealot in the lineup,
I meant veteran. It's rare I miss the veteran. It's been a long day.

>>507463050
Veteran has like the highest horde damage in the game, and for free too. I think you not missign him is down to not noticing that

>>507463050
>Also FotF is selfish and promotes diving, both of which are heavily discouraged by just how punishing the numbers in havoc 40 become. The skill floor for successfully pulling off clutches in havoc 40 is immensely high. Not everyone is Mr. Unc, and keep in mind that some of his content is assuredly cherry picked from the successful runs. Still respect the fuck out of his plays though.
I feel like the problem here is the definition of META. Is Meta "what's good for people who need crutches" or "what is optimal for skilled players"?

>>507463873
No, that's purgatus psyker. I don't notice the missing veteran because I'm the horde clear with flamer. I acknowledge that it's not free, but 25% ammo doesn't matter when you're the only one picking it up, which is usually the case.
I appreciate a vet when he's there and spamming frags and ammo for my flamer, but runs without a vet haven't been any less successful or more stressful.

>>507464030
no vet clear is better than purgatus even, if they're not retarded and using it with uncanny they get 100% rending on their bleed stacks so they can screenclear an infinite amount of crushers and maulers too, all while spamming aoe staggers with the grenades and shouts and giving everyone +1 gold toughness condom constantly
Also synergizes heavily with ogryn, if you have skullcrusher and bowl over a crowd then the entire crowd now has 40% increased damage taken and bleed stacks. So one grenade wipes the screen. Extremely efficient

>>507464024
We've already had a discussion about people's definition for what "meta" means. The textbook definition comes down to what is most frequently used. Carcinization. Crabs are meta.
Zoomer currentyear gamers think "meta" means "what's optimal", but that isn't the case. It just happens that, once people know what the optimal strategy is, that everyone then uses the optimal strategy, which in turn becomes meta. However, especially in competitive games, the concept of a metagame is usually an evolving beast, with "anti-meta" technically achieving higher win rates when everyone uses the same shit, for example, thus shifting the metagame to adjust. This kind of autism extends to all kinds of competitive games, from RTS like starcraft, to fighting games, and even shit like pokemon.

I'm not approaching it from a perspective of meta. I don't give a fuck about a metagame, because most players are bad, and thus what is frequently used is bad. I care about what I know and have observed to be good.

>>507464302
>if they're not retarded and using it with uncanny they get 100% rending on their bleed
I THOUGHT that interaction was fixed?

Regardless, grenades have a slow ramp-up and require pretty good aim to maximize their impact. They're not on-demand "you die now", and can't actually hit an entire fucking room and everything behind it. The on-target damage is higher, the actual damage output across an entire horde is not.

Not that I'm dismissing your post btw. You make good points, especially regarding ogryn. I should try running vet next time I have an ogryn, or maybe put more time into havoc 40 vet in general.

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>>507462328
I recognize your posting patterns. So your obsession with the brown eCeleb is entirely because he called you low skill for using shield tonk like an enormous shitter?

>>507464892
I have no idea what you’re talking about. Defend your boyfriend with someone else.

>>507464850
nop uncanny still gives 100% rending while it's up, period
> They're not on-demand "you die now", and can't actually hit an entire fucking room and everything behind it.
they definitely do with the radius increase. I'm not sure what you mean with aim, you literally don't need to aim them you just roll them infront of you and they waveclear everything and then you immediately get them back because of demo team.

>>507465035
>uncanny still gives 100% rending while it's up, period
retarded game
>you literally don't need to aim them you just roll them infront of you and they waveclear everything
I guess if you funnel them into a choke. I've been in too many situations where that wasn't super practical, whether for a lack of team coordination, or because it would've slowed down the mission too much. Flamer and purgatus just fart on everything no matter what, killing most things dead before the vet has had the time to throw a second grenade.
Maybe a better, more coordinated team can get more leverage out of grenades. I just play with randos.

Try this to make your game way smoother, something about frames generating more evenly idk. I feel like my frames doubled but my FPS counter still says the same

>Under the file win32_settings.ini (Found under | C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Warhammer 40,000 DARKTIDE\bundle\application_settings) change the following value called ‘fullscreen’ from false to true:

>renderer = {
> adapter_index = 0
> aspect_ratio = -1
> d3d_debug = false
> d3d_gpu_validation = false
> dlss_logging = 0
> dred_pagefault = true
> fullscreen = true
> fullscreen_output = 0
> gpu_crash_dumps = false
> ray_tracing = true
> screen_resolution = [ 1920 1080]
>}

>>507458921
it should be called darktide general

>>507464892
LMAO you got the wrong guy

>>507465430
Do NOT DO THIS . Gay porn will play perpetually on your computer until your CPU combusts.

>>507465430
not installing your bitcoin dolphin porn

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>>507465369
>I guess if you funnel them into a choke.
You'd be surprised, their range is pretty substantial with the +25%
pic related, I threw the grenade directly in the middle of these two. That's usually gonna affect literally everything in the current wave, makes you immune to getting meatwalled.
It's a bit bigger than this even but I couldn't find a better spot to show off the full range. The smoke cloud is where the nade exploded

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>>507466025
like shit dude it's even surprising myself and I've been using this for ages on h40. It's reaching shit you wouldnt think it reaches

Is there anything more disheartening than coming across another player who looks exactly like you with the same cosmetics

>>507466707
in all my 1500 hours this happened to me once and I literally just use free commissary cosmetics, and he still had a different haircut and face than me so it was kinda cool actually

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>can't get the extra grenade
what do, shreddersissies

>>507467265
Ewww field commander

We should get a rust/Conan Exiles clone that's orks and you raid each other's shit and steal their teef

>>507467526
You mean improv? Giving more immolation grenades is worth more than holding +1 frag.

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>>507467265
I don't think you can get all the nade stuff if you really want to run the lasgun stuff alongside. For what it's worth the +1nade is skippable, grab 25 toughness instead
here's what I run with plasma and ds. If you really really want +1 nade you could drop the elite/ogryn talents for it

>>507467792
by the way, this build has 200 toughness on havoc 40 which is why I went for that specific layout. If you don't give a shit about that (I just thought it was fun to not get raped by shooters for a change) you can get improv and all that shit, probably even the focus target keystone

>>507467792
Problem with lasgun are the +5% crit node and Onslaught tax. Really need both to absolutely rape monstrosities, and the brittleness helps massively with burn DoT. I'd even take Bring it Down! if I could somehow justify dropping tinkerer, but that seems retarded.

>>507467960
I think i'd give up on +1 nade. If you play conservatively you'll be dropping 1 or 2 nades at a time and let one regen/proc from demo team inbetween and you won't waste that much. Action on Havoc is so non stop that you rarely go back up to 4 anyway outside of really lucky demo team procs

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>>507467960
>>507468137
Actually I guess reciprocity is better than the +5% crit node, so I should abandon my dreams of holding +1 grenade.

>>507467594
This but something else

>>507464342
are you retarded? meta literally means "most efficient/effective tactic available". the crab keeps evolving into a crab because its the most efficient form available, its the same way why crocoldile had the same body plan for the past 200 million years and every deviation died, or how everything that lives in open ocean looks like a torpedo, its literally the meta to swimming fast. frequency is the result of the meta, not the cause.
anti-meta counters are only good against that specific meta, which precludes them from the meta because theyll generally not preform well enough against other things that might be floating around like the tier 2s, or its convoluted as sin,you see this shit in card games all the time; yugioh at one point had flower cardians being the strongest deck you could play, unfortunately its equally as difficult to play, so nobody played it, and the whole concept of rogue decks

I love watching retards play aurics on twitch
>streamer playing ogryn, gets netted
>two people fighting around him, not unnetting him
>he dies in a fire eventually
>immediately the two tards turn around and res him in the middle of the fire, one of them goes down in the process
>streamer doesn't even get mad or anything because he doesn't understand how much easier this could've been
>they wipe soon after

crazy. Also the guy playing Ogryn is literally just holding m1 down when he ults, even when there's no enemies around anymore he just looks around the empty map for the next enemy to shoot while holding down m1 wasting massive amounts of ammo. Now I understand how ammo on aurics is always so tight

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>>507467932
>tickles your feet for 2 milliseconds

>>507468227
>wanting gay stuff
Gross, homo

>>507468568
it is what it is.
Havoc really changes its face entirely when shooters can't break your toughness anymore though. It's crazy how overtuned vet is to be able to do that on Havoc

Is darktide worth getting? I can't remember if I just had an urge or had a dream where I played it and it was fun, but I've been thinking of getting it

>>507468756
No

>>507468756
I think it's very fun especially for the asking price. You'll be annoyed by some stuff if you put a lot of hours in it but the game is far more fleshed out now than on launch and it's a lot of fun for a couple hundred hours minimum

>>507468756
The current state of the game (technically a major patch ago with locked and loaded) is how it should've been at release. Most of the new player hostile mechanics are either gone, or nowhere near as bad anymore. The shopclick meme is almost dead (curios are still a cunt), now it's just slopclick because the monetization scheme revolves around recycled Chinese slop cosmetics they want you to pig out for.
Game's fun. Get the premium edition or whatever if it's on a big discount, you get a decent amount of pigslop bux with which to buy a fun cosmetic you might like, for only like +$5, if you care about that kinda stuff.

>>507468524
>Now I understand how ammo on aurics is always so tight
It's also a complete lack of general coordination, nobody paying attention to ammo use, people spreading out and ninjalooting all the ammo, retards using grossly ammo inefficient guns or generally just using their ammo badly, and hoovering everything up, etc.

>>507468756
Yes, it’s good. I’ve had it for 3 weeks now and I’m having a blast. Has some annoying stuff about it but easily the most well crafted horde shooter in recent years gameplay wise. I have to wonder how many times this has been asked in the past few threads.

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>>507468756
is pretty good, but like all coop games is better with frens

>>507468756
"No."

>>507469710
>[darktide] is better with frens
Hard sell. I think havoc 40 with competent randos is almost always going to be more fun than corpse dragging your friends through malice because they can't survive in melee for longer than 3 seconds. It's really fun once you reach a baseline level of competency, but Darktide isn't the kind of game you can just hop into and expect to even be remotely useful, especially with how the skill tree and gear are progression gated.

Playing lower difficulties is a snoozefest, and carrying noobs through sedition is unfun for everyone.

>>507470078
>being friends with shitters
sounds like a personal problem buddy

>>507470193
Don't you mean it's a personnel problem?

>>507470193
Yeah sure I'll cherry pick whom I'm friends with based on who plays a franchise that fails to even meet 20k concurrent players at the best of times, as of recently.

>>507470432
So if it was above 20k players you'd do it?

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how was your holiday day coopg
?

>>507470432
just be friends with people that are good at videogames in general, is not that fucking hard anon.
Also the other anon that was asking the question hasn't even started the game yet and is debating getting it so he too is a noob, what does it matter if he invites his other noob friends to play with him? he's not gonna be doing havoc 40 any time soon, just say you're an elitist loser and leave it at that.

>>507471054
>just say you're an elitist loser and leave it at that.
I am an elitist loser.

>>507470892
I did not play darktide so it's been fantastic

>>507470892
4hrs at the hospital
Now ordering Chinese for family and hoping to pass out

>>507470432
You mean game, not franchise

>>507470348
That too.
>>507471149
Lol

>>507470892
It’s Christmas Eve, not Christmas, and the day isn’t over yet.
>>507472116
Why were you at the hospital

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>>507471149

>returned to the game after very long break
>back into things
>figure I'll grab the auric storm survivor title
>4/5
>queue into mostly melee extra specs figuring it shouldn't be too much of issue
>ignored initial warning sign of two vets like a dumbshit
>they both die the moment things get remotely spicy
>I'm about to finish kiting and kill a chaos spawn and a billion crushers/maulers/ragers but have had to go through a narrow walkway
>the last dumbshit decides they'll run all the way around the perimeter and then in the opposite side of said walkway with a huge blob behind them too
>now sandwiched between two walls and we both get royally fucked
I had a feeling this was going to happen, still annoying

>>507468756
heck yeah. It's fun.

Sex with Enginseer Kayex

>>507478592
no it isn't

>>507470078
>havoc 40 with competent randos is almost always going to be more fun than corpse dragging your friends through malice
holy fucking truth.
My friends are generally good at video games, except for tide games. Malice is too easy, heresy is too hard, and they don't have the patience to learn how to fight. Literally filtered.

>>507477319
it's Christmas where I live. Different countries have different traditions. Merry Christmas!

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i lost my first tech priest today in mechanicus

fucking deathmark nigger pieces of shit

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>>507478592
sex with hadron

>>507480513
highly unrealistic image, rannick is clearly a faggot

>>507480250
Wrong thread m8 but yeah i get it
That's why you bring the shield generator and the arm piece that gives 20% chance to dodge

>>507481379
This is the 40k general, we talk about 40k here.

>>507481434
Heh.

>>507481616
Heh.

>>507480250
What is that thing
>>507480845
Rannick is straight you’re the faggot

>>507482628
It's a Goliath from borderlands 2, they have fun dialogue

>>507482628
>What is that thing
A Goliath from Borderlands 2.

>got true survivor
expecting fatshark to give it out for free now

>that weird shitter space where not good enough for auric damnation but if you go down or die in a regular damnation game the whole team falls apart

>>507483538
I dont believe anyones not good enough for auric damnation. perhaps you are just lazy and dont dodge/strike as much as you should

Very nice for Fatshark to add enemy kill Penances and not count them retroactively. Especially the fun of killing 1500 Bulwarks and Crushers.

>>507484385
I'm at 400 already. I don't mind.

>>507484385
Why would they? It's another thing to keep people playing.

>>507485051
must. complete. penance. achievements. earn. more. currency. numbers. must. go. up. i. play.

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To the guys in the last thread helping me with zealot build and items and such, ty vm.
I completed my first 40 (with zealot) and got true survivor on top of it.

I'm definitely surviving way better than playing psyker who I mained since beta. I did 40 on psyker too, but its not ez.

zealot is my second favorite class to play though so this is nice. Now I'll probably just do my weekly 40 on zealot every time

>>507486052
Also what may be my issue on pysker is I dont really want to use dueling sword on them. I like using deflector and such on force sword, even if its super niche.
I compromised and used it for zealot but I'd rather be using a thunder hammer or dagger as my main wep.

>>507486420
I run deflect on force greatsword. Feels good.

>getting Level 40 in Havoc with the most OP classes

did you really beat Havoc?

>>507487241
It's kinda funny how havoc is only challenging if you've got a full stack of autists and limit yourself to not use the OP meta shit. When I pug, the randoms just all spam their gold piss and their bubbles and the matches are easy.
balance in this game is incredibly fucked

>>507487487
i can't remember the last time i played a balanced video game.

>>507488012
Unironically social media is to blame. When devs do anything then retarded faggots will have a crusade on social media about how the changes are bad, unless the change was absurd buffs

>>507487241
I did, but with the relic sword so i demand a pass

Merry Christmas, faggots

>>507491113
Happy Holidays.

>>507491113
thanks homo

>still no bolter for my vet
>but got a perfect plasma gun and chainsword
>perfect relic blade on my zealot
>and a perfect void staff (the bowling ball sniper)
Merry christmas one and all, now to learn to use this relic blade. Came as the mark x so I'll need to level my mastery to try the other mark out.

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>>507416904
I didn't see the vid but I assume zealots prob have dueling sword/knife and bolter, so they don't have their damage pumped up from killing chaff like the flame staff and bleed shield does
>hence the zealot with only 475 kills, LESS than a THIRD of the psyker's kills
>but has nearly half his damage with 31% weakspot strikes
No shit your total damage and kills is gonna be higher cuz you infinite cleave chaff and weak elites with bleed procs lmao... I really don't understand how this retard can't comprehend something like that, and then has the balls to make a video and gloat about it. Holy fucking shit what a lolcow

>>507491484
Fuck you

>>507491787
That's not a very holiday cheer attitude.

>>507491787
Now that would be a Christmas miracle.

>>507491641
atleast he's trying. the other playtesters openly gloat about not playing ogryn because he's "bad and boring"
you're the fucking playtesters lmao help fix the issue you dumb fucking faggots

>>507492064
hah!

>>507492064
what are you...retarded?

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>>507491484
>>507492002
Oh, which holiday?

>>507491641
stop making sense, you're ruining his narrative

>>507486915
nice. havent tried much greatswording yet

>>507492164
I swear they just don't play often enough to get used to the movement. Slide dodging, staying to one side of the hallway (usually left) so you don't block is everyone, and weaving when in melee are all crucial for anything beyond malice and takes some getting used to the timing.

>trying to do Knife Stealth Zealot
>go stealth and heavy attack an enemy from behind
>they don't die 9 out of 10 times

What's going on here? Bad build? Wrong shit on my knife? It's getting really old backstabbing a Gunner and they don't die.

>>507492623
Yeah it's honestly just that they don't even try because he doesn't fit their preconceived notions of "high skill gameplay" which is speed basically. I am 99% sure this is why they don't even give him a chance, the faggots.

>>507492736
You ain't hitted the back

>>507492992
>stare at the giant power pack
>heavy attack
>doesn't die
Are you certain of that?

>>507492315
All of them except for that one.

>>507492736
posting a webm helps

>>507492736
what's your knife look like
did you actually back stab them
post a clip of you not killing a gunner

>>507493183
I'd prefer not to. I'd rather just know what the build is and what to put on the knife/which one to use (I assume the one with heavy overhands).

>>507486915
its quite good actually.
>>507487487
When I pug they spam piss and die anyway.

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>>507491641
>I didn't see the vid but I assume zealots prob have dueling sword/knife and bolter
he never showed the run in the video but i'd also guess that'd be their get up, other dude had around 16% crit rate so it would be safe to assume that's a knife user
>i doubt people take shred on dueling swords in havoc 40
i bet my ass if we saw the specials/elites killed however he'd be the bottom of the 4 players kek
>also
the zealots could've just been shit and played badly since he showed picrel, and this is something much closer to what you'd expect from a non retarded zealot player (he's the zealot this time and has notably better stats than shitgryn, shocker!)

>>507493310
gonna need to see weapon and build at least

>>507493646
...isn't it just because he's using a fotf centered setup over chorus?

>>507493061
Remember that the stabs don't count actual backstabs, but your position in relation to the enemy when you hit the backstab

>>507494006
no

>>507494334
That's what you get for cheating, chud

>>507494406
>>507494334
Oh wrong general lol

>>507480845
Rannick is an Interrogator, not an Inquisitor.

>>507494006
Isn't that the argument he's making?

>>507494006
Not with that big of a difference. I can think of at least 3 things at play:
>game he posted of his own score has a vet; game with 2 zealots+Ogryn doesnt. This means that the flamer (which I've absolutely no doubt he was using to hit 1.4mil) actually had ammo in his game with a Vet since, not only does he get ammo from Surv, the Ogryn and potentially the Vet didn't need to take any ammo pickups. Whereas in the 2z1o game, everyone needed to compete for pickups.
>more damage oriented FOTF build vs Chorus and no Chorus downtime
>skill differences (there's no way that, at the very least, the <500k Zealot wasn't on the struggle bus in some way)
It's definitely not just because of FOTF instead of Chorus. The gap really isn't that big if other factors stay roughly the same. A Flamer Chorus build with no other source of fire on the team is going to shit out similar levels of damage when properly supplied.

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>>507492164
Fuck the playtesters, all playtesters are my op
>>507492386
Sorry Hank :(
>>507493646
>the zealots could've just been shit and played badly
Yee that's plausible too. I have knife zealots that only/mainly deal with the tougher elites and do their role well with middling damage, but then have great total kills for elites/specials by the end sometimes passing a vet, so it's not beyond belief

>>507494006
compared to his ogryn run, or compared to the other zealots in the different match?

Just make ogryn even harder to kill. If he's going to be the bumbling retard class then just give him so much tankiness that he can start playing like a VT2 Ironbreaker and just plunge into everything which circles back to being high octane fun

>>507495228
He can do that, just not in havocs

>>507495324
Yeah which why he's not fun in Havocs, you're forcing the class that is explicitly shit at being nimble to be nimble

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My mom made me cookies because I'm the best ogryn in the world.

>>507495386
I don't think anyone is being nimble in havocs

>>507495470
Biggest gets biggest pile of cookies

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>>507494006
The damage gap wouldn't be that high solely from a garunteed crit vs the 7ish seconds of down time chorus causes. Only the other guys sucking bigly, he did some flamer farming, or he pulled a huge/long clutch would cause such a disparity in stats. Relic blade (chaff farm) or dueling sword (elite farm) just doens't have the power to pull those kinda numbers in a normal run without some major variable

>>507491484
>>507492002
homo posts

>>507495470
Jesus. Don’t eat too many, fatass.

>>507496197
Jelly bitch

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>>507496035
straighter than you, yahweh simp

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>>507495470
Damn the powdered sugar ones look good.
>>507496414
The only people that use the word "holidays" are Jewish soccer moms because Christmas isn't inclusive of Hebrew candelabras. You may want to reevaluate your position.

>>507496850
I use it because it upsets those chris loving guys

>>507495547
Talking about non crutched runs. In a crutched run anything is whatever you're invincible just mulching your way through anyway

>>507496850
They're full of crumbled pecans, delicious.

>>507496414
>>507497047
Funny. I say Merry Christmas because it upsets the opposite crowd. I don’t care about any of its religious connotations.

Happy belated Festivus

Anybody wanna run 40 havocs?

>Ogryn playtester on Reddit confirms that Veteran is getting a second overhaul and that Psyker is getting one as well, but that's okay because "Ogryn will get one too, eventually!"

lmao. I have never seen a dev show more disdain for their playerbase than Fatshark, and it doesn't help that the weapons (according to him) we have were supposed to be even shittier but he fought to get them to make minor changes so they could at least function, and that other testers (who don't play Ogryn) are the ones most actively telling Fatshark to nerf the Ogryn, however some Ogryn playtesters are also telling them that as well.

So, should all Ogryn mains just stop playing the game at this point? Fatshark is stuck in this feedback loop of deprioritize the Ogryn and only take time to nerf it. The delay in Veteran weapons and this dudes comment literally confirms the rebuild is the reason why Vet didn't get anything this time around.

Jesus Fuck.

>>507498087
>Psyker is getting one as well
why? Psyker is great. Best build variety in the game. They're just gonna ruin it.

>>507498087
I haven't played since they changed the ogryn skill tree around a couple weeks(?) ago. Did it make ogryn stronger or weaker?

>>507416904
>stupid ogryn name
>intentionally disingenuous nonsense to stroke his own dick about how fucking smart and good he is at the game
>chorus zealots probably spent half the game pumping toughness because this stupid nigger needs it just to exist
Are these his cucks that he's playing with or something? This is not normal performance for zealots even with chorus. This kinda shit is why scoreboards can lead to total nigger tier nonsense.

>>507498216
Weaker. It was a minor debuff, but that's how Ogryn has been dying. Death by a thousand cuts and general neglect by ignoring the class.

>>507498369
>kinda shit is why scoreboards can lead to total nigger tier nonsense.
Yup. Preach.

>>507498087
link?

>>507498087
>the only time they touched zealot was to nerf him
>accidentally made him stronger
>can't revert the buff now or people will get too upset
>actual zealot rework never ever

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>>507498659
I'll just screenshot it.

>>507498087
What the fuck is there to rework with psyker? It's the most varied class in the game right now. 9 outta 10 veterans run the same basic so that one makes sense at least.

>>507498087
Improve or redo BLO.
Un-nerf FNP.
Make skill tree more interconnected.
Buff nearly all melee weapons that aren't pickaxes and shield.
Increase Ripper gun damage vs maniac.

>>507498203
>>507498968
Guarantee psykinetic aura is getting moved to a lower tier, and I wouldn't be surprised if they move the three quell perks in the top tier farther apart from each and/or to other tiers. Everyone runs the damage blessings and none of the peril blessings on weapons, this would "force healthy weapon diversity" and is exactly the kind of shit non-fix they love.

>>507498836
Honestly, the nerfs sound more like Fatshark is unable to understand the information being presented to them, and shit like random nerfs is their half-cocked reaction to it. That's not something I'd (completely) attribute to testers anyway. If someone is telling you "hey this playstyle being the only thing available is lame" and your "solution" is to just make that weaker, you're an idiot who's missed the point. Maybe there was miscommunication somewhere in the line.

>>507499142
It goes way beyond that. Most blessings on most weapons that the Ogryn has are utterly pointless because they don't do anything that the Ogryn can synergize with via the skill tree or the weapon's own innate stats. See: Increase Crit Chance Blessings across the board.

They need to literally rebuild the class from square one. How his stats are allocated, how his weapons work, the blessings on them, the skill trees. All of it. And they obviously don't want to do that because it would be an insane amount of work for their lazy asses.

>>507469710
Fuck now I have to go back and watch this with my speakers cranked to max while I’m very drunk. Why would you do this to me

>>507498836
He should've let ogryn get nerfed harder for more public outcry so they overcompensate with big buffs in response.

>>507499310
There is an earlier post from someone else who plays with one of the Ogryn playtesters and that guy supports the nerfs. So it isn't a case of Fatshark not understanding. It's them being told from all sides that the Ogryn needs nerfs.

>>507499508
Ok we get it, you want to fit in.

>>507499575
Jesus fuck. That makes me wonder though: how do you look at player metrics, see that hardly anyone fucking plays Ogryn, and decide that "yes, these testers are correct. The class needs to be made worse". Even if it WAS overperforming, nobody is playing it; that doesn't even matter right now. All you're gonna do is drive more people away from the class. Fucking hell.

>>507496850
i say happy holidays since it's shorter than saying both merry Christmas and happy new years 3bh

>>507498216
>Did it make ogryn stronger or weaker?
Neither, it's the same. It evens out. As someone who play the affected build, I get more Aura radius, which leads to more consistent CDR from elite kills in the team. I also gained faster reload. I lost a little movement speed and crit chance. As a gunlugger, i don't think it's a nerf.

>>507499693
I literally think it is because it's the least played class. If Ogryn player count dips by 20% Fatshark won't notice. If Veteran player count does? Holy shit, they got problems. So the Veteran is prioritized above all in terms of updates. Psyker is getting a rework and also receives a lot of attention because it's playtester's favorite class due the skill ceiling potential. So they are catering to the masses (Vets) and catering to the ultra sweats (Psykers).

>>507500083
Prioritizing other classes given player distribution makes sense, but actively shitting on the least played class doesn't.

>>507499693
I know for a fact Fatshark looks at user data. No idea how they interpret it.

>>507500083
that's also why PS6 will never be nerfed or changed because its disgusting but the last time they touched it the vetbabbies seethed and malded.

>>507500171
It does if the amount of time to correctly fix the problem you made is going to disproportionately affect the people who are more numerous, and the people you actively listen to. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. They probably figure that an Ogryn rework isn't worth the effort because it'll MAYBE increase the total number of active Ogryn players by small amounts, and you'll hear bitching from the very people you listen to for having the gall to do the exact opposite of what you told them to do.

>>507500339
lol no they fucking don’t
I haven’t seen a single Ogryn since 3 days after havoc release and they’re already planning on shitting on the class even harder

>>507498836
How hard is it for him to say that the problem isn't brainless heavy spam is too strong, but it's THE ONLY FUCKING OPTION HE HAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE 99% OF HIS POWER BUDGET IS.
EVERY SINGLE OTHER ATTACK IS WORTHLESS, DOES AT MOST 85 DAMAGE, AND LOW STAGGER/CLEAVE
FUCKING BRAINLESS NIGGER.
FUCK

>>507500410
>It does if the amount of time to correctly fix the problem you made is going to disproportionately affect the people who are more numerous
You can literally just do nothing

>>507500550
You could but you are being told by the people who playtest your game that the class needs nerfs. Even by those same people who play the class, so what do you do? You nerf the class.

>>507500410
You're not fully incorrect but then you look at how massively popular the ogryn is among the community and then you realize how hard you're keeping your own player numbers back by refusing to make him interesting. This isn't an MMO where people would have to reroll.
Like, if you're a fart sniffing swede your explanation makes perfect sense. If you're a normal human who can actually interpret reality normally and not just stare at statistics like a lobotomite, you are wrong and Ogryn reworks would help the player count out hard.

>>507500505
He is kind of saying that in a very diplomatic way by saying he's trying to push back against that. Now, the issue is that he might think the solution is to make the Ogryn have very bad weapon combos that require a lot of work no one else has to do in order to try and emulate the brainless heavy spam. I would like to think he isn't saying that, but he might be.

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>>507500794
>how massively popular the ogryn is

>>507499780
It's cool bud I was just being intentionally contentious to make a point.

Why is this place so active? You guys *do* have friends and family to hang out with on Christmas Eve, right…?

>>507500672
>You could but you are being told by the people who playtest your game that the class needs nerfs.
Yes, and anyone with a brain should understand that not all feedback is going to be correct. You still need to confirm this feedback for yourself. And even then, it's not a good time to make that change. If nobody likes your class, making it feel worse to play isn't going to solve anything. It's only going to add to your problems, even if that's just temporary dissatisfaction with your decision.
>so what do you do? You nerf the class.
Only if you're a monkey or the person giving you orders is a monkey. They are still nerfing a class that virtually nobody likes to play. What is the benefit in doing so? Nothing. Genuinely nothing. Because nobody fucking plays Ogryn anyway. There seems to have been nearly zero critical thinking involved in this decision. If your choices are to stand there and do nothing or put a gun to your foot and pull the trigger, I expect you to keep your bugger-digging appendages off the fucking trigger.

>>507500979
I came here to show off my cookies

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>>507500875
He is talking about in the community, not in the game. Two different things. Ogryn is almost the poster child for this game due to the RASHUNS and other retardisms. Plus, basically every clickbait video I've ever seen about Darktide made by someone who doesn't play Darktide regularly and only did so in order to make some dumbass reaction le epoc maymay video does it with four Ogryns.

>>507500469
They literally do. They gave Ogryn a new talent called NoPushover a few months ago because their data showed nobody picked the old talent.

I like playing ogryn as is and the only things i'd like for ogryn is more weapons that is all.

>>507501076
>Only if you're a monkey or the person giving you orders is a monkey.
fatshark's leadership is well known for their excellent decision making apparatus. Couldn't possibly be them.

>>507501076
I agree with you, but this is Fatshark. Not logical game devs, but rather a bunch of retarded Swedes who don't like to work and don't like to work on Darktide because they like VT more.

>>507500979
Already done. We had amazing food and talked about how bad Israel is. Now I'm off to bed.

>>507500979
I’m actually helping prep Christmas food for tomorrow so I’m posting on my phone right now :)

>>507500979
I was with my mom most of the day. Now I read a book and sleep.

>>507501203
A few of his weapons suck like the power maul, I'd rather they buff them.

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I like how havoc being a no-ogryn zone and the ogryn skill tree fuck up is revealing that an alarming number of /copeg/ residents are ogryn mains.

>>507414852
>this would be a possibility with actual competent devs
Goddammit…

>>507501842
What? You know you can have multiple characters, right?

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>>507414852
I want my Skitarii class

>>507501842
I didn't realize playing ogryn made it my main.

>>507502006
"Skitarii" is the plural.
The proper term is "skibbiditarii"

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>>507502510
Can we get a third denial to round out the season?

>>507502006
They're lobotomized corpses puppeteered by a techpriest

tl;dr you wanna play as Hadron

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>>507502554
I want to punch and fuck you at the same time for this

>>507503018
Keep it in your pants, creepy ass faggot

>>507502938
You're thinking of Servitors, some Skitarii maintain their consciousness

>>507503095
Not that anon but
*takes it out of his pants for him*

>>507503132
Yeah and you'd still give 3.6 roentgens of radiation to your team by just existing, I dunno man.