retopoly has been solved. you can now make faces with perfecetly even quads.
>Oursokay who's?
>>1034624I'm surprised it took this long to use a math formula to solve topology.They're just triangles/quads and there's only a finite amount of space they can occupy on a surface. You can then use math to find the most efficient ways to reduce the polycount after that.But yeah, 3D artists are now fucked.
>>1034634i doubt that. having even quads isn't always ideal, especially if you want extreme deformation like with stylized facial expressions. you want more density in certain areas, and sometimes you need non-quads to help facilitate that. it's useful for static props for sure, but until it can weight in on more uneven distribution of quads there's still a big obstacle to cover.
>>1034636Not sure what you're talking about. Of course quads are ideal.Look at this official Pixar mesh and how many ngons do you see? Not much...
>>1034638idk i'd say that's because it's on a very smooth featured figure. it fits for that design, but what happens when you're working with something rough or gritty? try that on anything more angular or complex and it falls short. pixar and quad topology is a good template for that style but it's not universal once you move into the territory of more unsettling rough designs. think sharp demonic creatures, monsters in various media or robotic stuff that still has a semi organic look to it but still needs to deform. at some point you'll hit a limit with quads because you'll stretch one area further than another, and the lighting will look awkward as a result. to get good deformation and good lighting i think you end up needing to mess with the topology a bit more than just having quads.
>>1034624yeah this has been solved foreverbut it's also a personal skilllike anatomy "has been solved" already but like how people do it in art varies>>1034628this post made me laughgood image
>>1034634>But yeah, 3D artists are now fucked.this helps them exclusively
>>1034645When everyone can do proper topology it means the value of professional 3D artists now drops to 0.The CEO who writes a prompt and now gets perfect looking models and animation for his business has everything he needs. He can stop paying the artists full-time salaries and lay them off.
>>1034648>proompting claude is what ceos do saar!
>>1034654So you're saying CEOs pay other people to prompt for them?Such jobs would immediately be on the chopping block which proves my point.>"Hey Timothy, what's your role at the company?">Timothy: I launch Claude and give it things to do.>"Do you need a Bachelor's degree for it?">Timmy: No.>"You're fired."
>we made a binary blob that regurgitates the data it was trained on with 70% accuracy!the absolute state of modern academia
>>1034668>we made a binary blob that regurgitates the data it was trained on with 70% accuracy!That's a funny way to describe humans.
>>1034664CEOs generally do pay other people to work for thema bad CEO might hire a claudeboy but a better one employs professionals with skills instead>>1034648>perfect lookingthat's what the artist does...a "CEO" can't make a "perfect looking" model >after they fuck up the first time they have to type "fix the model"fix it againokay fix it againfix it againfix it one more timefix the textures fix the shadingfix the hands>20 iterations of prompting later now it "looks perfect" and it's a trash modelokay now animate it>it's animated, looks off. topology is "mathematically perfect" and it doesn't deform well because the CEO didn't know what blendshapes nor weight painting nor deformation areanimate it again>jiggle bones won't jiggle bone right>laws of physics are ignored>it does that AI animated windup you always seeclueless idiot thinks it has to be perfect now>publishes it as boring sloppeople don't like it because it's not good>lacked an artists touch and felt off (uncanny valley effect)gets clocked as AI generated quickly because it basically has the 3d equivalent of em-dashes>total shit just like AI music and AI pictures>nobody buys CEO's product and they leave mean comments on itmeanwhile in 3d artist land>yippee I have a new plugin for retopo>quick retopo my already perfect high poly model>manual cleanup>mess with the joints and groups so they deform how i want>it's perfect
>>1034671wow so you're saying it's practically agi??, i'm sold, here's your 100k grant and phd from our pytorch bootcamp
>>1034673>CEOs generally do pay other people to work for themOnly when there's no other choice or option. Before 2022, making even a simple animated video required you to learn different editing and compositing software such as Adobe Premiere, Nuke, After Effects, Flame etc. After 2022, all of that got automated by Chatgpt, Claude, Seedance etc that can create the entire video for you using prompts. Again, why else would Senior Artists be laid off in roles that AI can now do? It's because they're redundant....>a "CEO" can't make a "perfect looking" modelThe Will Smith spaghetti videos debunk this.Early AI videos were janky but modern ones do look on par with Hollywood features. To most people, the right side version is good enough for them. Again, hence more layoffs....>fix it again okay fix it againAnd yet it's still cheaper to spend $100 one time and get a useable AI generated video, instead of paying $100,000 on different artists and waiting for results that could take weeks or months. >people don't like it because it's not goodCoca Cola has used AI for all their new Christmas commercials and their stock has gone up year after year. Thus debunking the haters.>gets clocked as AI generated quickly because it basically has the 3d equivalent of em-dashesAgain, see above. Coke uses AI. Mcdonalds uses AI. Walmart uses AI.It's far too mainstream to be ignored anymore.>meanwhile in 3d artist landYou can play with the new plugin all you want. Just understand that's it now a hobby instead of a full-time salary job that people use to pay money for.
>>1034676>3dCG board>2d slopped videoyou know this isn't 3d animation right?spaghetti commercials already used real camera footage instead of 3dCGIAI will smith can't "take my job">only when there's no other choice or optiongenerally CEOs pay people to work for themthat's what a CEO doesif you can name a CEO without an employee, idunnowhattotellyaI don't know why you think the invention of a new shitty camera is gonna stop the sale of crayonscompletely different ways to make a picture, bud
>>1034648>>1034664>>1034671>>1034676GOOD MORNING SAAAAAAAR
>>1034679>generally CEOs pay people to work for them that's what a CEO doesA CEO's job is to make high level decisions, create strategies and guide a company towards profitability.Emphasis on the last part. "Profitability." Cutting or removing a job is actually the easiest way for a CEO to claim success. Because one less payroll means more money that flows back inside the company.>you know this isn't 3d animation right?Unless you're being purposely obtuse, CGI animation has tried to replicate human actors and make photorealistic copies of them.Ironically, the perfect example of this already exists. Will Smith in Gemini Man had a 3D model of himself made. Back then it required several artists to do this.But the AI animated video of Will Smith I posted? That's proof that 3D artists are obsolete and out of a job. >I don't know why you think the invention of a new shitty camera is gonna stop the sale of crayons completely different ways to make a picture, budSo why are fucking artists the first ones to protest and cry about AI if it was "completely different" you dumb shit?Even if you hate my example of the AI video, you do know that the technology can now use Blender and use 3D models to help guide the final ai renders right?
>>1034681AI is leading to a lot of layoffs in India.In fact, thanks to AI we don't need to outsource 3D art to third world shitholes anymore.You should be crying Ramjeet.
>>1034683>AI is leading to a lot of layoffs in India saar>In fact, thanks to AI we don't need to outsource 3D art to third world shitholes anymore (i live in a third world country btw)<REDDIT SPACE>You should be crying Ramjeet (i am brown btw)
>>1034685Nice melty.You have no commissions. :)
>Nice melty.>You have no commissions. :)
If you reply it means you're gay.
>>1034668need to scrape more diverse stuff for training data. though not sure where you would get faces made up of entirely quads even metahumans meshes have a few tris.
>>1034682>CEO with no employees makes millions off grok artI kneel>3d will smith got replaced by AI will smith and now they won't hire himI kneel>why are artists crying because it looks like shit and artists like stuff that looks goodartists hate it because it's shitI like 3D will smith more and 3D will smith made more revenueyour will smith workflow does not use 3d or blender at allit isn't 3DCGI or VFXand it loses it's place in the discussion by not being 3Dbecause... READ THE NAME OF THE BOARDyou're basically retarded if you use blender for AI videos because it's an application for 3D and an AI diffusion model video isn't 3D CGI.if hollywood wants will smith, do you know what they do?a "CEO" hires will smith, dumbass.if you want some evidence of this you can look at your own post where they have will smith playing himself. AI didn't take his job it just copied his face, which is something you can do with a camera already.so how does AI kill 3D?getting used in some ugly movies?3D did that first in like the 90syou type like AI and you're retarded.>>1034624this is a method for use in 3D graphics BTWreminder
>>1034691>CEO with no employees makes millions off grok artIronic that you brought up grok. When Elon Musk bought Twitter did he not slash 90% of the jobs?Everyone was screaming that Twitter was going to fail but it's still thriving.>3d will smith got replaced by AI will smith and now they won't hire himAgain, you're being obtuse.Will Smith THE ACTOR didn't make the 3D mesh of himself. Other artists did. Whether or not Studios want to hire or replace Will Smith's acting is a different problem.>because it looks like shit and artists like stuff that looks goodHilarious you can't see your own damn contradiction. AI wiped out the jobs that had 3D artists make models of real human actors.That decision comes from the CEO whose job is to STAY PROFITABLE. The CEO doesn't need 3D Artists anymore to make movies if he now has AI to do it for him. >if hollywood wants will smith, do you know what they do? a "CEO" hires will smith, dumbass.Will Smith is not a 3D Artist. He is an actor.Is that how salty you people are? You're now going for stolen valor and trying to claim another human as your own?The CEO can hire Will Smith for any acting jobs but HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HIRE ARTISTS.>so how does AI kill 3D?Cry, cope and seethe more faggot.It's even more true now that Claude's Fable can use Blender and model, rig and animate meshes from a single prompt.
>>1034692>he's a shit CEOgreat example>again ur being retarded>jobs jobs jobsmy claim was that it looks like shit >"The CEO" will not hire 3d artists"The CEO" will hire the same CG artists that made will smith for other CG projects like avatar, capeshit, games, and cartoons"The CEO" doesn't need actors either if he can have AI actorslisten to me. projects, that do not use 3D, are projects that already are not using 3D. That's why I'm using your example. and being obtuse.>Claude's Fablelooks like AI. ur coping with being retarded.A chimp can use blender.people will see Fable 10.5 in theaters and say "wow those effects were shit"and ratings will drop. people will use it. and the more they use it the more shit their movie will look. it's like old CGI, robocop, shark boy and lava girl, speed racer. dvd remasters of star wars, where the CGI hurts a bit to look right at. that'll be fable.movies, listen now, use critical reception as their profitability metric. and already cost billions to make. your "The CEO" will save 10s of thousands of dollars on labor and will lose billions in revenue. Green Lantern.it's narrow impact will be like adobe aftereffects. no 3d jobs "lost". just some lens flares or fire or dust.maybe some better lip sync for dubbingbut 40% AI video movies will be as hated as 90s-00's worst CGand again, will lose money in the box officehence shit ideas. like your CEO slashing twitter jobs basically killed close to half of twitter and they flocked to new apps.>buh buh that's liberal twitterThe CEO lost customers and stock value for bad leadership decisions he is the most hated man on the planet because he's retarded like youso how does AI kill 3D?
>>1034695Don't you find it odd that every month there is a new major layoff being announced by every art studio or company?And that artists affected then go on social media begging for employment or help?All while the same companies also give announcements or news that they're using more ai in their day to day work?That's why you're so full of shit and coping too so hard. CEOs do not need artists and they are more than happy to fire them.When was the last time you saw a CEO crawling on their knees begging for artists to come back?Fucking never.
>>1034695>But but AI isn't coming to kill 3D!Meanwhile, CEOs of major companies continue to announce they want to hire more AI talent, not artists.
>>1034692Not get into your guys's autistic argument. But Elon recently stated that the cost of running grok is unsustainable.
>>1034696don't you find it odd that animated movies are getting worsedid you watch Wish or Strange World or Elemental (3D films)they're not so bad visually but executively they're a tire firethe companies are firing talent and making bad decisions and that's why the movies suck
>>1034699Grok is a not serious AI competitor. He's far behind both OpenAI and Anthropic.
>>1034700>they're not so bad visually but executively they're a tire fireThose are all millennial driven films. And yeah they suck. That said, I rather AI start writing films instead.
wtf is wrong with you schizos? Why are you arguing about currenthing in a thread about a topology toolAnyway here's the repohttps://github.com/microsoft/SQuadGenAlso OP is a massive faggot for not posting it in the first place.
>>1034713this doesn't seem that impressive. where would you use this exactly.
>>1034716It's the first instance of using transformer based neural networks (same as LLMs) for retopology.So it would get better if they throw a larger dataset and more gpus at it.The reason to get excited about it it's one of the few implementation of the tech that actually automates something most 3D artists want automated.
>>1034716a forgot..>where would you use this exactly.Any sculpted model... once it's good enough.
AI jeet, I lost track of the convo and I don' want to respond to a bystanderbut I work in a position that could technically be replaced by AI, given that all I do all day is manage claude code sessionsbut I'm still getting paidbecause 1. the people who pay me don't want to deal with this crap2. someone needs to take ownership of the work. and it's not going to be the fucking CEO. the usual management structures are still necessarynow, an upstart cutting into the field could probably create an entire company all by himself using agents. and it would be interesting to see how that pans out and how it scales once the thing really gets going. but that will be an insane amount of work. even just managing agents for a single class of tasks is already taxing. and the workload increases as productivity increases. I have a lot to say about the actual productivity of our current agentic workflow, but that's beside the point.
>>1034718there's nor eal dataset for quads which it requires. you can't do 100% quad topo. not possible.
>>1034728What are you on about?Just collect quad topo models, subdivide / remesh them and you have a dataset.You can do 100% quad topo if you want, it's not optimal in many cases but you can represent any euclidean geometry with quads and 3, 4 and 5 edge vertices. It's a matter of taste either way as long as we're not talking about low poly.Either way a transformer based retopo model could also learn how to use tris for cases that call for them.
>>1034723>2. someone needs to take ownership of the work. and it's not going to be the fucking CEO. the usual management structures are still necessary"First rule of leadership: Everything is your fault"A CEO is going to be blamed no matter what. That's why they have golden parachutes and high paying salaries to begin with.>even just managing agents for a single class of tasks is already taxing.That won't be an issue in the next 2 or 3 years. AI continues to make exponential progress where it can handle those "taxing" workloads on its own.
>>1034723saar the CEO will take your job once he learns AIand he'll literally use AI to learn it
CEOs are the only the people who even have money in this economy.The idea that artists can even dictate employment or demand they get hired is one big damn joke.If anything, they would rather pay you to fuck off then drag you along with their company.
