24M, software engineer in Vietnam.160cm, gym regularly, decent face/body, make ~27m VND/month net, invest most of it, pretty disciplined financially.Didn’t date seriously until later because I spent most of my early 20s trying to improve myself first.My last relationship messed with my perception of dating pretty hard. Felt like I was constantly being evaluated against taller/richer/more socially impressive men even though I was objectively putting more effort into stability, loyalty, communication, and future planning than most guys my age.What confuses me is that online discourse makes it sound like women care mainly about emotional maturity and reliability, but in practice height/status/social validation seem disproportionately important.I’m not even blackpilled exactly. I’ve had women interested before. But it feels like being a shorter man means you have to massively overperform in every other category just to be treated as "normal".Curious how other men, especially shorter guys or guys outside the Western dating ideal, experience this.
> What confuses me is that online discourse makes it sound like women care mainly about emotional maturity and reliabilityWomen lie constantly.> in practice height/status/social validation seem disproportionately important.Your observations match those of independent third parties.> t feels like being a shorter man means you have to massively overperform in every other category just to be treated as "normal".That is correct. In fact you have to be multiples better.Your best bet is to travel to areas where you are about average or better in height.
>>34553611Do you think this is something society underreports, or do you think online spaces overcorrect in the opposite direction?
>>34553595>most of my early 20sbrother you are 24 you haven't left your early 20sfucking insane to me that a 24 year old with a job and a loving family, literally not even peaked or reached biological development peaks is obsessed with his heighti am 34 year old, hair has began going grey, never held down a real time job in my life and socially I am below you even though I am 10 years older and even I never posted lamenting about being shortfucking short men have something wrong with them, its a complex right? you're asian dude, youre all fucking shortshut the fuck up this is such a pussy bitch thread, you have a full time job, shut the fuck up
Go use your money to buy that leg extending surgery if you're so fucking butthurt about it
>>34553639I think nobody particularly cares about men's problems. Any time a men's issues are brought up, they are immediately restated in the context of women's problems.For example men being short would be restated as not meeting women's minimum standards, and therefore you should do something about it.
>>34553693I get your point. I’m probably over-focusing on one aspect of myself because of some relationship experiences. But my life isn’t as put together emotionally as it might sound from the outside either.And for what it’s worth, I don’t look down on you at all for where you’re at. Life hits people differently.
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