I'm 18 and biologically female. When I was 12 or 13, I discovered the whole trans meme and decided that it was totally me. Now, 6 years later, I hate myself. I hate every single effeminate thing I do or participate in. I wish I was a man, but if I transition I'll be an ugly manlet who doesn't pass. How do I stop wanting to transition??? Do I just settle for being a tomboy? I feel like I'm going to be a disgustingly ugly woman, so I think I'm fawked.
Follow your given nature, you'll suffer from your own actions.Being a woman is incredible, don't lose your chance.
Yeahh unfortunately all science says it's basically impossible to get rid of unless you transition. Just settle for being an ugly manlet, half of the normal guys on here (myself included) are that anyways kek
>>34557385>Being a woman is incredibleIt feels like a curse that will drive me to suicide>Just settle for being an ugly manletDamn. I wish I were at least an autoandrophile or a gay ftm because then I'd get chasers. I'm only attracted to women tho so I'm fucked for lyfe
>>34557408Your curse is mental anon, MENTAL
>>34557412The fuck else would it be? Doesn't make it less real or make me want to die less
>>34557376>I'll be an ugly manletNo, you won't. You'll be an ugly womanlet pretending to be a manlet who doesn't pass. You will never and can never be a manlet. You were born female, you will live as a female, and you will die as a female. No amount of larping can ever change that.
>>34557430I literally said I won't pass. I'm aware of this. This does not answer my question of how to get rid of dysphoria tho
>>34557433You literally said you would be a manlet. You won't be.
You're young so give it time, but it sounds like you associate femininity with weakness or negative traits for whatever reason. Dysphoria is less "I want to be the other sex" and more "I don't like traits about myself that I can't identify" and evil people have taken advantage of this to sell drugs and surgeries.
>>34557376>How do I stop wanting to transition???Meditate every day on the fact that even if you were born the opposite sex, it wouldn't solve any of your issues. Happiness comes from within, not from your body or from how society views you. You'd be just as miserable as a man, because misery comes from a bad attitude, not a bad set of circumstances. It also helps to consider daily the fact that "gender" is an incoherent notion. You're a woman, which means that anything and everything you do is feminine by definition. Anyone who thinks that "feminine" and "masculine" behavior is a matter of stereotypes or social norms is simply building a prison for themselves.
>>34557376What's the most and what's the least feminine thing about you, if I may ask?
>>34557396No, it doesn't at all. If "science" says anything at all it's that transitioning leads to unhappiness, suicidal ideation and regret. Anyone can get rid of dysphoria, they simply have to exercise their ability to take back control over their own desires. Everyone has this ability by nature. It is literally not possible for there to exist a human being who can't control their own thoughts, and thus their own wishes.
>>34557376>How to get rid of "gender dysphoria"Let's make love together till the sun goes down and you'll never want to be a man ever again.
>>34557592She's already suicidal
>>34557453>You literally said you would be a manlet. You won't be.Translate the OP post into your language, just maybe you'll understand what she meant.
>>34557597>She's already suicidalSo what? I can fix her. She is just a tomboyish 18 year old still learning what it means to be a woman, I'll make her feel like a woman and she will never forget :^)
>>34557553I don't really associate with negative traits. I love women, I especially love feminine women. It just makes me feel like a faggot whenever I'm feminine. >"I don't like traits about myself that I can't identify"I identity that its me being female. I hate my vagina (the idea of PIV sex makes me want to kill myself), I hate my breats, I hate being referred to as female, I hate it all! >>34557575How do I begin to believe that? Every day I fantasize about being male, having a wife, having male friends, etc. I've believed that my life would be better as a man every single day. Even if I were miserable, at least I'd have a dick.>>34557580>Most feminineProbably my body. I have wide hips and average breasts. I also used to try to be hyper-feminine by wearing dresses and makeup, but it made ne feel worse. My interests might be a bit feminine. >Least feminineI like to think its everyrhing else, but I definitely overcompensate to avoid seeming like the average pooner who doesn't try to be masculine.>>34557592I would kill myself if a penis ever entered my vagina holy shit>>34557603Ugggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>34557610Sorry for typos. I'm phonefagging right now.
>>34557610>How do I begin to believe that?By analyzing your desires logically and exposing them as irrational. For example.>Every day I fantasize about being maleHow do you know you'll be the kind of man you want to be? What if you're fat, ugly, balding, short and impotent?>having a wife,How do you know she'll be faithful? That she'll genuinely love you? That your fantasy marriage won't end in a painful divorce?>having male friendsWhat makes you certain that you'd have friends just because you're a man? Finding friends at all is rare these days, to say nothing of having genuine friends who are trustworthy and virtuous.>Even if I were miserable, at least I'd have a dickHow do you know that it's a dick you could be proud of? What if it's ugly, small or mangled? Your odds of having a mutilated penis would be extremely high, considering the number of men who are circumcised. I can say personally that I've been physically pained by my circumcision all my life, and it's not something I'd wish on anyone, nor would anyone fantasize about it if they knew what it was like.The root problem here is that you have a belief that isn't rational, it's totally detached from reality. To think that one simple change can make you happy is to admit that you don't know anything about happiness. When these sorts of irrational thoughts crop up, you should disprove them using reason. Drag them out into the light and expose them for what they are, harmful fantasies. It's no different from somebody who believes that winning the lottery would make him happy, or the many anons here who think that having sex will get rid of their depression.
>>34557610>I would kill myself if a penis ever entered my vagina holy shit*inserts penis into her vagina*>UgggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhDon't worry, you'll feel good :^)
>>34557631All of these worst-case scenarios can be applied to being a woman too. There is no hope for me tbhdesu
>>34557610>Even if I were miserable, at least I'd have a dick.That will never be the case. You'd also never think like a man, since you're more emotionally driven, you have a weaker body and so on.But that's okay.You mentioned that you feel like a faggot, so you find it silly when you're feminine? Have you looked at yourself in the mirror while acting feminine? (Ballet tutorial videos are great to adapt a highly feminine posture)What I am trying to get at, is do you think that it looks good, when you're feminine?
>>34557641>That will never be the case. You'd also never think like a man, since you're more emotionally driven, you have a weaker body and so on.I was talking about if I were born in the opposite sex. I know I'll never be a man, but I'll never be comfortable being a woman. >What I am trying to get at, is do you think that it looks good, when you're feminine?I feel like a skinwalker. I have never looked at myself in a dress or in makeup and thought "hell yeah." I look weird, and I feel like I'm pretending
>>34557376>Do I just settle for being a tomboy? I feel like I'm going to be a disgustingly ugly womanTomboys are hot and sought after though. A lot of men find tomboyish women to be easier to talk to and more relatable than more girly women.
>>34557653Why don't you just do as you please and wear what you like? There must be something which makes you feel good, right?
>>34557376>How to get rid of "gender dysphoria"It's literally a psychosis and responds to anti-psychotic meds.
>>34557658>There must be something which makes you feel goodInb4 horny anon makes a dick joke
>>34557655I have an ugly face and I'm not really attracted to men. Is there a way to trick myself into liking men so I don't die alone.
>>34557638Everyone has the same problems, that's the point. Creating a fantasy world in which men don't have the same problems as women is why you're idealizing being a man. But the truth is that while everyone shares the same hurdles, there's also hope for everyone, because happiness doesn't come from having an ideal set of circumstances. Happiness comes from within, from your own moral character and the love that you put forth into the world. It comes from what you learn how to do with unideal circumstances. No one can be happy until they've learned how to appreciate personal growth and good personal conduct. And once they've learned how to do that, they'll no longer feel the need for money, beauty, sex, fame, fortune or anything else external to themselves. Their happiness will come from within and shine outward, rather than them expecting happiness to originate from outside and come inwards.
>>34557658Not really. When I dreas masculine I also feel like a skinwalker. I don't really recognize myself in the mirror no matter what. >>34557659I've been on 3 different antipsychotics in 3 or 4 years. >>34557665How does this even work. I don't know if its because I've been a depressed faggot for my whole life but this is a foreign concept to me. >inb4 therapyI started therapy at 9 and meds at 12
OP, I'm telling you, you just need to feel good, what has made the thought of having a penis inside you so scared and disgusted?
>>34557662> I have an ugly faceAll women are ugly without makeup. It is about the only thing saving the human race at this point.>I'm not really attracted to menWhat's funny about this is that most women are not physically attracted to men. The swipe rate for women on dating apps is less than 5%.
>>34557666>666Ze Satan
>>34557666>I've been on 3 different antipsychotics in 3 or 4 years.You've got to be shitting me.Why didn't you start with that?Ease out of that shit and chill the fuck out. You're going to be fine.
>>34557669>All women are ugly without makeupRetard>most women are not physically attracted to menDouble retard.What is wrong with you?
>>34557669>most women are not physically attracted to men>All women are ugly without makeupI don't think you find women attractive either. I prefer women without makeup. >>34557671I haven't been on any meds for about 6 months. My depression has gotten better, but no changes to dysphoria. >>34557668Unironically if you weren't such a fucken creep I'd talk to you. I'd be willing to talk to someone personallly who would somehow cure my dysphoria and ease me into femininity, but I don't want to be forced to have sex.
>>34557675>What is wrong with you?NTA, I am this asshole here >>34557592>>34557603>>34557633>>34557668But he is right. Women don't like guys, they like Chads. It's different, all women are Chadsexual, men would fuck anything, even another man dressed as a woman.
>>34557677>I don't want to be forced to have sex.Nobody is forcing you, I am of course joking, we're probably from different countries to begin with and I would never meet you in real life. Don't take my jokes this seriously.
>>34557681I think we misunderstood each other, I know you're joking but I feel like anyone who would talk to me 1-on-1 about this would want to do sexo with me. Your jokes are fine, I do the same shit to some girls but its weird to be on the receiving end (who woulda thought)
>>34557666Get off meds, they fuck up women harder than men because of your hormones. Most therapists are also scammers that don't want to help you.
>>34557678That's the most seething shitskin thing I read today, brownon.
>>34557666>How does this even workBy changing what you treasure and deem important. Someone who deems externals to be the most important thing in life, such as their bodies, their wealth or their pleasure is guaranteed to be miserable because not only have they set their sights on something petty, selfish and unimportant, but external things like those can also never be within their direct control. The world can and will take all of that away from them eventually, so any happiness that depends on those things must also disappear.Someone who treasures what's truly good and beautiful in life, such as honesty, integrity, wisdom, compassion, a sense of justice, and generosity towards others, on the other hand, can never fail to become happy because not only are those truly what life is actually about, but they're also never outside of your control. Nothing on this earth can force you to lie, cheat or harm another person. Your purity of heart is yours to treasure and perfect for as long as you live, so if you make purity of heart your primary concern in life, you'll never be truly hopeless or bereft. It may sound idealistic, but it's actually extremely practical and easily within your reach. Everyone is in control of their own beliefs and can change them for the better, they just have to introspect and get in the habit of thinking rationally.
>>34557684>its weird to be on the receiving endNo bros would feel like that though. I talk to my bros about fucking them all the time and they know I'm joking.>I feel like anyone who would talk to me 1-on-1 about this would want to do sexo with me.Don't worry, there's no chance of this happening even if I wanted to, unfortunately, I beat so much to hentai that I can't get it up for any women.>That's the most seething shitskin thing I read today, brownon.I was going to post a picture of my hands but we're not in 2011 anymore.
Anyway anon, I'll stop joking, you are not a man, there's no problem with it, you can still do things that man usually do (except a few of them, like fucking a woman). But I think you'll grow out of it at some point, don't think too much about wanting to be a man, the male experience is just terribly cruel, I'll tell you.
>>34557376>How do I stop wanting to transition???I am a mtf detrans after 8 years on hrt. I’ve learned that the whole gender dysphoria thing was like a virus that hijacked my brain and identity at age 16. I now realize that this happened because I did not have an identity or a community at the time, I was not connected to my sexuality either, and I had no creative outlets. Doing yoga also helped a lot, especially hip-opening poses. Stop consuming all drugs if you smoke weed or anything, try meditating, find ways to express your creativity, and find an irl community of like-minded CIS women if possible. Healing from this affliction is very, VERY difficult, which is why you almost never hear of detransitioners, but it is possible.
>>34557695>perverted and/or self deprecating jokes>slimy way of talking to a femanonHonorary brown it is.
>>34557707Well, I'm sorry if you don't have a sense of humor. Some of us just want to have a good laugh as society collapses.
>>34557704This is actually the most helpful response. Hearing from a detransitioner helps more than people who have never experienced dysphoria telling me how to get rid of it.This makes sense. 12/13 was when I was locked in my house due to covid and lost contact with all my friends. I lost any sort of identity and all my interests due to depression. I don't do drugs or drink, thankfully. I'm not really sure how to find cis women since most of my internet usage has been 4chan for the past 3/4 years. I'll try though. Making this thread made me really sad. I hope I can be normal someday.
>>34557723Glad I could help. <3 I wish I could help more people in your position!Never lose sight of the fact that you are a woman, and seriously try yoga it really helps. There are plenty of yt videos to follow along. Add my discord if you have any more questions or just want to talk: humor011
>>34557723For the record>>34557575>>34557631>>34557665Are all from somebody who was "dysphoric" and very nearly got groomed into transitioning. The path I described was my way out. Realizing that my real self had nothing to do with my body or sex and everything to do with my moral conduct and treatment of others was how I became happy with myself.
>>34557729Added :)>>34557732Thanks for letting me know. Like I said before, it seems like such a foreign concept. I don't really know how to be introspective or change my values and whatnot. I am a very stagnant person and also pretty retarded so I struggled to really apply it. Sorry.
>>34557746It's okay, everyone has their own path. I hope you find yours. Just never forget that it is possible to become comfortable with yourself as long as you keep trying. Giving up is the only thing that can ensure you stay uncomfortable.
>>34557746Everyone is retarded at your age, try to treat yourself with more grace.
>>34557767I wish I was the normal amount of retarded. I am ultra mega retarded I think
>>34557729Out of pure curiosity,Did you get more than one request? Kek
>>34557770Oh yeah? I'm so retarded I still live in BC
>>34557376you're just a tomboy. It's okay to be a straight girl who likes fishing.
>>34557376>How do I stop wanting to transition???stop using the internet
>>34557601I understand just fine, it's not my fault she's a fucking retard that can't express herself properly.
>>34557376I’m going the through the same thing as you anon, honestly just settle for being a tomboy I think. I haven’t figured it out either but most people told me to transition so maybe put some thought into that. I have trans friends that I live vicariously through them so maybe consider that, also consider having some of your close online friends refer to you as male to help with your dysphoria (hopefully).
>>34557695>I talk to my bros about fucking them all the time and they know I'm joking
Oh shit, I’ve been here. I’m FTMTF, I suppose. I’m 24 now, and I had pretty bad dysphoria from 12-21, and I took testosterone for about four years. Not sure how much of my own slop will be applicable to you, but I hope any of it can be useful.There are a few major things that helped with my dysphoria: getting in touch with my body, letting go of other people’s perceptions, and building friendships.First: the gym is a great place. If body shape was the whole issue, you could hit upper body hard get a more masculine build, and call it quits. However, pushing myself to be better and grounding myself in the physical world made me feel less anxious and more accepting - it also helped me recognize that I’m not doomed to pathetic waifdom. Being strong is good for the soul, and pushing your body to be its best has made me more grateful for mine in every sense.Second: a big part of why I transitioned is because i HATED myself. I wanted to change the way other people thought of me, and I wanted to be someone new and wonderful. The sooner you give up on controlling how others see you, the happier you’ll be, even disregarding transition. You will always be misinterpreted, and that’s okay.Third: Like >>34557704 said, an IRL community is really helpful. Having female friends was really important for me because I stopped seeing women as a big monolith and as just a thing people can be.Being female means exactly ONE thing, and it’s that you have one set of sex organs instead of the other. Even detransitioned, I’m butch as hell. Take some time to figure out what kind of ‘you’ makes you happy and strive for it.This is a nothingburger, but I’m rooting for you, and I promise you’re not alone. You’ll figure it all out.
>>34557376You are a woman with some male interests, you don't have to be super feminine you just need to be you.
On the opposite side of the spectrum here. I have male-to-female gender dysphoria that I have never acted on.I don't really have advice for you as much as I have counter advice.If it is your choice, as was mine, to not transition, DO NOT SPEND TIME ONLINE LOOKING AT SUCESS STORIES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. Do not surround yourself with transgenderism. You will become a bitter transphobe if you do that, like Glinner. You will suffer immensely too.
>>34562003Don't be jealous, anon
>>34562843There's no such thing as a success story for transgenderism. That's a contradiction in terms, like "alcoholic success story". The only success is quitting the harmful habit or not starting in the first place. No tranny has ever been happy with themselves or their choice, by definition.
>>34557376>Now, 6 years later, I hate myself>I feel like I'm going to be a disgustingly ugly womanThe answer is right in front of you. The problem isn't that you want to be a man the problem is that you hate yourself, and being a woman is a part of "you".The solution is to learn to love yourself, the first step (which you've already taken) is becoming self aware about your thoughts and beliefs about yourself, the second step (which you've also taken) is realizing how silly/false those thoughts and beliefs are.Step 3, 4, 5 etc. I can't really say because everyone hates themselves uniquely and so they must learn to love themselves uniquely. But in general I would suggest meditation as a good starting point, real meditation, not listening to any "guided" meditation bullshit, just focusing on 1 thing like your breath or the sounds around you or repeating a mantra in your head in the effort to get present in the moment while also you observe your thoughts... and when you observe your thoughts just actually observe them don't react to them, to react to your thoughts is to create another thought. Look outside the window and observe what's out there, notice how you don't think about every single thing you see out the window like every bird or every car or every color etc you just observe... that's how you want to observe your thoughts without reacting/thinking about your thoughts. But also if you do react or think about your thoughts while meditation don't beat yourself up about it because then that's another reaction just be happy you caught yourself and continue. Meditate for 20 mins a day and after 1 week you'll notice you're a lot more present and less in your head during the day. And also when you do listen/observe your own thoughts sometimes that can be useful in terms of finding out what you hate about yourself.
>>34557746>I don't really know how to be introspective or change my values and whatnotIf you ever struggle to find out what you love about yourself or hate about yourself or what you want in life etc just grab a pen and paper and write down stuff.Write down the top 10 stuff you hate about yourself, spend a good amount of time making the list, actually think about it. Then after half an hour or so look at the list and see if there are any trends. See if there's anything that's not your fault or something that's actually in your power to change. See if some of these things are insecurities. Ask yourself if it's helpful or hurtful to hate these things about yourself. Then write a paragraph describing what your life would be like if you didn't hate these things about yourself, how would you feel, what would you do, what would be easier to do in your life?Conversely write down the top 10 stuff you love about yourself and try to find trends and patterns there too etc. What's missing?Read the 4 hour work week, especially the stuff about "dreamlining", that's more about finding out what you want to do in life but it's a good example of using pen and paper to be more introspective
