My full scale IQ ranges from 109-112.I am a STEM Pharmacy student.Can I still do MSc and PhD?Is there any PROOF that IQ is invalid? I am like the most IQ conscious person on this board.I took also the Big Five test and it almost maxxed out on neuroticism (which checks out) and I got average or below average on all others.I know you can't CHANGE your IQ, but can I at least do a good job if I literally use all my potential and work hard? Or should I just put least effort and coast and not take any risks?Idk what to do now. I am neither low IQ nor smart.
Holy shit my writing is so fucking botched.I wrote too fast.I feel like shit since I wanted to do MSc and PhD in some good science heavy pharmacy field but now I feel like it's a gamble.
Your IQ is still above average, even if only by one standard deviation. You can absolutely do a PhD if you work hard, which is what all PhD students do regardless of IQ.
any degree you can get from an accredited college you can get with 100-115 IQ. it wouldn't be profitable to offer a degree if it automatically excluded 84% of people
>>34566096You can do a MSc and PhD, only the truly truly stupid cannot do that if have determination, as shown by plenty of PhDs being idiots.
>>34566096IQ matters more at the extremes i think you could reasonably expect to do most things if your IQ is around 110, though you would probably struggle with some things like software engineering or anything math-heavy neuroticism doesn't really matter much btw conscientiousness is the single biggest factor for life success along with IQ
>>34566283I might do pharmacometrics which is literally pharmacy + math. If I start doing math from scratch, do you think I can pull it off?
>>34566096Stop worrying about it and just do what you want to do. You are conscious about intelligence being important for studying so you will do good enough in whatever you do. If you work efficiently and effectively you can do many things, more than you can believe. So go for it and give us updates
>>34566333>pharmacometricssounds similar to Epidemiology which is a joke that an 8th grader could do. not real math. so yes i would think so
>>34566096IQ tests measure only one thing - how skilled you are at taking IQ tests. There is evidently some correlation between that skill and doing well in school (though that could be partly explained by the fact that school involves a lot of tests). There is NO clear connection between IQ and business success, or even IQ and common sense.And you CAN raise your IQ - just take lots of IQ tests and you'll get better at the skill of test-taking.NO educational institution uses IQ as a factor in admissions.
>>34566369>There is NO clear connection between IQ and business success, or even IQ and common sense.this is patently false>And you CAN raise your IQ - just take lots of IQ tests and you'll get better at the skill of test-taking.this is also false>NO educational institution uses IQ as a factor in admissions.no but they use test scores from SATs etc which is highly correlated with IQ
>>34566096>Is there any PROOF that IQ is invalid?IQ is real. You may argue about the validity of IQ tests in measuring your IQ.>can I at least do a good job if I literally use all my potential and work hard?A person does not need to be a once in a century genius to achieve extraordinary results. If someone focuses all their energy into one craft with obsession, discipline, and consistency, they can become terrifyingly skilled at it. Human beings often overestimate talent and underestimate repetition. A river can carve through stone not because it is stronger than the mountain, but because it never stops flowing.Look at Hikaru Nakamura for example. His IQ was reportedly measured around 100. Yet he became one of the strongest chess players of his generation and even reached world number one in both rapid and blitz chess in 2014. Chess is supposed to be the sacred kingdom of geniuses, yet discipline, pattern recognition, experience, competitiveness, and thousands upon thousands of hours carried him to the top.>should I just put least effort and coast and not take any risks?If you do that, you will carry that decision for the rest of your life. One day, when your hair is gray, your mind will wander through a graveyard of unanswered questions.>What if I had tried harder?>What if I had taken that risk?>What if I had believed in myself just once?
>>34566283>struggle with some things like software engineeringI have never tested my IQ but I have worked in the software engineering industry for about 5 years, I can say with confidence that anyone can be a software engineer as long as they are not mentally impaired.
>>34566438OP here.Even if they start learning to code at 26?(Studying a non coding related STEM degree (Pharmacy)) but I might have to learn to code and run simulations and learn some math for the pharmacometrics path I want to major in (MSc/PhD)
>>34566402https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7-pT3CviyM
>>34566445>Even if they start learning to code at 26?Absolutely. I could teach you if you want. I will not lie to you. I have started learning when I was 18, by the age of 19 I was taking internships. I am not bright either. Many of my peers were geniuses that coded from birth.>>34566445>I might have to learn to code and run simulations and learn some math for the pharmacometrics path I want to major in (MSc/PhD)Even easier, the core stack for that would be R, Python, SQL, maybe NONMEM, Julia, and MATLAB (these last threes I haven't learned, but it's doable). As long as you learn the principles behind the language, you can learn similar languages, if you learn SQL, you can work with any type of SQL language (TSQL, MSSQL...), if you learn Python, you can work well with R, no to mention that even different languages like C#, JavaScript, Java that are focused on doing other stuff share a lot of similarities. You can definitely do it, with AI, it is even easier, maybe you won't even have to worry about learning the syntax but just the core principles and the basics of the language.
>>34566468>these last three*See, I am not bright, lol
>>34566455looks like slop content
>>34566438that means nothing to meobviously the people you see in the industry are the ones who made it, ergo you're not seeing the swaths of people with average to below average IQ that don't make it. it's survivorship bias
>>34566096doing a PhD is pointless if it isn't highly quantitative or g loaded and even more so if you're below <+2SDyou'd just be wasting time at that point
>>34566438>>34566468That gives me a bit of confidence.
>>34566105110 isn't even close to a standard deviation though.
>>34566369>IQ tests measure only one thing - how skilled you are at taking IQ tests.IQ tests are designed to measure general intelligence, when taken by someone unfamiliar with them and who does not have the answer key.So yes, you can get higher scores on an IQ test by taking lots of IQ tests and becoming familiar with the format, or by getting a copy of the answers beforehand and this will indeed get you a higher IQ score. But it will not increase your intelligence, it merely breaks the assumptions underlying the test.That you are apparently unaware of this immediately identifies you as an extremely stupid person.
>>34567246even when taken in controlled conditions, it's not uncommon to get +/- 1 stdev results. iq tests are reliable, on the margin, for measuring populations and not reliable for individual results
I would not feel discouraged about being low IQ and going to college. To me, the people who usually do make others feel discouraged are unaware of how helpful a college education can be to someone despite how they can party and pass with an easy A, and them struggle and get a C. If education should only be for the intellectually elite, then all you are doing is encouraging the retarded to be more retarded.
>>34566096Unless you're doing mathematics or adjacent fields you don't have much to worry about. You can get there with hardwork. Don't obsess over IQ it's not the end all be all, only an idiot assigns his worth to a number. Feynman tested 125 btw.>>34566333This is more applied math than actual math, you'll be fine, don't sweat it.
>>34566369>IQ tests measure only one thing - how skilled you are at taking IQ tests.midwits in shambles
>>34567685Right and given how high your IQ is why aren't you in med school now giving a lecture instead of sitting on your computer with a wasted big brain while some people with lower IQs are doing something with their life. Yeah sure truth nuke. MORE LIKE TRUTH QUANTUM DIMENSIONAL NUKE
>>34567698This is extra funny because i am actually in med school lmao
>>34566096108 may br optimal for being in higher education. 130 is often wierd and has unconventional narrow interests.
>>34566128but he is not talking about doing BE in some oofy doofy accountant degree but rather PhD in STEM so by definition it excludes mediocre people>>34566436>Look at Hikaru Nakamura he did mensa online test on live where it was 100% obvious he was bullshitting and just pretending to be low iq to farm clipsin comparison Kasparov had one measured by professionals at 128, Fischer was like 170 and Hans Niemann got max score at a test capped at 140
>>34567929>pretending to be low iqThis is actually a good strategy, you don't want to reveal your power level or constantly squeeze your brainBest to save it when it counts
>>34566096I am 141 IQ with a PhD.> Can I still do MSc?Yes, 100%.> PhD?PhD is heavily luck based. What defines whether you finish is your supervisor, your work environment (whether you have a community and support), the data that is provided (I had to wait 1 year and a half to see data), and the living environment (if you're in the US it's absurdly hard if you're in Norway that's easy). Your IQ does not even matter if you are organized and know how to work.> maxxed out on neuroticis Your IQ is unrelated to your mental health, it's normal. Perfect would be 125, where you are feeling superior but still grounded in reality, but 110 is fine. Just take care of yourself, go to therapy. > can I at least do a good job if I literally use all my potential and work hard? Hahaha you're refreshingly naive. Getting a good job is about making compromise to get what you want. The easiest compromise you can make is to be an asshole and have no life to get a high paying high responsibility job. Getting what most people consider a good job is almost only about soft skills like assertiveness, manipulation, and a pinch of psychopathy to be able to monkey branch from person to person depending on who's most useful to you. Being high IQ is actively detrimental as you get bogged down by details like quality of what you're doing, meaning and so on. Sounds cliché, but it is overall true. The way you're asking this question, you appear to still believe the top worker get the best position. That is gonna be a painful belief; don't compare yourself to others, know what you want and work towards that.>should I just put least effort and coast and not take any risks?Dude litteraly what are you talking about. You are smarter than most people. That's the takeaway of the test. Don't use this to make decision you will for sure regret when you're older. Again, think about what you want out of life, that's what matters, not the IQ test.
>>34566369> IQ tests measure only one thing - how skilled you are at taking IQ testsThat is true. But science showed that how skilled you are at solving IQ test is correlated with other things we commonly associate with intelligence. There is indeed the caveat that if you grind IQ tests, you will get higher result but will not get better at anything else. this is not what most people do though.> There is evidently some correlation between that skill and doing well in school Yep that's one of the correlations I was talking about> that could be partly explained by the fact that school involves a lot of tests What? Being good at a history test does not make you good at a math test. Being good at a running test does not make you good at a philosophy test. A "test" is not a general thing you can be good at. A slightly better argument would be to say that IQ test heavily rely on arbitrarily knowledge you learn at school, like langage, but then you'd have to prove that learning those things does not make you inherently smarter.> There is NO clear connection between IQ and business successBecause "business success" is not a thing. There is a correlation between IQ and income though.> or even IQ and common senseThis is also because "common sense" is not a thing. There is a strong correlation between IQ and general knowledge though, to the point that some IQ tests only use trivia questions, and it works quite well.> you CAN raise your IQ - just take lots of IQ test True, but it won't make you better at anything else that is correlated with IQ, so it's stupid.> NO educational institution uses IQ as a factor in admissions. Ok now you've gone full retard. Of course an educational institution doesn't use IQ for admission, the point is to reward people that are hardworking on specific subjects, not to reward "intelligence" or people who grind IQ tests. A lot of companies use IQ test for admission though, because they know about all the correlations.
>>34567385>it's not uncommon to get +/- 1 stdev resultsIt's common to get -1 std dev results. Flu or cold can easily knock you down a std deviation. But +1 std dev results don't happen unless you've got a copy of the answer key.
>>34567934bro not like thateverybody knows nakamura is super smart>2800 in chess>made a shit ton on money on the stonk marketbut because he is genuinely good at the job of being a streamer he knows when to make something quote dumb just so people make 10 thousand youtube shorts/tiktak clips for free advertisement he doesn’t try to hide his smartness because guess fucking what, everybody knows who he is
