>>34568779
> main thing i wanted to do the ENTIRE time i grew up is impossible?
Be specific.

> adapt to some new low, or accept some new disrespect because i have no other options
You and 95% of the population.

> I need to lock in and fix this but i dont know how.
For me, the solid argument was "well, I am not killing myself yet, might as well do 'the right things'"

You are too old for generic /adv/ advice - yes, lock in - sleep, hydrate, eat, walk, groom, etc, but also focus on the thing you are doing, whatever that is, and do it well. Or don't.

So specifically is the issue that you're having trouble making friends or finding someone to start a family with? Like you set yourself up well work-wise but are struggling relationally?

>>34568779
Figure out what you want to do that isn't OBJECTIVELY impossible.

Write down a list of every obstacle you would have to overcome in order to do it. Include even the smallest things.

Give up your greatest vices, whatever you're doing instead of pursuing your goal quit that shit cold turkey. Whatever you think about in your idle time instead of achieving your goal is your vice. Probably gooning gaming or weed.

Make progress on clearing at least one of your obstacles every single day preferably before you do anything for hedonistic purposes.

If you exert some small degree of control over your life on a regular basis this way regularly it WILL overwrite the learned helplessness that's ruining your life bit by bit.

If you have social anxiety or poor social skills the answer is ultimately to go suffer through various forms of rejection until it stops hurting.

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>>34568779
Pride and great expectations are the things bringing you down. Rather than continually telling yourself that you deserve better, it would be more productive to meditate on the idea that everyone is as happy as they deserve to be. Humility and gratitude are two of the most important virtues, not only do they make a person more deserving of happiness, but they actually make that person happier.

>>34568916
I am having trouble in basically everything at this point but the chronic issue is romantic relationships. I cant even imagine them at this point in my life. I remember in like high school there was a few times i could have gotten into one but i believed the whole "you have to love yourself before you love someone else" not realizing thats for people who have other problems that are further along and arent loneliness issues. Being depressed from loneliness is like being hungry from lack of food. You dont go down some Buddhist path of freeing yourself from hunger to eat, you just eat. But for some reason our society has outright decided that for a percentage of it, people like me need to go on some insane soul searching shedding materialism and desires path before you can go on a date. Its obviously bullshit and im sick of pretending its not. This ostracization and dehumanization i received growing up has built on me to the point where i no longer feel human and i dont want to participate in a society that views me as a second class citizen.

>>34569055
>Figure out what you want to do that isn't OBJECTIVELY impossible.

My confidence at this point is shot so this list is pretty short.

>Give up your greatest vices

currently my greatest vices are porn and escorts. Giving them up makes me want to kill myself in the most literal sense. Like i full on make plans to do it and have even attempted it twice. I really crave physical affection to an insane and disproportionate degree and the only thing thats stopped me from seeing escorts again(for now) is the cost and the fact i hate it. I shouldnt have to pay to get what dumbass mid dudes get for free. The women im fucking arent even hot. They all look like they would inhabit dive bars but thats what you get around here.

>Make progress on clearing at least one of your obstacles every single day

Some obstacles are only obstacles because i gave up. Thats the issue. I am really struggle to rally myself like i used to, ive tried to get back on the tracks so to speak multiple times and i just dont care. I know i need to, but i just dont care. I hate myself, and view myself as inhuman. This is my biggest hurdle that blocks me from everything else.Once i fix that, i will be in a better place.

>If you exert some small degree of control over your life on a regular basis this way regularly it WILL overwrite the learned helplessness that's ruining your life bit by bit.

I get you, i just need to push myself again. I just have felt like the last 5 or so years has been me pressing the gas peddle so to speak and nothing happening. I took a 2 and a half week vacation to recharge and yet i still feel like this. I should be better, in my early 20s i was after such a long break. But im not. Im not better and im not more hopeful.

>>34568779
So because you live in a fantasy reality where u think that there is some arbiter of meaning that didn't award you with the prize u are owed aka a romantic relationship and u think that will somehow bring you lasting meaning is a great illusion. Instead you should not give up on your desire to find a loving wife and instead take actual steps towards it while accepting that A: it won't bring you lasting meaning B: it won't complete you. C: it could never happen. But don't give up on it and enjoy working towards it you will prob be able to fk some goths with this method of ((do))!

There's a good youtuber called "Healthy gamer" that has a bunch of self help videos that I think will answer your questions. Specially your "just lock down" thing which he has a video about why that shit doesn't work and is designed to make you fail and how to properly do it.

>>34569155
Not really that i deserve it more than most people seem to deserve it, including people who beat and rape women, while i am told no, i need to go down some celibate mystic ass path of enlightenment before i am allowed to get what most people got at 16. This, on top of also feeling like i am living below everyone has bred a lot of resentment from me. It goes back to school, the other kids around me seemed to just understand everything, they got better grades, they got rewarded for their work. This is a problem thats existed in my life since i was at least 7 or 8 years old because i remember talking to the school counselor back then about how i feel like everyone is better than me and that i dont matter. It was so bad my parents got told about it and they basically didnt do anything besides make it a pissing contest for misery. "Oh i went through this, you had it easy" type bullshit.

>>34569142
>My confidence at this point is shot so this list is pretty short.

Try to consider yourself from a 3rd person perspective and imagine what someone who's like you could realistically achieve. Not YOU but the ideal version of you that only exists in your imagination right now. Someone who already overcame all of your problems especially your lack of motivation.

>Give up your greatest vices

Not gonna lie to you this is probably the most painful and important step. For me it was gaming, my life revolved around gaming just so my mind would be occupied with that instead of thinking about how dogshit my life was, when i wasn't playing games i was thinking about games i was currently playing most of the time. After giving it up cold turkey i developed such horrible general anxiety i was having heart palpitations and desperately talking myself out of turning to drugs or killing myself daily.
That lasted roughly a month that felt like a brief eternity. Now that I'm passed it i actually have mental bandwidth that i can and have been using to better my life. As it just so happens i went to the dentist yesterday for the first time in about 18 years.

The longer you spend rotting the more painful it's going to be when you eventually face the music.

>Some obstacles are only obstacles because i gave up.

This exactly the problem i solved following that list of steps. It may not work for you now or ever. Maybe you just need to suffer more before the gears can start to turn for you like they did for me. At the very least make the list of obstacles. I can't really explain the set of circumstances that led me to do that part but i did not expect it to have the effect on me that it did. Something about it just made my situation clear to me in a way it never had before, i was able to think through exactly what i needed to do in order to start changing my life in the ways that i actually wanted.

1/2

>>34569214
Nah bro u just like have a fantasy that doesn't exist that like u deserve some societal standard that doesn't exist... There isn't someone up there guaranteeing that if ur a good person or if ur successful you will get pussy lol
You think there are a bunch of people like partying and fucking girls and having the time of their lives lol. This is called a fantasy of cohesion and basically it's you reaching for like a standard of meaning that you can apply across the board like God or something that sets the standard for what's going on. But that's an illusion.

>>34569242
>I get you, i just need to push myself again

If you don't quit gooning you will fail again. There is a contingent of retards out there who think semen retention gives you super powers but it obviously doesn't. The reason it works for some people is because they're addicted to gooning like you are. I strongly recommend you do a "No nut November", any 30 day period is fine. You will almost certainly fail and have to start over before you succeed. The trick is to guard your thoughts. If you see something arousing literally avert your eyes. If your mind starts to linger on sexual thoughts immediately go do anything to distract yourself, preferably something productive. If you haven't experienced the "flatline" where your libido stops increasing over time then you haven't succeeded yet. (It goes right back to normal after you nut)

If you don't quit your vice you are probably doomed. You most likely wont even be able to find the motivation to kill yourself. You're just going to rot away until your dick doesn't work anymore and you truly have no hope left, then you'll kill yourself.

No matter what you do or don't do it's going to be very painful. At least choose the route that has a slim chance of giving you a good life.

I believe in you bro.

>>34568779
>Like what is the point of life if the main thing i wanted to do the ENTIRE time i grew up is impossible?
The point is to make it happen or die trying. Alternatively, if your goal is truly hopeless, the point becomes to find something else to work for. You'd have to do that anyway if you did achieve you goals because otherwise life would suddenly feel pointless again.

>>34569284
>If you don't quit gooning you will fail again

Except that most guys goon and jerk off. And most guys arent going 10-15 years with zero female attention at all. I think theres more going on here, a situation of the chicken and the egg. I became a gooner because i didnt stand a chance with women once i got older. Its very odd, i had a chance in my late teens but it seems like when i turned like 20 ALL chances IMMEDIATELY dried up. Extremely weird.

>If you don't quit your vice you are probably doomed. You most likely wont even be able to find the motivation to kill yourself. You're just going to rot away until your dick doesn't work anymore and you truly have no hope left, then you'll kill yourself.

I feel like this is how its going to go anyways since i cant seem to get the bare minimum life i wanted. Like im not even asking for the best here just like what ever other dude around me gets would be insanely luxurious to me.

>>34569946
Happiness comes from attitude, not circumstance. If your circumstances improved but your attitude remained the same, you'd just become bitter and jealous of the people who have it slightly better than you in that position, the same way you're doing now by taking everything you currently have for granted. It'd better to learn how to be thankful for what you do have, than to dwell on thoughts of what you wish you had. Not only can that be done without giving up your aspirations, but it will actually give you the motivation to improve that you currently lack. A sour attitude is the cause of all your troubles, not a bad situation.

>>34568779
I cope with religion. I meme myself into believing that I am communicating with Christ and the angels of God. It is easy to believe for me. One of the upsides of being mentally ill.

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>>34568779
Liek this.

>>34568779
>How do you guys battle hopelessness?
By the way, sometimes hope is an evil. Since it is only prolonging your suffering. On the topic of women, personally, I've given up on it. I am trying to accept that I'll be celibate. Better than deceiving myself with a hope that is delusional.

>>34569214
Don't listen to the other anon. Your parents are at fault. It is the truth.

>>34569946
>Except that most guys goon and jerk off.

Yes, and most guys play video games too. It becomes a vice when you get addicted to it, never before. People who lead healthy and fulfilling lives don't get addicted to things like gaming and porn, the void has to exist before you can fill it with escapist garbage. If you want to heal that void you have to first remove the garbage, get it?

>I feel like this is how its going to go anyways
As long as you keep telling yourself that you're NGMI. The reason you're telling yourself that is because of learned helplessness, your perceptions of failure (Not even the failures themselves) have been recorded in your subconscious and when you think of doing things where you expect to fail your brain produces serotonin that suppresses your motivation. Do small things that you know you can manage on a regular basis and your brain will unlearn the helplessness that's producing "just give up" hormones.

I've been where you are and made it out. I can't prove that but just take this all as fact. Your ailing brain is going to blast you with gay hormones telling you that you're going to fail if you try and every time you cave to that feeling the neural pathways are restored.

If you want to goon more than you want to fix your life then by all means. Stop wasting people's time by posting black-pill shit in the endless sea of black-pill shit when you're not actually looking for advice, that's just emotional incontinence which women find instinctively repulsive btw.

>>34570140
You have a point. I dont know why i even tried to justify that. Porn has destroyed basically every relationship ive tried to get into. Not really adult relationships since like i said my luck died at 20 over it but all the relationships i could have gotten into were ruined by porn as a teenager. As an adult i think they are just being ruined by the dehumanization of both porn and escorts. I know i am significantly worse, by metrics, than the average guy when it comes to this because ive talked to so many women online and they routinely tell me i am the kinkest and freakiest dude theyve ever met. To me sex is oxygen and its really hard to live without it.

I just feel powerless to it. When i try to go without porn i might last a week, maybe 3. But i eventually go back. Every time i go back. Its hard to replace the dopamine kick that comes from it and the relaxation that follows. I also crave the excitement which i think is another reason why i struggle to fully give these two things up. Willpower only lasts so long. I need to figure out how to stop chasing highs all the time. Im not sure how.

>>34570250
Do you have some other kind of outlet? Former drug addicts note that getting addicted to exercise was common (and obviously better for their lives). Let's discuss assuming you are still here. You have/had one or more of these
1) A void to fill.
2) An addictive personality.
3) Difficulty dealing with "bad things".
Go into detail on all three of these and then we will go from there.

>>34568779
I'm pretty close to giving up too, anon. I'm 28, spent most of my 20's growing increasingly depressed. I don't really have friends, despite putting myself out there over and over. Same thing with women. I make good money and have a lot saved but at this point I have nothing to spend it on.

I think I'll probably an hero when I hit 30. I don't really see life getting better.

>>34570140
>>34569284
Always skeptical with guys who treat quitting porn as a magic bullet. I quit it once for 2 months back in 2022 and didn't feel happier. Mostly just more lonely.

>>34570250

You can't just give up your vice, it needs to be replaced with something better. If the void is left empty you'll inevitably follow the path of least resistance right back into it.
>>34570628

Quitting porn will only help you if it's YOUR vice. If your usage of it is healthy then it wont improve your life. If it is your particular vice then you need to spend the time and mental energy saved on something that's good for you instead. Your vice is the thing you spend your idle time thinking about instead of thinking about how to advance your goals in life.

>>34570628
At least you have money. You can always fall back on that. My entire life has been a battle to break 40k a year. That is probably why i struggle with a lot of stuff lately is because im effectively broke. Im living but im still broke.

>Always skeptical with guys who treat quitting porn as a magic bullet. I quit it once for 2 months back in 2022 and didn't feel happier. Mostly just more lonely.

For most it isnt. For me i overuse it and abuse it hard. It ruined the only relationship i could have got into at 17 and i think the reason why i struggled so hard was because i got so deep into sex addiction it made it impossible for me to love anyone. I do feel like though i am going to struggle to fix this. Like the longest ive gone was 3 weeks and by the end of it i collapsed hard back into it

>>34570763
It's fine if you relapse as long as you learn where you went wrong and make corrections. Just make sure you have a goal in life to pursue that isn't women. Women are attracted to ambition so consider them a byproduct. Almost all of them want to get with the main character, not be the main character.

>>34570848
Also i feel like this thread got derailed a bit. Although theres a good chance porn is maybe a reason why i seemed to lose all dating prospects the moment i turned 20 its not for sure. The problem is a lot of guys are single, and they dont fall into nihilistic spirals when they are alone. They dont get obsessed with it like i do. They dont wreck their lives over it. How do they do it? Why can i never seem to let go of it?

>>34571156
Read my comment here >>34570427

>>34571156
A big part of the reason you lost dating prospects at 20 is because women in your age range stop being hormonal teenage retards. The meta changes at different stages of life.

Lots of other guys struggle with porn exactly like you do. Others have drugs/alcohol. I wasted obscene amounts of time playing video games. Some of it is genetic, some of it is just happenstance. You got into a habit and it became self perpetuating.

If you look over this website and board you'll find no end of other guys falling into nihilism... Just understand that your brain has maladaptive mechanics for the modern era and if you understand them well enough you can avoid the pitfalls that are ruining so many people. Try to remember that your thoughts are just as much dictated by your mood as your mood is by your thoughts. Just because you keep articulating that you should give up doesn't mean it's not just some gay hormones talking to you.

Changing your habits isn't about will power it's about method, instead of assuming you didn't try hard enough, figure out how you didn't try smart enough. Once you manage to change your habits enough your brain chemistry will begin to change and you can snowball into a healthy lifestyle.

>>34568779
just play vidya

>>34570848
women dont get to be the main character of their own life once they've fulfilled their biological duty to have children so ur job is to literally make up for that loss by being the other half. Being made of money is one thing but being a WHOLE person is the whole thing.

>>34568779
yeah same problem. I dunno. I just texted/voice note messages with my other depressed retard disabled friend and that kinda picked up my mood. Just talking about it, hearing someone elses voice for a bit, only until he got bored and wave both had enough

>>34571372
>A big part of the reason you lost dating prospects at 20 is because women in your age range stop being hormonal teenage retards. The meta changes at different stages of life.

And i cant compete with the new meta, which has worse, like objectively worse, women with higher standards in a time where achieving those standards are extremely difficult. This is why i say even if i change, even if i become the perfect modern male, i quit watching porn, i get fit, i do all this other shit, the meta will change again, because ill be 30 by then, and some bullshit will happen that will prevent me from ever having a family or the life i want. I will eternally be mentally a young boy who was never allowed to grow up and mature like every other dude i know who found someone and was forced to do so because of that. I can literally see it in other guys behavior how much having a woman in their lives changes everything. Its why i have basically given up on life because that was my goal for life, and now i cant achieve it no matter what. I have to live with the fact 50% of the population slammed me with a death penalty sentence for...idk? Not being fast enough? Having a bad up bringing? Why should i have to be perfect by 21 to not die alone?

>If you look over this website and board you'll find no end of other guys falling into nihilism

I wonder why. Maybe its because society today is geared towards destroying 30% of the male population for no reason?

>Changing your habits isn't about will power it's about method, instead of assuming you didn't try hard enough, figure out how you didn't try smart enough.

I think my issue is i can figure out what i did wrong, but i am too old now for it to matter. Oh, now im whatever, now im good enough...if i accomplished it fifteen years ago. Its like going back and passing a test you failed in 3rd grade. Cool, congrats, you did it, but the grade is done now. Everything is finalized.

>>34570427
>Do you have some other kind of outlet?

none that even comes close to what another person would bring me. I had a very short term girlfriend when i was 17 and to date that was the most transformative year of my life. I think it is natural for someone to want to die when they realize 50% of the population has made a conscious effort to make sure they are fucking erased from history as a nonperson for again, no reason.

>A void to fill.

Obviously i have a void to fill. I am an outlier where i live, im an outlier in my family too. To be single for this long is extremely abnormal where i live. I feel like my life has no purpose either because why work to buy anything if i cant get, no matter what, the thing that i can buy, which would be love? Like not even elon musk can get that.

>An addictive personality.

Yes and no. Ive tried many drugs, even addictive ones like oxys and percs and kicked them relatively easily. If its cheap, and it benefits me majorly in life, i usually keep doing it. Thats why porn is a problem. Escorts are a once to twice a year luxury due to the insane costs.

>Difficulty dealing with "bad things".

All i can do is look forward to bad things happening is the problem. And i have to deal with them all alone. All because some stupid bitch, or a collection of stupid bitches, watched a tiktok or some other shit and decided oh, uhh, he matches some ick or whatever, so time to sentence him collectively to something that we admitted during covid would have made us kill ourselves.

>>34570126
I’m not OP but I blame my parents for not helping me get a romantic relationship because they work with young women and pretend I’m gay and when I confront them they wanted me to be gay, and a mamas boy. Stopped contact with them years ago. I’m 30 and still a virgin.

>>34571740
>>34571759
Ok bro listen i'm going to stop trying to match you point for point. All your doing is ruminating and reinforcing your own self fulfilling belief that you've already lost. Odds are you're right, men are supposed to be natural problem solvers and you for whatever reason don't seem to be inclined to solve any of your problems. Instead you talk about women like they're supposed to solve your problems for you which is disgusting to men and women alike. You probably have low test and your too emotional and low energy to do the work to get yourself healthy and functional to a level that a woman would ever care to be involved with you.

You could be fixing your sleep schedule, fixing your diet, doing strength training, correcting your horrible posture, ect ect. All of these things improve your test levels btw.

Instead your just whining on 4chan about how there's nothing you can do in response to people telling you exactly what you could be doing. You're just practicing how to stay the biggest bitch in the world. Even the fact that you can't accept your own agency in your life is extremely feminine. Your behavior and mental state is EXTREMELY unattractive to women.

If you're happy where you are then keep doing what you're doing already it's working wonders.

>>34572075
I’ve lookmaxxed and I still get rejected. White girls avoid eye contact.

>>34571740
>Maybe its because society today is geared towards destroying 30% of the male population for no reason?
>no reason

It's not a moral reason, but think of if we were 90% females 10% males. The human population would drastically increase, country leaders generally want more people, so they can be higher at the top. With 90% males, 10% females, there would be much less birth and population would decrease. I am not saying the people at the top make it this way, it might happen naturally.

>>34572084
Women aren't attracted to looks, they're attracted to the idea of you that's in their head. (This is why they prefer smut literature to visual porn.) If they believe you're chad, then you're chad. If you have weak insecure body language they will intuit that you're weak and insecure which turns them off.

This is what all the bitter incels don't seem to understand. Women aren't picky because of a conscious choice they're making, it's how they're wired and they're powerless to do anything about it. You have the ability to change your behavior to become more attractive to women. Women have to get surgeries that can fuck up their lives to achieve the same result.

Being a woman is way easier than being a man on average, but they have so little agency compared to men it's genuinely pitiable.

To reiterate, making yourself physically more attractive will have minimal benefit if you don't act more confident as a result. There are charisma-maxxed ugly bastards who can pull and looks-maxxed "chads" who can't. It's obvious which route is more effective.

Up your test levels, it boosts your natural confidence and makes rejection hurt less. Grind your social skill, make MEN respect you, women will respect you by osmosis.

>>34572149
I am confident, I’ve straight up asked out attractive women at work that all the guys are too afraid to talk to.

>>34572208
Okay then give up and die alone bro. Trying until you succeed would be more painful than a confident man like you can endure apparently.

If you're not a dysfunctional freak and you actually ask out 100 different women you'll get one. If you are a dysfunctional freak then solve that first. Problem solving is what makes you a man. If you go around telling people you can't solve your own problems you might as well just become a femboy or some other gay shit.

>>34572237
I actually get numbers a lot but they block me after I send a text. And no, they don’t answer phone calls first I tried that.

>>34572249
Okay then give up and die alone bro. Trying until you succeed would be more painful than a confident man like you can endure apparently.

>>34572255
How do I do it without being called a pedophile?

>>34572315
Exclusively fap to adult women. Think about adult women while you're doing it. Think about adult women when you nut. If you can't do that then take it as far up the spectrum of age as possible. This will rewire your preference gradually, the younger you are the faster and easier it should be to do. Adjust the visible age of the women you fap to as you make progress.

Understand that relapsing will erase progress much faster than you can make it. If you're not strong enough to keep disciplined with this then KYS.

Fapping is now exclusively a self improvement exercise for you.

>>34572255
I don't think that's OP but I could be wrong.
>>34571372
>double negative
See me after class [spoiler]Good advice though,[/spoiler]
>>34571759
Ok so porn is filling the lonliness/relationship void. So the good news is we have pinpointed the exact problem. Now we have to solve it. You had a relationship before, so you can definitely do it again. When did your habit start, and can you identify any feelings that cause relapse? Anyways here is some advice:
1) Move in or near an urban area. It is a numbers game, so the bigger the number the better your chances will be.
2) Find an outlet. You are going to find something that you can CREATE (not consume). It can be ANYTHING as long as your are MAKING something (again, not consuming). I don't care what it is. Just make something. Also get sunlight/exercise/eat right/talk to people but I really think a creative outlet will help you. Forget about fame/money for a moment and just do it for yourself. Also start socialmaxxing. I can go into why I think this is a good idea in more detail
3) Maybe see a therapist? Idk.

>>34568779
You need to believe you are worthy of respect and love to be able to fix this issue. You know that it is possible to right the ship because you have seen people in worse situations right theirs.

Outside of yourself the world may bombard you with disrespect and insult. Inside of yourself your pride will try to knock you down to where it believes you should be.
Focus on the moments of good in these places, the small signs of respect given to you by strangers, the moments of accomplishment you feel doing things, attach onto those things and slowly build yourself back up.

I am similar to you. Everyday is a battle within and without but I believe it will get easier and things will improve.

>>34572315
...im lost, why would you get called a pedophile for talking to adult women? How young are you going for? Like im the OP of this thread and i usually go for women over the age of 21. My main target though is like 25-35. Most i just dont want to date though. Like i just cant see myself really being with them and its not even a confidence thing i just dont feel anything for a lot of women

>>34572394
If hes genuinely a pedophile there is no fix, this has been shown again and again, the only thing he can really do is learn to control himself and attempt to live a life where he doesnt offend.

>>34572490
Not him but I have heard of some people going off the deep end from porn addiction to CP and it might be from that (chasing the dragon/needing more extreme material to get off). On the other hand, it sounds so extreme and an excuse from someone who is an actual pedophile would use to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

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>>34572420
>I don't think that's OP but I could be wrong.

Its not, i wish, like really really wish we still had tripcodes even though they were so unpopular. It made it so much easier to keep track of who was saying what.

>Ok so porn is filling the lonliness/relationship void. So the good news is we have pinpointed the exact problem. Now we have to solve it. You had a relationship before, so

Ok so we can go back and forth on all your points and everything but its not going to matter really. I am tired of trying to find a relationship. I am now to a point where i cant get into one anymore. I have ruined myself that badly. This whole thread is reminding me of pic related. It is who i am at this point. I guess i just need to prepare for my ineviable death. I dont know why i keep making threads like this hoping for a fix. The fix needed to happen 15 years ago and it didnt. So now this is it. I always come to the same conclusion. Begging, debating, pleading that i wont be one of the filtered ones, but it always and i mean always ends the same.

Thanks to all that tired. But its done.

>>34572490
The romantic feeling of love isn't real. People mistake eros for love but that's never a permanent state. You need to find a woman you can have a stable life with, not one that makes you horny all the time. Go for the women that would have the best influence on your most normal and boring days, again not the ones that will make your dick hard. Also part of the game is figuring out what flaws you can expect to be able to fix over the course of the relationship, like if she's a little over weight you can influence her to count calories. If she doesn't share your interests you can get her interested the more she likes you and sees your interest in them.

>>34572531
"I tried nothing and it didn't work, all hope is lost."

>>34572531
>Its not, i wish, like really really wish we still had tripcodes even though they were so unpopular. It made it so much easier to keep track of who was saying what.
Not gonna lie I wish threads had their own user IDs so people couldn't larp or samefag. But have them be local to each thread so nobody namefags or whatever. That would be nice.

>Ok so we can go back and forth on all your points and everything but its not going to matter really. I am tired of trying to find a relationship. I am now to a point where i cant get into one anymore. I have ruined myself that badly. This whole thread is reminding me of pic related. It is who i am at this point. I guess i just need to prepare for my ineviable death. I dont know why i keep making threads like this hoping for a fix. The fix needed to happen 15 years ago and it didnt. So now this is it. I always come to the same conclusion. Begging, debating, pleading that i wont be one of the filtered ones, but it always and i mean always ends the same.

>Thanks to all that tired. But its done.

Look nigga you need to see a professional. You are clearly depressed and it is clouding your judgement. Any form of suggestions or improvement gets turned down by you. Take the advice that has been given (exercise, eating right, socializing, touching grass, etc.) and then come back when you want to get better. Otherwise idk, hope you get better man.

>>34572544
Fuck you, i tried everything, my entire teens to 20s was constantly fighting to be normal. Not even above average just average. I went to the gym three times a week every week for the entirety of 2018 and then again in 2020 and then again in 2022 and failed every time to get any real improvement. I studied and got certificates to improve my career. I changed my entire fashion style at least five times in ten years, i went to concerts, i talked to women at bars and clubs, i tried online dating too. It doesnt matter what i do, it literally fucking doesnt. I have been judged by over a hundred women as being so bad they would rather deal with an actual rapist than me. Hope is for sure lost, i am not someone who didnt try, i am someone who tried too much and realized wait, hold on, no one else had to do this, and i am not improving enough to bridge the gap. All that pain, all that suffering, was for nothing and now because i did it im instead going to have some fucker tell me i didnt try because i guess i didnt post my results every step of the way. I am done trying. Im done trying to prove to this entitled fucking 50% of the population that i am worth a shit. None of them have done anything to claim they can do that. And the fact we give them a choice to allow such overkill punishments to be given at will is insane.

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>>34568779
finding a gf I like washed a lot of the neuroticism away

I was ready to walk away from a 6 figure job cus why the fuck should I work when I have a few years of expenses saved and I'm not getting laid or have a future to care about

don't every get demoralized or disillusioned. don't let faggots to that to you. Yes jobs are tough to come by and getting women is harder than ever, but that's your Kampf now

>>34572568
Okay so WHY don't women want you? You know women want other men, what is the variable you're missing? Can they tell you're super bitter about being single? Do they know your objective in life is to fuck them and nothing else? You seem way too emotional and that will repel them too.

Start solving your problems one by one relentlessly like your brain evolved to do or your life is going to be hell. There is no relief in giving up, I've tried that.

>>34572588
>I was ready to walk away from a 6 figure job cus why the fuck should I work when I have a few years of expenses saved and I'm not getting laid or have a future to care about

This is mentally where i am and it just affects everything in your life. Like why bother getting a better job, working your ass off if you come home to an empty home? Oh cool, you can now afford a bigger empty home. And tell you are worth millions you basically are living by yourself the same life that the people in relationships are living so that struggle was totally fucking pointless. So why ever push yourself? Why ever strive for anything in society if society is just going to judge you so harshly that its only response is "work harder".

Personally i would love to find some way to neet it out. There isnt any way i could do that but just have some income that i dont need to leave the house to get, just pay my bills, spend some extra money on hobby stuff, and then relax all day. I want to give society as little as possible and just check out entirely.

My entire life, even back to childhood, that has been my goal. I have never wanted to be a part of society. I have always wanted to leave it because i am deemed constantly unfit for it.

>>34572604
>Okay so WHY don't women want you?

a million different factors that can be boiled down to not being human. Thats the only way i can explain it. I am bitter and i am angry which is why i havent tried to get into a relationship, like seriously tried, in years. My main issue now is just not completely giving up. I miss having hope for the future, but its been dead for nearly a decade now.

>>34572604
>Can they tell you're super bitter about being single?
Why is this such a crime? It’s a perfectly valid response

>>34572237
>If you're not a dysfunctional freak and you actually ask out 100 different women you'll get one.
bullshit lmfao. not how people work, sorry

>>34572623

>a million different factors that can be boiled down to not being human. Thats the only way i can explain it.

If that's the best explanation you can give then you don't even understand it yourself. Literally just follow the instructions in the third reply of the thread or shut up and die. Get a therapist if you need to.

>>34572628
It's not a crime and it's perfectly understandable. It's also perfectly understandable if you're not attracted to an obese acid attack victim. Women don't have control over what turns them off, you have to make them THINK that you're chad or else you're just not chad. Being a bitter loser will always convince them that you're a bitter loser which dries up their pussy instantly and they're powerless to prevent that from happening. Being bitter toward women for this is like being bitter at gravity for not letting you fly but if gravity crushed you even harder for being bitter. You're self destructing 100% independently. They wont save you from it because they can't. Is it that hard to understand?

>>34568913
Okay if 95% of the population are victims or whatever why do they have to go out of their way to treat me like shit?

>>34572700
The options are:
1. Because you suck
2. Because they're bad people.
3. They aren't you're just too sensitive.

The solutions are:
1. Self improve until you don't suck.
2. Stop caring what they think and get away from them.
3. Take measures to increase your natural testosterone and or get therapy.

>>34572490
18 is considered a thumb sucking child. That’s what everyone on here and irl think.

>>34572781
Why would you want to be with an 18 year old? You can still get a woman who is wife material at 20 or 21, why go for literal high schoolers? And im not saying this as some "youre a pedo" thing but more that a teenager is going to be full of so much complex and annoying bullshit that everything thats been talked about here basically has to be doubled in complexity and problems. They arent the easy boat the internet makes them seem to believe, most of the ones ive met today are flat out evil to diabolical in their behavior

>>34572810
I know 40 year olds that still behave that way. They don’t grow out of it. Anyways I’m only attracted to them, my brain still thinks I’m 16 because I never experienced teen love and I still think teens are attractive. Women become hags after 18 it’s like their body just gets destroyed. Don’t care for alcohol, or “adult things”. Been called a pedophile by many because 18 is a child when 16 is legal in my state. I’ve never been on a date or kissed anyone.

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>>34568779
You don't need a hero to save you.