>>34571426
Just wait til all the jeets get deported and companies are forced to lower the bar and hire actual citizens. At least, until they decide it's cheaper to outsource the job to AI bots.

>>34571433
So 30 years from now, possibly never then?

Get a Masters degree.

>>34571433
well that's never happening, lmao. so never? why would the billionaires deport the cheap labor they imported to replace you? you didn't think this time was different, did you? you aren't that retarded right?

Maybe this is God telling me that college isn't for me and I'll be a McDonald's wagie forever...

How to get an IT job in current year +10
>bust ass off in school
>apply to several hundred technician jobs
>get hired at Dave and Busters as a technician because no other tech job wants a person with no experience
>after half a year apply to several hundred more IT jobs so you can leave after a year
>go through the interview humiliation ritual
>finally get hired as entry level help desk
>profit?
It is really evil how schools lie to you about entry level pay and availability, I appreciate my job but I only get paid around 42k a year.

>>34571426
>is it fucked
yes, but maybe not for super seniors
>How is a guy supposed to get in these fields in 2026 without a masters degree
you are not. But I did hear advice of "act enthuasiastic about AI and talk about how you will apply at the interview" (which you won't get, but it's not a bad idea)
>without a masters degree
no one gives a shit about your masters degree, it wouldn't help you one bit

>>34571426
pimp out your mom OP. Afterall she might have very well had a hoe phase b4 she'd settled down with your beta cuck daddy

>>34571665
You need to go outside, touch grass.
>>34571631
Well that's depressing

>>34571669
I mean, it was the same for finance bros in 2008. The reality is that you CAN break into the industry if you want by doing something like what >>34571603 said. One of the big questions is if it even makes sense, like "just jumping to tech" was the right answer then, but that was a decade ago. And I don't know what the next big field is.

If you want to stay with tech (which, again, might not make sense if you don't at least have an associates already), you need to decide what the fuck you mean by your post. Electrical engineering is so different from the other two fields that I completely missed it when you read OP. There, the way is to get into comms infrastructure, and yes, you do need a masters and your PE cert.

In software, you just need to get your foot in the door, in flyovers, big companies still hire interns or low-paid slaves to write .NET/Java APIs. If you can't do that, you do QA and automation to be adjacent.

These are all just words until you clearly explain your situation and what you want (or you think you want) and find some experts to help you.

The reality is that there are enough architects/leads/IT directors on here or /g/ or /biz/ to where you WILL get good advice if you keep asking for it correctly.

>>34571683
Alright. Understood. My mistake.
What I actually want to be is a technician and I want to avoid the theory and science aspect completely. I'm more of a hands on kind of guy, more of "what is" than "how and why" is if you get what I'm saying.

>>34571712
Nothing to apologize for, it just needs to be narrowed down. If you want to avoid theory and science entirely, you need to find the standard path(s) for being a licensed journeyman electrician.

At the end of the day, you WILL find electrician work, if nothing else, neighborhoods are being built and people are flipping houses, and literally everyone needs wiring to be set up.

tldr, you can't be generic with this, put together a couple of paths to that goal, then ask again on here and /dyi/, but this time with detail. There are also military electrical engineering MOSes if you want to be handheld and/or are entirely broke.

For what it's worth OP, I have ran into the same problem. Still no job.

>>34571730
>licensed journeyman electrician.
Not him but I thought trades were fucked due to boomers refusing to retire/hire and train new workers?

>>34571433
Elon said he will die before letting this happen

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>>34571603
It was never a lie, just a marketing trick. Nursing schools are notorious for manipulating stupid women into their schools with promises. But then you actually do your own research and look at the trendline and realize the truth in the industry. Women who go into nursing are promised, for example, that they could like, TOTALLY get a job anywhere. Never mind that the decent gigs at the good hospitals are full of hundreds of applicants, and they can piuck the tops, and you can work anywhere, including some alaskan village, but you won't make shit. Tech jobs are no different.

>>34571433
And when exactly is that going to happen? The ruling class would never willingly allow that to happen, so unless we all rise up and demand to live in a more regulated, more authoritarian state where the ruling class is regulated by the government to ensure stability, jobs, and cheap housing for the populace, we're maintaining status quo until we begin fighting for diminishing resources on this rock, or we begin colonizing the stars. And you won't revolt, you don't have the power, and neither do our most intelligent members of society. They've been tricked by the ruling elites to follow liberal propaganda. So if we did actually propose nutting the fuck up and kicking out all of the Indians, blacks, and doing something about the welfare cheats and do-nothing drug addicts who think it's Ok to engage in "homeless-by-coice", we'd be cancelled at worst, economically censored, or put in prison.

>>34572273
Ur literally describing capitalism and then ur suggesting a authoritarian government to deal with the effects of capitalism. Ur fucking retarded, nobody is controlling the ship like you think they are that is a fantasy that stabilizes ur world

>>34571426
It is very saturated.
People more capable than me cannot compete for the same starting position that I got 2 years ago.
However, this means that there are way more people studying it right now than they should, meaning teaching is probably the most lucrative than it has ever been.

I'm 34 and have been doing IT for like 5~6 years now. I worked at an AT&T call center as "tech support" which got me hired at an actual company from there. I only make $30/hr though and live in CA so basically I'm poor af. I don't know if I want to specialize in anything so I'm just studying to be full stack dev rn with Odin Project. I just want to work remote or even hybrid and make 100k/yr maaannnnn...

But yeah just apply to MSP's they are always hiring and you can easily get a tier 1 position. It's soul sucking work but will get experience on your resume.

>>34572273
But nurses do make bank. Maybe shit hours and shifts and I would never do it but I've met enough women with daughters who are doing well and traveling thanks to nursing. Its enough money if they can make it and live below their means and it well never be truly obsolete and they can always pivot. Better than any lowtier STEM adjent job like IT imo in the way they can network and specialize and will always be needed

>>34571766
Yes, but also that's literally every industry. Boomers ate the west.

>>34572284
How is it possible to be vehemently anti-capitalist yet also think banking cartels don't control the world? This is a new level of retardation

>>34571504
Fuck no

how i broke into swe without a degree
>#learn2code
>make a complete full stack project, bonus if u can get cash flow positive mrr
>dm startup founder on x w large following, especially if in spaces they mention they would like help
>offer to code for free
>do 10ish hours/week for a couple months
>ask them if they would be a reference, they’ll say yes bc u did free work & its understandable u would need a salary
>put on resume as worked as a swe for this startup for 3-4 years
>now no longer a desperate entry level but a chad intermediate engineer
>apply for jobs on indeed that are government contractors & only hire us citizens
>alternatively if the startup gets funded u may get a salary
>or u can continue x dms for a paying startup job
>or u can work on your own project/startup
>or u can grow ur network & get an in somewhere
>or u can find a small white collar business that’s willing to hire for automation
>or u can just apply to jobs like u would normally but with experience(tm)
not saying college isn’t worth it, esp for smth like ee, but the game isn’t over it’s just changed from uni -> 6 figures -> retirement.
don’t buy into the doomposting it’s rly not that bad. big firms just keep a revolving door to instill fear into their slave h1b hires so they work harder.

>>34573198
if ur too lazy to even do this u could just make a website offering your services, make fake reviews over the last few years and say ur looking for a consistent salary + benefits.
if ur too lazy for even that just say u have a masters degree, potentially risky though.
imo lying is ok as long as u know ur capable of the job ur applying to.

>>34573208
>imo lying is ok as long as u know ur capable of the job ur applying to.
Lying sounds legitimate at this point. Hell if they ask for a degree I'll just use AI to generate me one.
>muh its illegal
And not hiring me means death for me.

>>34573198
>make a complete full stack project, bonus if u can get cash flow positive mrr
what counts as a good enough project because neither my react/Gemini Android app or rust file compression/transmission utility are interesting to anyone

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>>34573657
>not interesting to anyone
if it’s a portfolio project, it doesn’t rly matter.
its purpose is to showcase skillz.
if it works, has a live url & readme ur good.
here’s my personal criteria
0. genuinely useful, or a case can be made for it being the best for its purpose.
1. fully functional, works end to end.
2. edge cases fail gracefully.
3. is secure, won’t have any security embarrassments.
4. data organization is logical & robust.
5. runs from other devices & has a url.
6. code quality is good/readable/maintainable.
no 1000 line files, each file & function should earn its keep, no run on functions, no over nesting, etc…
optionally
7. i like to employ ci/cd and have smoke tests running & visable.
if u have all that, your project is good.
if u want to maximize relevancy for the job market, look at the descriptions of job listings u would be interested in, and cater your project to fit their descriptions the best u can.
for example, if ur interested in rust & data,
>pic related
(not rly the best example this is more mid-senior level, just the first one i found).
if this has requirements that are seen across multiple listings for data-centric rust jobs, i would try to work these into the project.
this would demonstrate familiarity & ability that u are capable of fulfilling the job’s requirements.
this also relates to the tech stack, for example ‘python’ is not enough.
most python jobs that i’m interested in are looking for sql, pytorch, tensorflow, numpy, flask, node.js, nginx, aws…
u should be familiar w the relevant ecosystem.
sry if this is overly verbose i’m just typing what i’m thinking.

>>34573846
each line & function ***
meaning as few lines and as few functions as possible.

>>34573846
do you know anyone that has gotten hired with just the odin project & other free online sources?

I only have an AS although desu it's not official (failed my math class and never repeated)

>>34573857
no one ik personally. great resources for learning but not rly relevant for ur resume.
an associates definitely helps more bc it’s a real credential.
i would frame it on ur resume as a bachelors in progress w 2 years completed/expected graduation date 2028.

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>>34572284
Good job you just described my political compass to a T. You want a cookie? No shit I want to replace the modern united states government with a more authoritarian regime. The current "democratic" one completely fails at serving the people, especially the current generation of young people, who are completely fucked, or "cooked" as they might say. No point in going to college, no ability to get a decent wage, AI taking over everything, foreigners bleeding into every industry where skilled natives once were. Yeah, if I were Gen Z or Alpha, I'd check out too. mNot only that, but people, society, needs a fucking parent above that of the family, and that is the state. This libertarian excuse for a society has created multiple generations of entitled, retarded, selfish cunts who couldn't give a fuck about their fellow man. I mean shit dude, we still debate if it's a good idea to give kids free school lunches. The fuck is that shit?

>>34572368
Yeah, times are good now and the median nurse makes 94.6K a year, but wait till we have a flood of boomers and the most unhealthy Gen X. Combine that with increasingly incompetent, cheapskate hospital administration, and, like any other field, an influx of foreigners driving the supply up and the median wage down. Your (ostensibly) white, Latino, and occasionally black nurse is increasingly getting replaced by some Filipina, an Indian woman, or African women, as was the case of the entire night shift the last time I had a stint in a hospital. They were the worst to interact with.

>>34573846
What if I used AI to make it?

I graduated with a CS degree in late 2022 from some no name school. Was too scared to try technical interviews, so I just never applied. Began learning iOS development via CS193p. Gave up because there are no entry-level iOS jobs. Now I deliver pizzas and solder. Had I graduated a year or two earlier when they hired anyone with a pulse and no leetcode crap, I’d be a software developer now.

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>>34571426
For me it was
>Use family connections to get an internship as a software engineer at a logistics company. Pay: $10/hr
>Transition to full time after graduating with a math degree. Pay: $70,000/yr
>Work there for 3 years as a software engineer. Eventually get contacted by a recruiter and jump ship for a fully remote role. Pay: $90,000/yr
>Earn a few promotions over the course of five years. Pay: $120,000/yr
I mostly slack off and play vidya, but I manage to get my assigned task done. I wrote a little script to keep my activity monitors green.

>>34574618
fine as long as you can read it & understand what it’s doing & all bases are covered.
>>34574700
checked
>too scared for technical interviews
i understand this.
i had a interview in c++ when i do python, i told the interviewer that, and the interview was essentially bullying me for not knowing c++ concepts