I feel like humans are biological animals, nothing matters we are just monkeys roaming around. I do not think that i am suicidal but it feels like i can take my life any day and it wouldnt make a difference. I totally lost touch with reality as i can not tell which is real and which is delusion, i feel so weak and incapable but no one sees it, There is no afterlife no god nothing. I am a lonely animal sournded by other animals. Is there a way to escape this mindset? I think a little bit of serotonin can save me. I wish heaven was real. I wish i didnt view everything through animalistic lens. I wish god was fair. I wish i could recover.
After thinking a bit, i think ill dissociate and live my life on autopilot, i do not want to kill myself, i wanna live, even biologically
>>34576712The fact that biological beings are all we are is precisely what gives life meaning. If living on Earth was just a brief dress-rehearsal for an eternal non-corporeal life elsewhere, then nothing that happens on Earth would matter in the slightest. But because this is all there is, our life on Earth is ALL that matters, and it's essential to squeeze meaning and joy out of every second of your life: once that second has passed, you'll never get it back.
>>34576712Ibn al-Qayyim (Allahs mercy be upon him) said: Man consists of the mind of an angel, the lust of an animal, and the fancy of Satan. One of them will prevail.If you could overcome your fancy and lust, you will be in a rank that is higher than an angel.And if your fancy and lust beat you, you will be in a rank that is less than a dog.”
>>34577177The thing is..how to adopt that worldview? How to start living like that? I feel like we are animals at our core and nothing can change that, but i am willing to cope, i have nothing else>>34577186This has nothing to do with my issue, its just gibirish for muslims
>>34576712>Is there a way to escape this mindset?Studying philosophy would set you on a better path. It would help you realize that your current views are actually irrational and baseless, and that a truly logical worldview necessarily includes belief in teleological purpose.
>>34576712>I totally lost touch with reality as i can not tell which is real and which is delusionNot sure what you mean by this. It seems like you don't have many delusions to me.Your world view is correct. Reading your post I considered suggesting looking into Buddhism but from my experience it is a better spiritual practice but still has a lot of pointless dogma to it. At the end of the day all religions boil down to dogma some cult wrote to control people. At best they have little stories and life lessons and that's about it. Everything else is fairy tales.The best spiritual text I've read is the Book of Ecclesiastes. And even with that I am selective as some of it falls into nonsense about God. But really that text is a bunch of flowery language for "it is hopeless, life has no meaning." Because that is the truth.I have no advice for you. I just think you should know the truth so you can act intelligently. You bring up delusions and that's how most people live their entire lives. Bathing in delusion.
>>34577391Nothing about his worldview is correct, and Buddhism in particular refutes everything he said with purely logical arguments, not with dogma or doctrine. Ecclesiastes also never says that life is meaningless or hopeless, either, because that's an insane position that nobody holds with sincerity. It seems like you're warping everything that you read to agree with your presuppositions, rather than reading in good faith and charity.
>>34577327>I feel like we are animals at our coreYes, and every second of our life is precious and meaningful *because* that is true, not in spite of it. You don't need to change that belief to find meaning. The idea that an existence can't have meaning unless that meaning is conferred on it by an outside agency is absurd: if that were true then religious people would have to admit that God's existence is meaningless because there isn't a greater God to confer meaning on it!So you don't need to change your mindset, you just need to accept the actual implications of what you believe. Think, for example, about all the things you could have been doing instead of reading this post. You could have been exploring Machu Picchu, or diving on a coral reef, or taking lessons in falconry. You could have been working on some job that benefits other people. You could have been having the GFE with an attractive escort, or even actually going on a date with a normal woman. You could have been eating in a Michelin-starred restaurant, or visiting a rose garden and smelling each flower, or baking your own bread, or seeing a cool new movie in IMAX, or driving at 150mph on an Autobahn in Germany, or visiting a temple, a palace, a museum, or an art gallery. Instead, you're stuck inside doom scrolling on 4chan. Every second you have spent reading this post is a second you will never, ever get back. Ask yourself seriously: how many more of the limited number of seconds that you have in your life do you really want to waste on this shit when you could be doing something valuable instead?
>>34576712>I feel like humans are biological animals, nothing matters we are just monkeys roaming aroundI don't have this world view, and if I did, I would think about transcending humanity.
>>34577385How to start?>>34577462That sounds like good advice
>>34577568The Discourses of Epictetus would probably be the best place to start. There are also logic textbooks and introductions to critical thinking that are extremely helpful, but in order for those to really mean something to you, I think it's important to start someplace that lets you put the lessons into practice immediately.In general it might also help to keep in mind that as long as truth exists, then it must also necessarily be the case that wisdom exists, since to be wise means nothing other than to love to be led by truth. And if wisdom exists, then it also must be the case that man is more than an animal, because an animal cannot be wise, and animals never seek out truth for truth's sake. Some people will try to overturn that conclusion by insisting that truth doesn't exist at all, but what they're always too shortsighted to realize is that "truth doesn't exist" is in itself a claim on truth, making it a self refuting argument that can't hold water.
None of the answers helped
>>34576712God exists and he has power. But he does not love you, at all. Or me. Or anybody, for that matter.
And God is fair. In the history of humanity, has there been one human who has been free of sin and who has not been put to death? Only one? God is fair, but you do not accept the punishment.
>>34579322There's no overnight solution. You have to genuinely want to change and put effort towards it. It takes time and dedication, but I can promise you that it's worth it.
>>34579369If god was real i would have believed in him to free my soul, but he isnt. He lied>>34579372This doesnt really help. Put effort with what? Towards what?
>>34579430God exists in the heads of man, evidently. And he has power over their heads. This perspective is more mature. You do not choose to believe. There is no choice. You believe, because you've always been destined to. By grace. Paul explained it in Romans 8. From time to time, God lies, yes. The book is evidence of it.
>>34579430Effort towards learning. You would have to be insanely conceited to think that you've already exhausted all of the possibilities and already learned everything you'd need to know in order to answer these burning questions that you're having. Especially when every single intelligent man in history disagreed with your current views. The first step towards wisdom is being able to admit that you don't know anything. Have you ever asked yourself why, for example, men like Plato and Aristotle were absolutely confident in the existence of a Supreme Being?
>>34579500Why?
>>34576712>I feel like humans are biological animals, nothing matters we are just monkeys roaming around.Of course this is true, but why is it depressing? It means you are free to do whatever you wish and your mistakes don't matter.
>>34579430You should consider getting involved in something greater than yourself. I find fulfilment and purpose in organizing for socialism and mutual aid. DSA, Food Not Bombs, et cetera. But depending on your own local context anything could work. A club, a sport, anything. Of course this is pointless, but it is also enjoyable to us as social animals, so I've found it to be worthwhile.
>>34580864> organizing for socialism> food not bombs> DSA "data structures and algorithms?"> mutual aidSorry english is not my first language but what are those?
>>34580939DSA is Democratic Socialist of America. Food Not Bombs is an anarchist group that distributes free meals and offers political education. Mutual aid is basically the notion that we all thrive when we help those in our community who need it with no preconditions.The larger point is really just that you should try helping others, not because it's going to change the world or because it's morally right, but just because it feels good. Either that, or get involved in something competitive. Football, chess, doesn't matter what it is as long as it happens regularly and involves other people.
>>34581377Damn you are the least retarded person on this thread. How to start?
>>34581391Well, I'm not sure where you're located, but as an example my city hosts an amateur football league so I just showed up to practice with cleats. I guess I'd start googling (in your native language) what kind of group you're interested in to get an idea of what's out there and close by.
>>34581413Thats great advice, thanks anon
>>34580833Because they were logicians who spent their lives on those kinds of questions, and ultimately realized that since reason and the whole of existence are based on cause and effect, then there must necessarily be a first cause that is itself uncaused. Anything otherwise would be an infinite regression, and infinite regressions can't subsist on themselves. If you want a more positive outlook on life, all you really need to do is follow reason. Optimism and logic go hand in hand, because the truth is always good. You're in a painful position right now because you mistakenly believe that reason leads to pessimism, so if you can disabuse yourself of that belief you'll start to feel better and find reasons to motivate yourself again.
>>34582032Wtf when did we start giving actual good advice here? Thank youuu
>>34576712Everyone in this thread is engaging with your question on a philosophical level, assuming your view of humanity is making you depressed. But I'd like to press you on your biophysical well-being instead.I've known many atheist/agonistic absurdists, and from my experience whether they take the view "life has no meaning and that's horrible" or "life has no meaning and that's great" is entirely decided by their physical health. The ones who think lifes absurdity is horrible have poor health, and the ones who think it is great have good health. If someone in poor health gets better health, their view flips, and vice versa.So, OP: Do you feel generally physically healthy right now? Do you get eight hours of sleep, and sleep at the same time every night? Do you get ten minutes of sunlight every day? Are your nutritional needs met? Do you get thirty minutes of high intensity cardiovascular exercise every day? Do you have a social circle, or any friends at all? Is your weight normal?If you answered "no" or "I'm not sure" to any of those questions, I would prioritize addressing them over trying to change your mindset or pondering philosophy. They will help you way more.
>>34583894So enlighting!!.. i work out but its like once a weak, i used to be a bodybuilder but not anymore. Also my social life has been lacking lazy lately, maybe i need to focus more on my well-being then ascend to higher questions later
