>>34590253
Your mistake is in assuming that what you think of as evil is also perceived the same way by the person doing it. No one perceives himself as evil; literally, no one. People who do evil things construct their own moral framework within which what they are doing is justified.

>>34590280
I understand that, and I don't assume people have an identical framwork to mine. I'm talking about the people who perceive the same actions as wrong when done by others, shame you when you bring up their wrongdoings, know they've done wrong things, hide them because they know it's wrong, gaslight you because they know it's wrong and refuse to elaborate when you ask them why they did it. they're a tiny percentage but they're attracted to me like moths to a flame.

>>34590280
>People who do evil things construct their own moral framework within which what they are doing is justified.

gay faggot retards who think it's their job to punish or otherwise teach someone a lesson or serve the "natural order" (psychopaths who believe someone who can be tricked deserves to be tricked)

most people being "taught a lesson" have no idea what is going on and receive it as unjust malice

most people who think someone needs to be "taught a lesson" have imperfect scope and are probably wrong about the mandate of heaven

it's just all a stupid fucking mess, sentinel is the worst archetype of human to everyone except other sentinels

imagine telling a grown man to fall in line
imagine taking it upon yourself to teach a grown man a lesson

fucking stupid, why can't you be like water?

t. rogue who has been targeted by sentinels his entire life

>>34590342
i understand someone has to be the hall monitor and someone has to be the police but i literally didn't do anything bad stop LOOKING at me

>”I am autistic”

We know anon. You are heard. You are valid

>>34590253
It might help simplify things to consider that all action stems from love, or affection. Someone who behaves in an immoral way does so because he loves things such as himself, his pleasures, his wealth, his pride or his reputation more than he loves anything else. Even when somebody such as this appears to behave morally outwardly, what he's really doing is using that behavior as a means of approaching his true love. On the other hand, someone who behaves in a moral way does so because he loves truth, loves justice, loves mercy and loves charity for their own sake. He sees them as ends in themselves, not as a means to a separate end. Someone who's truly good sees goodness as an eternal principle outside of and above himself viewing things objectively, whereas somebody who's evil ranks the aim of his own personal desire as the only and highest good, and sees nothing beyond his own subjectivity. It's essentially the difference between being selfless and selfish, but you could also call it the difference between wisdom and ignorance and even accurately say that all evil stems from ignorance, because if an evil man were to learn that goodness truly exists, and knew of the value that goodness could bring into his life, then he would reform himself and cease to be evil. So to that end, if you truly want to fight back against evil, then the best thing you can do is share your knowledge of goodness, both through example and explanation. In this way you'll be fighting back against the evil itself, and not merely against the unfortunate fools who are possessed by evil and trapped in ignorance.

>>34590253
Way I see it, something evil is something done for personal benefit with a complete disregard for any harm that it may cause upon others.
The person takes, kills, consumes, and generally does what they want without any care for others.
That being said, the other anon was right when he said that most people don't think of themselves as evil. They try to justify their actions as plausible in their own scenarios. Although the justification may sometimes explain the reason, it often doesn't justify the deed.

>>34590300
In that case, the person is being hypocritical, which is, unfortunately, common.
What usually happens is that the person knows that the action is morally wrong or illegal, and criticizes when others do it, since they want to pass the image of being righteous, morally superior and law-abiding people, but like it was said before, they often try to justify it when it's them doing it ('its just this one time', 'it wont make a difference for them', 'it was just a joke', 'it will be of more use to me than to them', etc.)

Of course, everyone makes mistakes from time to time, but to me, the difference between a mistake as something actually evil are:
>intent to cause harm upon others
>lack of regret
>lack of empathy
>showing no desire to change
>failing to admit fault despite knowing about the harm caused and the contradiction between what they say and do.

>>34590342
your phrasing made me understand that what they're doing is essentially playing god... and they don't believe in talking like humans and they don't believe others have the will to set things right, and the only way they comprehend is animalistic domination and torture...

>>34590300
One of the aspects of the alternative moral systems that people like this construct for themselves is that not everyone within it has identical moral status. For example, suppose I'm larger than you, stronger than you, and a better fighter than you. I might conclude that the time and effort I have spent on becoming stronger and more skilled than you makes me a better and more deserving person than you; perhaps I might also decide that I'm genetically superior to you, and that I am the future of a better-evolved humanity and you are not. Within this framework, I am entitled to more than you; so, if I beat you up and take something from you, that is simply taking from you something that you do not deserve to have, and giving it to me, because I am entitled to it. By contrast, if you try to steal from me, that's quite different: that's an inferior daring to steal from a superior. So, while I am justified in taking what I deserve, you need to be punished for your presumption.

The kind of person you're talking about similarly believes that they deserve more than you, that they are entitled to behave in a particular way and you are not, because of some fundamental difference between the two of you. They don't hide what they've done out of shame, they hide it as means of manipulating you; in their mental world, they are a wolf and you are a sheep, and the only reason you even exist is so they can get what they're entitled to out of you, and any means necessary are justified in doing this.

>>34590360
thank you, that's a good way to put it. I still don't understand why they do things that don't benefit them at all, sometimes bring harm to them. do they love harming others for their own pleasure? I understand utilitarian evil, I struggle to understand intentional evil that has no purpose whatsoever.

>>34590373
that's the same understanding children have of the world, I understand that, I used to be a child, what I don't understand is the needless cruelty and malice. let's say you've done nothing and someone just uses their limited time in this world and puts their mind into destroying your life, for no reason at all, they can use it to improve their situation, to gain things, what purpose does cruelty serve? some people say it's to make themselves feel better but I don't buy it, they intentionally go for things that are weak, they have the same mentality as people who torture cats and small animals. why would anyone do that? if they're just trying to get something, steal something, use something I can understand their reasons, but if they want nothing and only seek to destroy others while gaining nothing from it, why?

>>34590253
the definition of evil changes with every perspective.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/HwFFGtGh0FxR

>>34590380
It makes sense that evil would inevitably step on its own toes, as long as you look at it in a more metaphysical light. I'll try my best to explain. Truth and goodness are synonyms for the same principle, and impartial reasoning is the only means by which truth can be approached. This means that falsity and evil are also the same privation, and passionate illogic is the only means by which someone arrives at evil. Behavior without reason and order behind it is unproductive and self defeating, and it never bears fruit for the same reason why a feverishly smashing together bits of wood will never produce a birdhouse. In order to make a birdhouse, you need measurements, reasoning and planning, all of which must obey truth. The refusal to obey truth means you won't ever get your birdhouse, you'll just get a pile of refuse. This is the reasoning behind the old adage that evil is incapable of creating anything, that it can only corrupt and destroy. Goodness and order produce and thrive, evil and disorder stagnate and ruin. Unfortunately it's also in evil's nature to obscure and darken, so people who are in this state don't even realize it until after the veil is lifted.

>>34590394
Anon, you're not listening to me. No ever does anything for "no reason", and cruelty and malice is never needless in the mind of the person who does it. There may be no reason THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND, but from their perspective, there is always an obvious and excellent reason.

For example, they might feel that the simple fact that your life *can* be destroyed means that you are someone who deserves to have it destroyed. This is the same kind of mentality that lets a burglar conclude that if he is able to get into a house because someone left an upstairs window open, that the person who is to blame for the crime being committed is the person who left the window open, and not the thief. You have made yourself vulnerable, and what happens is your fault.

Or perhaps they feel that they are superior and deserving of worship, and because you don't worship them enough, you deserve to be punished for your blasphemy.

Or perhaps they enjoy demonstrating how much cleverer they are than other people, and decide to destroy your life simply as a way of proving that they are smarter than you.

Or perhaps they have no emotional control, so some very minor slight on your part is enough to tip them over into full-blown vengeful rage and, in their mind, you deserve everything you get.

Maybe it just makes them horny.

But there is always a purpose. It's simply one that you don't understand.

>>34590416
that's essentially what Augustine said about evil, that evil is the absence of God (good, truth). the spiritual and philosophical explanations are clear-cut. the human ones are... nonexsitant, it seems. as these people are very opaque. how can people behave like that? some of them seem very aware of what they're doing... some of them even call themselves villains, "jokingly"...

>>34590445
Because since anyone possessed by evil is in a state of confusion and falsity, they invert the truth and make self-will out to be the greatest good and selflessness out to be nothing more than foolishness. So they revel in their evil, thinking they've apprehended what's best in life. Of course the reality is that they've apprehended what's worst in life, and that selfishness is foolishness and selflessness is actually the greatest good and highest truth, but since they're captivated by evil, and it's in evil's nature to be wrong about everything, this inversion shouldn't come across as anything too surprising. It's sort of like they're living in a mirror world, or walking around upside down spiritually speaking.

>>34590444
I get what you're saying and while it's true in most cases, I don't think you understand the level of depravity I'm speaking of. I understand these types you're describing. there seem however to be people who do malicious things which they don't benefit from, actively suffer from, have no justification for and they seem to understand they're doing things that are completely wrong. it's not that their reasons are opaque and blurry, they seem to reject every foundational human principle for the sake of it and have no recognizable moral framework whatsoever. most evil is somewhat understandable, there's a (seemingly) small percentage of people however who are very different.

>>34590464
but sometimes it doesn't even serve the self, they're truly practicing the inversion of all that is good for the pure sake of it. perhaps selfless evil is a thing as well.

>>34590506
NTA but also some people just enjoy treating others like shit. Bullying is just fun to some people.

>>34590506
Evil never serves the self, not in a true sense. That's what I mean by evil being inherently self-defeating. Evil people are always in a state of want, or desire, or unrest, which is the same as misery. Only good people experience the joy and contentment that comes with putting desire and self-will to rest and learning how to love selflessness itself. Another way of looking at it may be that since good is truth and wisdom, goodness can evaluate itself as well as evil. Evil, on the other hand, cannot evaluate itself nor goodness. It's in a state of total confusion, doesn't know what it wants, doesn't know why it wants it, and constantly contradicts itself and thwarts its own aims. That's its necessary and natural condition, so it should be expected from all kinds of evil. The evil that seems to "work", like a clever murderer who never gets caught, only seems to work on the outside. On the inside, that murderer is looking over his shoulder everywhere he goes to ensure that he stays out of prison. It's a state of perpetual unrest and uneasiness, which is contrary to whatever happiness or peace he thought he would have won by murdering somebody.

>>34590582
was the pharaoh in exodus evil? (obviously yes, blasphemous)

but he was the (presumptive) arbiter of right and wrong in his kingdom and was not mixed up in what he wanted, in fact his clarity and the hardness of his heart was crystalized by his certainty in his self-righteousness

>>34590582
that makes sense. thank you.

>>34590253
>unjust malice
what are some examples
>nature of evil as expressed through humans
nesciance/ignorance simple stupidity
motivations which are lesser than human through the 'triune brain' appeasing the lower motivations and drives
in some cases parasites, nutrient deficiency
>“Fights between individuals, as well as governments and nations, invariably result from misunderstandings in the broadest interpretation of this term. Misunderstandings are always caused by the inability of appreciating one another's point of view. This again is due to the ignorance of those concerned, not so much in their own, as in their mutual fields. The peril of a clash is aggravated by a more or less predominant sense of combativeness, posed by every human being. To resist this inherent fighting tendency the best way is to dispel ignorance of the doings of others by a systematic spread of general knowledge. With this object in view, it is most important to aid exchange of thought and intercourse.”
― Nikola Tesla

>>34590506
>I get what you're saying
I'm not sure you do. There are, for example, people who murder just because spilling blood is a sexual turn-on. (Depraved enough for you?) In their mind, this is justified, because they don't regard the victims as being human in the same way they are, and fulfilling their sexual needs is more important than someone else's life.

No matter how depraved an act is, to the person who is doing it, at the moment they do it, it is acceptable.

People who do truly awful things generally don't regard what they do as wrong. They understand that other people regard it as wrong; they understand the need to conceal it; but they don't even really understand the concept of "wrong" when it comes to their own behaviour.

An extreme category of people who sometimes behave like this are psychopaths. They are best understood as lacking something: they don't have the ability to feel compassion, empathy or affection. There's a psychopath who posts on /adv who describes his whole life as sitting in a waiting room filled with plastic dummies. Other human beings mean no more to him than inanimate lumps of plastic. It turns out, if you talk to the dummies and say the right things, they are inexplicably willing to do things for you, and this is sometimes useful. But plastic dummies are all they will ever be. To someone like that, "right" and "wrong" are just words other people attach to certain actions; they're not concepts that are useful. If you ask someone like that a question, it won't even occur to him to think about what the true answer is, he will think only about what it is convenient to him to have the person he is talking to believe at that moment. A person like this feels no guilt because in their mind people aren't people, they are simply objects. If people are objects, why feel bad about hurting them?

Most people aren't psychopaths; but everyone has some way of shielding themselves from the moral implications of what they do.

>>34590253
It's not about evil. It's just being a low income, low iq hick. We have those everywhere.

>>34591141
>Most people aren't psychopaths; but everyone has some way of shielding themselves from the moral implications of what they do.

most psychopaths aren't even psychopaths (to (You))

in fact, depending on (You), morally defensible and upright people can take on the diadem of psychopathy through simple moral incongruence (deciding (You) are evil)

this has tragically turned many away from God due to people of religious authority donning this baleful mask in ways and reasons depicted above in this thread

if you have customers or clients en masse, about 4% of them are psychopaths, and of those 4%, you probably won't have any problems with them unless you make a problem, in which case the mask goes on (or off, whichever you prefer) and in comes "there is no wrong i can do to an enemy"