Don't be obtuse, that argument can be made on everything from making friends to hanging out to sex to marriage. Your 3 options are:
>learn to read and give non-verbal cues
>learn to express your desires in a way that isn't embarrassing or annoying to people
>accept that you're filtered

>>34590462
only option 2 is possible. how do I communicate that I want a kiss without sounding like a incel?

>>34590468
Sorry, if you can’t do option 1 then you can’t skip straight to option 2 either. I’ve kissed girls both salon and without asking, and I knew which to do because I was able to read the situation. But it’s never “bad” to double check or make sure a woman feels safe. Sure, it may be a little speed bump in the chemistry but who cares, you’re now macking on her. If she gets the ick from that then she’s not for you.

>>34590440
>kissing after asking gives them the ick
It doesn't. I've kissed 50 or 60 different women in my life; I always asked; it was never a problem.

>>34590468
Try "I want to kiss you" instead of "eckschuse me m'lady, can we kies now" and try to do it on a girl's couch with your arm around her and your face close to hers instead of tugging at somebody's sleeve in Walmart

>>34590488
maybe it's because all the girls I know are into anime, and they expect to be treated like husbando treats his self insertion crush

>>34590498
ok, how I ask if it's ok to ask before asking?

>>34590440
Stare at her lips first to signal intent. Then slowly move in for the kiss. If she doesn't kiss back then abort mission and skip town.

>>34590440
>>34590468
>how do I communicate that I want a kiss without sounding like a incel?
Holy shit, this is dead ass fucking simple: move slowly. That's fucking it.

You wait until you're fairly certain that she'd like to be kissed. Maybe at the end of a really good first date. Maybe at an intimate moment. I dunno.
Then you move in for the kiss slowly. You can even still be talking. Just get closer and closer to her until you're about to kiss her, then kiss her.
If she turns or pulls back and doesn't immediately fall over herself apologizing for being shy or whatever, then oh well. She's probably not that into you. Or maybe you guessed wrong and it was too early. It might be redeemable but probably not.
If you move in extremely slow, she can back away before it's clear you're going in for a kiss.
Seduction is slow. You don't scoop in for a first kiss in most cases.

But that's it: Move in for the kiss very, very slowly.

>>34590756
if she doesn't want the kiss, the damage is done even if you don't kiss

>>34590960
no? I can wait until she kisses me

>>34590960
>>34591174
sorry, I misunderstood.

I don't want her to hate me bro, a friend is enough

>>34590440
Best move is to write everything you want to do and expect from the experience. Set a date with them in a public space that has witnesses. Ask them to read and sign the contract. Don't forget to have it verified by a notary.

>>34590960
>if she doesn't want the kiss, the damage is done even if you don't kiss
If she doesn't want the kiss, then she probably wasn't going to want the kiss so nothing is lost.
You wait until she seems comfortable being intimate.

If she thinks it's unforgivable that you moved your face near hers, what precisely has been damaged? She obviously isn't worth your time.

Again, this is dead simple.


>inb4: "but no! It's impossible!"
Choose to pretend it is an impossible riddle if you want to.

>>34591176
>a friend is enough
Don't try to kiss people you want to stay friends with. Yeah.

>>34590440
I've kissed before asking without problems and I have been rejected the kiss a couple of times
as long as you don't throw a tantrum or make it awkward after she says no, she takes it as a compliment
unless it's your mom or someone you approached for years with the idea of only being friends
I would have no problems in a friend coming to me but for some reason for girls that's a big no no and a high treason.
but if you were seeing her making it clear you're attracted to her from the start the kiss shouldn't be a problem, what you do afterwards if she rejects it is the problem

>>34591410
>what you do afterwards if she rejects it is the problem
what do you do?