I know a korean guy in California who is basically in this situation, what he does is be redpilled, hold frame, act like a chad, dress like a chad, and when it comes to getting laid he just goes to escorts.

>>34605701
Kek, poor dude, gotta be dropping thousands per month just to get laid.
>>34605460
Did you try getting fit? That could improve your looks a bit and get you 1-2 points upwards. But yes, there's no possibilities if you're ugly via dating apps. Also depends on the market. Say if you're in the Philippines you'll get more pussy than the western countries. But that's geo arbitrage for you.

You are clearly doing something wrong and not telling us something.

>>34605758
>Kek, poor dude, gotta be dropping thousands per month just to get laid.
Going to prostitutes is based though. What the fuck is wrong with blue boards kek, this is basically facebook.

Normal looking men can pretend all they want, they can't get laid. They go through humiliation rituals all the time and get rejected or ignored most of the time. Men who go to escorts get laid without a humiliation ritual if they're single.

>>34605811
>must be your pics! and bio! and aura and rizz!
All normal looking men struggle on dating apps you ijmbecile.

>>34605858
The difference is I get lay without paying for (professional) sex, so I feel sorry for whoever needs to drop 1-5k per month for whores. When I can get sex for 50 bucks max by buying some drinks for a 1st date and then cooking at home on the 2nd date.
So different skill sets

>>34605870
Yeah, different skill sets, I guess! Wow man, you're so cool. You're well adjusted, you see? And you have aura!

Is that what you wanted to hear you fucking normie?

You know perfectly well, PERFECTLY WELL, even if you try to play dumb and deny it like the normie you are, that you either have a very pretty face (in which case you shouldn't be lecturing anyone who doesn't get things handed to him), or you go through multiple humiliation rituals for each time that this works out without problems. And you do that because you've been told going to prostitutes is "le bad".

1-5k is vague as fuck. You don't even know how much prostitutes cost. 1k is totally reasonable, 5k can become a problem, but no one spends that much unless they're sex addicted and only go to high end escorts. Even if you can't afford it, do you realize how much more money you could make if you didn't spend time and energy into this cool skill set, anyway?

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>>34605895
Kek, don't get trigger ugly normgroid. Yes, I'm attractive that's why I don't struggle getting whores.
Just matched with this 24 yo fine pussy. Wish me luck, maybe i get ghosted but that's part of the game you know

>>34605870
Btw I'm not saying anything about getting a gf. I am talking about hookups.

It is a mathematical inevitability that hookups are a humiliation ritual, because, while each guy can only have one gf (women eventually notice when they're in a situationship aka used and dumped), and relationships are also more in demand by women.

However, if you're looking for a hookup as a normal looking man, you're literally making yourself a low value dalit clown. You're setting yourself up to compete with model looking chads and be an insignificant locust to women. Do you not understand that sometimes paying is better?

>>34605905
That's a stacy, if she is interested in you, you are a confirmed chad, don't talk to me like that when you have no idea what a hard life is remotely like.

>>34605905
>Wish me luck, maybe i get ghosted but that's part of the game you know
>maybe
it is guaranteed unless chad btw

and the fact that you're already thinking about maybe getting ghosted even while bragging shows im right about this shit not being worth it

>>34605906
Yeah I get it, sometimes going on these dates is a waste of time you get excited about nothing and then you'll get ghosted even if you think it's going well.
>>34605911
Yeah well she has literally 1000s of dudes to choose from and probably better looking than myself. I think I'm an 8.5 could get to 9+ if I get back fit again but recovering from a shoulder injury atm.
And I'm sorry I do get it. I was shy as a kid so i didn't get pussy until later in life.
>>34605919
It's a maybe, I'm a chad lite so the chick can literally never answer back to me. Plus she's a zoomers so they virtually go for whatever she's more attractive next

>>34605952
>I get it
>I'm an 8.5
no you dont

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>>34605957
I understand bro. But then again (even if dating apps will get you nowhere) you need to be positive and still try to do your own lifting, improve your health, body and mind. And you could get a mid chick if that what you want, else it's the whores, but i don't think that's a cheap vice to get into

>>34605858
>All normal looking men struggle on dating apps you ijmbecile.
That is simply false. Why do you post lies on the internet?

>>34605970
Why do you keep posting your incel demoralization shit? This board is for people who want advice. You just want to spread lies to try to turn people gay.

>>34605987
>Why do you keep posting your incel demoralization shit?

> I understand bro. But then again (even if dating apps will get you nowhere) you need to be positive and still try to do your own lifting, improve your health, body and mind. And you could get a mid chick if that what you want.

That's a positive message nigga.
You can uplift yourself and improve and obviously you won't be able as a man to get higher tier pussy (without providing status/resources) but you can still get your looksmatch by already passing the avg dude out there that does nothing to improve. And taking action for yourself.
I'm not saying go out and cold approach but you can do the mutual friends/hobby meme and meet someone organically like that, maybe even college if you have the age for it.
There's possibilities still out there.

>>34606003
Why do you post incel meme images?

>>34606057
Hypergamy on dating apps is real 6 and below men are usually undesirables (unless you want to get with obese land whales and trannies, which I assume you wouldn't) but you can still go for organic opportunities. online game, not so much (and it will test your mental endurance for sure)

>>34606069
You're talking out of your ass. Parroting retarded incel cope.

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>>34606107
Kek, but it is you that get 0 matches in dating apps, how am I wrong? Or do you like banging those trannies/landwhales?

Here is another meme you dislike so much

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If I manage to get a first date with her, I'll self certify as a Chad.
Also will have to dump my current gf, sorry bois hypergamy is real

>>34605460
I was in your situation, minus the Tinder etc. which had not been invented. I survived.

Not everyone can have a partner. That's the hard truth. You'll have to survive as best you can.

>>34606177
Very grammatical.

>>34605460
describe your looks

>>34605460
really ? i posted some photos of myself and i get likes here and there. and im a literal bum. i use plenty of fish tho. you have to impress the female gaze not the male gaze (imagine the type of guy you want your daughter to date and take pics like that). also if you have any numbers on your profile (ex. height, weight, etc.) unless its a setting you can set remove those from your bio. there is no point in adding those. you need to show your character (are you funny, nice, strong, etc...?)

>>34605460
>I must chase ran through prostitutes, pay them for expensive dinners, waste my time trying to simp, all like a pathetic cuck only to get ghosted later or get breadcrumb pussy
lel. Will the humiliation ritual ever stop?

>>34606177
why won't these fucking whores ever talk to me? this is below replacement level garbage. how can you read this and not actively despise the person reading it

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>>34605460
Recently divorced. First time on Hinge, also trying CMB. I wish I had divorced 4 years ago this is insane. Im an not even that tall im 5 '9 and Asian basically. At first I wasnt sure if these were real but they are all multiple messages deep now.

>>34610861
All I can say is talk like a dude who has testosterone. Dont validate dont, dont chase, dont invest more than she does. Thats what works for me. Also when they neg or test you just just gotta flip the angle that proves you dont give a fuck. You have to show then through your convo that no woman can make you feel panic are lower than them. Also take your time crafting your response. Time never hurts you if you dont over invest. You dont have to message back right away. Its also easier if you just actually know this about yourself. You will have to meet them eventually so you need yoir shit together. Good job, car, your own place etc.

>>34606177
You moved to the meetup before she'd earned it.
Look at the sequence:

You: compliment.
You: find common ground.
You: suggest meeting.
Her: nothing yet.

That's the issue.
You're investing based on what you hope happens, not on what she's actually given you.
She hasn't qualified herself. She hasn't shown she's funny. She hasn't shown she's interested beyond matching. She hasn't done anything yet.
Meanwhile you've already started imagining meeting up.
The better play would have been to make the observation about working at the same company and then let her do some work.
If she's interested, she'll engage.
If she engages, then you build rapport.
If rapport develops, then you suggest meeting.
You're trying to harvest fruit before the tree exists.
The irony is that she actually responded positively afterward. That's when the conversation should have started.
Instead of trying to get the date immediately, the move is:
Interest first.
Investment second.
Escalation third.
You skipped straight to escalation.

>>34610989
I always rush for dates since the bitches get literally hijacked by chad every single time. So no point in making fluff talk when we both know the deal. She said yes for meeting on Thursday i asked for her digits (she told me she had a deadline thesis today) so last communication was yesterday. I'm still waiting on her number though. She might ghost after all. But I'll update if I hear back eod. Zoomers are very flaky regardless, they just go for the lightest bright every single time

>>34610989
And i agree on the communication part, but you're thinking rationally when this girl literally has other 100s of dms after mine. You need to get them asap out of the apps, else you stand virtually no chance

>>34611008
Im recently back in the game so I dont really know how zoomers move. Shits def different. You got a date so I wouldnt auto assume she gonna ghost. Good luck bro hope you crack.

>>34611012
I agree, but rushing it will often kill the momentum. It is different with zoomers I agree because thats who the top tier Chads are targeting so you are going after the most competitive market. I dont know how the zoomer shit goes its different than what Im dealing with. Zoomers are straight up whores now its never been like this. All they want is short term shit so you probably right.

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>>34611030
Let's hope for bro, gonna be waiting to see if the ho writes back, but i literally give it low odds... But hey maybe she's busy after all kek.
>>34611038
Yes, zoomers are insane. Even we another one from tinder that was vibing, i got her number and she ghosted then, i followed up with another message 24 hours later and nothing. Literally weird people and women.
29 yo used whores aren't even better, look at the effort of this one.
Going back to the guys above, this is definitely an humiliation ritual, and again, some girls are only on apps for validation they don't plan on meeting up with you unless you're 10/10 chad thundercock and then all rules are out.
>Fucking interrogation whore, i already know this conversation goes nowhere

>>34605911
>That's a stacy
just because she has light skin and blue eyes doesn't make her stacy bro
her face is 4/10 at best and her overall proportions are almost tranny tier

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>>34605952
>I think I'm an 8.5
pic rel is 8.5
you are realistically 6/10 for attracting a 4/10 becky
stop with this delusion

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>>34611317
That's a 9.5 lmao and has infinite access to virtually all pussy.
24yo pussy has more value than older pussy.
You're a 4 yourself

>>34605858
>going to prostitutes is based
>humiliation ritual
This is your problem. You consume manosphere content and use those phrases. Even if you don't tell them to the women, they can detect the aura you give off because you use them in your head constantly. You only think about women as foids and holes and they know that.

and here >>34605895
You're overly upset that the dude can get laid without having to go see a prostitute. You shouldn't be mad about other dudes getting laid simply because you cannot. I can't get laid either dude, and I'm not being a raging douchebag about it.

The thing if you want to get laid like Chad or even like Norman the normie, you have to start acting the part to the point where you fool yourself. You actually need to work on trying to actively change yourself. It's likely not your face that is ugly, but rather your personality. You revel in not being a normie, but to improve your chances on getting laid, you need to become one.

I used to like getting angry all the time on here too because 4chan is the one place where I could say whatever was truly on my mind, or even act out and troll without consequence, but if you let the hatred guide you, nobody is going like you.

>>34611319
>That's a 9.5 lmao
maybe in the 80's
taking his height into consideration (6') and how different modern standards are 8.5 is accurate
9.5 is 1 in a billion
you can't rate for shit
>24yo pussy
attached to a mediocre face and body
whatever helps you cope man

>>34611324
>mediocre
You called her a Stacy earlier. Stop being mad about some woman that this dude might bag. This is why you can't get laid.

>>34610989
You ask to meet as soon as possible, not after days of messaging. As soon as you establish rapport, within a few messages, if you feel like you want to meet then you arrange for it.

>>34611324
Lmao, i don't even know who the fag is or his height. Now that's celebrity status looks and probably rich too. Which effectively puts him closer to a 10 than an 8.
I don't know how you rate dudes but you seem to be fucked in your scoring lmao.
Also okay for me she's a 9, and I'll be happy to not get ghosted and meet up. But whatever I'm sure you get better pussy yourself.
>>34611323
>>34611329
You should hear this guy, he's giving you good advice lmao

>>34611334
Yeah agree, these girls all delay messaging 1-3 business days after all. You need to get their number asap and leave the apps

>>34610861
Because you think of them as whores and they sense that.

>>34611329
>You called her a Stacy earlier.
No I didn't.
>Stop being mad about some woman that this dude might bag.
I'm not mad. I'm just being real. This girl is a certified becky
>melolabial folds
>significant upper eyelid exposure
>big nose
>philtrum length
>recessed chin
>flat chest
>flat ass
you have to be a delusional brown clown if you unironically consider this a stacy JFL
>>34611336
>status
>probably rich too
OH BROTHERRR

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>>34611381
Lmao okay, I'm seeing this whore this Friday. For me she's a 7, with a couple of drinks a 7.5. still tall 1.78m and somewhat old 31 (at least no tattoos and blue eyes ofc so not all is lost).
Let me guess for you she's a 5... Kekkkk.
Also idk who that faggot is. I just know I have a higher networth than you poorfag. And I'm more attractive too. Care to post some of the bitches you get so you can shut me up you chad?

>>34611381
Also what I find outstanding is how you criticize the foids like that, when I'm certain you can't even get 1 girl at all. Like literally you must be trolling and unattractive and your body count must be less than 10. Tell me I'm wrong lmao

>>34605460
Tinder etcx. are absolute sausage fests were women are waterboarded with hundreds of matches daily.
As a a mid to ugly guy, you're straight up invisible there. Get fit, work on your style, find some friends ffs because your best chance is attracting women by pingin attraction switches taht aren't looks based aka being a cool guy whom they find hot on second glance.

>>34611387
Tell her to be gay and date me instead, since I'm not a prick like you :) The dating pool on Tinder in my city has been compromised by troons, so people barely use it anymore, the ones who do are fat with tons of facial piercings

>>34611557
>Tell her to be gay and date me instead
Huh? Why would I tell her to become a lesbian bro. She's into me, I'm just saying this is old meat compared to the 24yo pussy. But i still meeting her this Friday and obviously will escalate and get a kiss at the very least from our 1st date, then I'll try to set up 2nd meet at my place and bang.
Simple as that. And i got her from bumble, tinder is the worse out there, that's certain.

>>34611570
Because you insulted her and reduced her to just a body. Women are more than that ffs. Immediate attraction is what starts it sure, but emotional connection and having the ability to care about someone is needed too. Which you clearly don't have

>>34611592
Yeah well, i don't put her in a pedestal that's for sure. They play games, i play my own games. Maybe the first date goes wrong and we don't connect, but I'm still somewhat of a charming motherfucker. I'm an avoidant and have commitment issues, so yes I'm not a healthy person for relationships lmao. But that's how you get to 3 digit body counts as a male. And once you can bang, there's no point in settling with just 1

>>34611592
And once you get to my level (you won't) all foids are very similar.
There's no magic, no special ones

>>34605460
Your profile is probably dogshit. If you had balls youd post it so we can give feedback

>>34605460
>zero matches
Show us the pictures of your profile. I bet they're terrible and unappealing.

>>34611631
>Your profile is probably dogshit
Nothing you write on your profile will make you get laid, women don't even read those, they only look at the pictures.

>>34611760
Yes that's correct everyone saying otherwise is coping. Attraction> every other bs

>>34605460
Without seeing your profile, it's hard to tell whether you're coming across as dull or overly passive.

What I can say is that, in my experience, if all of your photos look too professional, it can trigger distrust. On the other hand, low quality photos tend to generate disinterest.

There's a balance to strike. While I don't have movie star looks, I'm a pretty normal looking guy, and I've still managed to get a few matches.

Hope this helps bros just drafted this from my experiences

The Tennis Analogy
Think of dating conversations like a tennis match.
Your job is not to keep the ball in the air by yourself.
Your job is to hit the ball over the net and see what comes back.
If you send a thoughtful message and she responds with curiosity, questions, stories, or meaningful engagement, she hit the ball back with energy. You can match that energy and invest more.
If you send a playful message and she responds with a playful message, match that energy.
If you send a meaningful message and she responds with a short acknowledgment like "I see," "lol," or "yeah," she hasn't really advanced the conversation. She hasn't necessarily rejected you, but she hasn't invested much either. You don't need to rush in and create momentum for both people.
The goal is not to match every message exactly.
The goal is to respond appropriately to the level of investment being given.
A healthy conversation naturally moves back and forth. Both people ask questions. Both people introduce topics. Both people reveal things about themselves. Both people carry the conversation at different times.
The mistake many people make is trying to play both sides of the court.
They send: "Hey."
Then: "How's your day?"
Then: "What do you do?"
Then: "Haha."
Then: "You there?"
At that point they are creating all of the momentum while the other person contributes very little.
The lesson:
Hit the ball over the net.
See what comes back.
If she invests, invest.
If she gives very little, don't panic and compensate.
If she doesn't return the ball, the game is over.
Not because you're punishing anyone.
Because tennis requires two players.
The purpose is not to manipulate attraction.
The purpose is to gather information.
People reveal their level of interest through their actions over time.
Your job is to notice, not compensate.

>>34611783
This works best if you have abundant steady matches it starts to make more sense. When every match is your only one you naturally will over invest. You dont have to be a Chad to do this I promise im not. Im 5'9 Asian/Pacific Islander but I got my shit together and forged my soul through a toxic marriage and divorce. You can fake this till you make it but eventually you gonne need to be a providerif you wanna keep on.longterm.

>>34611783
It's good but people will try to overcompensate as >>34611788 said.
For me, it's still key to get them out of the apps asap and try to set the date next.

>>34611808
This isn't really relevant to zoomee slots who just want to whore around until they are closer or post wall. Once they hit 26+ this is the game.

>>34611808
Zoomer sluts all want ti whore around until they start to get old and tired of working. Then they become more selective with who they sleep around with because it doesn't actually bring them any value and they realize they lose value with every guy who pumps and dumps them. Sucks that I have to pump post wall sluts who don't really deserve all I bring to the table but im hoping eventually ill find one I want to keep again.

>>34612120
You and me brother, you and me.
Friday date is 31 she's already past the wall and her own prime. But at least is somewhat attractive and reminds me of one of my exes so let's see how that goes also seems she ain't gonna flake. But let's see, ghosting and flaking is common currency nowadays.
Little Stacy did disappear on the number message so I'm not expecting to get back to me. Will probably shoot another message 24 hours later but doubt it'll change anything.
At least i did match with a nice Portuguese gal with nice curves but let's see if we can even meet up.

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The Elo is feeding me Asian baddies today. I've gotten 3 matches in the last 20 minutes.

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>>34612821

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Dude this is like work lol