thank hakadosh baruch hu she has revealed herself before the consummation of marriage so that you don't make a terrible mistake

entonces...

try again during the follicular phase females are impossible in their late luteal phase, and get her off birth control

women, especially wives off birth control as God intended, want to be bang maids about 13 days a month, succubi about 3 days a month, and wet garbage bags about 12 days a month

>>34606603
Take back the ring.

>>34606603
Honestly you should cancel the weeding, it's not sustainable for you to go further.

>>34606622
she's on birth control and never initiates sex but is receptive. she doesn't pay rent so i'm saving up for a house on my own.
she's basically already "kept" but now she wants more somehow. i don't know what the fuck she wants from me.
i'm not rich by any metric

>>34606603
Tell her that if she wants to be kept she will need to add something to the relationship. Did she tell you what she plans to do when she's not working?

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>>34606648
I think you already have your answer but try to cope with it. Nigga don't shot yourself in foot, if she's like this right now things can only go worse as time goes

>>34606648
What does she do for a living? I suppose you make way more than her, and perhaps she's not really understanding the economic situation. How about you lay it out for her, income minus expenses, and show her how its not possible. How it's going to put a strain on the relationship that you're afraid will break it apart.
What about getting her preggo though? Then maybe you guys can get some gibs and she'll wont have to work for a while.

>>34606652
she plans on just hanging out, i guess. she has vague plans to go back to school and get a degree but she's already 32 and flunked out of community college once before because she couldn't be bothered to do assignments.
>>34606672
she works at a grocery store. if we break up she will have to move back in with her parents because she cant afford rent anywhere.

>>34606672
she doesnt want kids btw. childfree. says pregnancy is body horror

>>34606603
Why can't you ask for blowjobs? It should be a given, if she's just gonna lay around and be a fat slob

>>34606685
You shouldn't accept this bs

>>34606688
i hate this board's culture of "break up with them" but damn bro what are you even hoping for

like what is best case scenario moving forward?

>>34606701
>like what is best case scenario moving forward?
she gets her life together and isn't a financial burden. she used to be sweet and kind but that's when she had no responsibilities living with her parents.
i need a wife i can rely on

>>34606603
There is no such thing as kept women. There never have been. Men keep the mothers of their children. They don't get to freeload.

>>34606759
well, females as a rule are a financial burden unless they are girlbossing which, uhh, seems not in line with what you are telling us

as far as sweet and reliable--see if you can get her to stop taking birth control and see what her real personality is

a woman with fucked up hormones is going to act weird

>>34606685
>32
>Not virgin
>Wants to stay at home scrolling TikTok
>Won't do chores or cook
You know what to do OP.

>>34606759
>she gets her life together and isn't a financial burden.
No, that's not the best case scenario. The best scenario is you dumping her and finding a woman 10 years younger that wants to have kids. What are you doing with your life dude?

Imagine paying for the lifestyle of an eggless 30 year old woman-child that doesn't want to have kids neither take care of the house. Couldn't be me.

>>34606921
she was a virgin when we met
>>34606923
i'm 5'7"

lol she sounds like she wants to be a stay at home wife while not doing anything aka chores and house errands. She wants you to fund her lazy lifestyle now, and you'd be an idiot not to break this off now.
>NOOOOOOO I WILL NOT BE YOUR MAID AND DO SHIT IN SEXY CLOTHING!
This alone is the tip of the iceberg, dude. Any woman that has this mindset is lazy, and will not take care of your needs when you're wagecucking all day to support her.

>>34606685
I swear to god, I thought this was my ex for a minute. Either way, dodge this bullet. The ex tried to cheat on me, on top of it all. Self-entitlement because of (some excuse for being a belligerently shitty person).

Now I'm with a woman half my age, and I am in pussy heaven.

>>34606603
Fuck that lmao. She wants you to work your ass off while she provides nothing and gets fat.

>>34606648
sounds emotionally disengaged, they do this before moving on

>>34606943
That changes things a little, get her off birth control, it makes them a little retarded/ crazy. Get her off tiktok for a little while.
She should change a little off birth control, and she should change a little again during/ after pregnancy.

>>34607523
She needs some goal in life, that's not pointless education, get her preggers OP.

>>34607523
a little more retarded*/ crazier, so does being on tiktok all the time, it's full of crazy retarded women making one another a little more mutually crazy/ retarded, get rid of it.

>>34607531
If the relationship is already going down the toilet, this is a pretty good opportunity to salvage it, since all the other advice is "dump that whale", you should at least confront her about this, and make your terms clear.

>>34607538
If she wasn't pure when you met her, it'd be a little easier to discard her, that's not the case here, there's some sense of responsibility

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>>34606603
>your fiancée admits that she intends to sit at home, burn your money, spend all day doom-scrolling, and she gets angry at the mere prospect of pleasing you.
>"wat do???"
The first thing to do is to fall to your knees and cry out "THANK YOU GOD." Women like your fiancée are typically smart enough to not drop the facade until after the marriage is finalized, and guys like you are typically too dumb to acknowledge signs of a doomed relationship until it's too late. Cut off the engagement and dump her. Alternatively, you could get married to this chick and end up as a cautionary tale. Seriously, if you marry her, in a couple years you will either be frantically googling "divorce attorneys near me," or "least painful suicide methods." I hope for your sake that future never comes to be.

>>34607660
This. She sounds like an entitled cunt, OP. Do you really want to be stuck with a miserable leech who only becomes more and more of an energy vampire from watching infinite tiktoks about how much of a queen she is and men are punching bags who need to be corrected through endless condescending lectures?

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>>34606603
congratulations buddy, you've got yourself a tradwife (the real version, not the fantasy that influencers try to sell for online clout and cash)

>proposed
Sell the ring and run very very fucking far away. Do not marry this bitch, she's gonna drain you like a sponge mentally, physically and financially. She is using you like a betabuxer

>>34607545
At the very least, confront her clearly

>>34606603
keep her only if she has had sex with you only and not anyone else.

>>34607523
>>34607526
she doesn't want kids ever

>>34606603
break up with her.

>>34608446
she was a virgin when we met but why the hell would i want to support another grown adult who doesn't even want to do anything to make me happy?
she wasn't like this before the Tiktok shit and I can't snap her out of it. I tell her to get off social media and she just tells me that I'm being controlling and abusive
>YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO
no bitch but you can't be a useless freeloader either. i'm not your dad

Break up with her to show her you're serious about not putting up with the bullshit. She'll likely realize she fucked up and beg for you back.

wait until she either gets better, or cheats on you

>>34606603
Run, you fool!

>>34606603
It's good she showed this before you got married. If you can't and/or don't want to be her sugar daddy, (and she sounds like she doesn't even want to put out, just wants free stuff) then you need to show her the financial situation.

>I make X
>Expenses are Y
>Your expenses are Z
(You'd need to find out what her expenses are accurately, which may be tough.)
And then show that after X-Y, you are in the positive, barely, and when you add Z to the expenses, that you're in the red.

Personally, I strive for equal expense responsibilities in a relationship, but the majority of women don't want to pay for their own stuff, and won't date you unless you pay for all their stuff.

>>34609391
Find some Tiktokers who aren't part of the women section where they all go "yas Queen" "me me me". There are some women on there who actually talk about healthy relationships. Show her that stuff if she needs the internet to tell her what to do.

>>34609391
virgin, ultra loyal women are worth it m8. Just tell her that it'll atleast take another 2-4 years to get the finances sorted and ask her to work until then. But you also gotta keep your promise as the longer a women works, the higher the odds she'll just cheat on you with her work husband

>>34606688
Stop this stupid baiting

>>34606688
Don't wanna be this guy but honestly why do you wanna marry her if you don't want kids with her and she just siphons your funds away.
I'm not saying you have to break up but I want you to seriously examine the relationship and ask yourself what YOU are getting out of this because it sounds very one-sided
I know people, myself included, do very stupid things because they love someone, but sometimes love is not enough
Only replying cuz you got dubz btw.
Checked 88 HH

>>34611242
I dunno dude I love her and have grown pretty attached. But it seems like she's just exploiting my generosity now. She missed a bunch of opportunities to get her life sorted and we agreed that I'd help her out as long as she was putting in effort but it seems she just wants a free ride for doing some chores occasionally maybe.
>>34611231
I wish this was bait.
>>34611209
I don't think she is that loyal. Now she's saying she doesn't want to be a wife and thinks the kept woman thing is preferable.
A few months ago she talked about wanting to be a housewife but then told me she won't do certain things like vacuuming. It's all so stupid. She has no direction in life, doesn't know what the fuck she wants, seems to change her mind constantly, and is getting more and more lazy.

>>34611389
>A few months ago she talked about wanting to be a housewife but then told me she won't do certain things like vacuuming
So what the fuck is she gonna do? Sounds like there isn't anything for you in this deal.

>>34606603
CALL OFF THE MARRIAGE NOW NOW NOW AND TELL HER YOU DEMAND A BJ EVERYDAY FROM A TRADWIFE

>>34611389
Dump her, she's gonna get fat and useless and you'll grow resentful and waste your resources instead of getting a better ho out there.

>>34611389
>I don't think she is that loyal
how do you know? have any proof that she has inclinations ? Sure an idle brain is a whore's workshop for women, but what solid proof do you have she's a cheater? If it turns out she's an ultra, 'loyal till last breath' type of person, then you truly are screwing up big time

>>34611389
>Says she wants to be a tradwife
>Doesn't want to vacuum
>Doesn't want to satisfy you sexually and chimps out when you try to have some lighthearted banter about her wearing skimpy stuff around the house
>Trite "pregnancy is le body horror" redditor mindset
>Wants to doomscroll at home all day on your dime
>Chimps out again when you tell her to stop watching online bullshit that rots your brain and makes you resentful
Jesus fucking Christ, anon, this is grim. I'd put money on this only getting worse if you accept her terms since she'll be even more mentally fucked from watching tiktok 24/7. She'll start talking about how she "deserves more" and how she "isn't feeling connected" to you because you'll be so busy wagecucking in order to support her.

>>34606603
>>34606648
Hi OP, in the next few sentences I'll try to embody your wife's thoughts, from her perspective. Hopefully it helps.


He pays for rent.. the food is paid for. I don't have to worry. He accepted that I'm not going to initiate sex. I do enjoy it occasionally that he goes down on me.
Tik tok, girlfriends, media, consumption, food, getting lost in stupid trends, this is what I like. He is inconsequential in all of this, he is providing for this lifestyle.

In all honesty OP she probably hates herself and resents the fact that she's nothing more than a consumer child with a lifestyle enabled by a dude who does it for the emotional stability and the sex. Then she withdraws the only thing that you actually want.
Do you know what they call that? Being offered the finger and taking the whole arm, or having your cake and eating it too.
You have succumbed so much, that you've reverted her to an insolent child. She is now in this state where she takes her existence for granted, and realizes that within this safe framework where nothing can go wrong - a framework that you've provided and cultivated alongside her - no consequences will come by from being very verbal with her demands.

It's sad, really. You're living with a highly intelligent animal essentially. It knows that it can get all the food from you, all the good living conditions to satisfy the dopamine receptors in her head. And she sees the stability as so irrefutable, that she wants EVEN MORE. She would give you zero sex and have you sending her cheques, so long as her safe& boring & stagnant lifestyle can proceed. You said you're not rich, so I take it your girl is not partying and buying clothes, rather she sits at home reading books scrolling TikTok and fantasizing about having a small garden or crocheting, and does nothing with her time. Maybe cook sometimes and that's about it.

You're better off alone my man, or with prostitutes. I'd start looking for a woman and sign up for the gym TODAY.

I've skimmed the thread and unless you're certain that she'd actually change after a serious conversation about this (assuming she can even have a serious conversation about it) you should just call it off, I don't know why you're together.
I don't even mind paying for everything in a relationship, all I spend money on when I'm single is stationery and alcohol, but it doesn't sound like you two are going to be happy together.

DTMFA.

>>34606648
Damn sounds like you proposed to my first ex. Sorry bro

>>34611446
>If it turns out she's an ultra, 'loyal till last breath' type of person, then you truly are screwing up big time
I asked her to marry me and she waffled about it then later told me she wants to be a kept woman (an old fashioned term for a sugar baby aka whore). I don't think she wants to be a wife.
There are two ways I can interpret this:
- She wants to be "kept" by me. I don't want to be with anyone I need to "keep" with money. It's basically paying to be in a relationship.
- She wants to be a professional escort.
She doesn't want to work or get an education or have kids.
>>34611454
She specifically does not want to be a tradwife. I think she just wants to be lazy.
>>34611454
I'm already wagecucking to support her. She told me she needed to go part time because of burnout and so that she could go back to school (I asked her to learn ANY useful skill because even a boring office job would put us in a much better position than her working at a grocery store)
But there's no progress on anything and now she's getting more demanding

>>34611495
>I take it your girl is not partying and buying clothes, rather she sits at home reading books scrolling TikTok and fantasizing about having a small garden or crocheting, and does nothing with her time. Maybe cook sometimes and that's about it.
Holy fuck how did you know this? Yeah she reads a lot, watches cartoons, scrolls on her phone, dreams about having a little house with a garden (but last time I tried to garden with her she didn't even want to dig in the soil). That's why I'm trying to save up for a house, but I can't do it alone because shit is so expensive here.
>In all honesty OP she probably hates herself
She talks about this occasionally but does nothing to improve her situation. She's 33 and still lives (and thinks) like a high schooler. When we met she had all these ambitions and promised a lot, but nothing got done.
She blames it on her ADHD and depression, but she's medicated. I'm autistic (obviously) and have depression on top of that but I made something of myself regardless because the alternative was dying in the street.
Prior to this she lived with her parents, never on her own.

>>34611594
>She specifically does not want to be a tradwife.
Misread what you said. Should've said housewife.

>>34611609
Her idea of being a housewife is sitting around all day and having her life paid for.

>>34611604
Bro, everyone already told you, you need to kick her out. It's not gonna work out and you'll get more fucked the longer it goes on.
You need to do it. It's just gonna get worse after. 33 and useless, get rid of her and get younger pussy. You'll thank us all later

>>34611594
>But there's no progress on anything and now she's getting more demanding
>She talks about this occasionally but does nothing to improve her situation.
>She's 33 and still lives (and thinks) like a high schooler.
Best thing you could do is probably to sit down and talk to her about this and tell her in the kindest way possible that she needs to start pulling her weight. Judging by your tone it already seems like there's resentment building up towards her and it'll make you a bitter fuck soon enough if it doesn't get sorted. Most men are wise enough to eventually realize that women are overgrown children ("women are emotionally mature" is bullshit, I have yet to meet a single woman in my life that's capable of being mature), but this level of self-victimization and learned helplessness isn't acceptable. Either she's open to growing up and you can help her out with that, or she can choose to remain a perpetually 16 year old, mentally unwell hedonist and take her business elsewhere.

>>34611641
Yeah. I just don't want to start over.
>younger pussy
I'm an autistic manlet. I don't have options.
>>34611661
I've already tried talking to her many times. This is a conversation we've been having for years. Her only response is promising to "do better" but then nothing happens. She talks like she understands the problem but refuses to actually take any action, and if I stop bugging her about it she just goes back to doing her thing.

I'm going to break up with her. Thanks, bros. I thought I finally found my debt-free virgin without tattoos but it turns out she's a complete dud. The last several years I felt like I've got a deadbeat daughter instead of a girlfriend.
God is laughing at me.

>>34611694
Don't stress bro, you did what you could. It's better to be alone and by yourself than carrying dead weight. She doesn't deserve you. You'll get someone better eventually.
Better start getting back to the gym/sports.
Godspeed

>>34611694
Best of luck, anon. You'll find a good woman soon enough. Keep your head up and don't stop enjoying life.

>>34611604
>muh depression
Leave now. Women like this will always use this as an excuse for everything in life. She already showed you her true colors, so get out NOW! You are going to be miserable in a dead bedroom marriage from day 1. Stop coping, stop trying to save this dumpster fire, stop looking for excuses, you know what you have to do. If you're so desperate for pussy look for another woman, or just fuck a hooker every once in a while, it is a better alternative than the path you're trying to force yourself on.