>>34612976
You get used to it.

>>34612976
Request to meet her father and get his blessing before sex

>>34612976
You don't have money, easy peasy

>>34613066
Doesn't solve anything, I'm flat fucking broke and my woman wants 100% of my time and attention

atp i would pay her $50 to fuck off

>>34612976
? what kind of a dumb question is this? fuck off retard
how do you avoid dumbfucks on 4chan wasting your time

get over the idea of a woman being your equal

>>34612976
Withdraw your time/attention/money when you're not getting what you want out of the arrangement.

>>34613054
Create more work for yourself.
Brilliant.

>>34612976
And what are you using THEM for?

>>34614176
Either sex or someone to build a family with

>>34612976
I stay ugly

>>34612976
Get to know women initially over a general period of time where you get a feel for if they're stable, have shared values and goals for the future, and how they expect you to behave as the man of the relationship (modern even splits or more trad-like). As the man and pursuer 95+% of the time, you'll probably need to accept that you will have to pay for the first date to keep the initial momentum going. Pick cheaper spots around the city that are quality but still impressive. Otherwise, stick to fun bar spots or tapas spots where you can still get that interaction in early without blowing up the wallet.

Ignoring the possibility of this being a staged video, its really hard for me to take her seriously just by how eager and focused she is on recording. Even if the date was going well and ended amicably, feeling the need to post so much about initial dates like this are an extreme turn off

>>34615182
so what's your intention with the woman? Is it really worth all this effort? I've tried this a ridiculous number of times and never met any woman worth marrying. At this point just saving my money.

>>34612976
By avoiding women. Ez

>>34615205
Would you still avoid women if you weren't ugly?

>>34612976
You would have to be a guy who women want to use for this to be a problem for you.

>>34615201
I prefer being friends with benefits with women who I happen to know via social hobbies or my extended friend group. A day out here and there is fun but its usually just a mutual understanding that getting off is the main purpose.

As far as if its worth all the effort for the purpose of marriage or life-long partnership? That's up to you. I personally don't think app dates are worth it for that purpose, too many of creators, bots, and women interested in a free meal for the effort to be worth it. If you're semi decent looking (not a turbo manlet, not fat, not dressed like an elementary schooler dressed by mom) and don't mind committing a month or so to getting yourself out there, then I think that's a better path. That's just my experience though.

>>34615227
I'm actually pretty good looking but yes, in your hypothetical I would still avoid them. Too many problems, too much bs.

>>34615271
>fwb
I've done this too but it always ends up being kind of fucked when we catch feelings, more obligations come up and then I realize I'm wasting my time with someone who does fwb with guys, which I'd never want to have kids with.

>app dates
where do you meet? I mainly met off Hinge, Bumble and Tinder. I've also met a bit around bars or co-ed sports, but the issue with hobbies is that you can only really date one girl out of the group and need to commit being a regular to really get a chance meeting out of there. For me it was never worth it, hence why I focused on dating apps.

Now just letting it happen randomly if I'm out and about or get introduced from social circles for a wife worthy girl or will just see an escort if really bored of porn maybe once a month, which gets the dating monkey off my back.

>>34615272
>Too many problems, too much bs.
What would it take for you to consider them? Pretty much in the same boat. White, tall, low bodyfat, muscular, well off, but I don't think it's worth it unless one's like a legitimate male model or from a well connected/rich family.

>>34615325
>What would it take for you to consider them?
At this point? Theres nothing that would ever make me reconsider. I've learned and seen them and their nature for what they truly are. I'm completely checked out. Might consider a waifu bot or something if they ever become advanced enough. Probably won't happen my lifetime though, whatever

>>34612976
You don't. Thats what they do.

>>34615376
So, even if a beautiful young girl came into your life, you wouldn't try to give it a shot? Do you have anything you look forward to in the remainder of your life? For me it was building a family, so kind of depressed now realizing it's probably not a good idea. I'm looking for other ways to channel my energy like art and hobbies, though. I feel it's all just becoming one distraction after another until the ride's over.

>>34614176
making babies of course.

>>34615272
>"You can't fire me, I quit!"
Imagine living life this perpetually cucked

>>34615391
>So, even if a beautiful young girl came into your life, you wouldn't try to give it a shot?
No. I'm done. Completely. Don't need sex, companionship, intimacy, or all of that other crap.
>Do you have anything you look forward to in the remainder of your life?
Not really, not that I care. More than content to take it one day at a time.
>For me it was building a family,
I never had any desire to have kids or start a family from the get go, so I cant relate.
>Im looking for other ways to channel my energy like art and hobbies
Yeah thats what I spend most of my time doing as well. Thanks to not bothering with chasing tail (and some luck) I was able to effectively retire really early. I'm basically a hermit neet with money.

>>34615402
>"You can't fire me, I quit!"
I did quit though.Why does this upset you? I made my choice. You are aware that not everyone wants the same things right?

>>34615406
>(and some luck) I was able to effectively retire really early. I'm basically a hermit neet with money.
did you buy BTC or something? my plan is also just retiring early but no gambles (I have bad luck every time I've tried), just maxing out retirement account and putting it all on VT while stacking every year. Should be done within a decade.

>>34615449
>did you buy BTC or something?
What basically happened is a wealthy relative I knew and was on really good terms with passed away and left me their wealth. So I invested it. They had no kids but I was still shocked, thought he'd leave to a sibling or something.

>>34615462
Yeah, guess that's the most common way people retire early. Unfortunately my parents are dirt broke, so can't rely on anything. My uncle is very well off but haven't heard from him in a few years, so likely nothing either.
My best bet it seems is just live like a monk and throw as much into retirement accounts as possible. I'm the only person I know doing this, so I can't really relate to anyone irl t b h

you take her on inexpensive/free date if she expects expensive date and after that doesn't at least suck your dick then leave her

>>34615325
Fwbs work for me since I'm pretty good about divorcing feelings from it. I'm also just not interested in getting into a romantic relationship with 99% of the women I end up friendly so its usually the lady catching feelings and from there its up to them to leave. I never lie about how I feel so i never feel like I'm taking advantage of anyone (also, women who have caught feelings but know its a dead-end relationship end up fucking the best just before they decide to end things from my experience).

I hear you about the hobbies point but I've been trying to get better socializing and communicating overall so I already have additional incentive to go outside of meeting women. Apps can work but I only ever bother when I know I'll be in a major city and know I'll be in the mood to give it a proper effort.
>>34615536
Pretty much this. Money can make some women drop the panties easier but the black pillers aren't wrong about women making it easy for the men they like. Getting in shape and being upfront about my niche hobbies got me way further than shelving out money for instagrammable and expensive dates

>>34615557
>Fwbs work for me since I'm pretty good about divorcing feelings from it
what's the point? I honestly rarely ever feel like seeing the same girl twice if it's just for sex. I feel it's already a conquer at this point. I'd only stay if she was someone that could overall improve my quality of life, like if she owned a nice home and had a good circle of friends. Maybe you have a better selection than me, but the girls who fwb are very lonely girls usually living with their parents or they really want a relationship after a few times meeting up to fuck.
At that point it's just so much effort for what equates to the same you'd get from an escort or masturbating.

End of the day I think I'm just losing the normie drive. I just don't even care. I only value creative stuff, like producing music or paintings lately.

>>34615325
>but I don't think it's worth it unless one's like a legitimate male model or from a well connected/rich family.
>male model
Wait, you're a fucking woman pretending to be a fucking guy.

>>34613177
Some men drown and dont realize how lucky they are to be an in an ocean

>>34615603
>what's the point?
Unfortunately, I have a relatively high libido and obsess about sex regularly. I was a bit of an ugly duckling in high school and did spend some years making up for lost time in a sense (once I looked better and knew how to talk to people). I'm in a better place now but that sexual validation from women still has a hold on me. I would prefer to have new women monthly in a perfect world but that's a lot of work and I just keep 2-4 fwbs who I know I'm attracted to on rotation.
>Maybe you have a better selection than me,
Funny enough, its usually career girls who live decent enough lives. They often times just want someone to help them get off because they're either no longer dating or are dating but still want the sexual company until they're finally exclusive with someone. I'd say about 25% catch feelings eventually.

>>34615668
>career girls
yeah, those were mainly the ones for me too. Had a few nurses I'd spend months with. One was a doctor. Another girl was a finance student ex-mormon living alone in an airbnb while going to school. The others were just living with their parents and wanted someone to stay over with, which then turned to them eating all my stuff and wanting to move in with me.
I'm also a sex addict. I grew up poor and didn't take care of my appearance at all, had bad acne, then after making good money I went into the looksmaxx rabbit hole, got in great shape, good clothes, perfect skin, my own place etc so I could finally get most girls I wanted, but at this point after years of it I feel it just leaves me feeling empty. I also make plenty where I can travel and get even more attractive looking women by just paying for it no strings compared to courting less attractive women while listening to their bs etc.
I guess going into my 30s I feel the monger route is probably the most efficient way to get variety while satisfying a sex addiction. I do try to channel the energy most of the time to creativity though and being financially responsible to hit an early retirement somewhere in southern europe sometime soonish. That does leave the validation part out of it, but when I've met some of these girls they really go crazy for me since the average dude they see is old or not so good looking.

>>34612976
By not being a fool? If you're a Chad, you'll know it. Women are going to flock to you. If you have to "work on yourself" to attract women, you're not a Chad and she's using you.

Women are real??

>>34615704
If you looksmaxx and are clever, you can go from average to fuckboy tier, but I agree nothing beats an actual Chad who can just do nothing to match with the best girls with crappy mirror selfies on his profile. I'd argue might not even be worth going the fuckboy tier either for the effort needed to pull off t b h

>>34615895
what kind of mid man?

>>34615901
6-7/10

>>34612976
Wow, $130 is a lot, are they eating for 5?

>>34615938
it's probably from the drinks. 4 drinks could be $80 + $50 from the food plus tip

>>34615715
it's a lot of effort, but there other reasons, why I reject looksmaxxing
>it's often very expensive (only hard looksmaxxing is going to make an actual difference)
>you do not know, if a girl's into you, because you looksmaxxed, or if she's using you
>you're handing the leverage to the woman, because you submit to her wants and standards; instead of demanding her to adapt to yours, which is what men do; it's spelling doom for the relationship

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>>34615943
To be precise, it is slightly below "mid".

>>34615944
Drinks? What are you drinking, ambrosia?

People pay $40 to feel dizzy, why don't they just spin in place like autists do?

>>34615970
it's a big fat humiliation ritual hence the thread, girls want to milk simps for money and attention. When they go to restaurants they will pick the most expensive item and a couple of expensive drinks expecting the simp to pay in full while telling him she has to wake up early for work, maybe should do again sometime

>>34612976
Usually if a woman isn't fucking me then she gets absolutely none of my time or energy.

>>34615271
I'm pretty much there now. I used to seek out long term relations but im honestly tired of these bitches past a surface level understanding, now im perfectly OK with just getting my dick wet and keeping to myself. Hell I'm trying to rebuild my roster so I have a steady rotation. That forever/family shit is for the birds now.

>>34615536
This. Every woman I've ever taken out I was atleast pulling down her panties by date #3. Heck I had one chick call me out when I was being too bitch made after a date cause I couldn't get a read on her. You'd be surprised how much women throw away the idea of "safety" if she decides she likes you. Most women would let you fuck raw too.

>>34615414
>I did quit though.
Easy to do when nobody wants you

>Why does this upset you?
Kek. You being a sad loser doesn't upset me.

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>>34616214
>if she decides she likes you.

Women do nothing but play social games. Literally just talk to anyone else in her social space ABOUT HER and she will understand. Dog shit easy bro, grow a brain.

>>34616214
>Most women would let you fuck raw too.
In what world do you live in? The vast majority of girls are overly paranoid about getting STDs or knocked up.

>>34617195
You're not that guy then, haven't you heard the phrase "women break the rules for the men they want"?

I'm not saying I go raw all the time, what I'm saying is that almost no woman had ever told me to use a condom and that it was my choice. Obviously I vetted to see if I even wanted to do so but the opportunity is there if she actually fucks with you. I test myself with each new woman too so hasn't gone wrong yet.

>using you for time and attention
Thats called a relationship? Are you fucking retarded? You people aren't even human.

>>34617225
Meant they will use you for time and attention with no intention of ever having sex.

>>34613617
This has been the hardest part. I wish I had a father to tell me this before I wasted so much of my life being kind to women

>>34617195
Hahahaha
>>34617220
True, I've fucked multiple of these hoes raw and they have swallowed me up all the way.
>Prerequisite, you need to be attractive

>>34612976
Avoid wymyn altogether

>>34612976
Find women that are not whores, they often hang out at:

-Skill based jobs.
-Churches.
-Cultural events.
-Family oriented events.

Avoid girls who only care about money, they are often found at:
-Apps.
-Nightclubs.
-Parties.
-Non skill based jobs.
-Concerts.
-Bars.

It's not that hard.

>>34616199
The deeper you look into someone and the deeper you look inwards all you will find is shit. And try it yourself. You will just find shit but u will gaslight yourself into creating a little storyline around it, self inquiry is a useless little hobby outside of realizing how useless it is

>>34612976
>How do you avoid women just using you for your time/attention/money?
Don't hang out with assholes

>>34618362

>Skill based jobs.
Everyone knows the biggest whores are in healthcare and education.

>cultural events
Like what? Art openings? These are filled with peak liberal women with blue hair.

>churches
Can be the better option, but unfortunately not religious, so it would be doomed to fail.

>family oriented events
This requires a family who have friends, which definitely isn't mine.

Guess my best option is avoiding women.

>>34618418
Why are such a little whiny bitch?

>>34618418
>Everyone knows the biggest whores are in healthcare and education.
EVERYONE is everyone here with us? No. Go to that place and see for yourself.

>>34618418
>Like what? Art openings? These are filled with peak liberal women with blue hair.
Again finding excuses before even trying. Don't listen to hearsay, it sounds like you are afraid of trying so you are just finding excuses.

Go to art galleries, exhibitions, free concerts and many other cultural events.

>>34618418
>Can be the better option, but unfortunately not religious, so it would be doomed to fail.
So what? You can still bee part of the community somehow, most people don't go to religion JUST because of their faith, they also seek community, belonging and events.

>>34618418
>This requires a family who have friends, which definitely isn't mine.
No? Just go to a Italian food event for exemple, hang out there, taste the wine, cheese and pasta, get some small talk in the lines.

What do you want? The perfect woman to just fall from the sky into you lap?

>>34613644
it's really this simple. you don't need to make a fuss about it, and you don't try to convince a women. attraction isn't something negotiable

>>34616214
>how much women throw away the idea of "safety"

They don't , its just that after that time they have checked you out and found you to be safe. Also stop it iwth the date number shit, its about time. Takes roughly 8 hours to get to that point from experience, some times less if shes known you beforehand or through social circles. Then theres the chicks who are dtf almost imemdiately - in this case they've decided that want to get laid that night or right away for whatever reason of their own.
All in all it is very freein to realize taht you don't really control any of this shit. Just be ready to walk away if things take unusually long and the reason isn't that you chickened out of escalating.In that case she either has issues or is playing you

>>34618756
stfu and just transition already.

>>34618756
>This planet is a prison
>There is nothing in this world worth striving for besides Gods love
If God was so loving, why did he put you and billions of others into a prison planet, then? Why would you strive to love him? Stockholm syndrome?

>>34618778
Because we lost the intergalactic war and got banished into this rat infested shithole as punishment for aggravated warcriming.
The whole "God" thing is just huge cope. Some retards just can't do their time without causing a fuss I guess.

Well you can avoid it by avoid the advice of simps like this seething millennial unc BALDCEL!
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