I have been going to the gym, bouldering and running consistently for the past 3 years. I have built up muscle, strength, hit V8 in bouldering and can easily run a 10K in 48 min. Yet, I am 26 years old and have never even been on a date. No girl has ever been attracted to me, not before I was into sports and not now.I have read tons of threads on reddit and posts here about how getting in shape completely transformed their dating life. Why did this not happen for me? I am still attracting 0 girls, they don't even look into my direction, never smile at me, nothing.I am 5'9", 180lbs.
>>34620619You're the one who's supposed to attract and ask out women. Only trannies/gay men have this princess mentality.
>>34620620>smile at girl>she doesn't smile back, ignores me, is disgusted at worstOkay how am I supposed to approach a girl who doesn't even smile back at me?
>>34620619How many women have you asked out?
>>34620619You know you're still supposed to talk to them right?The idea (which is correct) is that they'll be more receptive to YOUR advances if you're a fit good looking guy and not some scrawny skeleton or fat slob (or ugly). But not that they're supposed to just throw themselves at you and do all the work, which is what a lot of gymcels were hoping to hear.
>>34620619It works, just not for the reasons you think. More than anything else, women respond to confidence. Getting in shape often makes a man more confident, which means he gets more attention from women. But if getting in shape doesn't make you confident, it won't help you (or rather it will help a bit, but not nearly enough).What you need to do is to learn how to mimic confidence convincingly. t. former incel who learned how to fake confidence and started getting laid
>>34620667>>34620668>>34620677How can I ask women out if they never give me any signals that I am allowed to approach them? Like I tried smiling at some girls at a festival a few weeks ago but either A: they didn't look at me at all, B: they looked away, C: they looked at me with a blank face and then away or D: they looked back at me with slight disgust.I know that I am an ugly guy. I have a fucking ugly face but I thought getting ripped could off-set that, no?
>>34620619I get way more attention from girls right now that I haven't been working out. All you have to do is prove that you have done it. No one wants to live in the gym. There's way better things to be doing out there. Get your gym photos and get out You don't need to stay pumped at all times. Just stay lean.
>>34620681>How can I ask women outBruh forget about asking them out at this stage. How about just having a conversation or successful interaction first? You have to walk before you can run.>I have a fucking ugly face but I thought getting ripped could off-set that, no?It might, but it might not. It depends on the girl. I'm sure you know what a butterface woman is right? Also consider that women are less visual than we are.
>>34620681Staring at a woman with a fixed autistic grin is not going to attract her. Understand that normal people say things to strangers all the time. It's not "approaching", it's just communicating like an actual human being. When you've got the hang of that, then maybe you can ask someone out.
>>34620681>I am an ugly guy. I have a fucking ugly face but I thought getting ripped could off-set that, no?Depends how ugly.Getting fit definitely makes a big difference.Maybe you need the hair and wardrobe update as well.fat + ugly = 3fit + ugly = 5fit + ugly + well groomed = 6fit + ugly + well groomed + wealthy = 7fit + ugly + well groomed + wealthy + good personality = 8It's like women and makeup. It's +3 on to their real looks. You may have to work on those other things like getting a decent income, and improving your personality.I'm no looker, I'm a 5 on a good day. To get women to consider me, I had to dress well, earn 6 figures, and take up combat sports and motorcycling in lieu of improving my personality.
>>34620619>I am 26 years oldIn your age group teen-style dating is much less common than for teens. The most likely route to a girlfriend will be through friendship or something similar - classmates, workmates, neighbors, church, etc. In fact, it is more likely than not that you already know the woman you will next date, on one of those non-romantic levels. The path is to build on the acquaintance and evolve it toward romance. and that is MUCH easier to do with someone you already know than with a stranger
>>34621105>The most likely route to a girlfriend will be through friendshipIsn't that literally you being in the friendzone? Like I have female friends but they would NEVER consider me as a romantic option. I tried very very light flirting with them once and they instantly back off HARD.I have been trying to attract girls at bouldering but I am not good enough yet. The strongest and best climbers in my gym are all surrounded by cuties all the time. I am like 8-10 years of training away from that level though.
>>34620619In general, its not meme advice. Anything that directly improves your looks makes attracting women easier. That usually means getting lean (12-15% body fat) for the combo of muscular definition, v taper/shoulder-to-width emphasis, and facial sharpness.Your face, clothing, height, personality, ability to communicate, etc. all still matter but you're practically guaranteed to have more options if you go from generically skinnyfat (or in America's case, straight up fat) to jacked.>>34621024I'll let others decide how much wealth and personality matter specifically. I think incels and 4 chan style neets should be encouraged by the fact that most guys can go up at least 3 points by getting in shape and having decent self care.OP, unless you're ugly beyond normal parameters then you are either not putting yourself out enough or not as jacked/lean/muscular as you portray
>>34620619Invest in your Instagram account. Post aesthetic dumps(search this term), take candid photos, take travel photos etc. >not before I was into sports and not now.Try reading and watching art house films you retard. You need to tap into the hobbies that women like. And women don't like cavemen in your pic related. They like lean builds like that model Chico
>>34620681There's your answer, you don't approach. Get to know to get to know. It's starting off as small talk and questions and then suddenly a conversation. It's a skill, you can learn it. How to make small talk and make it fun and be comfortable enough to turn it into big talk.
>>34621488So you are saying I should just approach girls out of the blue without having them approve of me like with a smile or something? Isn't that really creepy?
>>34620619>I have been going to the gym>I am still attracting 0 girls
>>34620619>I have been going to the gym>I am still attracting 0 girlsWomen don't care about your body, they care about your face and your height though. Sorry that it took you so long to realize it.
>>34621573Don't "approach" women. Talk to them, like one normal human being talking to another normal human being.
>>34621609Yeah but they aren't normal human beings. Talking to guys is really fucking easy, like if you see someone on a hard boulder and doing it you can compliment him "that was beastly" or whatever and 99% I have made a new bro that I can boulder with the next session.Now if you do the same with a girl she gets uncomfortable, is disgusted with you (if you aren't tall and handsome), avoid you, etc. Like talking to women is just completely different, they can ruin your social reputation in an instant, they are mean, they make you hate yourself.
>>34620620Desu I agree with this even though I relate to OP, also great pic OPIme on some days, which are quite rare for some reason, I become physically attracted to random women around me and I realize that the issue was never women not being attracted to me, the issue was my libido just being chronically low
>>34620677Foids respond to shy chads by asking him out. Why do you still cope with boomer nonsense, bud?
>>34620619Picrel- The meme
Why not try a different approach. Sign yourself for dancing classes. There is always more women than men and often due to scarcity of men, you would dance with bunch of them each class. You will have a chance to talk to them and meet some. Don't try too quickly to ask anyone out for a date, but have a friendly chat with them. That way you won't sound too desperate. Dance moves a lot of muscles, so you can treat it as sport activity. If someone asks why do you want to dance, you can say that you always wanted to try it and feel more confident on a dance floor. You will quickly find a lot of women of all ages who would like to help you. Don't put aside those who are older or uglier in your opinion. Some of them are going through the same thing, might become just friends but this would widen your friend circle. When you get invited to some group meeting you might meet their friends who might be even cuter. Don't be afraid to be lousy dancer at the beginning, everyone was one at the beginning. Not only it will make you toned but also you will meet new people, will have a chance to exercise small talk, getting know better others and eventually you will be able confidently ask girl to dance and believe me - girls love guys who can dance - no matter of size or shape or baldness or height.
>>34622171stonetoss never got in shape thoughever so this comes off as sour grapes
>>34620619Women don't care about muscles, they're good but of at some point they are too much and look uncanny valley (body builders are ugly). Height can also be too much. You should looksmaxx without gymcelling.Face>hair>race>height>musclesRace and height may be debatable and clearly you can't change race but focus on your face and hair and let muscles be the last of your worries. If you look anything like Sam Sulek or any roidtranny you're sub5. Working out is good especially if it improves your posture if bad, which also makes you taller. Learnung skills is also good so calisthenics > weight lifting.
>>34622176He's right tho. Even bodybuilders like Sam Sulek admit this, everyone knows that it is boys who compliment other boys on their gains. You can look on YouTube at reactions from men and women towards body builders. Gym rotting is just cope.
>>34622174Do you mean like ballroom dancing? That's the only type of dance I would be interested in as I also play piano and ballroom fits with its classy style.
>>34620667i've never seen anyone who answers this get a positive reply no matter what number they give. its a dishonest non-question only posed to shift blame onto the guy.
You fell into the gymcel trap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4-r53FuTQ
>>34620620Sexuality has nothing to do with it. Most men would rather be the hot guy who doesn't have to lift the finger as opposed to having to deal with the discomfort of approaching/rejection. The mistake guys like Op make is thinking getting fit will allow them to sidestep having to take risk.
>>34622176stonetoss has a kiwi farms thread and there's plenty to make fun of but he has at least 10 comic strips that are just on point
>>34623363Where's amogus? Did he stop making them?
>>34622989This, I've never seen a woman compliment a guy on his gains, if anything alot of women I've talked to are turned off by a meat head, but I've seen plenty of in shape guys and I often wonder how I can reach that point so if anything a guy will notice your bulk way before a woman does.
>>34621584Not only that but how much you wanna bet he's made no advance towards a woman either. You can't just expect a smile out the woman all the time, some are spergs, some are stuck up, some just are retarded with men, but regardless any type of friendliness of her part is a small window. It could be a hi, it could be you made her face change in some way that's not negative, hell sometimes even eye contact for a few seconds is an in. You can't pussy out though, engagement with women works on a seconds basis, miss it and your chance is done.
>>34620619The point of getting into shape is essentially the same as turning a malfunctioning device off and on again.It's the first step in figuring out what in the [age minus 2 years] you've been around has gone wrong for you to be a nonviable specimen because it addresses a host of mental issues.Next step would be taking mushrooms.2-4 grams.
>>34620636You aren't you just got rejected, move on to the next one
>>34621584>they care about your face and your height thoughIt's quite likely that he don't have any problems in those departments, since most people are close to average. The problem is that he doesn't even try to flirt with anyone.
>>34624289>compliment>talked toYou are a retard for paying attention to what women say which is never consistent with who they actually have sex with. Try observing ACTIONS. You would have to severely overdo bodybuilding to reach gymcel territory.
