>>34631585
is this you?

if yes why not hop on estrogen and embrace the looks

Looks do not matter. What matters is how you can help her have a good time when you are with her. There are guys who are skinny and fat who do that, and they get a ton of girlfriends. If you are someone who is a debbie downer, unless you are very pragmatic, you are extremely unlikely to get a girlfriend if you are very unfun.

dont listen to the retard on top of me. looks are the only thing that matter on dating apps. adjust the lighting on this photo and you wont look as skinny fat. buy some decent clothes too and go take pictures at the beach.

>>34631645
not you, but also, hit the gym and 1 extra protein scoop per day for like, 6 months and you will have like the ideal body type for most women these days. You aren't as far as you think.

>>34631645
To an extent anon. I doubt you know the value women have towards a guy who is openly honest and decent.

>>34631650
>the value women have towards a guy who is openly honest and decent

which is close to zero

>>34631663
Doubtful.

>>34631650
do you also believe in equality between men and women and weight over 180 lbs by any chance?

>>34631585
Dont hop on roids, hop on some peptides, do creatine protein shakes, but make sure to eat a lot of fiber. Its necessary for eating a lot of protein without digestive problems.

When working out the scientifically proven method is to go until failure. Aka keep doing reps until you physically can't anymore.

start or continue lifting weights, do not fuck yourself up by roiding.

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>>34631585
>Do I need to hop on roids
No, just go to the gym and lift heavy. You will gain anywhere from 15-25lbs of muscle within a year if you train and eat well. Roids will fuck up your organs, skin, and natural testosterone production indefinitely.
>>34631639
>Looks do not matter.
Consult the chart.

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>>34631585
I have a fit body but I'm not much bigger than you and I do worse when I show it on dating apps, fyi
Also see picrel
Some dating apps like bumble even forbid shirtless pics

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>>34631585
>>34631767
Also this is the type of girl I usually match with

>>34631767
the problem is that if youre not actually rich, making yourself look rich will backfire immediately. so id rather take pictures of me being jacked at a gas station than pretend and waste time anyway

>>34631775
No I mean that they did worse when they showed their bodies despite being /fit/
Bumble also doesnt allow shirtless pics for men for *some* reason, and I've seen bios on tinder comolaining about shirtless pics too

>>34631784
i dont mind that, wearing a slim fit black t shirt is perfectly fine to show how big you are, i was referring to parts where the guys wore suits and hung out at fancy places, showing that builds an expectation that you can take her to such places casually, besides it would attract the wrong crowd

>>34631650
>I doubt you know the value women have towards a guy who is openly honest and decent
im sure women can tell a lot about your personality just by looking at you. women never make the first move so theyll never understand how cold approaching works. LOOKS ARE THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS

>>34631585
Women hate roidcels, as do all who have a basic understanding of aesthetics.

>>34631792
Well there is dignity.

>>34631639
you seem like a guy whos chubby and your girlfriend has tattoos, correct?

>>34631918
No, I seem like a guy who is trying to problem solve a social situation.

>>34631923
whats a good time in your opinion, to have with a girl i mean

>>34631930
It's when she is willing to spend time with you without you trying too hard. If you have to hang out with your friends to see her she isn't the one. But if you can hang out with her alone with each other as much as possible that's different. I have yet to have that happen. I have never in my life seen a woman spend private time with me alone apart from escorts. It's really the only way you know a woman really loves you. Apart from that I got to deal with the usual shit from women where they wish I was gay and want to keep a pepper spray, tazer, and gun in their purse when I am near them.

>>34631585
>is it possible to attract women looking like this
If you're confident and funny, yes.
>or do i have to hop on roids
Roids will make you less attractive to women, not more.

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>>34631763
>Consult the chart.
I so wish people would stop posting that chart without understanding what it means or that the conclusion of the blog post in which it originally appeared was the exact opposite of what they think it was.

Here are the important graphs from the same source.

I have that exact body type but I’ve never took my shirt off infront of a woman so I wouldn’t know, if you have a good face and hair they will at least talk to you a lot and argue in front of you

>>34631585
>attract women looking like this
Why do you want women who look like this?

>>34632186
Most men who would make posts like this these days are closeted extreme-homosexuals.

>>34632008
>Roids will make you less attractive to women, not more.
Roids make you more attractive but your dick stops working

No retard. Skinnyfat is the least desirable physique

>>34631585
How about you just lift first?

>>34632015
Do you even know what that graph means retard

>>34631585
Roids workout lifting would just make you bloated. Literally just lift 4x a week for 35-45 minutes. It's not hard.

>>34631585
Do a couple pushups for heaven’s sake.

>>34631585
Start hitting the gym asap.
You need a year of progressive overload hard lifting. And a protein and fat rich low carbs. Carbs only around workout diet. 2100-2200 calories. Aim for 14,000 to 15,400 calories a week. While lifting.


In 1 month you will be more toned. In 3 you will look better. In a year you will look like a different person. It’s not easy. It’s a marathon. It takes time. You will be hungry. You will be sore and in pain. But you will be strong and look better than 80-90% of people. This shit on 4 Chan is all larpers and liars. If you go outside everyone is fucking fat.


Don’t listen to these people. This is a lifestyle change. It won’t take 1-2. Or even 6 months. It takes a minimum at least to completely change your physique. Can only gain .5-2 pounds of muscle per week. And that’s if everything is perfect. It’s a marathon.

>>34632368>>34631585
Typing too fast. Takes minimum at least a year. I used to look exactly like OP but worse. With a bone defect that makes my chest poke out. Now I literally look better than 60% of people. With 6 more months to go and I’m never stopping.

Went from curling fucking 25 pounds each hand thinking that’s strong. To doing 60 in each hand. Now I bench 245. And yeah it makes a huge difference. Women talk to me smile more often. Stare at my muscles come and get me to lift anything heavy. Call me strong etc. plus I get way more respect from men they don’t want issues with someone who’s strong and healthy.


It’s worth it.

>>34631639
>Looks do not matter
Ohhh shut the fuck up, Zach.

>>34632015
>I so wish people would stop posting that chart without understanding what it means
You could start by not doing what you accused others of. The dashed line shows how attractiveness ratings are distributed among users. The solid line shows where messages are sent. The dashed line shows that women rated most men as below average looking. OkCupid summarized this as women rating roughly 80% of men as worse than medium attractiveness. However, the solid blue line shows that women's messaging behavior was much less extreme. Women still sent plenty of messages to average and below average men. However, this does not mean they went on DATES with the bad looking ones. It just means that they look for validation across all ratings, but they only find the top 20% attractive.

>>34632368
>ou need a year of progressive overload hard lifting.

NTA but is this possible with home workouts/Calisthenics? I don't want to get crazy ripped, just the basic bitch standard thats enough to get women hot.

I'm a woman and I think you look good

>>34632428
>If I simply project my insecurities onto the data you'll see that it actually does still agree with me

>>34631585
I know a young woman that's dating a guy with that body type

>>34632241
>Roids make you more attractive
They do not. No woman finds steroid bodybuilder physiques attractive. They look deformed. And the texture of the skin is just vile.
>but your dick stops working
But that is true. They can make you infertile too.

>>34632761
People like you who think this are retarded. It's the same as women thinking they'll suddenly become big hulking bodybuilders if they touch a weight.
Do a *little* bit of steroids, for a couple of months. Make 5 years of normal progress. No woman would clock you as not natty just like no woman clocks any of the male actors they lust over as not natty.

>>34632428
The IMPORTANT point is the relationship between how highly someone rated a person's photo and the probability of them actually sending that person a message to start a conversation. If the two curves were identical, that would mean the probability of messaging was absolutely independent of photo rating.

On the women's graph, the two curves are almost identical; but on the men's the messaging curve is far higher than the rating curve towards the right hand end (and lower on the left). What that means is that men almost exclusively messaged women whose photos they rated very highly, but the chances of a woman messaging a man were almost completely independent of how she rated his photo.

In other words, the conclusion is the exact opposite of what incels try to use those charts to demonstrate.

Now, this wasn't exactly a scientific study, merely an OKCupid blog post; and you are free to claim that the "study" is bullshit if you wish. But immediately that gives you a problem: the study is either bullshit, or it's not. If the study is bullshit, then you cannot use charts taken from the study as evidence of ANYTHING. If the study is not bullshit, then you have to accept its conclusion that men are vastly more affected by physical appearance than women are. So regardless of whether the study is bullshit or not, EITHER WAY the charts this idiot >>34631763 was posting do not support his position.

>>34632414
What? Every woman is complaining everywhere they want a guy who is decent and human. There's something interesting to a woman with a guy who has lived a powerful life. That's why most of those guys have funny jokes, because they have powerful lives. Being a Chad is not about having powerful looks, but living a powerful life.

>>34632794
>Do a *little* bit of steroids, for a couple of months
Or you could just lift you fucking retard. Roiding because you compete on stage as a bodybuilder is one thing. Roiding just to achieve a middling gym-goer physique in less time is something else entirely, and it's pathetic.

>>34632906
Dude, worlds ending in a between 12 and 48 months. No time left for that shit if you wanna have any fun.

>>34632930
People have been saying this for the past 2000 years.

>>34632985
And this time it's true. So what?

>>34633002
>Two more weeks
Nothing ever happens.

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>>34633022
NTA, but he is right, I can feel it in my guts that something is about to happen. This time, it's fr.

>>34632906
This. It is moronic to sacrifice your lifespan and fertility as a DYEL just because you're too lazy and impatient to do it the right way. And you're not even getting anything out of it like you would if you were a pro bodybuilder or celebrity.

>>34631585
Lift weights without roiding, retard.

>>34633086
This, it's different this time.
You can tell that there's no off-ramp.

>>34633125
Absolutely, I feel it. A chilling in my stomach. What do you think it's coming?

>>34633298
I don't know. Things are going to start getting really bad in maybe 2 years once mass unemployment sets in and benefits start to run out.

>>34633319
I understand, but I feel other way. I think this Space X IPO is going to pop a huge bubble and a lot of people will lose a lot of money. I don't know when, but it will. I also feel like AI and Machine are going to dominate the human race somehow.

>>34633338
There is no AI or Machines dominating the human race. The human race is worthless to them and they will get rid of it. The only realistic path for the future is one where AI is considered a great filter level threat (it is), and it is banned with even more extreme measures than nuclear weapons. All AI models destroyed to the last bit and any hint of researching or training new ones is considered a crime against humanity and stopped immediately by force.
I don't know what will happen with the IPO, I don't think we'll know for 6 months. But I don't think SpaceX is legitimately the most valuable company ever like the stock and hype wants to suggest. Musks companies stocks have been totally divorced from reality for so long though that I've given up believing they trend towards reality. I don't think it's big enough to crash the AI bubble either way though. If it is, a new bubble will be invented to cover it up that will be 5x larger just like the last 4 or 5 bubbles.

>>34633319
Nah. Amerimutts just took the biggest L in WWII, are no longer a world power and once the AI bubble pops, they and their retarded communism tier hypercapitalism will be a thing of the past.

im female and my bf looked like this before we moved in together but a little skinnier, i would advise you to lower your body fat a little bit, and then you'll be a very desirable twink, just don't roid up, worst case scenario for most women especially if you're not already balding

So should you cut while working out to maintain and grow muscle?

>>34632930
>dyel incel is also a doomer
I don't know what else I expected.

>>34634412
I'm not an incel and I can lift more than you. But whatever helps you sleep at night.

>>34634423
>I can lift more than you.
lol
I've been lifting for longer than you've been alive lil bro.

Tall skeletons can pull women just fine. Short skeletons are like lepers though

>>34631639
go fuck yourself, looks are infinitely more valuable because women don't care about your personality if you look good
Women would rather be with a homeless crackhead who is tall and has a decent face than be a short guy who has the perfect personality and a lot of money

>>34631585
You just have to find girls that find you attractive. For example you're my type. I think if you hit the gym and became slightly more muscular you would make your potential dating pool larger.

>>34631585
masculine guys are appealing to women (big, strong, charismatic) in the same way feminine women are appealing to men (petite, small, kind)

>>34631585
Hop on estrogen