i need to make a thread for myself and all those who struggle with sleeping because sleep deprivation is destroying you, it makes you more depressed, more crazy, more horny. nothing is worth staying up late for. GO TO BED EARLIER! GO TO BED AT LIKE 9PM!i keep staying up scrolling and watching absolute shit, i know in part it is my deepest inner drives searching for a mate, but i won't find her if i am sleep deprived and retarded.sleep is the major factor in most of my emotional problems. GET MORE SLEEP.
I work 12 hour shifts 4-6 days a week, that ain't happening anytime soon.
>>3463229824-12 hours = 12 hours2 hours to travel and do some basic shit, before and after work12-4=8 hours to sleepit can be done.but fortunately i am not you and i have a normal job and can sleep normally but lose my mind after 11pm for some fucking reason.
>>34632296Yeah sleep problems can make you go insane but trust me it's really not about the time you spend asleep, you moreso need to flip some switch in your brain where you say ok now I really rest and do nothing for a day or two. You can't force rest, you have to deliberately do nothing for a while. And if that doesn't work for some reason, sleep less hours and do sports or something that makes you tired. If you are addicted to doomscrolling just try to push it back to as late in the day as you can, it's much harder to stop if you've already doomscrolled that day
Reminder that sleep threads are psyops.
>>34632349That's crazy. And what exactly is being op'ed into my psy?
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>>34632296>phone in bed fucks me up every timeleave it on the other side of the room
>>34632296>GO TO BED EARLIER! GO TO BED AT LIKE 9PM!This is horseshit advice. Go to bed when you are tired and make incremental changes to your sleeping time every day (maybe 15 minutes earlier?) until your sleeping schedule matches with both an adequate amount of sleep and for your job/training/school. If you go to sleep when you are not tired, you are guaranteeing yourself a sleepless night or a night of terrible sleep, tossing and turning in your bed trying to nod off. Subsequently, you will associate your bed as a place where you ought to be awake, making it more difficult to sleep. I would know; until a few days ago I was getting to bed at awful times, like 1 or 2am. So I decided to get to bed at 12am one night instead, and guess what? I had an entire Friday and weekend (72 hours) where I slept for only 8 hours in the afternoons of the day and had 2 all-nighter benders nearly in a row due to the subsequent adrenaline spikes at night from associating my bed with wakefulness. I'm only now recovering from the complete insomniatic hellhole that occurred.Importantly, you should also dim your lights and the like before going to bed (like an hour before); get the screens out of your face an hour before as well. If you can't sleep after 20 minutes in bed, get out of bed and do something like making a peppermint (or other non-caffeinated) tea or reading. Have a shower that is hot to dilate your blood vessels if you can as well. You can also put on something like white noise, rain sounds or a boring/calming podcast on to get to bed (that one I've done practically every night for 3 years, though it will take some getting used to).
>>34632445Not sure if it's the radiation or the removal of possibility of incoming messages, but putting my phone into airplane mode and turning off my router/wifi makes me sleep a lot better. The unconscious feeling of anybody being able to reach into your room through the phone any time probably fucks up our stress systems more than we realize.
>>34632566>anybody being able to reach into your room through the phone any time probably fucks up our stress systemsIt does, I read years ago of some sleep researcher who said just that
>>34632518>>34632928Quality advice right here.Also to add to everything, consider rearranging the room in a more protective way. Our lizard brain craves safety. Think about your room as if it's PUBG, put your bed in a position where you are far from sources of danger (doors/windows) but also able to survey these entry point. Cliff Tan is mega gay but has some good advice on bedroom arrangements.
>>34632518>This is horseshit advicethankyou for telling me what your post is going to be, i can now ignore it and use my time more wisely.
welp, another late night but in my defense i was out socializing with the bros, drinking late into the night.tonight i will get to bed early. i can fall asleep easily it's just getting myself into a routine, you know? my current one is to check the clock and see it is about 9 or 10pm, then think, ok i have time to finish this one more task/reading/video but then it gets to 11pm and somehow after 11pm i forget sleep exists.
>>34632566>>34632928did some reading.the definite correlation between phone-next-to-pillow and poor sleep is good to knowairplane mode wasn't a big part of the study but the logic there is solidradiation info is kinda sketchyheavy duty signals like radio towers, sat phones, military stuff, can hurt you - but only at very specific frequencies or high dosesthe broad spectrum and low power of household goods isn't nearly as bad as very high altitude
>>34635359radiation exposure scales with inverse square law. Meaning double the distance, radiation drops 75%. 10 cm under pillow vs 1 meter away on table reduces radiation by 99%. Of course, it depends on what the threshold for fucking with your biological function is, for example, if the exposure is already 1000 fold above the threshold, then you need further reduction, so it's hard to say. But the point still stands, just get it out of the immediate vicinity for the largest benefit.
>>34632296Oh that's genius OP. So what you're saying is that what I have to do to get more sleep is to get more sleep.You should write make a thread, give seminars. Attention all tired people, all you have to do to fall asleep is lie in ya bed!
>>34632296For the first time in my life, I've been having trouble sleeping. I can fall asleep fine, it's staying asleep that's the problem. I was waking up sweating 5-6 times a night, blood tests show nothing wrong. I changed my diet and sleep habits, nothing helped. I take meds now and they work, but the side effects are absolutely awful. I feel just as bad as I did on a couple hours of sleep. I don't know what to do. I feel like I'm stuck in a paradox. If I don't take the meds I don't sleep, if I do, I sleep, but feel awful. Either way, I'm absolutely miserable, never been worse.
>>34635715Can't judge your situation but usually I don't have sleep problems and what you're describing sounds like what I have in particularly stressful times
>>34635387This.I've spent the last week lying in bed awake for eight hours a night.I haven't actually slept in five days now, just lay there.>But your phoneDon't own one.
>>34635387>>34635801you two have different problems to me, you have insomnia, i have distraction.>>34635715similar to this guy, different problem, my problem is discipline. yours is different.i strongly suggest all of you have a long hard look at your lives because when you can't GET to sleep or STAY asleep, it is because you are sleep walking through your life.I've experienced that in the past, and i don't experience it now, in the past i was ignoring things, truths, facts about how i was being treated, how i felt deep down, what i was doing wrong in life.When i allowed myself to feel, when i stoped lying to myself, when i told people "no, you're treating me like shit and i'm not taking it anymore" i never slept better, and the fucking DREAMS. wild dreams about traveling, train tracks and trains and vast open oceans. all pretty obvious metaphors.I can't tell you what is going on for you, only you can answer that, but when you stop sleepwalking through your life and act or acknowledge what you truly feel, or change what you are doing or stop letting someone treat you badly, you will sleep soundly again.it's like pic rel, it might be unpleasant, what you have to do, but on one side you suffer for nothing, on the other side you suffer and get something good.
>>34635715Probably eating modern recommended trash diet or worse, and your HP bar has finally hit zero, insulin resistance has hit critical level, and some of your organ is giving the stop signal. Time to start healing. You'll heal the fastest with keto/carnivore/low carb, whole foods diet, though in my experience, zero carb while fixing everything else, made my sleep worse. This is easily fixed by just having some carbs in the evening. Most meds are just gonna fuck you up further in the long run.
>>34635891Thank you dr chatgpt.
>>34635778I can't say I'm particularly stressed, but I am unhappy with my life. Though I'm powerless to change it.>>34635844Yeah, as I said, I'm unhappy with my life but with no way out. It's been like this for a very long time. These sleep issues are a new development. Can't say that I think it's the root cause, though I'm sure it's not helping.>you are sleep walking through your life.It's funny you say that. I feel so fatigued all the time that every day feels like a waking dream. Sometimes I get to work and don't even know how I made it there safely.>>34635891I've completely switched up my diet from before I've had these issues, and am probably eating the healthiest I ever have. No change. I used to eat 1000+ calories of high-carb, high-sugar snacks a day. Now, I've cut out added sugars pretty much completely and avoid slop and fast food at all costs. I tried going low carb, but it made me feel even more fatigued. I eat a moderate amount of carbs and always pair it with a healthy amount of protein to help blunt any insulin spike that it would cause. I'm 5'10" 143lbs so it's not like I have weight issues or anything either. Changing my diet did nothing for me unfortunately. And yes these meds are awful. Definitely not a long-term solution.
>>34635844I mean I just happened to see this thread and thought the reference was appropriate. I do in fact have sleep problems though, tend to only get six hours. I've got all manner of issues with my brain. Well my body at large but whatever gut or body chemistry issues I can speculate I have, the relevant point is my head doesn't even like the pressure of my pillow. One of my worst symptoms is a sort of neck stiffness. -but there's nothing I can do to take better care of myself, I'm too stupid to function and already I eat the plainest healthiest food imaginable just to not feel sick.I'd love nothing better than to sleep more, getting to be able to sleep was one of my only comforts in life. I admit to staring at my phone all night depressed but that's because it's a decided thing, sleep isn't going to take anyway, I can't get comfortable and will it.
>>34636653>unhappy with my life but with no way outthat kills people in fucked up waysthis is the most uncertain time in history, and power changes hands in uncertain timesare you really just going to perish?
>>34636808Side note, I fucking love Home Movies. Man, I'd be getting 3-4 hours of sleep on a school night because Adult Swim was so fucking cozy I let it eat my sleep time, even as the programming looped. -and it was my time to have that I didn't want to let go of before I woke up to school being the opposite, the sadness of my life. I miss when I liked TV too.
>>34632296Stop stalking me
>>34636880i miss cartoon network after school too.regarding pillows, have you tried latex rubber core ones? they are super good, still breathable and feel like sleeping on air.used to be made by dunlopillow, i think reylon make them now? they are the same though. they come in two thicknesses btw, thin and thick iirc."normal" pillows destroy my neck and feel like stone by comparison.
>>34636853>are you really just going to perish?All I can do is LDAR. I'm out of any other options at this point. I don't really know how to feel about about it anymore. Walking around in a state of perpetual fatigue wears you down very quickly. It's left me unable to do anything other than rest in my free time. The state of the world is of no concern to me.>>34632296>makes you more hornyHonestly I've had the opposite effect. I have 0 desire for sex at all, due to my sleep issues.
>>34638924weird, whenever i don't sleep enough all my emotions are higher, more depressed, more horny, more everything but happy really.>Walking around in a state of perpetual fatigue wears you down very quickly. It's left me unable to do anything other than rest in my free time.fuck me i relate hugely, get your thyroid checked, i am seriously thinking of self medicating for it, doc won't give me anything because i'm just a tiny bit under the threshold for meds ... but yeah makes constant fatigue and cold hands/feet/bad cold tolerance.
>>34632296>because sleep deprivation is destroying youIt's true, but so is the shit causing it, mainly my soul crushing anxiety inducing work.>Just get another jobI wish, there's fuckall that's different that I can get
>>34638978what do you do?
>>34632296you're a filthy nigger you know that? I force myself to wake up at 5 am (even if I didn't get a single second of sleep the whole night). I keep myself busy, I do exercise and eat a perfect diet. I take melatonin, valerian, magnesium before bed. I avoid screens hours before sleep, I have the perfect conditions for sleep, cold,dark room, I do everything right. and yet I still. cannot. sleep.you fucking nigger with your shit normie advice "GO TO BED EARLY ^w^, ish good for helth friend!!!" GO KILL YOIRSLED GPS KIL YORUSELF I FUCKING DESPISE YOU JUMO OFF A CLIFF
>>34638957>get your thyroid checkedyeah, I for sure thought it was my thyroid too. I got labs done and my TSH was completely normal. Also got lipids, A1C, fasting glucose, creatinine, and a bunch of other stuff checked, all normal. I'm not sure where to turn now. I seem to be out of options. I'd be interested to hear if your self-medication works if you manage to go through with it. I take an anticholinergic to stop my night sweats, but the side-effects are very hard to deal with.
>>34632296I sleep too much ask me anything. My problem is your solution.
>>34637951I dunno what you're describing, I guess not. I've tried different consistencies of pillows but I doubt there's a trick to spare the weight of my head hurting itself. I do often get to imagining a sort of net to hammock my head, somehow distribute the pressure evenly and cradle it. Rare times I do get a deep and satisfying sleep I think it's because I happened to find a sweet spot on the corner of my skull to bear the load.All that said I still have several other issues where sleep gives me whiplash on my health or I simply can't be made ready to pursue it.
