>>34634655
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>How do i become "normal" and actually learn how to talk to women?

By talking to them.

And learn how to talk in general - you talk in a tailored way to any individual person, not just woman vs everyone else, but everyone is their own distinct entity that falls in particular categories, sometimes more generically and sometimes more uniquely.

Treat everyone as an individual versus separating women out from everybody else, unless you only have a specific purpose like trying to have sex with them or something, then that's something else entirely. And actually might even be easier because it's even more formulaic with obvious objectives that can be measured and tuned for.

Considering you haven't laid out any express purpose, we can assume this is not the case for you. It sounds more like, how do you talk to women without dropping spaghetti everywhere or something. In which the first step is to just treat them as an individual where you can learn things from, rather than some kind of hierarchical violation where your existence is an unworthy cockroach stain.

>I've been accused of stalking girls I didn't even talk to and I've been told I'm creepy and Weird to be around and overall people seem to be off-put from me

Well if you didn't actually stalk them, then they are the ones at fault here spreading false accusations and slanderous rumours.

>single conversation with anyone attractive without making a fool of myself.

Train to have a sharper eye so you notice both attractive and unattractive qualities in people, not just boxing them as completely one or the other according to what conventional standards (which are often dysgenic btw) tell you to think.

>>34634804
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>I've also been told I bring up rape and gore too often

Wow you're so edgy and cool and impressive, anon!! Rape and gore!!1! Here have a cool kids club badge of edgy eckslusive sekrit klub 4chan trophy!!1!1!

I suggest you stop leaning into that and build an actual personality based off actual world experiences and not posturing and trying to seem dark and edgy and part of the sekrit kool kid's klub le omgg.

Fuck I'm a verbose cunt!!

>>34634655
> I'm short, autistic, and ugly
Its over. This piece of shit deterministic hell is designed so that you will never have a chance to reproduce. Just do what makes you happy. It wont matter either way. I also recommend buying some cheap whore just to get it over with, assuming you are still a virgin.

>>34634655
not even joking, charisma on command. especially his newer stuff, the paid course is worth it too.
it explains how people work and how you should behave accordingly.

>>34634655
Join and hang out in mixed-gender groups whee the girls are just part of the gang and become less scary.

Stop trying to interact with neurotipical girls cause they can't fully grasp our ways of communication and socialising.
Search for ADHD/ASD/AUDHD groups/events on facebook and get out and meet people with the same brain structure. You have a higher chance to date if they are neurodivergent.
Rape and gore are not the best subjects for the first dates, but I somehow get you cause probably it's your special interest and you do constant research.

>>34634655
>I've also been told I bring up rape and gore too often
by 'too often' I assume you mean 'more than zero times'? because yeah, you're going to been seen as weird and creepy by pretty much any normies if that appears even semi-regularly in your conversation. I mean how difficult is it to not mention rape or gore? Like I never find myself thinking 'FUCK I was talking about rape and gore in the break room at work again, gotta remember!'

>>34634866
I looked up charisma on command and it’s monkey worship. Disgusting.

>I've been accused of stalking girls I didn't even talk to and I've been told I'm creepy and Weird to be around and overall people seem to be off-put from me
if this is true either you are unlucky, everyone around you is an ass, or you are in fact weird as fuck. in all three cases it's not really your fault but in the first two you just need to try more, whereas in the third case there's no easy solution, it's a long process of building relaxed, easy, and also sensitive qualities in your mind and character.
>I've also been told I bring up rape and gore too often
a single time is one too many so yeah for you to be told that i imagine you do bring them up at least multiple times which would be doing you no favours.

>>34634655
>I've also been told I bring up rape and gore too often
Lol. Well, I've posted in worse bait threads...

>>34635842
How would him being "weird as fuck" not be his fault? Whose fault is it then?

>>34635895
do you think anyone's weird on purpose? what would be the benefit of that? and if they are not doing it on purpose, how is it their fault?
generally speaking people are the way they are because of their circumstances. so in OP's case it seems that 1) he was born with some kind of neurodivergency which makes him an natural outlier and 2) this neurodivergency encountered an environment that encouraged him to be even less adaptive (because as we know, some neurodivergent people can do quite well socially).
so it's not OP's fault. not really, as I said.
we do have human freedom and we use it to make choices that we are responsible for within the circumstances we find ourselves. but we don't get to control these circumstances. we choose what we do, but not who we are. and being weird and acting weird in public is kind of down to character and how people are, it's not a rational decision like enlisting in the military or killing someone or doing volunteer work for a charity.

>>34635926
>do you think anyone's weird on purpose?
Uh, yes? 100%.
>generally speaking people are the way they are because of their circumstances.
This is a massive cope. Yes, circumstances and environment play a massive role in who we become. But not all of it. There's always a failsafe, a part where each individual person can just stop and say no. Anyone with a bit of strength and self-awareness should be able to say, "no, I won't let the people in my environment define me". Or, "no, I won't let my neurodivergence beat me and completely take over my life".
>it's not a rational decision like enlisting in the military or killing someone or doing volunteer work for a charity.
Talking about rape and gore in polite company is very much a conscious choice on OP's part. I mean, if it wasn't just bad bait and actually happened. Which it didn't. But some of you retards on this board probably have been in that exact kind of situation and dug your own social graves. How easy it is to then turn around and place all the blame on "le environment" but to me that's a cop-out.

>>34635942
>Uh, yes? 100%.
really? i've never met anyone like that.
>There's always a failsafe, a part where each individual person can just stop and say no. Anyone with a bit of strength and self-awareness should be able to say, "no, I won't let the people in my environment define me". Or, "no, I won't let my neurodivergence beat me and completely take over my life".
i get that and i partly agree and i used to see it the same way, but that's not really how it works. the past doesn't go away. if you have always been weird and never been normal, you are not just going to be able to snap your fingers and decide 'i want to be normal now, so i will stop saying dumb weird shit'. or 'i know my life was shit and made me depressed, but i will just not be depressed anymore'. if you have enough self-awareness and willpower you can make decisions on how to react to trauma, depression, poor social skills etc. but you can't just stop being that way. it's definitely not something that can be done quickly, i think a timescale of 2-3 years would be very very fast in such cases.
>Talking about rape and gore in polite company is very much a conscious choice on OP's part.
for you and me, yes, because that's abnormal to us, so why would we do something weird like that? but apparently it's normal to OP, because OP is (presumably) weird. this difference in standards for what is normal is what can be hard to change, even if tomorrow he decides "i have to watch myself and never speak of such things again", he will still instinctually get the desire to say such things in conversation, and if he stops himself, he may not know what to say. and even then, he will probably get the thought to say such things in conversations, wasting valuable brainpower that someone else would be using to think up normal thoughts and say normal things that get them social approval. conscious will and unconscious character are connected, they affect each other. but the will doesn't have 100% control by default.

>>34635994
>really? i've never met anyone like that.
Really? I envy you then. I've met plenty.
>but you can't just stop being that way. it's definitely not something that can be done quickly,
I never said it would happen quickly. It's a process. For some it may be a lifelong journey. But it doesn't mean they shouldn't try (or that they can't). Also, and this may be because I'm older than most people on this board, but I don't see 2-3 or even 5 years as a very long time. Not in the big picture. Hell it might take 10. So what? Those 10 years will pass either way, might as well make the most of them.
>for you and me, yes, because that's abnormal to us, so why would we do something weird like that?
Well yeah, exactly. For me, you, and 99% of normal society. And this is very much a "majority rules" situation. Whether that is fortunate or unfortunate is up to each individual to decide.
>but apparently it's normal to OP, because OP is (presumably) weird
Well, there you go. Like I said. But the reality is this: if OP simply cannot help himself from bringing up rape and gore in polite company, especially around women, and furthermore has no inclination to even try not to, then I'll keep it real. He doesn't deserve that gf he wants. And he won't get one either, so all is right with the world on that front.
>and if he stops himself, he may not know what to say
Then he can always say nothing. Nothing isn't bad, it's neutral. And for OP, neutral sounds like a step up. Ever hear the old saying, "better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"?
Except in this case, it's not being a "fool". It's being a gorehound who comes off as a possible budding rapist. Anyone who treats real life like they're on /b/ and /gif/ will not find the social success they're looking for. And yes that is 100% within anyone's capability not to do. And if they really truly couldn't, they'd be locked up in prison and/or a mental institution.

>>34636015
OP has a bad reputation probably. Is moving the only way to fix that? How would he navigate someone finding out about his past?

>>34636023
>Is moving the only way to fix that?
It might, sure. But if OP keeps those same behavior patterns as before, it won't be long before his old reputation follows him to his new area.

>>34636015
i don't want to blackpill in OP's thread, especially because no one knows how much time such a thing would take. but i know some people in their 50s and 60s now who are getting worse with time instead of better. so it's by no means a guarantee that someone will just improve, or that they will be able to do it even in 10 or 20 years. some people change radically in a few months, others in a few decades, others not much even then.
i am not telling OP to blame society or whatever. i am just telling him that it's not his fault he's like this, he didn't do anything wrong, he didn't choose this for himself. so he should be kind to himself, not blame himself, and just work for a better future, in whatever way he understands that.
>and furthermore has no inclination to even try not to
well, this thread would suggest otherwise, since he did mention this as relevant information for us to consider. so i think most likely he just need be told that this is weird to realise it, and now he can start grappling with the issue. assuming that its not bait of course. i like helping people as much as i can so it would be sad if this is bait and our time is wasted.
>And if they really truly couldn't, they'd be locked up in prison and/or a mental institution.
you'd be surprised. at least posters on those boards aren't violent criminals. there are a number in my area that walk free and are violent, and everyone knows it, but nothing is done about it. but i digress.

I haven't read any of the other advice so if I am repeating what someone has already said i'm sorry.
This is advice coming from a woman. (I feel like I might get insulted but whatever)
First of all yeah, you might want to avoid violent subjects, with whoever you are talking to male or female unless you have known each other for awhile and the other person isn't uncomfortable with it.
Try to make friends with guys who have girlfriends or guys who have big friend groups, having a good circle of social people around you who know how to talk to others, can give you proper advice and who will listen to you is important. Don't focus too much on women, sure most people want to be in a relationship and it can be frustrating but honestly don't worry to much about it.
Also being "ugly, short and autistic" really doesn't matter. As long as you are clean (i understand this is hard for some people because I have phases where I struggle with showering and brushing my teeth, sometimes I go weeks or months without and yeah obviously no one wants to talk to me) remember to take a shower at least everything your going to be in a social setting and brush your teeth aswell before. Greasy hair is unpleasant, wash it when you shower, try using a bodywash that smells good, men's usually is something like pine or whatever but even if it's not a typically "masculine" smell it's fine, if you smell good and look clean people will want to socialise more with you. Being autistic i assume doesn't help with picking up on social cues and such, this is why you should try to make a few good close male friends, they will be able to give you advice, and tell you what things to pick up on. Trying to make friends with similar interests is the best thing to do at first because you'll have things to talk about (except if those things are gore and rape obviously at first that might come off as weird) [the rest is in a reply]

[The rest] for example i play mtg so I usually try to socialise with people who play so we have a common interest and an activity to do together. This is applicable to women too.
If you try to approach women in public, asking for their number and such, make sure she has friends with her, since you think you generally come off as creepy if she thinks you're praying on she'll say no for sure, if she is surrounded she will probably feel less uncomfortable. If several people say no, it's fine, don't get discouraged, don't feel bad about yourself or angry at them because honestly it's got nothing to do with either party. When approaching women try to do it at organised events, like conventions or a friend meeting, if you have no good friends who invite you to places that's fine, go to social events that surround a niche you enjoy or a theme because that garantees a common interest you can start the conversation around, honestly from the bottom of my heart most women DO NOT give a shit about what you look like if you are polite and interesting (when it comes to interactions) if you go to a convention for instance and a woman you find attractive is in cosplay or whatever, go up to her and talk about the character she is cosplaying, if you don't know it, ask her about it. Do not start the conversation with asking for a picture (this only works in this context but you get the gist) try just starting up a conversation that she wants to engage in because she is interested in the topic, when socialising, at first, it is good to prioritise the other person's interests. If she is uncomfortable, don't give her time to find an excuse to leave, leave first. This will make you seem like someone who is not a creep, signs that the other person is uncomfortable could be awkward laughing (if she laughs in the same exact way quietly at everything you say), leaning away from you, trying to say goodbye in a way that isn't rude and things like that. [The rest is also in the answers]

>>34634655
Get off the net. Go live in a hostel.

[The rest.2]
If you don't know/ can't tell if she is uncomfortable just ask: "are you uncomfortable, do you want me to leave?" Try to say this in a genuine way so she doesn't think you're threatening and say that she isn't to avoid angering you. Whatever you do, do not get upset at rejection. Being rejected is fine. It happens to even the handsomest of men and prettiest of women i promise.
If you manage to get a woman's phone number or have started talking to someone, don't send a message instantly, maybe send a text the next day if it was in the evening and in the evening if it was during the day (for if you get a number). Send a cordial message and if you get no reply, again, that's okay (if you get an answer try talking about light subjects like regular small talk, or something about a common interest you might have).
If there is someone in your circle (if you have one, if you don't that's fine) who you are interested in, don't try to force interaction on to them, great them make small talk, but also let them come talk to you from time to time. If they don't come to you or don't want to that's fine, they are not interested in you, don't insist.

I have nothing left to say good luck on finding a girlfriend and socialising.

>>34634655
Take estrogen and you can be as weird as you want