Can I learn how to play the piano and the violin by myself if I have low IQ? How so? I never really tried hard to learn it, but whenever I try to learn it by myself, I give up. I can't really afford lessons, and to me all resources seem to think you already know the basics. They start talking about posture and whatnot, which seems something a beginner would need to learn, but then they jump to the practice as if you already know what to do. I was reading this paragraph from a PDF and it said: Five-finger hand shape on C major (no thumb-under yet), both hands separately.What the fuck is a major? I know what a note is, and that C is a note, are majors a group of notes like C, D, E, F, G, A, B? I felt so frustrated that I gave up again. I have no perseverance, please, help me, anyone will do, I just want to play things I like.
>>34636957Just get a teacher bro
>>34636962>Just get a teacher broAre you a retard? I just told you I can't afford lessons.
>>34636964Didn't read bro
>>34636966Then fuck you.
>>34636957>I have no perseveranceThat's your problem. Things take time. Stop looking for cheat codes.
>>34636977>That's your problem. Things take time. Stop looking for cheat codes.I'm not looking for cheat codes you imbecile. Can't you see I can't even start? I reached a plateau right at the start.
>>34636977Do you even play any instrument? No? Get the fuck out of my thread.
>>34636968Could you at least save up for one or two lessons? That way you can get started properly. Your teacher can work around your limited time with them and even give you practice plans or a sense of direction.
>>34636957See if you can find a copy of the Piano Adventure books. Starts at level 1a and goes up from there. Bare minimum get the Theory book and the Lesson book. Theres another set by the same company that is tailored towards adults, but i havent used it myself so i cannot say how useful it would be for you. If you ever get the chance to have someone else be there who knows a thing or two about music, they can help to point out important stuff and help guide your learning so you're not flying blindly.
>>34636957Strong will power
>>34636992>Could you at least save up for one or two lessons?I mentioned above, I am dumb, I don't have money. Can't you understand? It won't be just two lessons, they will rip me off. I'll be there for a year paying tuition after tuition without learning how to play twinkle twinkle little star. I want to do it on my own, by myself, if someone can give me tips, help me, free classes anything will do. I don't care if it takes me 10 years, I want to learn it, I have the drive. The problem is: I can't start, I don't understand what I'm doing, it's like giving a machine gun for a toddler to operate it.
>>34637006Also, I'm a "thirdie worlder," I don't even know where to find anyone that plays it and is certified to teach me.
>>34636994>Piano Adventure booksDoesn't this dude has a YouTube teaching his series? Honestly, that's what kills my drive, learning child's play, I don't want to learn twinkle twinkle or whatever. I just wanted to play Bach, Chopin, Schuman and songs I like. Whenever they come up with these methods for children, it kills my drive.
>>34636957>ANDNo. Choose one. You can choose violin and learn some piano to understand it. You will figure it out in the process. If you play too much videogames, don't do violin, your hand is already fucked from carpal tunnel.The learning itself is mostly the same as learning a language. You get an alphabet of 12 letters, You get to recognize speech patterns, you recognize those in writing, the writing system is difficult to recognize at first. Producing speech is yet another skill. Finally you learn to speak words and phrases, and finally manage to talk through music with others who do the same.A typical weekly japanese course takes 4 years to get you to 4th grade. If you practice music weekly, or daily even, and learn new things each week you may take as long to be a great musician.If you make it your life and daily bread, maybe you will take a year. Good rest and practice over months are part of the learning process because you're working nerves in your brain and muscle development. Just like working out there's diminishing returns to what you can learn in a single day.
>>34637010My condolences.
>>34637046>My condolences.Thank you. I needed that.>>34637040>If you play too much videogames, don't do violin, your hand is already fucked from carpalI don't play vidya. I will try both, I think I can manage if I try my best.Guys I'm gonna sleep, keep the thread open, pleaaaaaase! I need, I need, I need. I'll ask questions later when I wake up. It's pretty late already.
>>34636957>>34637040You really should get a teacher after all, posture is important to prevent injuries and develop the muscles you need. Teachers help to kickstart theory as well, you would benefit to join a music club at college or even get advice from musicians. Go to a live event and talk with the band, they're skilled and respected but they're as much beggars and dogs as you are.I'll give you a pointer. Wikipedia tends to get way too technical and theoretical, while youtube tutorials tend to be too basic to retain viewers. Look specifically for music theory videos.A scale is a set of notes used as template in a determined culture, eg Pentatonic and Heptatonic ones. The Diatonic scale is one of the latter and serves as the template for most western music. Its seven distinct notes plus the starting note in the next octave make 8 sounds, pick only a half and you get a Tetrachord. Notice the steps skipped in the 12 notes that compose each, these are the building blocks of the scale. Tone-Tone-semitone, tone between tetrachords, and T-T-ST again, is what builds the C Major scale, AKA Ionian mode. Same pattern starting from a different note is called changing Key, Starting the pattern from the second or other step is called changing Mode. You change modes to help compose, because the tetrachord sequence feels sadder, angrier or mellower as you play them.
>>34636957Just learn lots if ez songs on piano. The more the better. Not even full songs, just parts. Get familiar with what parts of the piano make what sounds. Get comfortable playing something, anything. Then once all your ez things are too ez, move up to stuff that sounds more complex. And so on and so on. Eventually you'll be comfortable playing piano. Maybe not good, but comfortable. Then keep going. It'll take years
>>34637025You don't even know what a major chord is. Those children are better than you. If you don't want my advice as a pianist of 20 years why the hell would you even ask. Do you actually want to learn Piano or are you just trying to larp by playing something that you memorized on the piano?
>>34636957learn the blues (on piano) in every key violin is too fucking hard to keep in tune.
this is the advice board, not the reassurance board, you filthy retard
>>34637146>As a pianist of 20 yearsLmao and why do you think that's any authority? You spent 20 years as a pianist, how many years did you spend as a student? You're a shit teacher, only someone who spent a lot of time not knowing shit eventually knows how to learn effectively. Come back when you learn 20 different skills for a year each.
>>34636981Starting something new is hard for literally anyone. Why are you complaining that you're experiencing the same thing
Left hand: play A, G, F, E one after the other, over and over at about the same tempo of your heartbeatRight hand: you can play any of the following notes in any order anywhere to the right of where your left hand is: ACDEGThe trick is to keep the steady pattern on your left hand while playing those notes freely on your right hand.
>>34637203I am a piano instructor. I was giving advice that I would give to anyone wanting to learn and it was totally discarded on the basis that "thats what they teach kids." Hope you get better at the piano soon, anon. Good luck lmao.
>>34637337>I am a piano instructor of 20 yearsI really doubt. But I accept your good luck though it doesn't come from a real desire of wishing me good luck.
>>34637313Thank you
>>34637146>Those children are better than youI never said they weren't. I said I don't want to play children's songs. Can't you understand this basic sentence?>>34637203This is not me, but he is right.
>>34636957i learned by myself and im pretty good now after like 12 years. each 'position' on the violin corresponds to a degree of the g major scale since the instrument itself begins with the open g. thus 1st position has the index finger over the 1st fingered note of the scale and the rest of the fingers hold the frame of the subsequent notes. the pattern for a major scale is WWHWWWH where W means whole step and H means half step. by repeating this pattern in different positions you get all of the major scales. c major is actually pretty hard on the violin because it begins in 5th position if starting from the low C so i recommend starting with G major or A major because they begin open string. look up violin fingerboard charts on google images or even get some fingerboard tape to mark off the positions.
>>34638480My friend, I love your enthusiasm, and I am grateful for this comment, but to me, it's like you're speaking Koine Greek. I cannot possibly understand quite well what you're talking about.
>>34638480Would you mind telling me how you started? Did you learn just the violin or also the piano?
>>34638510just violin i found piano too hard. i started when i was like 17 but had to use a viola at first until i bought my violin at a pawn shop at like 19, basically just watched youtube tutorials at first and tried to copy what famous violinists did and when i felt good in my technique i started learning a few easy pieces from sheet music like some of the bach partitas and some fiddle tunes like the rights of man, spent time doing carl flesch scale exercises and jakob dont and franz wohlfahrt etudes, then after some years i finally started to take on student concertos like bruch and rieding. it was a long and painful journey but now i can play in front of people with confidence.here's wohlfahrt no. 1https://vocaroo.com/1eaNFr2heht6
>>34638872>https://vocaroo.com/1eaNFr2heht6That's simply beautiful, I'll download it and use it as motivation, I wish I could get to this level. Are you able to read sheet music? I have this problem in which I keep forgetting what I learned, so if I learn anything without sheet I forget after a little while, if I learn sheet music, can I play through sight reading? How does that work?
>>34638883sight reading is a big weakness of mine so i usually rely on memory once i've learned all the notes, but yes people who can sight read can play pieces they've never seen before just by reading the music on the spot unless it's like a really hard showpiece or something with lots of accidentals that makes it really hard to sight read
>>34636957yes, objectively. the best person at piano in my grade school had down syndrome
>>34636957I don’t know anything but ain’t the sharp just the next black key up? Like an a sharp and a b flat are the same?>>34637337I read both of your posts and still can’t play piano.
