>>34645088
I dont know why I wrote stereotypes, I meant archetypes; Rugged, Refined and Rakish. The idea is, that "the great male renunciation" has made it so only 3 archetypes "work" for men in fashion.
>Rugged
generally the mans man, requires that you hit the gym, get huge and generally exhibit highly masculine traits, works well if you're bald, less so if youre short etc
>Refined
wears a suit or similar, expensive watches and pieces, a gentleman etc, you know the type
>Rakish
The one that is hardest to pull off, but also the one that most women get wet over. Rebellious, devil-may-care kind of style, but also the most feminine. Near impossible to pull off if youre bald.

>>34645177
Everything you just said is by design. When your phone becomes your primary retreat, a device which the elite fully control, they effectively control you, turning you into a drone. The world is already overpopulated. Those who adapt will breed, those who dont turn into genetic endpoints. This way the elite breed the population into conformity towards digital slavery where they come out as the masters.

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> In 1927, he married Luella Strother, an owner of a farm and grocery store, after responding to her lonely hearts advertisement. Though now married, Powers took out his own lonely hearts advertisements. Many women wrote in response to his advertisement. "Postal records later indicated that replies to Powers' advertisement poured in at a rate of 10 to 20 letters per day."[3] Powers constructed a garage and basement at his home in Quiet Dell; the garage was later discovered to be the scene of the murders, of which he was convicted.
Sure was easy back in the day

>>34645213
>The Lonely Hearts ad from Detroit's American Friendship Society went as followed:
>"Wealthy widower," the ad read, "worth $150,000. Has income from $400 to $2,000 a month." His profession was listed as "civil engineer."
>"Own a beautiful 10-room brick home, completely furnished with everything that would make a good woman happy. My wife would have her own car and plenty of spending money. Would have nothing to do but enjoy herself."1
Ok he kinda lieded

Would you guys pursue a hottie for a long term relationship (and literally meet her in her own country), seems like it's a waste of money and effort, when she can literally get any other guy out there. But she's still open to the idea of seeing me. Is this extra cuck behavior. Any dude out there that tried and how it went after?

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>>34645177
We all know this already, so what do you propose we do about it? Me personally, will try and approach anyway

>>34645246
Long distance, I'm retarded

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>>34643650
I changed my mind. I’m not sad, I’m mad. Who the fuck sends a text like this. Either she went on four dates and planned a fifth with a guy she didn’t even like or she’s just being spiteful.

>>34645529
Forget about her, nothing of value was lost. Bitches be bitches, they ghost, flake last minute and have zero accountability whatsoever

> enter cafe with a date
>barista hits on me
>go back later that week
> barista spends her break with me, we make out and have a lot in common
>drop her off, don't ask for her number bc i gave her mine on a receipt earlier
>2 days and no text
>the cafe is an hour away
Should i call the cafe and just ask her out? By the way she was during the date i could have sworn she’d text that same day

>>34645547
If you're lazy for going out if your way to the cafe, yeah you can call and ask for her. Why not. Gl

>>34645581
Im too busy to spend 2+ hours on asking a woman out. My advice is everyone here should be too.
I figure maybe she lost the paper or is frozen about how great i am or shes got someone else over this summery weekend. I saw her put it in her pocket so i think shes just really crushing on me

>>34645613
Well bro, you're the one going to the cafe 1hour away. Yes, you can call and ask directly if you find it cute. Gl

>>34645138
Milfs owe me sex.

There are male pornstars like Jordi el Niño Polla, Juan el Caballo Loco, Ricky Spanish, Jodie Johnson, Elias Cash, Jimmy Michaels, Alex Jett, Sam Bourne, Tyler Cruise, Joshua Lewis, Parker Ambrose, etc. that get to have sex with milfs all day while incels wageslave to death in the trades.

Milfs owe me sex for all the suffering I've had to endure.

I'm done with pursuing women. I must not want it badly enough to do what it takes to get one. Some would call it three years of failure, I call it three years of interesting study about human interaction and mating rituals

>>34645547
>giving your number instead of getting hers
NGMI. Always get her number so you are in control of starting the convo over text.

>>34645705
>three year
>average anon here is pushing +15 years in the field
lmao
lol

>>34645711
from my perspective though that's too long in that it heavily outweighs the reward.
Obviously our values are all different but I'd be shocked if someone honestly said they did dating for 15+ years. Because you could have had a lot nicer things instead I'm just saying

>>34645744
Eventually, you realize, the grind never fucking ends. You can try to dull the mind with all kinds of shit, but you will always end up wanting someone to share the ride with. Giving up is fighting your nature, good luck with that.

Dressing up as a guy for a date seems very antiquated these days. More than once I've showed up in a polo or button-down shirt and the woman is rocking a hoodie and some leggings or some jeans and a T-shirt. I feel like it's hurting me more than helping at this point.
Whenever I'm dressed casual women seem more open while dressed up they clam up making it feel like an interview.

I thought I did but in reality it was obnoxious having a woman in my business. It was like the world just went away and everything became all about her.
Women also tend tell boring stories and they have a specific vocal frequency that demands attention and can't be easily tuned out.
Mostly I just wanted children out of it but I realized how much work it is, and I'm probably not ready anyway

>>34645529
Isn't the point of dating to figure out if you like each other and are compatible? What's the issue?

>>34645824
"I wanted to like you" is just a mean thing to say, as if she was forcing herself to be into this anon who apparently has no qualities she might like.

>>34645710
This is a great way to reduce your pool of potential dates. Women aren't handing out their numbers to randoms unless they're seriously into you. The potential risks for them are too high. Be a gentleman and offer your number. If you're pushy about getting her number she'll just walk away or give you a fake number and write you off as a creep. Softly softly catchee monkey.

>>34645845
I can definitely see how you'd read it that way. If you wanted to extend some grace and look at it differently, she might be saying she initially really liked you and hoped it would work out. I admit that's a really charitable interpretation and you don't owe her that much, but I wouldn't let it get under your skin.

>>34645857
>Women aren't handing out their numbers to randoms unless they're seriously into you.
Hard disagree. Many times I've gotten the numbers only to be ghosted on rejected in the first message. Part of the process. Plus at this stage women expect you to pursue, some might message you first, but most will wait for a message, no matter how much they are into you

How do I get over the hump of just getting laid for the first time in years? I'm quite attractive and i've been trying for a while but have had negative levels of success. No dating apps either, I don't have any good pics. the amount of failure I've endured just weighs on me in a way that i swear other people can sense and it creeps them out.

>>34646538
Get good pics.

Don't date women who put being shy above getting to know you. Women who put that little bit of extra effort to take a risk to know you are worth it. I know we all want to save a woman who wishes she had the man of her life, but a woman who is brave and not... Treating herself like a tortured woman, are worth it. You need Joan of Arc not a Hollywood Prima Donna. In many ways too rejection from brave women are worth it more, because they are brave enough to teach a man how to not act. Divas just throw temper tantrums and feel antagonized by everything. And it isn't just women that are divas as I've found a ton of men to be divas as well who freak out over little things. So again if you feel like you have to walk on eggshells with this girl who keeps trying to reject you, just let her be and ignore her and move on to find someone who appreciates you for you. Don't villainize her and don't antagonize her and don't speak of her like she is an awful person. It just was she got afraid of you because she can't accept the world isn't perfect and now you have to let her be to cool down and handle life moving forward.

>>34645857
When you give women your number they will just take it and never contact you or even chad, that's why guys get women's numbers. Women are just full grown children and listen to retarded tik tok advice

>>34646609
>Women are just full grown children and listen to retarded tik tok advice
It depends on the woman anon. I've seen men who act beligerant and would threaten you and beat you up if you joke about their shoes for example. Our entire world has put 1st world problems at the same level as 3rd world problems and it is a little bit fucked up.

Is it weird to send Hinge likes on mornings/during lunchtime or weekends?

>>34646630
Then do better and don't provoke them?

>>34646739
You do know the purpose of that was for you to learn, right?

>>34646755
Your gender gets raped from infancy(yum yum) to gray hair, and you want to teach me something? Lol. Lmao. Pathetic, barely sentient resource.

>>34646762
Okay.

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>posting again
What the best way to find and date older women? I'm a 21 year old khhv and a little bit of a hopeless romantic so I don't have much experience in dating

Is having no friends a hindrance to dating if I’m otherwise well put together? I used to have local workplace history and a group outside of work so I had a few acquaintances. In my new city I have neither of these, just one college friend I see once per year. Is this an issue? I have my parents and my brother’s family here so I’m not completely alone, I just don’t have bros.

>>34645710
Jokes on you she just texted me.

Also a lot of the time im successful i dont ask girls for their numbers until after we kiss or even fuck. If shes particularly touchy or eye fucking me ill tell her to follow my ig or give me her number, but i dont ask anymore, just elicit or order. Last night another girl added my insta after i told her to. She wasnt moving when i had ny hand on her knee,lots of eye contact, she hit me for a misogynist joke. All good signs. She even texted me first.
I actually ask for advice here to know what NOT to do

>>34646908
>she hit me for a misogynist joke.
what was it?

How do you do half of this shit if you're committed to being sober?

My mom guilted me into downloading Hinge and I ended up with six free months of HingeX premium. After 234 matches, 26 hours of scrolling per date, and $0 spent, I still only went on 7 dates with a 3% conversion rate and zero relationships, all while rehabbing a torn ACL and living out of a suitcase. The worst part is that premium actually showed me better matches but it just made me scroll more instead of going on more actual dates. Hinge is literally designed to keep you on the app, not get you off it, and honestly it worked on me. My take: save the $50 a month and spend it on something in real life where you might actually meet someone worth your time.

>>34646711
no i do that as well. it's like doing your dailies in online vidya

I fixed my profile and bought a boost (I know). So far have gotten 3 likes in 2 hours. Previously I had only gotten 2 in a month. Maybe it's not over for me...

>>34647220
100% real
The reason is pretty simple once you think about it though
It's simply because the cost is too low
Like if you spent 50 dollars at a restaurant or bar now a days that's like one day of going out
Wheras 50 dollars on an app promises you more but you have to invest with your time

Dating in real life is inherently more expensive and as a result better.
You don't want things to be accessible to the masses

You know what, the richest man in the world is autistic and he rips the nutsack off of every man in this world from how damn rich he is. I do not want to fucking hear any damn word from any autistic person here feeling like autism makes them weak.

Who is this Zach tripfag and can he be trusted?

>>34645177
I'd say you can find more content of people approaching girls than most any time in history

I don't think it's necessarilly that as the main problem

It all boils down to this:
Women don't trade sex for resources anymore
They trade time for it.
So, before marriage and relationships are a covert contract thata says: a woman will trade her time effort and sex for a guy's resources

Now whaat women are doing is trading sex for experiences:
Can this guy give me an experience or life that i can't get on my own?
I have money, I have safety, I have resources, can this man give me something I can't get on my own?
Like extremely beautiful children, or trips to Italy, or an extremely varied social life.
etc, etc

Men are still thinkinig like this:
If I work hard and achieve great things, I can get with a woman. But what are you truly offering?

The problem boils down to how men inherently are finding it harder and harder to give anything of value to women.
And that is simply due to economc and politcal reasons.
The more equality, the less outstanding the average guy becomes.

>>34645246
>>34645489
It is very irrational but mutual attraction doesnt make sense very often. She could be very in love with you for some reason which is why she wants to see you.
I guess it comes down to a few questions:
Has she proven shes a real person?
Has she done anything that indicates shes just after your money or scamming you?
Can you afford to go visit her for a week and absorb the cost if things dont go well?

>>34645529
>she went on four dates and planned a fifth with a guy she didn’t even like
Basically yeah. Shitty communicationon her part but she's not under any obligation to elaborate. just accept that she was feeling things out and then realized she doesnt want to date you after all

>>34647357
Often has reasonable and measured advice. Incels get mad at him which is a good sign too

>>34647428
yea more polarizing advice is usually what people want
mid-brow takes by zach are usually seen as intellectually insultng

>>34647428
Just as often it’s just him stating his personal preferences as if they were universally applicable, which is dangerous.

>>34647350
Autism presents itself in different ways in different people. It absolutely is debilitating for some people.

>>34647489
I'd feel better if someone smart either endorsed his advice or called it shit so the people who don't know better can know. Anyone up for this?

>>34647289
Thanks for putting it in gacha terms I can understand.
Does it affect the matches you get?

>>34647516
He's mostly harmless but I'd generally take what he says with a grain of salt since he doesn't have any results of his own, being 30-something with no gf or wife.

>>34647698
I hate my own people (autists) sometimes.
>”let me tell you how to get laid” -guy who doesn’t get laid

>>34647390
Seems real, no money asked, no scam signs. Though she looks high maintenance, so expensive to maintain.
I can absorb the cost and could spend like 2 night-3 days out and see if we vibe.
Risky and irrational though, since she can also get any other dude out there. So I'm left wondering why me? When she can have 100 other dudes next to her

>>34647955
I think she'll get bored eventually though. Probably has 10-50 other dudes that are also her entertainment points and taking her out while I'm here. So time is not my ally.
Sent her a message, see if she replies back

Get a girlfriend who is brave not one who shys away too much. Trust me women can be very manipulative not only to you, but a lot of people all at once if you notices her acting strangely shy around you. This is especially true when the shyness is with you but oh boy the confidence sky rockets with a chad.

Can a well-versed anon give me the scoop on Russian girls?
I've had a couple good dates with one but I want to know what I'm in for.

>>34648389
I've never had much success with Russians/Ukrainian. I guess I'm not their type. I suppose the Balkan stereotype applies they want a bulked tattooed man, playing the heavy macho role.
For me they are usually cold and distant and very materialistic, as I said this is my experience so results may vary.

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And this is our date for tomorrow (as long as she doesn't cancel ofc). 29, 1.65m Turkish (usually they dig me dunno why, guess because I'm white).
Then the 31yo 1.78m is acting flaky as she hasn't replied in 24 hours + to our 3rd date plans (i had sex on the 2nd) so that's odd and disappointing if she ghosts completely but odds are increasing by the hour. (She's been online multiple times and left me on read).
Women are weird.
Nothing in the backlog and I don't wanna pursue what I consider mids so for not empty space this week.
Plenty of unresponsive bitches in hinge, but they are far way so don't really care.

>>34648389
They mostly prefer guys who are Russian too
>>34648435
>she hasn't replied in 24 hours + to our 3rd date plans
I think that speaks for itself, but since you got laid, no biggie

>>34648452
Yeah i think so too. Weird foids tho.

>>34648435
this sounds like the classic modern woman
will have sex with you if the feeling's there
but, as soon as you break that barrier
they have to analyze the fact that now everytime they go out with you, they have to give up sex again
and to a woman the most mportant thing is how much she can benefit before having to give up sex again

>>34647955
>>34647967
If she really could have anyone nearby then the fact shes showing steady interest is a good sign

>>34648546
Yeah might be something like that. She said on the 2nd date. Things that move fast end up fast. Well I am inviting her out and she's soft rejecting me by not replying at all. So seems odd but could fit the foid mentality. Oh well will wait a bit today but will not follow up with any more messages since i already double texted today.
>>34648549
I mean I'm attractive, but I'm highly insecure on 9/10s bitches since i think at that level relationships are purely transactional. Like there's always someone more handsome, bigger, funnier, richer than you. And she can always trade you for that higher status access. So I'm already sort of entering this with a cynical perspective. Like why waste my time and money to see a bitch that can trade me for the next door Chad whenever I'm out, but well even if i go there i still can get some other pussy if things don't work out.

>>34648389
>Slavic
Do you have money? Cause she will very quickly start to rip you clean. Dating slavic women is peak-whore dating. They want your money, your affection, time and cum and expect to give NOTHING in return once the relationship starts going. The reason is, they expect you to beat them and want you to assert your dominance over them. They constantly shit test you and poke at you and will even hit you to test your masculinity. Its extremely fucking toxic, so be prepared to date a literal harpy.

>>34648637
Yup that's my impression, that they are professional golddiggers, and as the other anon pointed out they prefer their own language to date, and my empirical evidence is that they indeed look for a very dominant kind of man. So you'll probably have to beat her to keep her in line lmao.
That's why it never worked for me I suppose

>>34646930
Something about women belonging in the kitchen rather than the gym(shes jacked)

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Finally something decent coming my way 26yo, sent me a fucking homo rose and in my country (45' away but i work there).
Alright will try to schedule for this weekend since i got the space (Friday/Saturday).
Could even try to squeeze her after work on Thursday too. Let's see

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>>34648798
Could have a prettier face, but 1.75m green/blue eyes. No kids and want kids, I'm in to breed.
And seems she doesn't have a dick, very important detail

>>34648798
>just writes "Hi"
bro she isnt interested, she is literally desperate for validation

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hinge tip: the easiest way to spot fakes/jeets is when they say they want to play val/lol with (You). double points if they're asian

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>>34648831
There's always one of you huh?
Bro i literally just like pictures without writing anything at all.
She sent me the stupid weekly rose (so she used that on me, and not any other chads) and puts Hi name! :)
It's better than the avg foid out there, that literally only likes your picture. Don't you use bumble. Don't you know the biggest literally foid opener is "heyy" there.
Kys.

>>34648798
she signals "I'm gonna be a fat miserable wife in 10 years"

When you see slightly chubby women, do you think "that's fix-able", or do you immediately reject?

>>34648886
A good diet and a lot of exercise and you can turn her around. She's still 26, would be much more over if closer to 30 and fat.
No winning with you guys kek

>>34648889
I think as a young adult is still fixable, problem would be, if you meet her and she is eating pure goyslop. But having a decent diet and you can turn it around, obviously won't work for a fat slob that consumes trash daily and has her habits set.
Anyway let's see if she replies. Else you can laugh then

>>34648567
At least youre admitting youre insecure about it.
Go for it. Confirm shes real and not a catfish first though. Do a video call

>>34648798
>>34648804
I wouldnt give her that much effort but ask about tennis and if she would ever play doubles with you

>>34648913
I just already shoot my opener, so now I'm waiting, hopefully is not the classic 1-3 business days wait time to get a dry reply. But that's always on the deck and then I'll know it's bs as always.

>>34648909
Yep, i was thinking about it if i decided to go, i left one last text earlier during the day after getting some replies back, simply asking how was her day going and what I'm doing. So far it's been seen and no replies. So gonna wait it out.
But yeah I'm definitely not optimistic and rather hunt around my area than travel for that uncertainty

>>34648893
I have a response to her tennis photo that you'll likely consider Chudilicious. If you want a comfy blissful day, skip reading this. I'm laying out all my observations without restraint.

>A good diet and a lot of exercise and you can turn her around
Yes, that's if she is willing to accept your leadership role and allow you to influence her. "Hey, wanna go hiking today?" "No, I'm too tired (eats a snack)"

From her head positioning and eyes I sense a feeling of undeserved ego in that tennis photo.

"I spent a lot of money on this tennis outfit. It's similar (but less goated) to Stacy's so I ought to be treated like her but I know I'm not Stacy and my bad choices are failing me - I see the writing on the wall because I am approaching the wall (extremely fast without your guidance to help turn me around because I lack self discipline and fell for the goyslop memes for 5+ years). Love me while I won't love you back because I chose to exacerbate my underlying feminine anxiety by going beyond my comfort zone in public by taking photos of me wearing this outfit. So now I will be ruthless with your feelings unnecessarily to calm myself down should I feel like it"

I don't have the same observations of that girl wearing the green two piece. But she seems somewhat preoccupied with herself.

In the last thread I mentioned how I met a girl at a nature group walk, got her number, and asked her on a date. We confirmed the date on friday, set for tonight after work. I likely will send a short confirmation text this afternoon making sure we are still on.
The date is going to be casual, meeting at the park and going for a walk on the riverwalk trail. Dinner was not mentioned by either of us. The trail ends close to her house, but far from where we started so im wondering

Do I offer to walk her home at the end of the walk? or end the date there and go back to my car to go home? What kind of escalation should be done on the first date? Do I let her lead with her feelings or do I plant subtle hints and see if she goes for it?

>>34648996
>making sure we are still on
NOOO.
Level up and say "see you later (:"
if she's not interested in meeting anymore, she will say

>Do I offer to walk her home at the end of the walk?
just keep walking and do what feels natural. Don't talk about walking her home. Just end up there together unless shes trying to wrap it up before that

>>34649045
I was going to say "hey x, still good for 7pm tonight?"
but youre telling me to say "hey, see you tonight"
the smiley face is too much

Women with nose rings? I like her profile otherwise, but I'm told nose rings signal BDP and the like.

>>34649086
Avoid at all costs

>>34649061
Youre fine, dont overthink it

>>34649086
As someone whos actually met women irl, I can say that nose rings are not as strong an indicator as peiple itt make them

>>34648985
Kek, good laugh. Thank you anon. Bitch hasn't replied yet. So we'll see how many business days it might take, if she even does so.
>>34649086
>>34649098
Yes, it's mental illness. Same to extreme tattooed whores and any weird hair color think purple/blue. But those are usually obese and mid so i stay out altogether

>>34649112
Very low quality whore. Usually bisexual if that helps tho

I'm going to sound a little crazy but for almost all my life I never dated because I thought I could do more important things. but lately I've being feeling really lonely. I don't know if it's related to this at all, maybe it's something else, but I guess biologically it would make sense as all life is built like that so people want to meet others to feel comfort or understanding.
But how do people even meet others these days? Are you forced to use the internet if you don't have already existing connections?

>>34649135
Just be confident and go outside!

My standards for looks:
>white
>face must be at least decent
>big booba
All three are required.

>>34649222
what if shes jewish white

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>>34649229
All the better.

>>34649222
So you like tits huh? You big baby you!

>>34649114
>Kek, good laugh. Thank you anon.
would've loved to watch you read that for the first time. It's kinda hilarious to see people read my more stuff. You are exposed to my words and they can be very goofy. It's like I control the voice and images that appear in your head.

E.g. associated her with phrase "slobber on my knob like corn on the cob". Wala

>>34649344
Checked, you're a good cunt anon.
She didn't replied back, so after all gotta wait the business days if i get something back from her.
Additionally, I'm a bit pissed at the 31yo leaving me on seen and ghosting for 22hour + now. But i guess nothing of value was lost. Tomorrow is the date with the other 29yo. But it's gonna be a first date. Will try to get my kisses tho.

>>34649368
I haven't dated a white woman since 2019. I've had a fling with one or two since then, but VERY briefly.

I think they are too insufferable and have inflated egos.

Wholesome white women who don't interpret your intentions badly, and give you attention at all, are uncommon

I am very happy with Chinese women. They are god's gift. Send in more immigrants please Carney. 450k + 150k international students this year is not enough

When I am with cute Chinese girls, white women have a look in their eyes "I cannot compete. Her arms are thin, no cellulite, no tattoos, nice long hair, skinny, big breasts, polite, and blissfully unaware of how ugly I am"

>>34646966
which half?

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>>34649317
Yes.

it's remarkable when there are 4 wmaf couples as a cafe, and then the wmwf couple arrive and get mogged by everyone

>>34649385
Yeah the problem i have is that I'm a racist cunt and cannot stand the idea of race mixing. But yes our white foids are indeed turning into retards thanks to Jewish propaganda. Asian, blacks, browns are all good fun but it will be a pump and dump for me. I cannot imagine having mixed kids. But then again maybe my good genes go to waste and i end up childless kek. But whatever, i already dumped a couple of good women that loved me and worshipped just because and I'm an avoidant and cannot commit to just one.

>>34649112
>>34649086
as someone who has actually fucked nose ring women irl i can say that the sex was not worth the trouble. they are crazy, tattoos and dyed hair are also great warning signs
avoid them.
let me repeat, i got laid, but they were so crazy it wasn't worth it. do not ruin good things for yourself.

>>34649407
>cannot commit to just one
Seeing another tight skirt you want to shaft but cannot because "rules" is tormenting.

I think having fatherless behavior is entitled us white, non new people's own fault. Jews didnt make us act like retards. A father would be a good leader, preventing his daughter from wanting tattoos just from upbringing alone. But instead she gets pumped and dumped by you and others ignoring her tattoos to get your dicks wet

Jews wear their fur hats, and some make advertisements, but come on dude.

Mixed kids frighten me too, but seeing my future wife pregnant will be so beautiful. She'll have motherly qualities. It ought not to matter. Theyll be tall and have good teeth

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>>34649420
Bro, I'm smart and talented and i expect my equal and when I see the trash out there, everyone is beneath me. Even though I'm a child of divorce i don't have any tattoos mysel, I don't smoke the goysnip (nor cigarettes). And because of my avoidant personality i excel in my career.
Bitches are fat, full of tattoos and all smokers (majority) not to mention poor as fuck (literally financially illiterate).
I don't know who created this weak generation of people, but i guess everyone by being agnostic and atheists is part of the blame. We drifted into tv and celebrities as our guidance and whores are the most weak and easily to mentally influence.
Anyway, my rant is, online dating is indeed the bottom of the barrel, I'm indeed just swiping cattle plebs. There's nothing of value in here. Just someone to fuck.
>Pic related, look at this fucking disgusting fat cow. Useless cattle

>>34649439
kek good lad blocking out the goynip and roasties

why did your parents divorce?

What do you virgins think of this situation
>frequent a coffeeshop
>meet hottie
>find out she has a bf who has been a regular
>meet him, talk to them together
>after he leaves, take her to my table and we chat, i show something related to what we had been talking about
>tell her to go, gotta get back to work
>hours later her bf comes over and says she was uncomfortable and to not talk to her again
>she still says hi to me like regular
>get really busy, no time to go to coffeeshop
> a month later i return to find her tere with him she even comes up to me to talk, shes looking over her shoulder a lot. Bf in another room
>say we should meet for a break, she says she doesnt have a long one, so i said ill just come by next time
Wat dou? Shes friendly but i feel like the jealous boyfriend is a good exploit. I have 3 girls on rotation and get hit on btw

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>>34649452
Mom was an anxious type and had to overcompensate buying material stuff, my dad was an avoidant and probably how their relationship went made me an avoidant as well. I know only how to rely on myself and nobody else.
I'm still glad they divorced couldn't imagine it otherwise. Plus they have a good relationship nowadays.
But yeah for me, i don't believe in marriage, and seeing thebbithces out there kek. I might end up throwing my supreme genetic material to the bin.
Worst case scenario I'll go to fucking Africa and make some smart mulattos. The world needs smarter niggas out there.
Also this bitch replied but dry
>>34648798
>>34648804
And I'm trying to meet her on Thursday, doubt I'll go anywhere.

>>34649458
Chad, my max was 4 one year ago before I dropped them all for my ex roastie gf.
I think the bf is trying to cockblock you. But then again i would feel uncomfortable playing a triangle in front of the dude. There's more fish out there with less issues. But up to you, if you like the chaos go create some.
>Ps 3 is the ideal number, not worth to add a 4th it fucks everything up. It's just greed

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Likes are starting to ramp up at this time. Roasties are busy swiping kek.
Probably I'll delete all of this 7s.
Jesus Christ

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Alright it's roastie season!
She's 38 but I'll accept the like because I'm a degenerate

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Kekaro, sorry brownies. The "lady" has her type.
She's so wasted good God.
This people are unbelievable

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What do we think? Yes or nah? 29, 1.65m and smoker, bad skin too it seems.
"Long term relationship"

>>34649500
>>34649514
>>34649519
>>34649534
What kind of validation are you seeking from us? If youre just trying to get your dick wet then just match with them and shoot your shot. Its a numbers game

Bros did I win? my gf
>Is my best friend's wife's close friend so handing out with another couple is awesome
>is a virgin even though she'd dated long-term meaning she's said no to her loser ex
>is very affectionate, we cuddle and make out all the time and constantly touch and lets me touch her butt but also not a slut, had to teach her how to tongue kiss.
>is super kind and cares of me
>super encouraging
>works in education, loves kids (would make an awesome mom)
>doesn't drink unless she's with people and never gets drunk because she doesn't want to lose control
>doesn't take birth control
>is wealthy (mom is a dr and bought her a new car, probably would pay for the entire wedding)
>is pure, told me she's never even masturbated

>>34649546
Do you love her though?

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Real life is such an antidote to what /pol/ and /r9k/ claim chads do. I’ve seen so many alphas get with mid as fuck girls because >muh love. I also just had a double date with a chad who moved in with a 34 year old divorced mother of two.

Turns out there actually aren’t many rules.

>>34649549
Yes. I'm going to get her a card telling her how I feel and give it to her this weekend.

>>34649534
Can yes to smoking mean vaping? I’m fine with vaping but I’d turn 360 degrees and walk the fuck out of there if she smoked cigarettes.

>>34649544
I matched literally 2/7. I'll shoot my shot and see how it goes. Maybe i just give validation to the mid chicks and they never reply again lmao

>>34649558
Okay then lock that shit down and dont ever come back to this general ever again

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>>34649556
Back to rehab, Patrick.

>>34649565
Brady is another counterexample. I’ve seen /sp/ call him a cuck for marrying Leo’s sloppy seconds.

>>34649559
Probably cigarettes, i can do social smoking with drinks but i don't buy cigarettes.
I guess if she does smoke like every anxious foid out there. She's also gonna have bad teeth. It's gonna be more for a pump and dump regardless, if i even get to that stage
>>34649546
Yes you won bro, the non masturbation part is a bit weird for a foid. But okay, i like a little bit of sexual experience and not to train them from zero. Also teachers are indeed good mom's (nurture roles)

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>>34649568
Well, Gisele did cheat on him while they were together, right? With the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu instructor. Brady wasn't good enough for her.

>>34649572
>the non masturbation part is a bit weird for a foid. But okay, i like a little bit of sexual experience and not to train them from zero
When I asked her she said "I've thought about it but no" which is wild. She's very sweet and genuine and the elementary school career makes me want to infantilize her but she's actually quite resilient and has gone through some relationships with man children (one is married now and is a stay at home husband with no kids).
I asked her how she feels about sex, and she knows I'm not a virgin. She's definitely interested, and excited, but also there's some nerves there, and I told her that the "loss of control" thing might be a challenge for her, but ultimately, I want to make her feel good and we'll probably have more conversations about it. BTW we're Christians and won't have sex until marriage. And pre-marriage counseling.

>>34649546
Only if you marry her. Otherwise you’re just agreeing to indefinite blue balls. Does she left you feel her up?

is it a bad idea to bring a condom on a first date?
I can see it going a few ways
>mood gets hot and heavy, you have one on you, leads right into sex, everything is good

>mood gets hot and heavy, you have one on you, shes surprised and wonders why you anticipated sex that early

>mood gets hot and heavy, you dont have one, mood killed, she wonders why not

>>34649590
My long time ex didn’t masturbate because she was sexually harassed in high school by some dude who kept telling her to do it. It sucked at first because she had no idea how to cum and it was nine months before her pussy stopped trying to expel my dick every time we had sex. But then it was awesome because I didn’t even have to share her pussy with herself. I was the only one who touched it. She stayed with me for years longer than she probably should have because she didn’t want to lose my dick or tongue.

>>34649621
If she wants sex (you don’t mention it before then) she won’t change her mind just because you’re prepared for that. She might be surprised as you said in a “why you little rascal” kind of way but she’ll still want to.

>>34649590
Insane, i cannot imagine that because I'm 3 digits+ body count.
My first gf was 21 and i took her virginity. I couldn't believe it desu, because i thought she had sex before. I dumped her 4 years later. Should had stayed, but I wanted more as always. I was loyal back then though. So at least i could do monogamy better than nowadays.
>>34649621
Better to have it there, than need it in the moment bro. Also you can read the girl whether a ons will happen or not really. So you can also go with that info too

>>34649556
Yeah, chemistry and personality affects things in an odd way that a lot of the desk-bound neets refuse to comprehend.

I also think a lot of people here underestimate what a top 20% man looks like in general (algorithms realistically show the top 1-2% of bodies to most people, most people irl are very out of shape and weird looking; losing like 20-50 lbs would bump most american men up a few points).
>>34649534
I wouldn't mind giving it a shot but I'm pretty upfront about only wanting casual relationships with most matches. A lot of the profiles that say they're seeking only ltrs are open to a fwb style situation if you know how to stay discrete. I have a few women who reach out for sex while still swiping through the apps looking for the one. What those guys don't know won't hurt them I guess. I also assume exclusivity just wasn't brought up yet so its really not my problem
>>34649519
If I were a brownie, I would need to see her appearance before getting offended
>>34649514
35-50 are perfect if you just want to get off and want a woman who has no expectation for the retarded humiliation rituals that occur for modern hookup culture
>>34649500
Pretty good as well. What's causing the jump in likes in your opinion?

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>BPD girl at work is mad because I keep ignoring her signs of interest

>>34649630
>But then it was awesome because I didn’t even have to share her pussy with herself.
bro

>>34649670
> I wouldn't mind giving it a shot but I'm pretty upfront about only wanting casual relationships with most matches
Unfortunately, i give lover boy vibes and end up breaking hearts, but majority of women like to get involved in a situationship as long as there's an illusion they can "trap" you down or I can change him. So unless the exclusivity talk gets brought up (by her). Everything is fair game for me. And indeed everyone saying ltr/life partner are sometimes the most eager to get into ONS short flings. I prefer the balls of the women that state casual (vast minority and also a net negative if you state it in your profile versus long term open to short).
> If I were a brownie, I would need to see her appearance before getting offended
She's Turkish, not really white either kek.
Accepted the like hasn't replied yet, semi decent face for being 38 nothing special, but her body is there in the pics kek.
> Pretty good as well. What's causing the jump in likes in your opinion?
Since my date out on Saturday and me returning later on i noticed like 10 likes from 8-11:30 pm.
Pattern seems to be repeating too, ramping up at the most busy hours ofc. I think maybe my ELO scored got boosted and my profile it's being shown more. Something like whenever you start ramping matches, more matches come to you. This is my 2nd week back in online dating after 1 year off(with gf) hinge is giving the most results, followed by bumble and last tinder. All are non paid.
Before I had most success in hinge and tinder with bumble almost netting zero, seems they updated the scoring there now (even though they on purpose hide your matches unless you pay for them). And for tinder i might need platinum to boost my likes and score, since all i get is trash and very few likes daily. But I'm busy with hinge atm. So that would be for later, plus if I travel i would get boosted again and get shown more once i return (match better quality, increaser your score, keep matching more).

>>34649670
I thought I was super against tattoos but I had a great date with a girl who had one on her back and suddenly I was apparently okay with that.

I did the Fresh Start on my Hinge profile bros. Wish me luck.

Sent out a bunch of hinge likes and got no matches, is this normal or did all those girls say no?

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For the sensitive young men out there looking for the love of your life on dating apps, how do you deal with the extremely higher number of low effort profiles? From what I see, men tend to swipe right on anything that looks fuckable. But as sensitive young men, that's not how we operate. But then that leaves us with a tiny pool of women.
Should I just lower my standards, and be pleasantly surprised when a woman lists anything at all that hints at a personality? As opposed to expecting profiles that approximately match mine in level of effort?

>>34649920
I think you're supposed to go on dates with them to find out about their personality.

>>34649935
I just feel it's extremely unlikely I'd get along with one of those minimum effort profiles. Any of you ever match with one of those <10 word profiles, and the girl ended up being really smart and interesting?

dating apps can get you laid, but these women are icky. I reckon I've had enough. 8 years was a good run

>>34649920
>sensitive young men
What is this meme popping up?

>>34650123
Some shitty xitter meme.

>>34649676
What. She even described it as mine, a place where no one else has ever gone, not even her.

I am starting to look old

t. 29

Should I try to get with my uncle’s widow? She still looks pretty good. She added me on facebook recently. I reached out, asked what she was up to. She asked me to help move some stuff but then she found someone with a truck so I wasn’t needed. 2 or 3 years ago she basically told me she thought I was attractive.

>>34650263
I’m too autistic to make a call here but I’m pretty sure that’s weird

>>34650302
He was my half uncle actually, we weren’t that close

>>34649411
Could it be that crazy women are predisposed to having casual sex and that piercings/tattoos are incidental?

Follow up regarding my date tonight. I don't think there will be another one after this.

It was about 2 hours, we hugged when she showed up, sat on a blanket at the park, a lot of good conversation, laughing, she asked me a lot of questions about myself, and I did for her. I would touch her softy when something was funny, she didnt flinch away but also didnt touch me at all. At the end I walked with her back to her car and we hugged, no kiss. She said it was fun and to text her to let her know I got home, but no indication of a next date. I gave her a simple message when I got home and she replied right away but didnt suggest another date or hangout.

I'll let it sit for a few days and try one more time. It's too bad, she has a really nice personality

>>34650618
That's your job to go for the kiss and to suggest another date

>>34650666
When I went for the hug, she turned her cheek. I didnt get enough romantic indication from her during the evening. When I would touch her playfully she never did it back. Asking for another date in that moment puts her on the spot when she's already figuring out what she thought about the first one. She's also jewish so she could just have a different way of thinking about things

>>34650618
Dang sorry. Youre right about giving it one more fair shot just to see what happens but try not to dwell on it too much

>>34650751
All good. Talked it over with my friends, half say what I did was fine the other half said I shouldve suggested another date at the end to let her know im interested. I tried taking advice from hoe_math which said if the date ends neutrally, then respond neutrally and let it sit for a few days.
I'll send a message tomorrow to see if she wants go to with me to a place in a city this weekend.

This piece of advice is gonna be easier said than done, but when it comes to women. Date a reliable woman and be a reliable man.

What kind of photos am I supposed to put on dating apps?

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>>34643477
>>34643537
I may have underestimated how into me she is. She's sending me good morning and good night texts. Is this normal at this point of knowing someone?

What does "their turn" mean on Hinge?
I liked a girl's photo with a question and it's showed up under matches with a "their turn". I never got a notification if it was a match or not (I've never gotten a match before) but it seems like I can message her even though she didn't answer the question or say anything.

>>34651244
She accepted your like but hasn't replied to your written like (thus, it's still her turn).
You still need to re-open the bitch and see if she replies then.
Maybe she won't as all whores do, but give it another try

>>34650844
> if the date ends neutrally, then respond neutrally and let it sit for a few days

i think that really depends on the person what neutral means to them. not everyone is willing to make out on the first date and it's still a good date. you also can't expect the other person to be active, you never know what's going on with them either way. it was good that she replied right away when you were at home and it's good that you are asking her out on another date, but don't be a doomer and think that it's already over. you will see that soon enough.

>>34651281
So I need to ask the question again? Or do I have to come up with something new?

>>34651307
If you ask the same question she won't reply back at all. Just use another part of her profile or simply greet. Try to be somewhat interesting. But these bitches are all the same. So in the end it doesn't matter what you say, only if they are open to the idea of meeting with You

>>34651132
pump n dump or block if you dont feeling it.

>>34651326
I'm not a pumper and dumper and I don't like ghosting people becausenit happened to me and it felt like shit :/

>>34651342
You'll grow to become ruthless one day. It's all a game, nobody cares

>>34651342
You didn't sign a contract with her. Nobody is stopping you to text her and say "im not feeling it with you" or something like this. Don't force yourself to do things with her just because she is into you (and you are not). It's easier to end it early than keep her on the hook and sperging to end it.

>>34651398
Yeah I know. I'm worried it might be too late for that now. She's messaged me for the past couple of days and she's saving conversation topics for "the next time we meet". We only just met on the weekend. I have to admit I have been engaging in the conversation because I'm too polite to ignore her and I am lonley so having someone to talk to feels good. I'm such a pushover that I have no idea how to distance myself from her and I may cave to a second date.
At this rate I'd probably cave to marrying her.

I feel like I’m being ghosted by the girl
I’m dating and it hasn’t even been 24 hours, I’m simping hard

>>34651498
Lmao dude, if you feel overwhelmed you can definitely block her and get out of that. You don't owe her anything, self preserve yourself for what you truly want. I went to 2 first dates last week and both bitches were hideous. I simply ghosted them, nothing to be worried about.
>>34651583
I also got ghosted on the bitch i banged on my 2nd date for plans on a 3rd, i might shoot her a message that in the end it was she who didn't wanna pursue anything else. But who am I kidding, i just wanted to use her for a rotation. So maybe it's better this way.

>>34651293
Yeah there could still be a chance. I've been playing it cool so far, but this next message is going to be a little more forward.
I was thinking of saying something like
>"Hey mary, I was thinking about yesterday, and I'd like to see you again. Interested in going to the zoo with me on saturday?"
It's very direct and might come across as desperate. up until now I've been following the "rules" of interacting with women early on which did work, but I think I need to try something different here.

Second dates are challenging for me, first dates are easy because both sides are curious to know about each other and thats usually enough to set the stage for the date.

>>34650978
The ones that make you like attractive. Your photos with friends, skydiving, hanging out with Pedro Pascal or chilling on a beach won't matter a bit if you look like Quasimodo
>>34651583
Chill anon, nothing kills attraction quicker than simping

>>34651649
I know. I think what’s fucking with me is a combination of her not being readily available over text and me actually trying to date one person for a change. I’m used to finding a distraction when one girl isn’t biting. Now I sit with the silence and get in my own head.

>>34651784
>actually trying to date one person for a change
What for? Unless you go exclusive after several dates there's no reason to do that

>>34650978
At least one (not more than two) good selfie or close-up. At least one social photo. The rest should be “I do cool shit” photos (travel, hobbies, events, etc). But as >>34651649 said you’ll have limited success if you’re not attractive, so get on looksmaxxing if you have simple gains left (good haircut, skin care, teeth straightened/whitened, clothes, /fit/).

>>34651875
I’m trying to set myself up for a long term relationship and frankly I’m a pussy when it comes to breaking things off so I just want to take things one at a time. She also said she hated cheaters the first time we went out so I even if we weren’t official I don’t think it’s a good idea. I never asked if she was dating other guys but aside from her silence I have no reason to think she is.

Why is it easier for me to make $100,000 than to get a gf? I'm not kidding, it is unironically easier and faster for me to make $100k than to get a gf.

>>34652049
I'm in 6 digit hell and have banged over 200 sluts. Now making it to 7 is the question bro

>>34651342
You have a good heart anon. Listen to your heart.

>move from metro of 10 million to metro of 1 million
>prospects fall by 90%
This is gay. I was fighting off girls with a stick in Chicago. I think I’m gonna move to Philly.

>>34652075
Tips for getting that many sluts? I'm at a couple dozen with a decent rotation of them right now but I'm kind of interested in getting it out of my system and losing the ability to be truly invested in a woman (I'm serious, life seems more stress free when relationships aren't on the top of my mind)

>>34650844
>hoe_math
Sounds dubious. Id wait no longer than 24 hours btw, especially if you sense that she's pulling away. Ghosting her for multiple days isnt going to help that so you need to make your next move sooner than later

>>34652049
Depends on what your qualifications are. In both scenarios

>>34650844
> I tried taking advice from hoe_math

why

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Not sure if this is worth pursuing
> 2 years ago
> get Hinge
> match with this girl and go on 2 dates, we kissed, 3rd lined up
> she cancels, ghosting upon reschedule
> reach out again asking if there’s interest, she says no
> fast forward a month, she reaches out to go to karaoke, I agree, I’m going in just as friends
> we hang out more, I ask the vibe and she agrees to be friends
> 1 night drinking she confesses she finds me attractive, I play aloof cuz don’t want to deal with hot/cold
> when I drop her off she tells me to kiss her already, we fuck
> at bar few days later, I mention staying the night, she says no
> she’s been talking to her female friend who brought a guy. Guy leaves, they keep talking, I sense history (date is bisexual)
> at closing date’s friend makes a comment, when date asks to clarify, she says something like “are we gonna talk about this in front of your straight friend?”
> I get the message walk away for a bit, both ask me to drive them to my date’s home
> I’m getting cucked
> we ghost each other
> move closer to where she lives we circle around the same friendgroup
> 1 year later I have gf and we eat at her workplace, she ends up serving us
> fast foward now me and gf broke up
> go back to her restaurant while family is in town. She greets with a hug, we chat
> feeling horny so I say we should do karaoke, no response
> make funny insta story pic of me and she hearts
> see on insta she’s at karaoke, ask if she wants to with me. No answer
> totally cool, I can move on
> make insta story about HxH returning (we’re both big fans).
> she responds expressing excitement but ignores the karaoke invitation
I’m not sure what to make of this lmao. I’m not fooling myself into wanting a relationship but I was looking to get back out there dating wise, maybe fwb if she was down. So when I asked and there was no response I figured no interest. I don’t know what to make of her still engaging with my socials though.

>>34652514
Do not give any more time or attention to her. Sounds like a 2 year long disaster of her ffs

>>34652583
That’s what I figured.
> Sounds like a 2 year long disaster of her ffs
Apologies if I gave the impression I wasted a ridiculous amount of time pursuing. Between matching and the final ghost was maybe 2 months (although what consisted a ridiculous amount of time is variable lol). Afterwards I’d see her around every so often and we’d say hi.
I was curious if anyone had any insight, I had to give the abridged version of the story because after the ghost there was a fallout in the friendgroup mentioned briefly and we ended up on opposite sides which might also play a role in the behavior. My rational brain tells me this isn’t worth the brainpower, I’ll probably just journal on this tonight and lay it to rest. Regardless, I appreciate the frankness anon

>>34648567
Stop being so cynical and insecure. You're getting the opportunity of a lifetime, its almost like you don't like her or something.

>>34652260
You need to be 6'1, slim and have an attractive face. That's my secret bro. Also charismatic, kek.

>>34652641
Bro, why would I invest on my time and money when she literally has 12k fucking followers in stupid Instagram. She wrote to me now that I am her type and she rather have a generous and good man than a rich dude.
I'm just a manwhore

>>34652641
And she's Moroccan so i don't know how I feel about that

>>34652399
a guy in the last thread said he did that with ai

I sent out a bunch of hinge likes over the past couple of days and I'm getting no matches.
Is there normally a delay or am I uglier than I thought?

Do the guys that come to this thread even get women or is it just larp/fun?

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>>34652791
I get women. Just came back from a date with a 7 roastie (29yo) and this is the bitch I'm wondering whether i should go and visit. But i think i have zero odds

>>34652747
You're ugly bro. Sorry. Better hit the gym and upgrade that wardrobe and get a new haircut. Also have nice teeth please

>>34652812
Really? My teeth are fine though, I have never had a filling in my life.

>>34652897
If you're not getting matches you're not attractive, either height, weight (which you can manage via becoming fit) or race is the problem, not to mention your own face (fit and a good diet can greatly improve it too). I don't make the rules, i just play the game

>>34652914
I'm not fat, 6'2", white and my grandma would always say I was handsome.

>hobby: travelling internationally
This is a
>"I want to spend your money"
red flag, right? Or is this just a
>"tee hee I'm interesting"
gambit?

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I was sitting down in the gym rest area and a girl came in, when she did I looked up at her and then looked down but I could see out of my peripheral vision she looked at me as my head was moving back so she definitely saw the movement, and then she looked away but I saw her smile as she was walking away.

What was that about?

>>34653006
Think about it this way: do you know anyone who does NOT like to travel internationally. In all my life I don't think I've met anyone who doesn't like international travel. It's like saying hobby: breathing air.

If I have 2-3 matched in the apps but I'm not sure which one I want to be my gf is it OK to go on dates with all of them?

>>34653094
Obviously

>>34653094
Yes. Word of warning though if you’re a retard like me: make sure you’re keeping
them separated in your mind. Don’t confuse details about them and keep track of which stories you’ve told to which.
>>34653006
>>34653060
The key difference is between wanting to travel internationally and actually doing it. Some girls say “I’d like to go to Japan.” Others say “I’ve already been to Japan.”

I also suppose damn near everyone has traveled internationally in Yurope where everyone is in driving or train distance from another coumtry but tons of girls in the US has never left the country.

>>34652075
Kek, I’ve been making between $105k and $107k for four years. Is that the hell?

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Who the fuck is right? The doomer incels telling the dating market is fucked due to social media, feminism, etc, and all women nowadays are whores or whatever or the bloomers calling everyone doomers, the incels pessimistic, and telling you to go outside? Any further reading would be appreciated.

>>34653273
Bloomers obviously.

>>34652616
You're right, its not worth the brainpower

>>34653273
Anon, this all happens because of fear of the unknown. Autism is still mysterious to women, and a lot of people. I think as time goes on and autistic people as a whole mature more often, the autism that makes incels, won't be quite as frowned upon as it was during 2009.

>>34653250
My salary has been stuck at 65K for the last 3 years and i have a masters degree. its grim

>>34653368
I don’t know what to make of that without currency and location. I’m in the US.