Not if you want a liar or a defect

Guys have to be ok with double digit body counts, but you're worried that the guy might have busted a nut to some pixels at some point? lmao.

>>34655154
having ever watched porn doesn't mean a guy is currently a degen

>>34655168

>>34655154
Instead of complaining about the men who are beholden by porn (70% - 80% of all men have watched it), have you considered putting the criticism on the porn industry and their enablers? How about the women who make porn and OF? They knowingly prey on men's involuntary sexual urges for money and clout. They even try to normalize slut behaviour and demand you to respect it, the same woman who would seduce your boyfriend or husband is the one telling you to say "slay queen" as she slays your shit at happiness for money. Why do women hold men under such pressures for falling for porn, when it's women who co-create porn every time they open their legs for a camera? These women are showing their pussies to your men and even your own sons and daughters who are exposed to porn when on the web. And these women do not care, they don't care if your 8 year old son gets his mind polluted because of her performances, money matters more to her because she was #livingherbestlife.

Maybe women should make a stand against that and correctly villainize who needs villainized.

Yes, you are no different than the 30 year old incels on this website that want a khhv gf. Ive noticed from going on the r/redscarepod during the 4chan shutdown that the female equivalent of fixating on virginity is fixating on porn viewing habits.
>Are all men degens?
Every human is a degenerate if held up to firm moral standards. We all have base urges. Porn addiction is obviously not a good thing but a vast majority of the western population has viewed some form of porn at some point.

>>34655154
girls can be bigger degens so it's fine desu

>>34655154
At this point yes. However, men who don’t watch it do exist in decent number.

>>34655154
Yes. We live in a society that glorifies open sexuality and everybody knows what pornhub is. And that's kind of normal for teenage boys to at least be curious enough to watch porn.

>>34655168
>Guys have to be ok with double digit body counts, but you're worried that the guy might have busted a nut to some pixels at some point? lmao.
True, the absolute state of women... OP is probably a dude baiting, I refuse to believe his reasoning is real.

>>34655168
I don't have a double digit bodycount and I don't watch porn. I want the man to meet the same standards.
>>34655197
Onlyfans wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for it.

>>34655211
>Yes. We live in a society that glorifies open sexuality.
Exactly. And all it takes is a to go back a few pages in history, just a handful of decades and see who mostly attended and fought for the Sexual liberation movement. It was majority women.
Women wanted sexual liberty and they got it. They specifically asked for this outcome.

>>34655216
>Onlyfans wouldn't exist if there wasn't a market for it.
And that's why the problem will never end. You blame those poisoned for being dumb enough to be swindled with poison. You indirectly justify the behaviours of harpy sluts, women who deliberately prey on your men's sexual urges. Even when they are contained within their boxes, behind r18+ content only sites, these sluts will be on your radio station, singing about getting their pussy eaten, signing about their big tits and how men lap it up. Nicki Minaj, Cardi B. Singing about being home wreckers, seducing older men (lana del rey). On your televisions twerking, glorifying the fact they made your man look at them. And your children too. But hey, "there's a market for it". So don't hold them accountable right? Sure thing.

>>34655226
Notice who is behind all of this though. Founders of all of the major porn sites are men. Founders of erotic magazines which were used in the same way before the Internet were men. Producers behind those singers singing about immoral things are men. Men literally created all of this for other men.

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>>34655154
if you were there for me during puberty i wouldnt have needed the pornography. you expect me to jerk off to what exactly? books? my mental imagery of women bitch i see like 1 woman in a month i can barely remember what women even look like. it's so cruel of you to say this when i was lonely and wanted a gf women didnt give a fuck and even shamed me for it but now youre mad i looked at naked women online it's like what? WHAT THE FUCK WAS I SUPPOSED TO DO?

>>34655232
And who posed for the naked pin ups? Women. Who wrote the lyrics for the songs that were produced by men? Women. Who performs scatily these same whore songs like sirens in front of millions? Women. And who fought for sexual liberation in droves that permanently severed the cohesive culture that kept man and women on the same page sexually and morally? Women. Yes we could say: But men made these platforms and enticed women to do it. But the majority of men were against it, the cultural porn war of the 50's was majority of men against legalized porn in the west. Husbands and fathers and aspirant young men looking to become family men. Majority of women were for it. And now if you are a man and you speak against it, you're a "chauvinist" a "misogynist". You are deemed as an enemy of women for wishing for their restoration to a state of high value.

And if you're not getting told that to your face as a man, you are told women were victims and we men let it all happen. That if we were dominant and manly enough and fought off the snakes who tempted them, this wouldn't have happened.

So in other words, women can do no wrong, they're not accountable. Just men who should take the full force of the blame apparently. Yet at the same time women en masse want the benefits of being accountable but without being accountable lol. Every time where someone comes to tell women to pay the accountability piper, they fuck off behind a tree mentally or something.

>>34655266
>>34655232
Let me tell you a shocking fact while I'm at it:

It was all planned. I won't go on a rant I will keep it simple:
World war 2. Men are drafted, husbands gone to fight.
Industry loses its work force, money is lost.
Industry pushes to remove culturak barrier of stay at home mothers
Women work, take up men's jobs while men fight and die
Men come home, those who survived
They are now competing for their own jobs with their own women
???
Men and women now have tension a seed of division was sown.
Women resent men reclaiming their jobs, women had gotten used to full monetary independence. They enjoyed it even if their men were dying for it.
The power dynamic at home was now knocked into chaos. And women took it further
Sexual liberation. Not only did they want to detach from men domestically but now also sexually
Women wanted more ways of working and making money independently.
Enter the porn industry.
Money for women who spread.
And protests to defend it, attended by women.

That's how it all happened. Men left home to go fight and die and when the returned women betrayed the homestead culture. For money.

>>34655168
kek, I never though to of it this way but man, you're a wise motherfucker. Thanks, I now feel less sorry for bitches.

>>34655289
Your incel view of how the world works breaks down when you realise that women are paid less for the same work as a man and women are basically a 2nd class to men kind of like children or any other not fully mentally developed person.

Do you know how the weakest man can basically break all woman's gold medals at the olympics? Do you really think female social engineering fucks men up? Stupid men sure, but at the end of the day all women are powerless to strong men

>Because you watched pornography in the past, you're already broken

Why are you publicly demanding men stop watching porn then? You said yourself men can't change what they are, but here you are demanding they change.

Either get over the fact that a man used to watch porn, or stop getting angry at him.

>>34655216
Explain prostitution then.

>>34655216
>I don't have a double digit bodycount and I don't watch porn. I want the man to meet the same standards.
Are you a virgin? Doesn't matter if it's 40 or 9.

>>34655323
>Paid less for the same work
That's an old argument that's demonstrably proven false every time it's brought up. You're not off to a good start.

>2nd class to men, kind of like children or any other borderline fully mentally developed person
Are they or are they not? Because feminism and sexual lib wanted us to believe they're the same class, equal to men and capable as men. Are they as capable? If not, why do they insist they are throughout modern culture?
>Do you really think female social engineering fucks men up?
Yes. Because that is the woman's strength that she has over men. Strong as we are, powerful as we are, women are the ones who weave social fabric and customs, traditions, made like blankets from their tongues. Women hold the power of social engineering and always have. A woman can speak and she can guarantee that person will have no friends for the rest of their life.

Don't believe me? Look how female school bullies work. If they do not like you, one conversation or two, one round of gossip, and every other person gets the memo indirectly: "Ostracize this other girl. Forget that guy." And it is so. The weaker girls listen because they don't want to be cast out. And weak men do their bidding because they want pussy.
Then their target is a loner or brutally and coldly cast out of circles, which then informs how they socialize for the rest of their life (they don't. After something like that, it sticks with them and they don't bother).

Women hold more power than you believe, only it's not visible and not physical. It's entirely psychological.

>>34655351
>That's an old argument that's demonstrably proven false every time it's brought up. You're not off to a good start.

It's definitely true.

As for the rest of your argument, saying women control weak men, you answered your own question; it's not women that are the problem, it's women and stupid men who are easily manipulated.

And those stupid men, as I said, rape women, who can never, biologically never, overpower a man.

You are clearly not a physically strong male IRL, whatever, neither is Elon Musk or most men who have children, but your entire argument breaks down when you're faced with the fact even the most tactile woman can't do shit if a big retard with downs decides he will rape her.

You've been betrayed by people, probably a woman, in your life. It's happened to me, too, my mother is a total bitch, but I'm here to tell you, women AND men are problematic.

Do not forget we have female AND male prisons. So much for a superior gender.

>>34655338
Prostitution has always been men exploiting vulnerable women. Idk what you think you're asking.

>>34655372
You are missing something.
You are comparing physical strength to mental strength. Weak men can be physically strong or not, doesn't matter.
If a physically strong man does a manipulative woman's bidding, the damage is still done.

And in every case, whether it's a dumb girl who listened to the wicked woman. Or a a dumb guy. The common thing between the two is a woman used social engineering to reap social destruction.

Which proves my point, that is what women have. Some use it for good others for benign outcomes others for wicked. Same as a man may use his body to save someone or kill someone. Sometimes men can practice the art but never get as close to a woman's wiles and cunning at social engineering. Women are the pros at it, it's their craft. That is my entire point. You think it coincidental the women took to social media like flies? That's a new tool for them to play with.

>>34655154
If you wouldn't accept a man who has watched it in the past but has since committed to not watching it, yes. That's too much to ask.

>>34655382
>Prostitution has always been men exploiting vulnerable women
Right, that's why women create OnlyFans. Oh shut the fuck up foid.

>>34655384
Man, I am well aware of the damage a woman can do with her "womanly ways".

My own mother still routinely brings up my history of bad behaviour, and I can't fight back.

My own father walked out before I was born.

But blaming everything on women is just not what the truth is, you cannot deny women are spending their time saying they are afraid to walk around at night, get groped as schoolgirls by male teachers, can basically get gang raped if they go to India, look at Saudi arabia where they basically treat women like slaves.

Your logic is Elliot Roger tier at best.

>>34655393
Onlyfans is not prostitution

>>34655415
It is "sex work"

>>34655154
>obvious bait
>will stick around on the catalog for days
>possibly reach +100 replies
>anons have become too incelbrained to notice
Joke is on me for still browsing 4channel desu

>>34655396
I am not blaming all women. I will be more direct: I am making a pride-soaked stubborn confrontational masculine appeal to women. Because the truth is, men cannot stop the pornography dragon we can't kill it, we are only capable physically. When it comes to social engineering we are tiny compared to what women can do. With gritting teeth I think men need to ask women to go and kill the fucking societal ill because we can't. You have any idea what this porn sick shit is like? Having heartfelt moments with people you care about and trying to be a man of your own creed and the involuntary urges of sex libido hits you? And while sex drive is fine, and healthy, you remember the years and years of porn you consumed as a teen and guy in his twenties? And you know that vice still lives and breathes inside of you, you may have gotten it under control but it still lives, because pornography still gets pushed everywhere? This shit has been growing pervasively to the point it's harder and harder to escape, even if you go offline. There's days where I silently have suicidal ideation, from cognitive dissonance of being a changed man on one hand, but having the urges and old habits porn dealt to me as a kid. I was only 12 and I looked to it to distract myself from trauma and abuse at home. I hate the industry dude, I really do. And as a man it's like punching a ghost. And us men dont have the social engineering power to stop it, but women do. And generally speaking, women largely keep excusing the industry and their actors. Content with only using it as a proxy shame cudgel to beat men with.

>>34655154
What's up with all the femcel threads lately? Lol

>>34655436
These are economic forces. Porn does a lot, but it mostly makes money. It's a highly desirable product. Moralizing it outside of sexual exploitation or legalities for me becomes a waste of time because it's just young men larping like they have a wound to justify how shitty their life is a lot of the time. U create a wound that doesn't exist so that you can justify how ur a pervert or u never get women "porn ruined my life now I can't have a regular relationship aaaaaaaah!" Etc etc. it's just procrastination. Quiting porn won't save you, no fap won't save you. Doing shit will save you. Taking a risk and doing something will save you nigga. Stop worrying about porn enjoy it or not goon or don't it doesn't define anything it's just a product in capitalism. Remember capitalisms number one tenant is forced enjoyment. Are you enjoying enough? Is your family not manically smiling at the dinner table while talking about aids medication? Are you fucking enough bitches are you partying enough, are u consuming enough ectasy pills did u do tren yet everyone is doing tren and enjoying fucking each other you are missing out !!!!!. Compulsory enjoyment is capitalisms call to action and it's also extremely painful. Imagine your boss telling you that you do good work but you don't smile enough THAT is capitalism

>>34655507
Yeah you're right brother, I invented the wound that didn't exist. I didn't have to drag my dad's writing drunk body off a noose at home as a kid. I was imagining the whole thing. And I did get women and currently have one. I'm not a fucking incel "nigga" so don't address me like I am one.

>>34655154
guys almost have to watch some porn at some point
they learn from it and usually lead in sex so it kinda makes sense

>>34655216
>I want the man to meet the same standards.
Watching porn doesn't make you not a virgin. These aren't even remotely comparable things.

No, so you should just play Love and Deepspace.

>>34655507
>>34655518
And you also miss the point. Let's say you're right. It's capitalism behind it all. The porn industry still preys on people, for a lot of porn addicts the gateway it crawls into is trauma. And then even if you heal or overcome it, get married, have a kid or two. Don't think for a second the vice is gone. The trauma wound you call invisible that's dealt with. But underneath that is an infection that does not go away, and that's the call of porn. It fucking sticks, and the reason for that is because if you were an unlucky child who got exposed to it due to its rampancy online, it sticks in your still developing mind. If that's solidified by trauma, that's permanent. So you do what you suggest, take risks live a life get away from it. It ain't going anywhere. It goes with you because it's in your head, the entire medium of porn deliberately appeals to and targets reaches of your fucking mind that are subconscious, your sex drive your libido, the parts of the human that are involuntary. You can't choose when to be horny, it chooses you. You can only choose to expose yourself to situations or people that make you horny. And you can choose how to spend that horny. That's all. But if your brain got fucking drilled by the porn vector of repeated exposure, and that porn-coded material is rampant even outside of porn (just a music video on your TV packs the same punch) it means your ass isn't escaping that.

Porn is an infection that preys on parts of people they don't fully control. And it absolutely exploits the shit out of people prone to dependency on it due to psychological trauma.

If you think for a one second the industry doesn't know about it and it's not their fault you'd be a fool. Because you just need to look at their genres and niches. A lot of them play with trauma themes all the time. Abuse, choking, infidelity, scenes reminiscent of rapes, humiliation, degradation, you name it. They supply it they make money from it.

>>34655587
>>34655518
>>34655507
And here is the fucking kicker: You tell any woman you were an addict to it, a woman you consider to be virtuous or someone who inspired you to try to be a better man. You're a leper. Get with a woman and try to be a better man, get married, have a kid, and have a moment where you relapse and your wife finds out. Your marriage takes a fucking hit. And thanks to the power of the internet and uncontrolled social engineering proliferated by other women, the word "divorce" is whispered. So you try to be better and bigger than your old life, but carry the fucking infection porn drilled into you as a kid. You fall off your horse once, and guess what the attitude of modern women is? "Throw the whole man away." That's the pressure men have with dealing with porn. Most men shut up about it and just keep it to themselves. And for men who go to men's support groups to discuss men's issues, that's always sabotaged in one way or another. Either underfunded or just villainized by social engineering. I'm just venting now at this point. But fuck my life, women need to understand this porn shit and fighting it isn't as easy as they think. Young men are getting mentally kneecapped by this shit

>>34655415
>Onlyfans is not prostitution
It is, absolutely, and I met several escorts that live a good life earning 30k~~40k USD monthly doing prostitution, so shut the fuck up. Women resort to prostitution because it's easy money.

>>34655518
I ain't touching that

>>34655587
>>34655604
Good post

>>34655604
I'm out of my depth but something isn't quite right here with what ur saying.

>>34655652
Don't worry pal, the porn industry beat you to it 20+ years ago. But for your sake I hope you ain't looking at porn casually. I hope you don't think you're the special exception who won't falter. Hope you ain't got some tiny maybe plan of having a good life to a good woman to get married and have kids. Because if you try to get the better life, and you think the ghost of porn is gonna leave you alone respectfully guess again. And when you fall and you try to fight it, just know as a man you are fighting that all alone. No one comes to help you when you're being mentally fucked left and right by the damage porn creates in your psyche. And if you try to look to the woman in your life for help in your private fight that you are losing, don't expect you will get any. Because they hate you for having struggled with it. And all the posturing men, the simps, they'll have her back to tell her to be rid of you so they can fuck her. And the women who hate men, they'll have her back to, just to watch what she built with you burn. Because vanity is more important than mercy in the eyes of a lot of women today. Good luck

>>34655825
This is what I'm talking about, your relationship with porn is highly neurotic and ur like in a high stakes epic anime battle with it. This tension is highly enjoyable and you are now identifying with it and it's scaffolding your identity. The more u can just realize that it's just not important at all the more u can move on. The greatest thing u can achieve with therapy in my opinion is realizing that everything in your brain is SHIT and the deeper you go the more shit and rot you will find. The answer is not inward, ever. It's outward. You need to stop having a epic roman clash of the titans with porn bro stop identifying as some kind of scorned warrior in the trenches. Watch it, enjoy it, move on with your life. That's why you can't escape it because you created a massive drama around it

>>34655881
>Yes, goyim! Just a little porn won't hurt. Everyone is doing it! Don't you want to be normal?
Get behind me satan

>>34655891
So ur response to me saying that it's not that deep is that the guy who is the main antagonist against God himself is somehow using porn to spread evil directly to you... And also Jewish conspiracy... Ok man. And u really don't see what I'm talking about here? How this is not important and meaningless. You actually enjoy this, it probably is a way for you to bring meaning to your life unfortunately.

>>34655881
You don't see the blatant contradiction in what you said?
>That's why you can't escape it
>Watch it, enjoy it
You point to an escape from it yet tell someone to go into it. ??? I get that you're saying pressure feeds the addiction. But you presume that I didn't enjoy it when I consumed it readily. I was like you, I enjoyed it, casually, no fucks given. You think I'd have been watching it so much if I didn't enjoy it? No shit it's enjoyable, that's the hook. You don't catch flies with turds, you catch them with honey. And that's what the porn industry understands all too well. And the answer being inward or outward. Well riddle me this: I was once a young lad who never watched porn, never intended it, had no interest, I was a kid. Do you think the pornographic material appear in me inwardly, or was it outwardly? The answer is outwardly, because the industry makes sure of it. It's on the computer, it's in your phone, it's on your tablet, they make sure pop-up ads show you it. Back then, those same ads would be on neutral websites. Sold on your lighters as 'jokes' playing cards with porn in them. You're a kid and you go to the convenience store, guess what's top shelf by the liquor? Porn mags, designed to catch the eye. That's looking "outward" lol. You don't seem to understand, society's relationship to porn is one where if you want to break up with it, it isn't leaving. It knows the damage it causes and it just doesn't care.

I'll put it to you this way: a man or woman jerk off or rub off in broad daylight with kids nearby. You and I agree that's a criminal offense.

Put those same porn actors on a computer or phone in the kid's bedroom or his phone, and suddenly no one cares. They will deny and tell the public the parents were to blame for not being 24/7 child monitors (despite knowing parents need to work). Yet we know the internet to be a public space. Doesn't add up. Is it so hard to admit porn as industry is a societal sickness?

>>34655912
This >>34655891
Isn't me.

My post
>>34655921
Also fire your therapist. You paid them what $100 to tell you everything in your head is shit. That means any good your head can dwell on? That's shit. Your virtues or principles or goals and dreams, all shit, just shit. Memories of Grandma? That's shit. You got scammed if that's what your therapist taught you.

>>34655928
No bro u just don't get it and I'm too dumb to articulate it properly. The answers aren't in your head the deeper you look inwards the more u just enjoy wasting time. The whole point of therapy is to realize that circling the drain in your head will not solve anything ever u must look outwards into the world and engage with reality

>>34655912
Look up the Pornhub CEO

>>34655951
>Engage with reality
Unfortunately porn is reality. That's another half-truth they run as well, don't forget it. It's real women getting railed on camera. That's a real camera, it takes place in a real studio. And it's on your real TV screen, shot into your real eyes, where your real brain develops real neural pathways in response to real physical stimuli where you really jerk off. Porn is not a dilemma that's tucked away in so e corner of fantasy land. It's real.

>>34655951
Also don't undersell your intelligence lol. You're not dumb, I just type marathon ass long posts and it's exhausting to keep typing. From the way you put yourself forward I wouldn't say you're dumb

>>34655226
Guns kill people, spoons made you fat...
>contained within their boxes, behind r18+ content only sites
Stop seeking them out.
Stop being the market for it.

Go back to sandnigger land of you don't want to take responsibility for your own actions

>>34655928
Ok let me try again to say what I'm trying to say. I agree with you porn is extremely bad for your brain, it changes the way you relate to desire, it profits from keeping your desire moving, it's the ever modern command of capitalism encouraging you to enjoy fully be sexually free embrace novelty. It's a structure u can be totally trapped in and you aren't stupid for that. I see it through market forces. However this next part is what I'm trying to say.

The part that fucks you up is when you use that as a way to create a fantasy that gives meaning to suffering. Not because your suffering isn't real but it organizes the suffering into a dramatic narrative that only serves to be enjoyed. For example it's not enough to be a guy addicted to porn which is not a big deal. No it's the Jews and Satan and God in a clash for my soul and all women hate me for it, I am alone abandoned in the trenches fending off the porn demon.

That is where u fuck up because all you end up doing is enjoying it. Enjoying the fantasy that you are some guy in a epic battle. You aren't consciously enjoying it like u would enjoy a popsicle but have you ever doom scrolled? It's the same thing. The enjoyment u get from doom scrolling is like a painful enjoyment we have all experienced this ur like in hell but you can't stop scrolling. That's surplus enjoyment as lacan calls it.

>>34655154
Is it too much to ask for a woman who never consciously or unconsciously hooked up or changed her partners like socks in her early to late 20s?

>>34656023
Stop being insecure.

>>34656004
It seeks the consumers out. If you don't understand how publication or advertising works I can't help you. Also great logic pal, I'm going to apply it. I'm going to sell cigarettes to children. And when they get into the throes of addiction as adults I am going to tell them it's their fault, they're adults now, that's their responsibility to quit.

>>34656005
You make a fair point, I am aware that the fight against addiction itself can be a meta-addiction. Fighting and relapse is dopamine same as watching porn is dopamine. I already happen to agree, it's why when I talk to other guys wanting to leave porn, first thing is to tell them to get rid of NoFap ideology. Because it doesn't work and makes it worse.

However let's talk about the dramatic narrative:
>Jews
Real people. Though whether or not they are involved doesn't matter, if they bought our culture as some people say, I want the head of the people who sold it. Either way, Jew boogeyman or not, doesn't get you out of you try to fight the topic.. agreed.

>Satan
Theologically speaking, the modus operandi of porn and the way it does business is 1:1 identical to the character Satan and how he doles out temptation, preying on people looking to escape pain, offers pleasure, misdirects, misleads, you fall, then he accuses you. Porn does the same. Preys on people looking for a fix a short term thrill to cover something. Could be boredom could be loneliness could be trauma. The customer gets it, it's a hook, your initial plan to sort your shit out is now on hold, porn has a death grip on your mind and your dick. Then if you get viewers remorse and say shit to porn CEOs or they are held under scrutiny, they blame you. You hate women if you are against porn..xhamster came out and accused their detractors.
>God
Theologically speaking doesn't hate you for it. Would want you to use your willpower to break free. Yet allows it, strange.

>Woman hate
Look up the top 5 reasons cited for divorce. Porn is up there

>>34656042
Stop being insecure about porn. Just go make it and feel liberated if it preoccupies you so much.
>I don't have a double digit bodycount
Congratulations, you're like 21 and have a 9 digit "bodycount", are you feeling satisfied yet? Doesn't seem that way.

You need the 10th because a time of the month comes and he should lie to you nonstop about purity. Until the time comes to compare the sexual performance he manages to deliver with your previous ones. Then he'd better bring on the porn show.

>>34655154
Are you ok with a man who use to watch porn and has stopped all consumption?
Or how about one who has been trying quit watching but has failed?

>>34655154
part of modernity

>>34656124
Not to be a dickhead, but do not take a woman's answer as reliable on that question. You ask a woman that question publicly she is going to say whatever the current group majority deems as the correct answer. Or what seems optically the fairest and nicest.
"Yes if he stopped, the past is in the past."
Or
"If he at least tries to keep fighting it and isn't doing it on purpose then I guess."

Completely different reality when it's you 1 on 1 with the girl behind closed doors bud lol. Women are like that. They would rather blow their brains out than audibly fart on a bus. Their real honest to goodness feelings aren't aired when public opinion lingers.

The real answer is you watch porn, you make her feel ugly. You did that, because you are looking at other women's bodies. All her body insecurities she had even before she met you? Those are all your fault. You just took a knife and stabbed her self image, whatever depression she gets as a result you're to blame. Doesn't matter if she stopped fucking you, doesn't matter if she stopped being sweet with you, you are a man and you were supposed to be solid and never buckle not once. And because you did, her tantrum is your fault.

If you consumed it in the past but no more? Enjoy the 100+ questions about it. Enjoy getting dissected so she can find out which women she has to now compete with. Enjoy the passive aggressive sniping remarks that get brought up later way later if you fuck up with some other non porn addiction or vice "you said you changed but you haven't.. you're still the same. You are a hypocrite. You're a liar."

When a man watches or had watched porn, that girl's vanity mirror of her own reflection shatters into a thousand pieces and if you don't clean it up, you go bye bye

>>34655154
My first fap was at 15 to a cosmpolitan roleplay article. However, despite my contrarianism, aversion to sex, general hesitancy to try out new things and selfrighteousness, I gave into hentai and then porn within 6 months. (despite knowing that it was sometimes exploitative)
I think what you are looking for is even rarer than you think.

Maybe look for someone who is so busy they never experimented with this stuff out of boredom. Not sure.

>>34656153
>Say you don't watch porn
>Now she thinks you're either lying or a weird asexual
Can't win

>>34656204
I have only known one man in my life who didn't watch porn, ever. Is straight guy too. Just a really kind guy, really kind. Not the fake nice guy kind, the actual 'human golden retriever' kind (yes that's the name some women on social media have for those guys, they compare men to dogs a lot.)
I can vouch he hasn't watched it since I'm describing my brother. Grew up with the guy. All of his relationships never left dating phase. The girls got bored, they left. Remains virgin and unmarried. Thankfully for him he was never fake nice guy, never incel. He doesn't even get angry about it he just does his thing now, has his own goals he actually chases and executes. Dude is my hero, still is.

That should tell you what you can expect. If you're the real deal 100% real McCoy authentic kind man with no vice or edge to him, guess what? You're a golden retriever. Bo-ring.

I don't even hate women either. But I ain't gonna shut up about the things I experienced and noticed with women, and I dated a fair bit and interacted with them a lot.

The things they hate about us men the ways it make them angry and the turbulent emotions the imperfect guy makes her feel? She loves it. "A woman would rather be beat to death than bored to death" that's the saying..it's not literal..no one wants beat to death lol. It's a saying that means "they prefer drama over boredom". It's why women are captivated by dramas, in fictional books, soap operas, emotional bittersweet music with lyrics talking about dramatic emotions. Women want emotions, all of them. Every single one even the bad sometimes especially those. Because if you her feel anything she feels like she exists. It's their addiction, their female equivalent of porn is drama.

>>34656225
>>34656204
I mean look at the OP image, the crying anime girl, looking glamorous, eyes sparkling, tears aesthetically streaming, confronting what is presumably a male who is out of focus there in the backdrop.. hair nice and perfect for the melodramatic scene.

If that anime girl with tears streaming were a real girl in a real emotional stand off with tears like that, I can tell you for a fact that girl would be having the time of her life and you wouldn't even guess it. That's how different women operate, they're from a different planet or some shit my man.

>>34655154
Is it too much to ask for a gal who never uses social media? Are all women degens?

>>34656257
>>34656225
Now check this: I'm am gonna tap out my last perspective I took in my dealing with wahmen.

If men were to tell women, overnight, "You need to stop divulging so much attention on dramas. K-dramas, romance books, emotional tiktoks, the romance movies you keep binging. It's hurting us. Because your emotional energy is being spent on other romances, fictional or not. You should be spending that emotional urge on me, your boyfriend/husband. For us. Your emotional needs are being met by companies that prey on them and give you false satisfaction and is depriving us the ability to connect."

Same angle as sex & porn, just pointed to their addiction of drama and emotional stimuli. Any guy wanna take a guess what the outcome would be? How do you think they would respond? If your guess was "They would lash out, cling harder to their vice, keep it secret and never feel safe to admit failing to their man." You'd be 100% correct. They would pull the exact same shit in a heartbeat.

But here's what wouldn't be the same: We would never nuke a relationship or marriage over their failures or hold it hostage to punish them or get them to submit. But for some strange reason, women think that's perfectly acceptable to do to a guy trying to brush the porn gremlin off his shoulder.

>>34655323
>that women are paid less for the same work as a man
This is a myth, and you are very (very) stupid for still believing in it when it is easily and simply debunked.

>>34656290
Oh and to anyone who has doubts that women's entire operating system runs off of emotion fumes and not their thinking, try it yourself. Run the following test.

Ask a woman the following:
>What would be worse?
>Your boyfriend having sex with another woman
>Your boyfriend being emotionally vulnerable with and/or emotionally supporting another woman?

I won't spoil the answer. Enjoy the mindfuck fellas.

>>34655154
Women say this and will screech if a man wants a virgin.

>>34655216
>bad thing is bad because of bad people so let's keep on producing bad thing and keep blaming bad ppl.

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>>34655154
Not only do I consciously look at porn but I have cranked it to Reina semi-regularly. I love traditional pretty girls with long black hair just like her. It's, like, my favorite thing. Sorry.

>>34655154
It's not too much to ask. It's going to be fairly difficult to find, sadly, but if it's important to you, I see no reason to give up.

t. coomer

>>34655202
>the female equivalent of fixating on virginity is fixating on porn viewing
And neither is wrong, so long as they are willing to accept the potential outcome of staying single.

>>34656257
>confronting what is presumably a male who is out of focus there in the backdrop
Nah, that's Reina from Hibike Euphonium, she's looking at Kumiko (girl)

>>34657525
>Nah, that's Reina from Hibike Euphonium, she's looking at Kumiko (girl)
Ah okay wouldn't have known since I stopped watching Anime, was only a dragonball Z type of guy. Point stands tho, that Reina chick would be loving every minute of the drama and would then make a tiktok to document her feels to the sound of Taylor Swift if she were a real girl lol

>>34656499
It's because when a man wants a virgin it makes her feel undesirable because women's attraction story arc goes like this:
>When she is young she wants bad guy. Her mind is looking for short term mating success. Bad guy has all the traits she could want. Confidence (fake or not), Charisma (manipulative or not), Risk seeking behaviours (destructive or not), Assertive (dominative or not), has edge (from trauma or not). You can see it in every demographic of women even the most introverted and weeb 'foid' chick. If you asked her to pick between Naruto or Sasuke, the bitch is locking down Sasuke. Eren Jaeger or Levi, she's picking Levi.

Here's where it gets interesting.
Bad guys are shit at long term mating success. She does a top 10 anime betrayal and throws him away (yes even bad guys get snubbed, they are good at getting girls, not so good at keeping them). After she's had her fun mistake of fucking with bad guy edgy guy, gets her life lesson served to her, she looks for:

>Nice guy
Your soft guy, the shy guy, the bleeding heart guy who trauma dumps. That guy, she gets with him. So neither Levi or fuckin Eren she's going for Armin. That will be a fling lasting longer than with bad guy. Will it get to marriage? No. Because that's too soft too childish too much feeling like a mom to the man and not a wife (nice guy will either be genuine and get fucked over or if woman is unlucky it was the fake nice guy and she gets beaten to a pulp).

And if she survives that life lesson she's going to lock down a hybrid between the two. Bad-good guy. Guy who is tough on the inside, soft on the inside, but has a solid steel core. Triple layers (Typically these men were the kind guy who became hardened from life being shit. Or a former bad guy who wants to be good).

Then she will marry. If you expect virginity, she feels attacked because she feels she needed the exp to figure men out.

Keep in mind this is just generalized patterns not every girl's path is the same

>>34657791
>Cont
And here's the funny part. The girls who don't follow this typical generalised arc who like the incel always wanted a consistent safe and easy ride, with someone who isn't fucking around, it's the femcel chick. But both the incel and the femcel for some reason hate each other or believe each other don't actually exist or are genuine. You got girls who hate bad guys and hate soft fake nice guys and want the real deal and won't date or fuck until she has found that man (due to idk autistic perfectionism) and the guy who is her double, the nit picky neurotic incel doesn't want a girl who went on the retarded life lesson carousel, wants a virgin.

Put the two of them in a room together and they hate each other's guts. Even though if they both married each other, if the moid + food kissed and made up, both would be happy.

Will it ever happen? Stay stunned and find out on the next episode of Autism Ball Z...

>>34657791
Oh and bonus insights, special bonus OVA spin off to the Gender/romance anime saga..

What happens after the girl finally gets the Damascus steel man? The many layered man, the hybrid who has all the best parts of alpha & beta at the same time who has minimal negative parts of either? The bad-kind man or good-hard man? She finally lands the guy who makes her heart soothed but her womb excited what's finna happen? Is it a happy ever after for the woman?

Hell no. Because the woman gets to the part where every single other girl she ever knew, the Stacy the weeb foid comrade, the basic bitch, the crazy chick, every girl she thought was her sister-bestie for life or at least a sister in heartache, every one of them becomes her sworn enemy. All of them see what she has, and they all launch an emotional psy-op the likes of which scare even most men if they witness it. Girls start clawing at her man, indirectly, or directly, in an attempts to take him from her. Sabotage cocktails, jealousy grenades, rumor artillery, all of it comes out the woodwork. Women's preselection bias hits them, they see a guy who surpassed and graduated from the initiation rite of hard life who became the hybrid warrior-lover-daddy man, & he has "out of reach energy" due to being taken by a girl? Well she wants to fuck that girl over now and take her man. Women start showing up in that guys life, suddenly the guy who never had a single girl initiate a convo with him, suddenly the girls are pouring out the aisles to go and run woman tactics on his ass to either get him to cheat to spite the woman who has him, or, get him to leave her so she can have the matured rugged yet confirmed kind and dependable man.

The girl after all that attraction arc who gets the guy she was after now has to play defense and fight and fend off every social attack from other women who are like other birds flying to her nest to steal her shit. All on an emotional stratosphere most men can't even see. Wild shit