I had been flirting with a girl in my friend group for months and she had actively been flirting with me back. We had plans to meet up and and either hook up or if it went well maybe start dating. I guess the subject of whether or not I was a virgin was never discussed but when we started talking about previous dating experiences I told her the truth. Boom. All romantic and sexual interest gone. Plans were canceled, and she immediately began looking for someone else. I asked another female friend of mine in the same group wtf this was about and she told me that being a virgin at my age is a red flag for a lot of women, despite the fact that we had just started uni. This same friend told me that not having lost your virginity sometime in sophomore/junior year was a red flag for a lot of girls in our area. I will fully admit that I am probably autistic and have very little experience dating but how does a girl go from asking for nudes to wanting to have no sexual or romantic interaction after a single conversation?
>>34670570She sounds like a slut anon it’s probably for the best. You should lose it to another virgin imo, and since you’re in uni there’s plenty of them.
>>34670570It's not expected but not unexpected either to lose virginity in high school. Maybe like half of people do and half don't. Usually it is the more mature and responsible people who don't. If this girl is freaking out about it she is probably a hoe.
>>34670570Just lie. You had some experience but it's been a while.
Anon, you can choose to give a fuck about the greedy people in society. Or you can be like most people peacefully accept impermanence and keep a low-key. Stoicism like that will help you through everything.
>>34670582I have had no such luck unfortunately. I did find a nice girl however she was also not a virgin and is not in school. At the moment I am hopeful but I am not sure it will last. I am still confused as to why this happened at all when before she was flirting with me we were genuinely good friends. >>34670589I had a few female friends who were still virgins until after high-school and they were "bullied" because of it. They were probably being hyperbolic but considering that they were attractive and sexually unavailable of their own will that probably contributed. I actually did try and date them however nothing happened and I learned the hard way that you should not date friends. Ironically both of them also for whatever reason thought I was not a virgin. >>34670590This is what everyone told me.
>>34670570Ask her if she's had her period already, since caring about virginity is middle school bullshit. Lash out in full force. You're getting discriminated again for shit that's not in your hands.
>>34670570>not having lost your virginity sometime in sophomore/junior year was a red flag for a lot of girls in our area.That's BS, they're whores. That's why they say it's a red flag.
>>34670570They are not whores necessarily, but they are materialists, they have a mechanistic view of life which is far worse than simply being a whore.
>>34670570I’m 35. When I was growing up, if you didn’t lose it by 18 you were considered a pathetic faggot. There was a lot of peer pressure to lose it by 18. i lost it 5 months shy of that, thank god.its always been a red flag. women dont want to fuck men who arent confident and tested in their sexual prowess verifiable by other women
You're a product
>>34670570Women trust each other's judgement: if no other woman has ever wanted you, there's probably a good reason for that, even if it isn't immediately obvious.
>>34670719>its always been a red flag. women dont want to fuck men who arent confident and tested in their sexual prowess verifiable by other womenRidiculous. I lost my virginity at 17 and literally fucked and ate that girl out all night for hours due to years of sexual frustration. If anything virgin men should be seen as sex gods due to being pent-up. On the other hand I have heard of popular guys who had dirty dicks and fuck for 10 minutes half assed where the girl never cums but gets a yeast infection or STD instead for her troubles.
>>34670570It is obviously a red flag to anyone wanting to build a secure relationship to attempt this with someone who has no prior experience passed 25.Unfortunately, men on 4chan are unable to see relationships through any another lens than sex.
She likely told her friends and they joked about it before all pressuring her not to go through with it
>>34671620>Women trust each other's judgement: if no other woman has ever wanted you, there's probably a good reason for that, even if it isn't immediately obvious.This. There is a reason why they lust over fucking ugly rock stars jointly orgasming and fainting at concerts ever since the Beatles.Among pickup artists it is a well known trick to wear a wedding ring as a single, to appear taken.
>>34671670Well, that is how life is. Get used to it. Jobhunting will be exactly like this, once you graduate, so better buckle up.
>>34670570That's her problem for being weird about it. I lost my virginity to a girl who worked on a tattoo shop with a big ass that was turned on by the fact that I was a virgin, she wanted me to have the complete experience from the start so we did anal on our third date. Sex is sex, prior experience just helps make it better but it doesn't change much.
>>34671822how the fuck does an incel even end up in a tat shop
>>34671674>It is obviously a red flagI'm trying to figure out what kind of red flags we're talking about when women typically end up with woman beaters and degenerates all the time. Adult virgins don't have any worse personal issues or character flaws that women don't already accept in the men they choose to deal with.I can definitely see why they don't want a virgin, but the idea that virgins are greatly flawed or broken is pure gaslighting. Its basically just a major ick for them.
>>34670570You shouldn't be surprised being a virgin is a red flag for whores. Promiscuous whores are usually allergic to everything that is pure and noble. They rather fuck a dude with aids than a virgin...
it's easy to cover up. your cover will only possibly be blown when you are just about to fuck, at which point its most likely too late.
Virginity is very different if you're a man or a woman, you thought it held the same value and that's where you made a mistake. A virgin woman = pure, a virgin man = socially inadapted. Sorry for this ESL babble, i usually only lurk here but i think that's important for me to post smth for once
>>34670570>they think if a girl didn't get railed by a football chad when they were 15 that's a red flagI wouldn't pay it any mind, as those girls are sluts living in a modern weimar culture that will come crashing back to earth the instant they try to start looking for a serious partner instead of yet another in a long line of casual few-months "situationship" fuckbuddies.in any case, if a girl cares about your virginity, lie to her, fuck her a bit for experience, then dump her, because that's all those sluts are good for.
>>34671674stop roastieposting to troll the 4chan 'tismos, anon.
>>34672145I once asked my wife why women send love letters to serial killers in prison. She said "because women want a man who isn't afraid to hurt people so you know he can protect you." I responded "protect you from who? From serial killers?" Then she laughed and said it didn't make sense.She also told me "you're the single most violent person I have ever met".Don't trust women to have good judgement. In fact, trust them to do 180 degrees opposite of good judgement in all circumstances. This is why we had arranged marriages for thousands of years. Women these days are throwing themselves at "charming" serial killers to save them from "creepy" betas showing up at their doors with a bouquet of roses to confess their true love because they'd rather be chopped up and dissolved in lye by Chad than be seen with a beta. The future looks so grim for humanity.
>>34671338If im a product, I think I'd be something like pickled artichoke hearts or hominy.
>>34672225Alpha fucks, beta bucks, so it seems. But the beta often won't even be exploited for money unless a woman is running out of time with her fertility or she has kids already but can't fully support them.
>>34671674I agree that females that weren't molested as kids don't have any moral compass or values to secure a relationship. Hope your infant female relatives get used as single use fleshlights, whore.
>>34672225Why did she call you violent?
>>34672225Woman always try to justify it by acting as if there are no regular dudes who can fight or protect them, but the fact is they would choose a petty bad boy criminal over a good natured black belt/firearms expert because they simply find them more exciting.
>>34670570Obviously she wants to be fucked correctly its not that hard to understand lol, should have lied and gooned to prepare
Wanted to have a threesome with my now wife and another girl, now, I really don't matter if it happens or not, but my wife thinks I will cheat on her but I won't
>>34672690Hahahahah, nice try feds
>>34670570I've struggled to cope with the fact that honesty doesn't get you anywhere with women.
>>34670570source of the pic?
>>34670570you were talking to a slut. dont worry, anyone sane would not see virginity as a red flag. would you really want to date someone who would throw away a relationship for something so retarded?
>>34670570Not how it is at all. Girls love taking guys virginities and having their firsts only with them means so much more. That's how I know your story is fake.
>>34675000Narc narrative being pushed
>>34670570When you're applying for jobs, they always want you to have past experience. Getting the first job is near-impossible unless you can sell yourself as having volunteering experience, etc.
>>34670570>When did virginity become a red flagWhen social media blew up.I was alive when it was a yellow flag, I remember life before the internet. Virginity for men was only ever a yellow flag socially speaking back in the day. It was a 50/50 judgement call for women to make on a guy, not a 100% guarantee of romantic inexperience. That's why women get cold feet around virgin men it's because they want to meet a guy who has romantic experience, because they are looking for a guy who understands how women think or feel so she can feel secure. Virginity is a marker that women think = "This man won't understand me in crucial emotional moments". But it was only a yellow flag because before everyone became obsessed with instant process and instant gratification, women understood that men weren't doomscrolling they were outside socializing and the virgin men could pick up insights about women without even having to date or fuck them. So women back then could flip the coin in a virgin guy and they'd get a big pay off.We live in the time of "I need everything right now." And that means young guys ain't had long term processes with other humans, and virginity looks more redder and redder to them. And the women are accountable as well because they still don't consider things like the virgin man could still gain insights through knowing how women are cuz he has a sister or has a good relationship to his mom.Tl;Dr the times are tough bro
>>34671620>Women trust each other's judgement: if no other woman has ever wanted you, there's probably a good reason for that, even if it isn't immediately obvious.This was funny to read. I used to think that too anon. Women deliberately give bad judgements to fuck with other women, and/or women fake and pretend to agree with bad judgements. It really depends if the girl thinks the other girl is socially useful or not. Or if the other girl is secretly jealous of something. Or if she felt unacknowledged if the other girl forgot not to wear the same colour lipstick as her because it cheapened her novel look for the big night out. Girls trusting each other lol. Good one.
>>34678572>Cont So here's a positive spin for the lads. Women operate on security, that's their bottom line. They got lots of other fine lines same as we do, power is our bottom line. How men define power varies but it's about mastery. Whether that's over the self or problems or mysteries outside of ourselves.The more times you talk with women even if it's a rejection after rejection after rejection, the more you gain social proof you have insights the more attractive you become. But they won't see the proof of you tell them something simply like "I talked to (number of) chicks". Her mind will simply ask "uh huh.. and...?" (Waiting for what you learned). She will want to see how you speak about women or what knowledge you possess of how they act or react in life situations and if they're accurate and if your own actions show that you are aware of it (showing protective instinct) then she's all yours. The current set up of instant going into sex for fast exp is a fast route for men to take but it's extremely high risk now that we got STIs and crazy people who can potentially ruin you socially or mentally or worse. Which is something women ain't got around to accepting yet
>>34671834I made a tinder account and at the time I was drawing a lot and trying to find a way to make money off of it, and talking to this girl helped me understand the tattoo world. I was 21 at the time so not that much of an incel yet.
>>34678642>we got STIs and crazy people who can potentially ruin you socially or mentally or worsethe first are not that common and easily treatable and preventable. Just use a fucking condom.The second is covered bya basic ability to realize when you're talking to a complete loon. Most of them aren't exactly great at hiding it. And all of those things are concerns to women too, arguably more because a man can theoretically do whatever he wants to her the moment she is alone with him.
>>34681026>And all of those things are concerns to women too, arguably more because a man can theoretically do whatever he wants to her the moment she is alone with him.And that's why men are puzzled as to why women throw themselves at strangers guys they meet off of tinder or whatever. In reality that is a stranger only they have a username. Men are skeptical of women's selective abilities precisely because the internet and social media has blunted them. And they have blunted them because they've given up the most basic of all rules: "stranger danger".
>>34670570Desirability based on sexual encounters is reversed between the sexes and it has always been this way.A man who has had 0 pussy = woman who took 100+ cocks, guy who fucked 100 women = female virgin. It's just how it is.A lock that's opened by many keys is a shitty lock. A key that opens many locks is a masterkey. etc
>>34681507I think it's true but the analogy and gauging is exaggerated. There is an upper limit for how women perceive men who have been around the block. I don't know what their figures would be but I'm gonna guess if the guy's number starts being two digits they think "a guy who doesn't like to stick around."
>>34681522They don't actually "think" anything, it's mostly a subconscious thing. Even if they know the guy just wants sex and will dip after like he did to the previous dozens of women, they'll just rationalize it in a "no but it'll be different with me, i'll fix him" etc. That if she even wants anything serious with the guy in the first place.
>>34681046>throw themselves at strangers guys they meet off of tinder or whatever.Thats an extremely specific subgroup of women. Tinder is like 80% men, and the vast majority of the (attractive) women on thre just dip in, collect a bf/ a few FWBs and delete their profiles. The kind of women who hang out there permanently are the same turbosluts and town mattresses who have always been around and have never been considered representative for women in general. >given up the most basic of all rules: "stranger danger".You're onece again proving that havein zero IRL contact with women is really the worst possible qualification for yapping about them. If you had any, you knew how exceedingly rare it is for women to just go off with some random guy without even doing a basic psycho check.Even club sluts who are dtf immediately will do a sanity check before they leav eth evenue and go with you somewhere else. Which you would know if one of them ever wanted to bang you.
>>34681534Nah they think stuff. What you're pointing out about women is just the reptile brain of females. That part is true and the patterns you are seeing are correct but they also got a thinker in their head too like us. But their perspectives and modality of solving shit or interpreting shit differs. Imagine if all women thought of men was we're power hungry and dominant and just care about cars and sports and gym and cussing a lot and drinking beer with the bros and that's all we don't seem to think anything in our heads lol. Same shit. Women can see a guy who is higher body count and initially feel the pang of interest same as we clock onto a girl with big tits. But she will make assessments and judgements to determine if the guy isn't a lunatic or something. Same as how we tell guys don't stick dick in crazy, not all women open for guys just cuz he had one attractive attribute
>>34670570>When did virginity become a red flag?when jews started to mock it in their movies and tv shows, around the year 2000.
>>34681559No, it's not the same thing at all. A better comparisson is how every male gets a gut reaction when he learns how many sexual partners his girl had in the past, and how it's worse the more she bodies she stacked. It doesn't matter how libtarded he is or how much he justifies it to himself, he will feel disgust and respect her less on a subconscious level.
>>34681544>Thats an extremely specific subgroup of women. Tinder is like 80% men, and the vast majority of the (attractive) women on thre just dip in, collect a bf/ a few FWBs and delete their profiles.The kind of women who hang out there permanently are the same turbosluts and town mattresses who have always been around and have never been considered representative for women in general.That's a very plausible and rational argument I'll buy it.>You're onece again proving that havein zero IRL contact with women is really the worst possible qualification for yapping about them. Didn't know there was a diploma of femininity I had to acquire before being able to form a perspective, c'mon man.>If you had any, you knew how exceedingly rare it is for women to just go off with some random guy without even doing a basic psycho check.Well if they are able to do that, that's comforting to know. I don't know everything about how they think only enough. I'm not a female and that's why I don't know. >Even club sluts who are dtf immediately will do a sanity check before they leav eth evenue and go with you somewhere else. Which you would know if one of them ever wanted to bang you.And if the girl is insane herself?
>>34681574>No, it's not the same thing at all. A better comparisson is how every male gets a gut reaction when he learns how many sexual partners his girl had in the past, and how it's worse the more she bodies she stacked. It doesn't matter how libtarded he is or how much he justifies it to himself, he will feel disgust and respect her less on a subconscious level.Yeah that is true, we do judge women from that. Some guys say we shouldn't but it ain't going away. When I encounter a girl with high numbers I don't hate her, I just acknowledge I am not interested in her sexually or romantically. Her value as a mate partner drops considerably but her value as an individual I'm ambivalent about if she's a stranger. Same as how I don't give a fuck about other guys if I don't know them either.
>>34681507>lock and key analogy.
>>34681534How is that any different from a simp showering Stacy with gifts proclaiming "It will work this time! I love her the most!"Niggas on here really think men and women are black and white when the truth is men and women both think being sleeping around and being a whore is disgusting when you're not insane and actually looking for a long term and stable relationship to have a family with.
>>34682096Both are retarded but it's MORE retarded to do that for stacy because of the already mentioned differences between male and female mating patterns.>>34682083It's true, you can post all the retarded stills from gay anime shit you like, it's still going to be true
>>34681580>And if the girl is insane herself?You learn to run your own checks as a guy eventually. Both genders do it.
>>34670570Jesus fucking christ that girl is so cute
>>34682286>You learn to run your own checks as a guy eventually. Both genders do it.Yeah we do. But apparently majority of men outright find mentally ill women more attractive. Why is that so?
>>34670570Just lie then and say she's about to be your 3rd.
>>34682379I know holy shit
>>34682442Same shit why some women are into criminals and wife beaters. Excitement. Its however a specific subgroup of mostly subpar individuals, not a majority. Like begets like and whatnot.
>>34682633Yeah but we can statistically notice hybristophilia in women is rare. We can see men like the crazy chick way more. Can't remember the percentage but it's majority of men. Its also why in our men groups we say "don't stick your dick in crazy" because we know how prevalent that is. I've had to try and talk sense into at least three other men in my life from bad decisions but they never listen the dick energy too strong
>>34670609This, I knew women in college who were virgins. Not cause they were weird or anything, but they just naturally never got laid up until that point. I've never heard of women even making fun of virginity as a concept, its almost all guys razing each other on who has gotten pussy and who hasn't and even then it's a self merit thing. The world doesn't suddenly change when you get pussy
glowie thread
>>34684172>I've never heard of women even making fun of virginity as a conceptBecause you're a man. When they want to insult a man's virginity they will be more transparent about it. When they want to insult a woman's virginity it's more opaque more sarcastic more passive aggressive more backhanded. When a woman wants to insult a virgin woman she will say something like "oh bless your heart, I'm sure the right guy will come some day" (you're immature, and men are avoiding you).
>>34682276>It's true, you can post all the retarded stills from gay anime shit you like, it's still going to be true.If you have the IQ of a gold fish and don't know what a platitude is.Niggas on here literally get their dating advice from 00's stand up comedians and facebook posts and then have the audacity to call women shallow and stupid. Have you even bothered to think or self reflect on anything?>A key that opens any lock is a master key.Keys are only supposed to unlock one lock, not any other lock. Yeah having a key that can unlock anything sounds cool, but now think about if you are the one without the key. Do you really want a key than can unlock anything out there? This key even works on your own locks, which I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you don't want your lock to be opened by any other key. Even if you are the one in control of "the master key", don't really want to unlock EVERY lock? You really want to stick your key in all those big, rusty locks that only secure garbage? No, you want the clean, shiny locks that protect gold and clean gardens. Thing is, once the lock realizes that your key opens other locks, they are going to change the combo to make sure your key never works ever again until you can prove your key won't open other locks if you are even lucky for a second chance.The truth is that no one likes locks that open for any keys, and no one likes keys that can open any lock.
>>34670570>At my age>Despite the fact that we just started Uni??? Is that supposed to be a clue?!In the real world, some people start uni at 17 and some sart it at 60!
>>34670570>>34681563>>34684713>When did virginity become a red flag?>when jews started to mock it in their movies and tv shows, around the year 2000./thread.
>>34670599>I am still confused as to why this happened at allThe fact you've never scored gave her the ick and dried her up. It's that simple.
>>34673102yeah as always to women appearance trumps truth. when i was in high school i did judo and kickbox, placed second at a national judo competition, could beat grown men who competed at an international level, yet i had girls laugh whenever i told them i was good at martial arts because "i am too nice to be dangerous/violent". as if acting like an asshole is somehow correlated with fighting prowess. the baddest guys at any gym will always be the sweetest nicest guys you will ever meet. but that doesn't give women the tingles.in fact, at the end of middle school i body slammed my then long time bully into the ground in the middle of the hallway after i snapped in reaction to a particularly long and cruel string of name-calling, throwing my things in the garpage, and pushing me around. the bully was the tallest guy in school, dumb as rocks, but had a nice face and was a complete shithead so the girls drooled over him. the moment i snapped at him all the girls rushed over to help him, screamed at me that i was a psycho - the same girls thst spent the last few years watching me get bullied and picked on while gigglingnor ignoring it.basically if you don't fit the archetype women slotted you in, even if you are strong and can beat the shit ojt of people, that is a negative because you're not "supposed to" beat up Chad. youre supposed to play the role of the bullied kid.
>>34671620It's this
>>34675856That's my 13 year old sister dude, wtf?
>>34670570>I told her the truthwhy would you ever do that. I go out of my way to tell people as little about myself as possible.> how does a girl go from...trying to understand women is a losing game. Shoot your shot & move on.>>34670582> She sounds like a slut...why do you think he was interested...>>34686507a reasonable man in an unreasonable world. You will suffer.
>>34686507The reason why the women back then had chastised you for beating your bully is because the women have this fantasy of trying to heal the bad guy. And it's not because they see him as a sexual stud, they see him as a pet project. A scratching post to measure their maternal instinct. You beat up the bully you're like a dog that pisses on that post to them. They get mad and call you a psycho, but the thing is you actually did more to turn that bully into a mature man than the women did when you kicked his ass. That's what women don't enjoy because their glory got taken away trying to fix the lost boy, you came up and slammed him into maturity. If you were to meet your old bully he would thank you for what you did provided he grew up mentally. Because the secret about us men is, if we can handle our problems in a fight we become fast friends after and learn to stop being dickheads. And women loathe this during the early years because they think we're little pets to put on leashes. Also they don't like seeing you as a man throw himself into violence because it risks your well being too. Women want strong good guy to always be at home to protect the woman and if strong good guy dies, she loses her protection and the women wail and widows are created. But women don't understand that between men, iron sharpens iron. Sometimes the strong good guy beating on the bad guy really is what breaks the bad guy out of his stupor and into maturity. Tl:dr you cucked the girls out of their role.
>>34670570Someone who's already had sex with half a dozen people is going to feel weird about fucking a virgin for multiple reasons. Not all of which are judgements about you. And to answer the first question, the 80s.
>>34687354Also what women don't understand is if the good guy doesn't beat his bully, that bully will wind up dead later in life either through self destruction or starting a fight with someone in adulthood in the streets, on the streets there's no teachers to break it up no pack of women to screech for it to stop, instead of school judo slams it's knives and broken bottles, baseball bats, hammers, chains, and firearms. And no man holds back, it's either you kill him or he kills you. Men understand it's best to let the boys fight because if they can learn their physical limitations at an age where chances of dying or killing the other boy is very low, it protects them for life mentally and they stay out of trouble as adults. Men understood this for thousands of years, it's why we held initiation rites and rites of passage to allow both types of men to reconcile with one another for the greater good. But unfortunately a lot of women think we're just dumb blockheads or Romeo simps.
>>34686507Bonus insight is the reason your bully was doing that to you is because he was jealous. He was throwing your shit into garbage and calling you names because deep down he hated the fact that your parents cared about you enough to attend your sports events or finance your future and nurture you, he had nothing at home to come back to except violence and abuse and that's why he wanted to destroy what you had it was actually to get your attention because he would want to ask for your help to help him become like you but when guys are young we suck at asking for help and we automatically assume the guy who has it good will despise us.
>>34686507And no, contrary to popular media belief, bad guy isn't having the thrill of his life having satisfying sex with multiple women. That's usually a narrative the bad guy tells other guys to appear strong, he gets girls attention but he rarely gains a solid relationship and the sex is too whack to talk about. The bad guy bully is already traumatized and dissociated to shit by the time he enters school, his sexual prowess is hit, he can't open up, he has performance anxiety, erection issues, if he tries to touch the girl his hands are shaking not from excitement but fear because he doesn't trust love doesn't trust intimacy because those closest to him destroyed him. And some young immature girls think this is evidence of their feminine charms and she more or less uses the bad guy as a vanity mirror. The minute that bad guy doesn't perform emotionally or sexually as she wanted she will just emotionally destroy what little was left of him and then tell the other girls he was a bad lay and he's passively humiliated. Again not all girls do it, and it's not like the bad guy is this sad victim because bottom line he is responsible for his own shit, that's why the best advice a father can give a son if their son is being bullied is "Knock him out." Goes way further to help than whatever the young immature girls think at school.
>>34687243yeah no it's not
>>34670570Men always memorize who they lost their virginity to .Maybe she was just trying to have fun but not being in a long time relationship and she didn't want to be that girl that took your virginity and you'll memorize for ever
>>34688649Yeah a bad memory for me
>>34688649>Men always memorize who they lost their virginity to .Some of the friends I asked barely remember, if at all. >but not being in a long time relationshipWhere does that weird ass idea come from. The part that vexes me the most about being a virgin is always getting this utter bullshit projected onto me. As if I would jump off a bridge if I had my first time in a short fling. I really don't intent on staying together with my first anyways, I'm not some kind of redditor.
>>34670570>When did virginity become a red flag?Always was.People get attached when they lose their virginity. It's like a guarantee the guy will have heavy feelings and she's probably not looking for that. If you're a virgin, you'll probably have to work your way there with an actual relationship, not just randomly lose it to someone you just met at a party.
>>34670582This, also don't have sex outside of marriage.
Is there any reason not to rape a woman if you can get away with it? If they aren't to give me the experience they expect from me why shouldn't I take it?
Women usually already have in mind the guy they want to have sex with. It's super easy to tell if a girl is interested in having sex with you or not especially in college. If you even get a hint that there is another guy as a second option..that makes you the second option!
>>34678611you understand that they sabotage each other precisely because they instinctively "trust" (which was the wrong word to begin with, but it gets the point across) each other's judgements and compete over the pre-selected mates that every other woman wants, right? I suppose the correct word would have been closer to "covet". Women are inherently covetous, with said feelings based almost entirely on the opinions of other women rather than any of the actual good qualities of the man himself.
>>34681026I guarantee you that 100% of people who slut around while saying "just use a condom" are walking around with HPV and Herpes at the very least. Condoms are for preventing pregnancy-- and they're not even particularly good at that-- not preventing diseases.
>>34689742>It's like a guarantee the guy will have heavy feelingsSo what. Feelings are just feelings and they also apss after a while, as long as you're aware and don't sperg out hounding the girl over it it is no problem. >If you're a virgin, you'll probably have to work your way there with an actual relationshipI don't like the idea of doing a whole song and dance and getting into a relationship that has no future just to have sex. Also Im in my thirties and at an age where relationships rapidly move to living together , kids and shit and I am definitely absolutely not down for that with the first woman I sleep with.
>>34690621>are walking around with HPV and Herpes at the very least80-90% of all humans carry those viruses, dumbass. Unless you're referring to genital Herpes sepcifically, which has a low rate of infection among the population and is easily recognizable.
>>34690614>you understand that they sabotage each other precisely because they instinctively "trust" (which was the wrong word to begin with, but it gets the point across) each other's judgements and compete over the pre-selected mates that every other woman wants, right? I suppose the correct word would have been closer to "covet". Women are inherently covetous, with said feelings based almost entirely on the opinions of other women rather than any of the actual good qualities of the man himself.That's insightful. I understood it but you added nuance which helps. In other words it's a long way to say "I'll have what she's having".
>>34691287So if a woman wants to defend what she wishes to claim, she would deliberately talk bad about the man so other women are deterred from coveting? Is that why girls always talk shit about their exes?
>>34670570Because girls want guys that other girls want. You being a virgin signals the opposite of that.
Man, I may as well be autistic with how little I understand women. I don't even have autism. Just grew up with zero sisters, cousins all male, and school I was always in a squad of guys. Women's sorcery hurts my fuckin brain
>>34691344>being a virgin signals the opposite of that>Me, standing in a busy night street around pubs>A chad talking to girls nonsense random shits>A gal tells him that he must has been with a bunch of women for being fluent with being around women>Chad answers jokingly, sarcastically "No? I'm still a virgin.">The women laugh as if they're watching the funniest standing comedy show of all time.
>>34691395>A gal tells him that he must has been with a bunch of women for being fluent with being around womenIt was a shit test>Chad answers jokingly, sarcastically "No? I'm still a virgin"He passed the shit test>The women laugh as if they're watching the funniest comedy showBecause when a guy "understands the assignment" they are impressed.
>>34691415You are merely coping. I got the same reactions when I was a virgin in my mid twenties, down to a woman getting legit furious with me because she thought I amde up a lie to get in her pants.Women can tell whether other women would want you regardless if you sleep with them or not. You're either that type or you make yourself into it or you aren't. With how man women you actually sleep is at best tangentially related.The average fat neckbeard could plow a hundred prostitutes or plapjak it up and still get laughed at by women afterwards.
>>34691468>The average fat neckbeard could plow a hundred prostitutes or plapjak it up and still get laughed at by women afterwards.This is the crucial hint about all of this. Men's virginity is an extra criterion for women. It can't be a dominant criterion for women choosing a man.Dudes must aware that women(sluts desu. Who have innocence complex and are frustrated by their promiscuity) shaming virgins is because the women are masculinized by the current culture.
>>34691468I wouldn't laugh at it as a man, but people who plap the prostitutes are considered what normies call "for the streets". They are socially rejected if they're found out. They're not kicked out of society but people will be hesitant to make friends or date a man who sees the prostitute. And women after a certain age typically avoid men who saw the prostitute because women enter long game mate seeking behaviours after 16 or so. More and more women adopt this the older they get because of in-group peer pressure. Right around the time pre-selection biases ramps up, so in other words they want to have what the married woman has and they find out the married woman has a man who doesn't bang prostitutes, so they avoid men who bang prostitutes. This is why among men we tell the men who have to never reveal it. Because it's in the past and so long as they correct themselves they're absolutely okay to marry anyone they like. Some women can be rather impressed with redemption arc stories and it horseshoes around back into increasing your social value. I'm not coping or moralising or whatever just telling you what's going on in normie world so don't shoot the messenger (which means don't perceive this as an attack).
>>34691490No the women sometimes shame their female virgins not for the same reason men sometimes shame their make virgins.When a woman shames a female virgin it's a two-pronged attack:"I am better than you socially, bitch"+"But I know this isn't true and more men prefer virgins, so please go and ruin yourself so I can feel better."For men who shame other men virgins:"I am a winner, you are a loser"And that's all. Women who shame female virgins are not masculinized, far from it. They've been practicing that since forever. When men shame other men, it's not masculine either, it's actually a form of feminized behaviour. Because it leans into social aggression which is more to do with female thinking than male. Male aggression is a punch, not "faggot virgin". The only time males do this is when they're young, typically late childhood to teens, because they're not full men yet. If a man has social deficiencies he still has the social practices of that age. But internally in his cognition and problem solving he is a full blooded adult man, just socially scruffy is all and is easily shaken off. "Late bloomer" is what that's called.
>>34691497>to marry anyone they likeI'm not american nor do I move in circles where that 19th century stuff is still a thing. I think its ahorrible thing to never experience stuff with women and get suckered into a marriage with the next best chick. Everyone can do that, everoyne can find a dumpy 5/10 and get slaved into mortgages and child rearing. You're right abotu the redemption arc, but thats all about owning your flaws with confidence, not "social value". >More and more women adopt this the older they getThankfully I found that not to be the case. I'm however from a European urban center, I don't know about rural american puritan communites. I hear gold digging aka "providing" is alos very prevalent over there. Doesn't apply either.
>>34691535>I think its ahorrible thing to never experience stuff with women and get suckered into a marriage with the next best chick.I agree, because as men, unsocialized or not, autistic or not, we are all after something deeper than sex, deeper than lust, something as deep as love, maybe not higher than but a close second. And that is adventure, risk, in other words life experience, to live a life that has many stories, many lessons, many mistakes and many triumphs. Some men admit to it, some don't, but it's in our blood. That's why I think shaming socially struggling men has got to fucking go. It doesn't mean glorifying prostitution, the stigma should remain on those social ills. But what should be done is society needs to really step up their fucking game to actually inform young men better of what's going on socially. They just expect everyone to "get it", and they do not account for autism, they don't account for young guys whose minds were scrambled by trauma. They just lay the full social burden upon their already broken shoulders and then shame them for failing the standards. It's fucked up.I always knew the standards and lived up to them, broke a few rules here and there but I'd seen so many people get fucked over socially way worse and I never saw any solid safety nets in my time. And even less understanding or mercy. Men providing is dependent on what that country is doing. If the women bought into feminism and went girl boss, they don't require men. But they end up requiring mental hospital stays due to spiked depression and anxiety
>>34691552>but it's in our blood. Not in all guys, no.I awas always pissed off at those late virginity "success stories" that end with "but I'm married now". So what bitch, wheres your sense of adventure, your curiosity, your interest in the wider world?I personally took it to heart and avoided women for years ebcause I thought that they would do something to you with their pussy to turn you into such aguy who only exists to change diapers and pay for shit. But then, when I observe these guy in the wild, they are the anemic invisible grey guys who are their happiest when bossman and society tell them how to live their lifes. A whole lot of guys are in that category, and theres fuck all to be done for them, they simply are like that. Its not like medieval serfs were unhappy with their lot, in general. You only get a problem if you happen to be born a serf and want something else, from your own desire and not because someone else told you to live another way. Then shit gets interesting.
>>34691625Way I was I wanted all or nothing, I'd try to live out both. The long term relationships you skipped on you missed nothing and you probably already know that. Just a string of heartbreaks and drama, some girls what to dip into your wallet, others prefer paying out their purse for you, others they like 50/50. I'd have that & my squad of lads at the same time, living like some half feral dude. Because when I was a kid I always figured a man should be someone who didn't settle for serf or noble or king, but went out the box and refused to play the game the way others want you to play it, didn't want to make rules or go after power I just wanted to do whatever I wanted within reason. For me it was all or nothing, let the chips fall wherever. You do that in teens you get success, do it outside of school you're a deadbeat that's what I learned lol. Something autists don't seem to understand is the entire social value system gets turned upside down after you hit 18. You either get stuck in a loop or you fall off, either going broke, going to prison, or dead in a ditch. Didn't like working for bossman either, first thing you notice is it's a crook that made it, bleeds the same blood as the guy who was dealing drugs lol. Life is crazy man
>>34670570You dodged a bullet.
>>34670570who is the female in this pic
Whenever it was that society decided that it's a red flag. Either elope or go find a rope.
>>34670570Getting sex, for people worth having sex with, has never been easier for either gender.That's why.The stats about guys not having sex... that's because they aren't good enough to get it. If you're in the running for sex at all in the first place, you're having it already.
If i found out a guy i was pursuing was a virgin i would bend him over and spank his ass... hard. He will never forget me.
>>34670570You dodged a whore. Be proud of being a virgin. Niggers fuck everything that moves… is that your idol? Pick love and you’ll be happy. Chase whores and you’ll be on here asking if helium is harmless.
>>34670599I'm just going to give you a warning because I was in that same position when I was your age. I lost it in my early twenties to a girl that I didn't tell that I was a virgin, I didn't lie either. I just never really brought it up, and when it did come up, I said I didn't have a lot of experience but have done stuff at a few parties, but nothing crazy (and didn't want to talk about it further because it's private and I don't gossip and stuff). I then slutted around a lot during the rest of my 20s, I probably have a body count of 20 plus. Honestly, these are pretty low numbers, the sweeping majority were only for one night. But still, the reason I bring this up...My partner is currently a girl who lost it in her late twenties and only has been with two or three guys before. She absolutely hates my past and totally doesn't want to hear about it. She'd rather I lie. So my point is, don't overdo it. I regret over-doing it. And honestly, hookups aren't worth it. It's better to just pay occasionally and be as vague as possible when asked.
>>34698166Where do you pay?
>>34698166>She absolutely hates my past and totally doesn't want to hear about it. She'd rather I lie.Thats a (you)problem for picking a partner who is not actually cool with whom you are. Twisting your own wants and needs to please a theoretical future gf is pure cuckoldry.>My partner is currently a girl who lost it in her late twentiesIts also most likely just her own insecurities about being a late starter with little experience. Which is fixed by gaining more experience, but thats on her. Nothing to do with you.
>>34693746>Chase whores and you’ll be on here asking if helium is harmless.Never ever met a dude who was unhappy about having had lots of women, except the ones who overdid it so much they destroyed their pair bonding ability.But I *have* met plenty of cuckies who were coping hard about never being able to find another woman if their wive ever leaves them, desperately wagging their tails and trying to please mistress every day. Not a pretty sight.
>>34693709well yeah duh that is the entire problem doofus, it's that the "people worth having sex with" category is smaller than ever meaning only a small subset of men get any. that does not translate to a functioning society, you will have all these sexless men dropping out and NEETing and you get infrastructure collapse because lower middle class guys who do construction or maintain roads and electricity networks are "not worth ha ing sex with". My great grandafther was a fucking destitjte goat farmer and he was "worth" having 11 kids and a virgin wife from age 20 onwards.
>>34698617>lower middle class guys who do construction or maintain roads and electricity networks are "not worth ha ing sex with"I literally work in that area , and literally all those guys have gfs/wives/ sex. Especially the manual labourers because its leagues more attractive to women than a fat codmonkey neckbeard.You konw why they drop out? Because they're getting paid jack fucking shit and can't even afford basic necessities. So gtfo out of here with your dumbass incel bullshit. Imagine all this convoluted cope nonsense instead of accepting the simple fact that people only will work if they experience a tang9ible benefit from work. And btw, your idea that women in arranged marriages actually fuck or desire their husbands is utterly hilarious. Just ask any pajeet cuck what happens once his wife leaves the hive and comes into contact with men who don't smell like poop and have normal sized penisses.
>>34698746i dont have to ask a pajeet, i can ask any of my grandparents who were arrange married by their parents and have been together for 50+ years or any of my 15 aunts/uncles that were born from those arranged marriages
>>34698832Yeah you may notice that society worked fundamentally different back then.Starting from the fact that it was literally impossible to survive as a single person , it was impossible to even run a household as it was a full time job without electric househole appliance. Do you still need to fire a wood stove today and make food from scratch just to eat? Do you need to go down to the river and wash clothes by hand? Are people still working as subsitence farmers?Marriage in a 19th century sense is first of all an economic partnership. No one married for love. You'd marry a sturdy wife so she doesn't croak during childbirth, not a hot one. And she would look out for a man with a good inheritance who doesn't get sick often.Prjecting romantic love onto marriage as it was in the time of your grandparents is utterly whack. Of course you bond after being through life together for a while, which may result in genuine love, but overall it is not related in any way to the purely emotionally driven voluntary partnerships of today.And unless you're willing to declare electricity illegal, this wheel will not be turned back. End of story.
>>34698858And to add, the kind of guy who is dreaming about his state mandated arrange marriage gf is the kind of guy who would have been chased off the farm by her dad back then. Because no father would ever give his daughter to a whiny nerd who looks like he will fall over after a light slap and is guaranteed to die and widow her during the first harsh winter. I don't know your granddad, but I am certain he is an actual man, not one of those bitch made punks who cry for society to arrange their Ersatz mommy already.
>>34698617>he was "worth" having 11 kids and a virgin wife from age 20 onwards.how can you have 11 kids and a virgin wife from 20 onwards
>>34698884i work on my great grandparents' farm retard. i am living the same life he did only i am deemed unworthy now because having a shitton of land and growing crops is icky and gross i guess. ironically the metrosexual city dwelling nerds who would get killed by a strong breeze are the ones getting women
>>34698926Yeah so he was literally a farmer. Thanks for proving my point.>because having a shitton of land and growing crops is icky and gross i guess.Your granddad was part of a community , you will live in completel and total isolation because farm work is mostly automated and there is absolutely no point or practical purpose to people living in the countryside anymore. >ironically the metrosexual city dwelling nerds who would get killed by a strong breeze are the ones getting womenBecause theres women around them, dumbass. Women havbe to be physically present so you can meet them, and unless you get into hucow farming there simply aren't any on or close to your shitton of (empty)land.Go to the city, grab a gf whos sick of city living and wants to live the farmer lifestyle with you long term and then come back. Thats your only realistic option.
>>34698953Nta but this is the gold nugget of wisdom>Go to the city, grab a gf whos sick of city living and wants to live the farmer lifestyle with you long term and then come back. Thats your only realistic option.Right now in female world, women would legitimately and unironically murder each other to get a chance to get "Homestead" life. It's currently the #1 domestic fantasy of women right now even the ones in denial are devouring media and books and shows about it. They want cute animals, a nice spacious home to decorate to their heart's content and cozy growing of flowers and crops. If you were to take 10 industrialized women and make them compete in a competition like an egg race where winner gets the homestead life, within 15 minutes, 9 of them would be dead.
>>34698953back in the bronze age the village blacksmiths would live alone isolated from the village proper because smelting the ores released toxic fumes (hence the deliction of blacksmith gods as cripples or lame in mythology), but the village ensured that these men were supplied with wives, food, and lived generally good lives as compensation.But in modern times the equivalent to those blacksmith (rural farm owners, mostly men) are abandoned by society, all the young women leave for big cities and only maybe return in their late 30s as single fat mothers. Reminder that this entire reply chain started from someone saying that men who don't have relationships deserve to die alone. So what incentive is there to be one of the few people that grow food the whores and fuckboy metrosexuals gorge themselves on in the big city? As i said, this is not how a functioning society works. What happens when i get old, with no family and no kids and the farm stops producing? I know at least a dozen local markets that will stop getting supplied with potatoes. I guess then it won't be just "my problem" anymore right? Maybe go to the big city and ask Brandon who works as the AI synergy executive delegate chief officer and has 12 side chicks (all on birth control and SSRIs) on rotation to conjure up a few tons of potatoes hm?
>>34698980>These men were supplied with wives Lol yeah that's right they had wife merchants who kept wife stock and piled them on a wife wagon and went around door to door to deliver wife presents like father Christmas No what happened is some father wanted to do business with the Smith and offered his daughter for marriage in return for financial alliance
>>34698979you skipped a key detail in your depiction.USED UP, fat, mid to late 30s women with possibly 1 or 2 bastard kids would kill for such a life. Young women in their 20s kill to go to the big city and fuck around for the next decade or so. Then they return in their mid 30s suddenly stunned and weeping at the beauty of a rural lifestyle (the same women that bully the farm boy "hicks" who work the land when they are young and attractive)
>>34698993Look you might know more than me about crops and shit, but you don't seem to understand women. I'm not a Chad stud man lover boy fuckboy myself but even I can tell you're short sighted. It's not only 30 year olds it's all women, for fuck sake you are living the lifestyle that gives them ponies and horses every girl's dream to own their own horse. Like giving a guy a fucking ferrari. You weren't snubbed because you were a farmer that's a cope.
>>34699018yeah when i was getting bullied and ostracized for being a farmboy hick (sic) they were actually bullying me because of my subpar chess skills, you are so right, those girls were all in love with me actually
>>34699030Girls don't bully directly. When a girl really wants to be a bully, you never find out. What happens is somehow no one wants to be your friend. Or random students you had no problem with before start trying to pick fights with you. Because the female bully makes phone calls and talks shit and tells people to tell another person to get that person to go and fuck your shit. That's a female bully a queen bee who gives orders. If you were getting direct teasing comments from a girl about yourself it means you had a fucking girl who was crushing on you.
>>34699046yeah i have friends - other farmer guys my age who are basically in the same situation as me where there are no young women left to go around. in rural areas it's basically like this:>sons learn to work the land and keep shit running when they grow up>daughters haul ass to the nearest big city they can find to study psychology or social work or whatever and stay there to find themselvesAnd then you go to mass every sunday and theres 20 young guys in their early to mid 20s of whom a handful managed to snag a girl during high school before she left, and the others are single, and you have the mid 30s returnee women who have all simultaneously discovered the joy of rural living after their second baby daddy left them (these women have not seen the inside of a church a single time before they turned 33). But i am sure all of us guys were extremely popular and the girls were all fucking their city slicker boyfriends because they secretly had crushes on us. Duh, so stupid!!
>>34699080This is a weird LARP now. Your use of wording is stereotypical shit. "City slicker" do you currently have a straw of wheat in your mouth as you type? You are narrating this shit like it's a comic book cut out of some Amish shit. When I talk to a farmer do you know how they type? Like what I am doing now because they don't LARP as their own vocation. Keep it up though because we already have Der Schooler, we could use Das Farmer to add to our collection.
>>34699097im not american retard i dont care if my vocabulary isnt up to your standards. but i see youve exhausted every cope possible you had to defend the retarded notion of "the only men not getting sex are the ones who are useless to society and deserve to die alone" lol
>>34699080And there's a massive plot hole in your story. You said in school you were locked on for being a farmer.. in a farmer community. Where the girls grew up to go leave the farm life to spread for city men and come back with bastards. Which means you are lying. Because if you truly were in a farmer community, those same girls would be farmer girls. And they single you out for being a farmer boy???? What kind of autism is this dude. Why would you just invent some shit up about being a farmer
>>34698980>the village blacksmiths would live alone isolated from the village properThat means they had their workshops 500m down the road, dumbass. >these men were supplied with wivesThey went to the village feast and met one like anyone else, fucko. Do you really think that living outside the village outskirts somehow means they were ostracized from society? They just had to walk a little longer. No one ever "supplied wives" to anyone. I really wish I could sent some of you types back in time so I can start listening to your desperate cries to please be brought back as you realize that your faggy ways are even less appreciated in a society where survival is an actual concern. I always thought that "stats mandated gf" was a funny meme, I would have refrained from spreading it if I realized that theres individuals out there who are retarded enough to think that this ever was a real concept.
>>34670570She probably lost her virginity to some loser 10 years her age. She's damaged goods. You missed some pussy but that's it.
>>34699176>I always thought that "stats mandated gf" was a funny meme, I would have refrained from spreading it if I realized that theres individuals out there who are retarded enough to think that this ever was a real concept.That's what happens when people grow up on 4chan they end up letting memes become their role models. It's fucking spooky.WE LOST CONTROL OF THR WOMEN GUYS, FUCKIN GUYS PLEASE WE GOTTA CONTROL THE WOMEN, A GIRLFRIEND DIDN'T MAGICALLY APPEAR BEFORE MY DOORSTEP DELIVERED BY AMAZON. SOCIETY HAD FALLEN
>>34699369>GIRLFRIEND DIDN'T MAGICALLY APPEAR BEFORE MY DOORSTEP DELIVERED BY AMAZON. SOCIETY HAD FALLENIn all fairness its a skill issue on their part for not enabling the hot chick spawn point in their gooncaves. You need to enter afew lines in the console, but it is no biggie.
>>34687354>And it's not because they see him as a sexual stud, they see him as a pet project. A scratching post to measure their maternal instinct.This doesn't just apply to "bad boys", by the way, but rather any kind of behavior that women deem to be "fixable". Are you reserved and keep mostly to yourself, even while going out? That's a crime to them and they will try to get you to open up one way or the other.
>>34670570Ayo don't be ashamed and don't let this shit affect you bro
>>34670599Don't lie bro, don't be a liar for some pussy man. Don't go so lowly for sex. Never betray your standards.
>>34698394Some people actually have standards, that's all lil bro.
>>34670570She was a hoe and probably thought you were one, too. She realized she misjudged her mark and switched to a more appropriate target.If you’re that honest and forthright it would never work out. She just wanted a no-strings-attached asshole and you weren’t it. That’s probably way more the issue than you being a virgin.
>>34700748>a no-strings-attached assholeWhy do you Beta cuckboys always feel the need to seethe about other men. It is not like this the other way around, I never heard about a guy who likes to fuck seethe about another guy preferring committed relationships. If you were actually happy with only getting laid in relationships, you wouldn't feel a need to start frothing at the mouth when you witness others having casual sex.
>>34705635>Why do you Beta cuckboys always feel the need to seethe about other men. It is not like this the other way around, I never heard about a guy who likes to fuck seethe about another guy preferring committed relationships.NTA but this isn't true I see it from both sides of the neck. You can test it for yourself, go make a thread and pretend to be a man asking for marriage advice, watch the pile-on from people who prefer casual sex spewing out 'cuck' or 'divorce rape' or whatever. Marriage enjoyers and casual enjoyers both throw turds around, it's not because of their relationship style preferences that does this, it's just an immaturity thing innit. Both camps have retards
>>34670570Adult virgins are legitimately socially or culturally inept. At a certain point the question is "why hasn't this guy gotten any pussy just by virtue of being part of the community". Virgin women are a whole other story because its so easy for women to get sex every virgin women is kind of insane. You can do the whole christpilled moralfag cope but we dont live in the 1800s and any american adult that doesnt have a sex life because theyre actually afraid of hell kinda sucks ass. (Im a Christian and was a virgin until 20)
