>>34702042
Are you a breedable twink by any chance?

>>34702042
>I keep attracting alt girls?
how?

idk but if you ever figure it out let me know

>>34702096
>>34702132
>>34702227
More insight, I used to be an emo twink with similar hobbies to goth girls, horror, metal, crime documentaries, an interest in the occult etc. that interest led me towards trying to reach for the light

Long story short I ended up taking Christianity seriously and I'm still into spooky thing but my approach to it is completely different and I refrain from indulging in my vices yet I keep attracting alt girls for some reason despite us having fundamentally different goals in life normally

You're stupid as fuck and other stupid as fuck women gravitate towards stupid men

>>34702297
Nta but
Nice you're the same as me except I didn't attract alt girls. The reason is because I was never attracted to them. You attract what you are attracted to, that's the rule. The only time this rule fails is when the individual doesn't talk much or go outside much and therefore can't send out the social signals.

Alt girls/Occult girls/Wiccans/Satanist girls whatever are not a problem to date as a Christian believe it or not, because what always happens is they convert anyway. Occult girls are the quickest to do it too, because they already have the foundational belief in spirituality so that's a start. Then they already subtly believe in a higher power, that's another. And lastly because they poise themselves as adversary to the Church, it indirectly makes them part of the faith only they root for the bad guy. You don't even need to preach at them or even tell them to convert, you just.. treat them like you would a Christian. 6-12 months later she's in church and wearing her Sunday best. Because deep down they want spiritual peace and safety and to belong somewhere. If you want to be that bridge for them to find the gateway that is Christ, you'd be doing God's work. But it's all up to you. Either way if you encounter them just always be kind to them, whether you date them or not.

OP, you probably dress, style your hair and wear jewellery that causes alt girls think "he's one of us."

>>34702379
Good point. I try to be kind to them because more likely than not they've been through some sort of rough trauma and I understand that well so I try to be nice. In my case is funny because as a kid I used to be into spooky stuff from the start with no clear trauma going on but as time went on shit hit the fan and I became your stereotypical deeply troubled teenager

It would be nice to convert such a girl. It certainly would be really wholesome but most of the girls I interacted to, the moment I bring Christ into the conversation they physically pull away, one even told me to not bring it up like ever or she would stop talking to me which of course would be a difficult block if one wanted to start something serious

>>34702394
Not OP
Do alt people really inbreed like that? I always see goth girls thirsting over Mr Straight Edge Christian man, I've had to turn down at least three goth/alt/tatted wiccans in my time. Not even because of their interests just didn't click.

>>34702394
Not really, no. I used to, I used to wear all black, band t-shirts, messy emo hair etc. but now my hair is thinning and I keep it really short and I don't wear black because it's so hot outside that I can't bring myself to wear it so I go for lighter colors, maybe they can tell I used to be like them somehow

Aesthetically I still like black colors but it's not practical when it comes to clothes, at least to me

>>34702415
I'm OP, and it's funny you mention straight edge because I don't drink, smoke or do drugs, never did, I wonder what it is that attracts them to men like this

>>34702379
Nice a real Christian

>>34702413
Yeah my woman told me the same at the start when we met, got spooked and told me not to bring it up. She wasn't goth girl more like nerdy atheist chick. I respected the boundary and just kept practicing my faith happily alone. She was spooked because she thought I was gonna be judging and zealous and condemn her or something lol. She had a cartoonish way of viewing Christians at that time. I just spent convos discussing science and astronomy and philosophy, since that's compatible with the faith. (Most prolific scientists tend to be theists/Christians anyway). I remember the look in her face when I told her a scientist Priest theorized the big bang model lmao

>>34702427
Oh definitely, most people tend to have this cartoonish idea of Christianity which is insane but I mean it's the way media portrays the religion unfortunately. I wonder how I could go about it, I'm struggling to practice my hobbies in a mindful way because I could also lead them further astray if I myself I'm not firm

Thread is full of such bullshit. The plain truth is these girls are attracted to you because you either look like a fuckboy or the relative that molested them and they want to use you to achieve a better outcome and then bail. Don't listen to these retards saying you can fix them and they "just want safety." They only want to spread chaos and flex their sexual power until they have to settle down when the wall comes. Delusional retards.

>>34702425
Interesting yeah that tracks. I had attracted straight edge girls back when I was occult/new age/psychedelic/drug user/alcoholic/addict/porn sick guy myself. Then I change my act, find a relationship to God, clean myself up, and the girls on the occult path hit me up. Must be a bad guy/bad girl thing but on a spiritual level lol idk. Not that they were actually bad people though, like you said, typically got dealt a bad hand in life which I relate to. And they just happened to always meet so called Christians who told them to go to hell, which imo is Satan's work. Because you should always try to point to the Cross, not to Hellfire. It's like they deliberately try to make sure they never see the face of Christ or something. Spooky!

>>34702426
Thanks I try to be at least, it's hard.

>>34702455
>The media that portrays it
It's slightly that but it is genuinely just people in general. When you try to Embody Christ, it sets a very high standard. And when non-christians see you fail it (which always happens because we are human) they grow cynical. Worse still, other Christians can be unmerciful and shame you for failing even though you're supposed to be brothers or sisters in Christ.

Which Christ already talked about and predicted anyway that would happen. It's because Christians ain't immune from pride. And pride is the deadliest of all the sins lol

>>34702472
I can assure you I don't look like a fuckboy, far from it. Which is yet another thing that doesn't make sense, an alt girl I had a thing with used to tell me that I was really attractive, 'gorgeous' even, according to her. I was working at a hotel at the time and most women weren't alt or anything and they treated me like a leper, they seemed bothered by my presence or uncomfortable. So if I'm attractive it's DEFINITELY in an unconventional way, most women find me repulsive

>>34702494
Alt girls and alt people in general tend to be surprisingly soft and sweet when you get to know em brother. I know two goth alts who both converted but kept their goth life style, they're great parents and always help my family at the expense of their own time and ask for nothing in return. I think it's because people in that alt/goth/occult scene, they understand the meaning of pain. And when you understand the meaning of pain, you learn the value of mercy

>>34702490
Yes. I mean to be fair I get it. A lot of Christians have this cult-like perspective of 'who are you to question the scriptures' and it's like, I mean, it's called critical thinking and I'm not questioning the scriptures I'm questioning your interpretation of them lmao so yeah I definitely understand the aversion towards the idea of joining a Church

Bit most of those girls are actually really sweet but they definitely have attachment issues and sometimes they react in extreme ways or feel betrayed quite easily because they had been abandoned in the past, it's really tricky to deal with them because on one hand they are still people and deserve kindness but on the other it's hard to stare into the abyss without being consumed by it

>>34702503
>>34702509
Kek it's funny that you mention them being sweet because I saw this right after I had sent my last comment. But yeah I completely agree. I never found one that I totally felt attracted to both physically and mentally to the point where I wanted to start a commited relationship and I want to refrain from it because I did fall into casual stuff and paid for my sins

>>34702490
>I had attracted straight edge girls back when I was occult/new age/psychedelic/drug user/alcoholic/addict/porn sick guy myself. Then I change my act, find a relationship to God, clean myself up, and the girls on the occult path hit me up.
Lmao that is so funny but also kind of sad. You can't always get what would be the perfect match. Since you are Christian do you believe it is God trying to match sinners with saints so they can be saved or something along those lines? Because that is the only way I can see that kind of pairing ending up as a good thing, since they can try to drag the other person down (either intentionally or unintentionally) and lead them away from Christ.

>>34702472
SHUT UP AND LISTEN! An incel is speaking!

>>34702415
>inbreed
No, alt girls won't try to have children with their brothers or their cousins. At least, not more often then the general population.

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>>34702042
Some foul spirit or entity attracting goth semen demons to corrupt you. Not even kidding.

>>34702509
>Yes. I mean to be fair I get it. A lot of Christians have this cult-like perspective of 'who are you to question the scriptures' and it's like, I mean, it's called critical thinking
Exactly. We even have Saint Thomas Aquinas, his entire work was to deliberately disprove the scriptures on purpose to see if it held up to scrutiny. God doesn't want brainless or fearful zombies he wants people who share in free will and intelligence.

>>34702519
Yeah so just play for keeps, aim for long term and eventual marriage. If the alt girl or whoever still hasn't converted by her own free will before marriage time you can go separate ways. Because the whole "do not be unequally yoked" thing applies for marriage not dating y'know. Wouldn't be fair to her or yourself to continue since if kid comes along they cannot serve two masters, choosing either God or whatever else is in the home. Makes for confusion.

>>34702534
Maybe He does. If all Christians ever did was lock the gates and never interact or mingle with non Christians, we would have no church. You eventually figure out the saint and the sinner are one in the same anyway. It's just the saint was one who sacrificed everything usually

>>34702564
I thought about this at some point. How should I deal with it though? Should I focus on leading them to Christ or do you think that won't work?

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>>34702574
Bible 101 says you must try to preach to the lost souls, so that means you shouldn't go full ignore on them.
Word to the wise, remember King Solomon.

>>34702590
>Word to the wise, remember King Solomon

use agentic ai (demons) to build a kingdom?

>>34702590
Would it be unwise to try to date one of them with the intention to convert them?

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>>34702602
Nope, the guy was suppose to be some kind of 3 digits IQ super king. He was so blessed that he even got an ebony baddie, the queen of Ethiopia, as a side hoe.
But lust is a powerful sin, and just as his father David sinned from the desire for women, Solomon himself became a giga-coomer and got a huge harem of pagan harlots, and his heart slowly went away from God to the idols of his many concubines.
What I am trying to say is, alt goth girls may be nice, women in general are, but is not good a good idea to let yourself get away from what is correct for some pussy.

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>>34702634
You can try, but always be vigilant.
Imagine this
>its sunday
>you want to go church
>you tell her to come with you
>she said no
>she then tells you to skip today
>that she will fuck you all day long
>and do all kind of kinky shit
>you fall for it and skip today
>you think its fine for one day
>truth is, you already have fallen once
>and is probably you will keep falling even more

>>34702637
okay but since i am not as wise as king somomon i won't have as much hubris so maybe i can learn from his folly and make my own demon kingdom with hookers and blackjack but NOT succumb to idolatry

i mean WITHOUT hookers and blackjack

priestesses and twister

see? i'm already so learnéd and humble, standing on the shoulders of giants

>>34702564
>>34702646
Are you the same Anon btw?

But yeah I won't lie to you given the scenario I would 100% fall to be honest, I need to strengthen my faith because rather than me bringing them to Christ I think it would be the other way around kek

>>34702634
Nta but I'm the other Christian former occult dude, it would be unwise to date them with the intention to convert them. Simply because that's ulterior motive. The motivation should be you date them because you feel that you could choose to love them is all, and then you do.

It's OK to want and hope for their conversion as you date, you can even privately pray for that. But if you were to date a goth/occult/wiccan girl, you just choose to show them love, for free at that. Because you remember being down and out and in the dark and God gives you His light for free. So, what you get for free, you give for free.

If the occult/alt girl is darkened in spirit it's because she searches in the dark, they're just looking for something. The Christian calling is to be a light in that darkness. And when they approach, you just remind them it's not your light, and you just give em that for free. If they ask where you got it from, point to the cross. If they don't ask, just keep their lantern lit for them anyway. If they mistreat you, you can just depart.

>>34702297
>Long story short I ended up taking Christianity seriously
L M A O

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>>34702650
Sorry bro, but the Solomon Keys and the Ars Goetia is all esoteric bullshit to trick dimwits, literally medieval brainrot. The fact that you want to contact demons means they already got you. Sorry not sorry, see you in Sheol

>>34702661
Yeah
>No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear.

We all sin, is expected from us, just be self aware enough to not keep failing for it all the time and saying I will fix it tomorrow.

And as >>34702663 said, is probably better to date someone for who that person is, rather than just secretly hoping for conversation 100%.
But I guess that also depends of the denomination or sect you follow, some are more laid about it, others want you to convert not matter what, like Jehovah's Witnesses.

>>34702691
Stop avatarfagging, you are not that interesting.

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Pics will be kept being posted until all soulless faggot heathens as yourself repent

>>34702663
Good point Anon, yes it's wrong to date someone in hopes of them changing, it's not a genuine approach. Where should I meet girls like this though? The places I used to frequent as a teen just won't work because... Well, they are frequented by teenagers kek and the ones I've met recently who were my age (late 20's) was either at work or by pure chance but I wouldn't know where to find one my age to be fair, at least where I leave a lot of people into spooky stuff either outgrow it or hide their interest to conform into society

>>34702691
>denomination
I like Orthodoxy but I'm from a Catholic country so I'm not sure where I stand desu, I have family members who were orthodox but I have no ties with that side of the family other than blood

But it's a good point. I need to focus on the person rather than on the labels. I do need to mature in my faith and learn to wield my interests wisely because as we have seen if you are fascinated by the occult and the supernatural it can make you do either way

>>34702691
I'm the give em love fo free anon you replied to, I rep the white and gold, Catholic church. Denominational differences is where it gets interesting and often divisive sometimes. All I'm saying tho? When the Protestant churches or Presbyterians or Baptists struggle with an exorcism of Demonic presence and fail the exorcism rite, they typically got a Catholic priest on speed dial lol. I believe it's best to take the fight to the eternal enemy directly and in my humble opinion, Catholic church is on the front lines. Bishops even say "The devil isn't in the Vatican. But his office is right next door." It's the church that's closest to the gates of hell and that's where the spiritual fight is concentrated. I respect other denominations greatly though, Lutherans are alright.

>>34702720
>Where should I meet girls like this though?
Petition Archangel Saint Raphael. Ask for intercession, and pray to God to put you on the path to find 'her'. And then just wait. Go about your life as normal and you'll meet her. You won't know who she is, but when she arrives, that's your wife. That's how I had went about it. I stopped worrying about where to meet them or what to say, I just left it to God and specifically petitioned Archangel Raphael in particular.

>>34702691
>calls something brainrot and trickery at the same time

why do you think brainrot lays so nicely on the zeitgeist?

tung tung tung sahur is a call to prayer, literally a prayer bell and club

skibidi toilet is an expression of an age of shamelessness and lack of privacy

what we all already know is easiest to digest without using your "brain"

i'm going to petition archangel uriel and tell him to open the gates

>>34702738
What if they don't send me a wife? I don't know I've always been alone and I recently saw a video of a monk saying that loneliness builds character, essentially. But I'm scared that it could mean that I'm meant to be a monk or something. I mean there it's not a bad thing but to be fair I wouldn't be really happy about it, at least with my current mindset

>>34702738
Oh and btw do you have any advice on how to stop being a coomer?

>>34702756
Remember Genesis. Remember God said "man should not be alone."

>>34702726
Choosing a church is a complex matter, you can try as many as you want, it can even pass decades and you can still could feel as the one you are currently in is not the right one. Hell, you could try Islam as a joke it could click for all you care.
Most actual devote Christians I see are actually trying to be in a church because they want to try to be part of that and see how it works out. People that have experienced that divine "call" are few, and are usually the ones that come from the most traumatic backgrounds.

>>34702728
I believe that the person is more important than the actual church or rites you follow. Not calling shit on any in particular, is just that exorcism is probably one of the most delicate matters someone working in the faith could touch.
The level of mental purity to deal with a demon is a serious matter, it doesn't matter if it is Revered Smith or Padre Gonzales, is not going to be fun when the guy tied to the chair starts spelling beans about how your exorcist of choice once sucked a dick or used peanut butter in front of the family guy.

>>34702791
*front of the family dog

>>34702756
I'm pretty sure if you're meant to be a monk/priest you'll feel called to it and you probably aren't if the idea sounds displeasing

>>34702742
he said no

lmao

>>34702791
>complex matter
I mean in all honesty I will probably become Catholic, it's just easier but at the end of the day they share more similarities than differences and many things are just different labels, Christian Mystics such as St Teresa of Avila or John of the Cross were Catholic and when they were talking about union with God they were meaning to say what the orthodox call Theosis so maybe I could implement orthodox practices to my Catholicism and combine them in a way, like the Jesus prayer

>>34702769
>>34702812
That's true. I will reflect on my own spiritual journey and avoid seeing myself or others as a label in the meantime

>>34702767
>Oh and btw do you have any advice on how to stop being a coomer
Yeah, pray to God to give you the strength to overcome, always ask for the tools and/or resolve to overcome rather than the battle lifted from you. Also, pray for the willingness to emulate Christ and to follow Ephesians, to put away the Old Self which was made by the World, and to equip the New Self, which was made in God's image. That new self is Christ, hence the title of Christ-ian. We are called to try and become Christ-like. We'll always fall short but praying to keep getting up and fighting is what helps. For practical tips on what you can do beyond prayer, the basic goal is to put temptation out of a job. Find out what void in your life porn has been occupying, evict the porn, and make sure you have an activity to replace it. So you use addiction against itself, weaponizing temptation to work against itself, forcing the snake of temptation to devour itself.

>>34702791
>The level of mental purity to deal with a demon is a serious matter
Fearlessness is what it takes I imagine. That and insights, a lot of exorcists also study the occult and it's a requirement. To best a snake you gotta think like one to anticipate their move I suppose. Christ says to be as wise as the serpent yet harmless like the dove.

>>34702825
>Theosis
It's permitted to believe in Catholicism, it just isn't taught. Laity can believe it, it's not against Church doctrine or contradiction. Same with Panentheism, that's fine as well. So long as you don't profess to understand more than the church fathers or undermine tradition you're all good. Eastern Catholic rites are open about theosis and Panentheism too. Early churches were most definitely that way as well

>>34702817
It's because it ain't time to roast marshmallows yet also there's a heatwave going on it would be rude to open the gates of hell at this time of year

>>34702738
Did it work for you?

>>34702825
Just try whatever you feel like trying, as long as God is the most important thing and you really feel deep inside you that you are not doing something wrong, everything should be fine.
In many ways, going to church is like going to the gym, you go because you want be healthy, but you may not like on in particular, or may get lazy and stop going. To be truly called is the equivalent of wanting to be an Olympic medalist, you go the gym because you truly believe is your destiny to become one.

>>34702833
To be an exorcist means to be directly backed up by God, not matter how much occultism or rites you study.
Some random pastor in some no-name town in a backyard chapel could actually exorcise someone by sheer faith and love, and don't need the intervention of some elite Vatican black ops exorcist with decades of learning and experience.

>>34702842
What about prostrations? I just want to keep the prostrations, the Jesus prayer and my prayer rope but as long as I can use them in Catholicism I have no issues converting. It's more practical for me geographically-wise

>>34702849
it's gotta be soon
>>34702874
>i-is it okay if i talk to God like this daddy? i w-would hate to offend you with improper worship of He Most High, a-am i loving God c-correctly daddy?

>>34702874
I got prayer rope hanging above my bed brotha. That's fine too, I even got it blessed by a priest. The Jesus prayer is a-okay. As is prostrations, that's fine too.

If you're coming over from Orthodoxy the only big theological change is going to be filioque I imagine.

>>34702881
>It's gotta be soon
Hopefully. I want the sky to erupt, the bowls to fill, the horns to sing, Christ returned, Satan annihilated and all of his legion with him so time itself draws to a close and I get to go home if it's God's will. The world is tiresome at this point

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What is called when one believes in God, but not the abrahamic God? I was raised protestant all my life, but I have come to learn way to many inconsistencies, to ever take Christianity too serious.
Yet I know there is something out there.

>>34702890
maybe he'll listen to you idk

i'm kind of on a mission for the morrigan right now he might need me to finish that up first

>>34702872
>>34702884
Thank you for the insight Anons, I appreciate it. At the end of the day Catholicism and Orthodoxy have more similarities than differences, both pray for Saints, have icons, believe and pray to the Virgin Mary etc I mean Catholics believe in purgatory and Orthodoxy believe that when you die you go to Hades or Paradise and you essentially wait there until the final judgment where you will be sent to hell or heaven but in the meantime you can still pray for the deceased

>>34702904
>I was raised protestant
>I noticed too many inconsistencies
Not trynna be a smartass but yeah that kinda happens when you go protestant. No church fathers or sacraments typically means loss of consistent understanding of the faith. Not poking fun at Protestants as individuals though. God knows they got attributes we could learn from like their zeal is great.

>>34702990
NTA but yeah you have people like C.S Lewis who is quoted by pretty much everyone and is widely respected by Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox... Even atheists quote him from time to time

>>34702969
It gets comical when you look back and understand one of the major reasons why there had been a split in the first place. One major reason was because a Greek dude was told by the Pope he is not allowed to dip the communion into wine like it were soup. And he got angry and closed all the latin masses in protest and then he got ex communicated so he said to the Pope 'no u' and declared himself an authority to ex-communicate the Pope. Funny times.

>>34703002
C.S. Lewis yeah, also Billy Graham was very popular in Catholic circles too as well. Protestants have good fruits of the faith, no question. Very scholastic in their study of scripture, and they typically foster local community much more effectively than Catholic churches I'll say that much, willing to spend more money in family events or community projects outside of their church to draw crowds.

>>34702913
Morrigan of Irish folklore? Yeah it's just a spirit of gossip that can take hold of women that's all. Just a different form and name of the same spirit of slander that tries to make women's tongues speak death instead of life that's all bro.

>>34702422
>I don't wear black because it's so hot outside
I see so many tourists in my village walking around in black and it's 32C.

>>34702490
>Thanks I try to be at least, it's hard.
NTA, but I strongly suspect they were being ironic.

>>34703039
Even if someone is sarcastic, you can choose to believe they were paying you a compliment
Choose joy over cynicism

>>34703039
Maybe but I didn't catch that vibe. Wouldn't make sense if it were ironic since i didn't speak false right? Christians are called to go cheer up their local goths. Cheer up a goth today!

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>>34702990
Catholics I find even more nonsensical, the saints veneration and the pope himself is enough for me to know is just a roman aberration.
I guess I have just grown a distaste towards anything abrahamic or simply can't see it work from my own point of view of the world.

>>34703035
I really can't. I went backpacking for a couple of years so I started buying new clothes because I didn't have many and I bought them in some outdoor shops because I was living near the mountains so I went for lighter colors and you definitely can tell the difference. I'm not against wearing black but I can't bring myself to during summer lmao

>>34703051
Wanna know something that will blow your mind? Caspar, Melchior and Balthazar were three pagans, three Zoroastrian Magi astrologers, three wise men, who used astrology to find infant Jesus to pay worship. Three pagans were the first humans outside of the holy family to set eyes on Christ. Really gets the noggin' joggin'

>>34703051
>the pope himself is enough for me to know is just a roman aberration
I mean, the way the Apostolic faiths work is the notion that their authority has been passed down. With Catholicism, the authority Jesus gave to St. Peter with the Keys to Heaven, the power to bind and loose, is also something passed down.
What are the part of saint veneration you find hard to understand?

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what religion or thing do i have to believe to get queen nephie i will immediately convert and uphold whatever contact makes that God satisfy my only wish

>>34703087
I know she doesn't act like that in real life but fuck that persona she was presenting was unbearable

>>34703087
Smart money is on Christianity (Catholic). I'm not just saying that out of bias but even before I believed, every single goth girl came from Catholic homes, 99% of the time. They're just Catholic girls that are on their rebellion saga

>>34703066
>You shall have no other gods before me
>Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Why make an Ave Maria when you can ask Jesus, even God directly?

>>34703109
Because those who are in heaven you can pray to. Prayer is just a form of communication, like words. Like the text right now even, I can use these words to idolize you and worship you or just benignly talk to you or insult you. When Catholics pray to Mary or a saint, it is not to worship, it's to petition or pay honor. Typically we're big on paying honor to Mary because it's common sense to honor someone's mother, especially if it's the mother of Jesus we're talking about here. Admittedly there is, or was, Marian circles in the Catholic community that got carried away, calling her a "co-redeemer" though they were fringe but loud, they recently nerfed that title and set things straight in the Vatican recently, happened couple years ago.

>>34703109
Because they're closer to God than us, being of the cloud of witnesses in direct communion with Him, and the prayers of a righteous man are more effective. They're not gods themselves, and still obtain all their power from God, even if it's in the sense of a relic like with Paul's handkerchiefs or the bones of Elisha.
Moreover, are you aware that, in the Davidic tradition, the title of queen began to be used for the queen of the king rather than the wife beginning with Solomon? And that people would come to the queen as a means of asking favors from the king, who was meant to honor their father and mother? With Christ being the King of Heaven, it's a reason the title Queen of Heaven is applied to His Mother.
>>34703128
Didn't the co-redeemer title, in context, refer to the concept of Mary inwardly experiencing everything Christ experienced at Calvary as fulfillment of "and thy own soul a sword shall pierce"? While the title is bound up, I don't believe it was the concept itself that was declared false.

>>34702297
Cringe x100000000000

>>34703159
>Didn't the co-redeemer title, in context, refer to the concept of Mary inwardly experiencing everything Christ experienced at Calvary as fulfillment of "and thy own soul a sword shall pierce"? While the title is bound up, I don't believe it was the concept itself that was declared false.

Nope the Marian sect dead ass tried to say she was a co-redeemer of humanity, and that Christ's salvation was 50% owed to her, so pretty heretic and teetering on the edge of blasphemy.

>>34703167
That seems a little off. I was under the perception it was more of a prudential decision on what kind of scandal or confusion the title of "Co-Redemptrix" can cause.

>>34703128
>>34703159
From my point of view, no believer should seek to pay honor to these saints, even if it is not with the intent of worship, dedicating something like a prayer to them is like twisted mockery of actual veneration to God or Jesus.
They hold no power, whatever miracle they did in life was thanks to the will of God.
The only human that deserves veneration in any type of religious way is J man himself.

>>34703176
Well the entire title had beared the meaning, and it had to go. Salvation was a one man job lol. Besides I think Protestants take more issue with how we designate her as the "Queen of Heaven". That one usually drives them up the wall

>>34703178
When Jesus spoke of us having brothers and sisters and other family members in Heaven, who do you think He was referring to?
>whatever miracle they did in life was thanks to the will of God
That isn't in dispute here. They still do all they do through God, through which all is possible. And, as they are the gems of Heaven God has chosen, we pay God a compliment when we praise them, not unlike how someone may compliment you by saying they like your clothes.

>>34703178
If we're not allowed to pay honor to the saints, then why pay honor to anything on Earth? Those in Heaven are not dead, they are more than alive. Those on Earth are simply alive. We can honor each other down here, yet we cannot honor those 'up there'?

There's tiers to these things
Worship
Adoration
Veneration
Honor
Petition

Worship is only meant for God & Christ. Everything else is not considered worship. Worship is submission, to declare this being (God/Christ) holds the upmost authority over you. That's the definition of worship as traditionally understood. In Catholicism we are keenly aware only God & Christ are the only authorities. If we had a very bad evil pope one day and we had to choose between Christ or the Pope, we'd watch that Pope sent to Hell. The Seat of the Vatican is intended for Christ, the Popes are just keeping it warm until His return.

>>34703178
can you address this specifically in your condemnation?

>Because they're closer to God than us, being of the cloud of witnesses in direct communion with Him, and the prayers of a righteous man are more effective. They're not gods themselves, and still obtain all their power from God, even if it's in the sense of a relic like with Paul's handkerchiefs or the bones of Elisha.

>>34703178
>>34703212
Here is another simple what to help protestant bros understand it, why we Catholics see the Bible in a different light.

"Thy will be done as it is in Heaven".

We take Christ very literally. When we read of His words, we don't just see lessons for life, we see sacred duty to prepare this world for what is to come. We have Popes, Cardinals, Archbishops, Bishops, Priests, Deacons, Nuns, Altar Servants, etc. Because Heaven has Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones, Dominions, Virtues, Powers, Principalities, Archangels & Angels. All orders of angels, and we make orders of men to reflect that. The Catholic mission is to reflect, quite literally, the Kingdom of Heaven upon the Earth. Because we truly believe in the end of times, and preparations must be made.

>>34703212
I think you might be throwing some confusion into how authority is seen in the Church.

>>34703234
Not really. I've yet to meet a single Catholic who would disagree that Christ's authority is supreme and infinitely greater than any single Pope.

>>34703243
Sure, but I'm wondering if it throws a monkey wrench into understanding things to use "only authorities", even if all authority still comes from God.

>>34703208
>>34703212
>>34703214
They can be figures to be admired and to strive to be like, just like many other characters in the bible. But that is it.
The second you turned this into some kind of ritual is when everything turns weird.

>yet we cannot honor those 'up there'?

We are of the earthly world, whatever is outside of it is not of your concern, only Jesus and God. Trying to talk with things beyond your reach may fall at the same level as talking with the dead and demons.

Likewise, those up there have no reason to meddle nor hear whatever we have to say. God already have designated messengers (angels) to deal with world in his stead.

>>34703234
all institutional religion deliberately makes you afraid to praise God incorrectly as a means to control you

>>34703264
If the CEO gives authority to a supervisor, and then the supervisor tells you one thing, but the CEO declared another, you listen to the CEO. If Christ tells you something, but if a Pope were to contradict Christ, you pick Christ, doesn't matter if Christ granted successive authority to that Pope is what I'm saying. The Papal office is what we venerate, not necessarily the Pope himself. The office, that is the head of the church, was established by Christ himself, that's Christ's work passed down. The person carrying out that work, the Pope, they are just humans. The only time they are infallible is when they speak infallibly, which is rare. The last time that happened was in the 1950s.

>>34703268
It's not a ritual, it's sacrament. Sacrament is memory turned into action, Christ's memories. We have communion and wine because that's what Christ did, bread and wine. We participate in making crosses out of palms, because that's how he was greeted when he rode into Jerusalem, we take every major action of his life and use our very actions to emulate it, to make His life death and resurrection a tradition. Because it's not enough to just talk about Christ and read about Christ, we are called to act like Him too, and the sacraments facilitates this so that we can go out into the world and try to be as Christ, knowing fully we are not Him, yet trying. Not just for a mission or a pastoral sermon, but from the minute we wake up till we go to sleep erry day my man, that's the work Christ left for us. Yes we know the requirement for salvation is to confess Christ, but we also know that only saves our skin. But what if our neighbours? What of the world? So we embody as best we can, because if we don't, the world embodies the father of deception instead. It's a spiritual war for a reason.

And whatever is outside our world is our concern, God made that our concern when He chose to become Man.

>>34703272
No, but scrupulosity might.
>>34703268
>Likewise, those up there have no reason to meddle nor hear whatever we have to say.
Do you think the will of those in Heaven is any different than God's, or that He deliberately hides such info from those in direct communion with Him? What, if anything, do you believe God answers of those in Heaven if asked?
Suppose, as a certain nun once prayed, someone asked of God, "I want to spend my Heaven doing good for others." Do you believe God would deny this prayer entirely, and if so, why?

>>34703371
my bad i'm retarded that word does not conjugate intuitively

*bows out meekly*

I wish I could.

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>>34702297
>I ended up taking Christianity seriously
Can you explain how you came to believe in Christianity? Not asking to poke fun or critique, I just want to understand the thought process. I'm asking because I've never been able to understand.

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>>34702379
>You attract what you are attracted to, that's the rule

.. no it isn't. Dumbest thing I've read on 4chan.

I'm not attracted to fat, arrogant, delusional stupid, incompetent cunts but I keep having to swat them down. If anything I find them completely repulsive.

Hmm, now that I think about it, I too attract mostly alt girls. Though in my case most people can tell to a certain extent based on my hair, and also my attitude (cynical/edgy), I also used to be a scene kid in highschool, like full twink mode, I got hit on by older alt women at the time too. Anyways, it's most likely an inherent thing, like you can just tell when someone's a little "off" or different from the typical norman. I will say though that alt girls are fucking crazy and there's a reason a lot of them remain single way into their late 20s.

>>34707403
>Dumbest thing I've read on 4chan.
Welcome, new friend.