Its all relative bro. If you are not a cool guy who takes good care of his body and has things going for him then no its not good to have such high standards. If you are on top of your shit and you are a joy to be around the dont settle.

>>34706990
If you're past high school or college, the chances of finding someone like that are slim. You will just get weirder as time goes on and eventually you'll be undateable.

>>34707019
I workout (muscle + abs), have a steady 6 figure job, lots of hobbies and travel a lot, but I'm about 30 now. Is it too late? Only been hanging out in bigger cities, so it's slut galore. I'm meeting chicks easy, but 0 I'd marry. Tempted to travel to smaller areas, maybe a college tour until I get lucky.

>>34707025
Is 30 too late? Had virgin gfs in high school/college, even took some virginities, but back then I didn't have any income or savings, so I didn't want to tie myself to anything serious. Tempted to just go hardcore on IG + dating apps, then locking a girl and having her delete her IG (virgin + no social media sees the best odds for success), then go the family route. Open to any ideas.

>>34707046
I made sure to really emphasize that you need to be cool and a joy to be around because most fags will point to height and income and dick size and bench press and ignore the personality shit which really is like 60% of the equation imo

>>34706990
>Is 30 too late? Had virgin gfs in high school/college, even took some virginities, but back then I didn't have any income or savings, so I didn't want to tie myself to anything serious. Tempted to just go hardcore on IG + dating apps, then locking a girl and having her delete her IG (virgin + no social media sees the best odds for success), then go the family route. Open to any ideas.
You can always date younger but even the majority of early 20s women already have experience. I think staking everything on virginity is a bad idea because there are so many others factors you already have to worry about. Just don't marry a hooker or something.

>>34707051
how would you define being fun to be around? I'm not a court jester, but like I said I have a lot of hobbies and travel often. I'm passionate about a lot, creative, and witty. I just don't drink, so I'm sure a ton of people wouldn't find me fun in that context.

>>34707058
> I think staking everything on virginity is a bad idea because there are so many others factors you already have to worry about
Yeah, I'd count for everything, but I'm just trying to ask if it's fair to consider virginity as a baseline, then extrapolating from there (values, character, loyalty, honesty, shared humor, effort to growth etc). I feel most the time you can mold the girl if the baseline is good anyhow.

>>34707076
>Yeah, I'd count for everything, but I'm just trying to ask if it's fair to consider virginity as a baseline, then extrapolating from there (values, character, loyalty, honesty, shared humor, effort to growth etc). I feel most the time you can mold the girl if the baseline is good anyhow.
95% of women already had sex before marriage. That baseline is actually a very severe filter which will reduce your dating options to 5% of women.

its good advice if you want to marry and have a marriage, with children ie the long plan and investing. marriage isnt for everybody tho, not all people are compatible in such a way.

>>34707076
>I don’t drink
>im not a jester

Yeah I diagnose you with not having game. Not that these are some definitive proof but I can just tell. You should try to find a girl who is a good and loyal person. You will have much better odds of ending up happy if you make that your top priority over anything else.

>>34707080
5% is perfectly fine. Did you read my posts above? I'm willing to tour around the world to find the ideal wife/mother to my kids. If I were to meet 20 girls to meet 1 virgin that would be fine. I'm also ok having to do this like 10+ times, so I'd be meeting 10+ virgins.
I'm also willing to make a perfect IG, interreact daily with it, plus perfect dating profiles with premium, and some cold approaches and even going with my buddy to Turkey to get hair transplants for like $8k each. My hair is thick but receding just a bit, but after that it'll be like a 20 year old again.

>>34707081
I mean, why stay single and risk an early suicide. Most people regret having no kids by 40s.

>>34707103
I don't like bar girls and bar dudes nor the taste of alcohol. I'm kind of a patrick bateman type perfectionist with my body/mind/money. I don't really have game, but I'm very direct. Like I can go up to girls who give positive body language to me, give a compliment, then ask if they're single quickly without flinching. No wasted time building rapport for hours giving them free validation or wasting money on drinks or free meals. I'm straight to the point.

>good and loyal person
Yeah, I agree, but I feel this is more common than the virgnity thing and someone willing to delete social media (more likely to be good and loyal without dudes dm-ing them etc).

>>34707143
>5% is perfectly fine. Did you read my posts above? I'm willing to tour around the world to find the ideal wife/mother to my kids. If I were to meet 20 girls to meet 1 virgin that would be fine. I'm also ok having to do this like 10+ times, so I'd be meeting 10+ virgins.
>I'm also willing to make a perfect IG, interreact daily with it, plus perfect dating profiles with premium, and some cold approaches and even going with my buddy to Turkey to get hair transplants for like $8k each. My hair is thick but receding just a bit, but after that it'll be like a 20 year old again.
That's fair, if you have that kind of time then go for it.

grow up

>>34707196
Someone that built a stable career, delayed instant gratification for almost a decade saving 6 figures in the bank, and now wants to build a family is not trying to grow up?

>>34706990
no. there are good single mothers who just lost their husband to war or firefighters in an arson. that rule rules out all early widows and they're not bad people

>>34707213
My sympathies to them and I wish them the best, but I'm not going to take care of a single mom and her kids. 0 chance. I'm not a cuck.

i am sorry, because i have the same mindset as you, but that thing just is not possible anymore. you are looking for women that are so rare that the chance of you dying alone while waiting to find one is much greater than you ever finding a woman like you describe. i am in the phase of coming to terms with this since i am in a similar situation to you >>34707203

but you need to understand that we made the wrong investment, took the wrong strategy. the winning strategy was to put all your energy in high scjool into securing one of the few girls who fit the criteria back then and locking her down ASAP, instead of focusing on building a career, going to a good school, getting money etc. We just made a misplay, and there is no recovery. sorry. Now you either refocus your criteria or that's it.

>>34707259
>put all your energy in high scjool into securing one of the few girls who fit the criteria back then and locking her down ASAP
I tried this. Dated a gf in high school for 2 years, but realized she stressed me out too much (always dealing with her problems), so I broke up and that was that. Sad to say the other options werent very good either. No idea what to do. Every girl just seems like a bad partner. If they're loyal, they're dumb. If they're smart, they're monkey branching. If they're incredibly pretty, they're dumb and have other issues other guys wouldn't want to deal with. I don't know man. I don't want to live a sad life later on and end it early.

>>34706990
Depends on your values and goals, and whether we're talking about a particular individual or as a general rule.
If it's something you care about, then duh, sticking to it is solid advice, but that doesn't mean it comes without tradeoffs.

You in particular are a hypocrite, expecting women to have not done exactly what you yourself demanded of them before. It's not going to be that hard to find someone willing to look past it, especially if you're outwardly presentable (fit/gainfully employed/sociable) and willing to put in outsize effort. But the kind of woman who would look past it isn't necessarily going to embody all the qualities you'd like.

>>34707340
men and women are not equal. I can't give birth. I don't expect them to be providers. There's double standards for sure.

>>34707381
It takes two to have sex. It doesn't matter how different men and women are. Your own behavior is at best selfish and destructive, if not downright self-defeating.

>>34707046
Why didn't you marry the girls who's viriginities you took if no hymen no diamond is so important to you?

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>>34707452
Found out they wouldn't make good wives or mothers. Way too neurotic. Only took one girl's virgnity though after being together for some months. The others I didn't touch since I was actually waiting for marriage. I stopped being religious after high school, so I personally stop caring to wait, but I know it's important for pair bonding.

>>34707409
ok it's a double standard, like I said. That's my standard just like it takes two to provide for kids and I know every girl will expect me to be the main/sole provider. That's their standard. They don't want a stay at home dad and that's ok. I'm not for everyone.

>>34707203
Just because you did what society expected of you just to land a "woman with a hymen" doesn't mean you're mature.

Society produces people like you just like it produces serial killers, delaying gratification for years is psychotic.

>>34706990
>Is "no hymen no diamond no exceptions" good advice?
No. It's resoundingly dumb advice. There are far far more important things to a happy marriage then the presence of a flap of skin in her crotch.

>>34707496
That graph does not represent what you think it does.

>>34707496
>Only took one girl's virgnity though
Sorry, you said "viriginities" in your post so I thought you meant multiple.
>I stopped being religious after high school
I agine most girls who are still virgins now are religious (after all, you stopped caring about virginity when you lost your religion), why would they want to marry someone who is not?
>Found out they wouldn't make good wives or mothers. Way too neurotic.
This confuses me the most. The reason you want a virgin wife is because only they make good wives and mothers however amongst the multiple virgin girls you dated you thought none of them would make good wives/mothers? So why exactly do you think virgin women make good wives/mothers if your own personal experience convinced you that that was not the case?

>>34707576
>agine
*imagine

>>34707537
>had sex with a bunch of women in high school and college but now I DESERVE a virgin tradwife because of /pol/ memes
>delayed gratification
I can have my cake, eat it too AND not eat it so I can enjoy it for later?

>>34706990
No, I don't think it is good advice

Depends on what you're looking for.

It's the most prudent, so it should be your standard strategy, but there are always exceptions.

>>34706990
Fuck off, Muhammed!

>>34707756
Don't give the mohamedans the exclusivity of having women that aren't whores.

>>34707766
Don't be a manwhore then.

>>34707576
not that anon but what's so hard to understand? the starting point of the relationship is her being a virgin, but as he got to know them, he realized they are not compatible because of her personality/neuroticism. He didn't say the only criteria is them being virgins

You're going to die alone or become a pedophile if you're not already one.
Kys.

>>34706990
Yes.

>>34706990
Hymens aren't supposed to tear during sex. They can easily be left intact after sex, and can even be torn by non-sexual things like tampons or medical exams. If you relied entirely on the hymen for marriage then you could pass up a hundred virgins and marry a whore.
Do you even know what a hymen is?

>>34707836
An autistic redditor, what a curious creature.

>>34706990
No, because you shouldn’t get married under any circumstances.

>>34707046
> Had virgin gfs in high school/college, even took some virginities
You should KYS immediately.

>>34707794
Rule 1: Don't take BV's advice.
For the reasons why, lurk in /atoga/ for a week.

>>34707334
A dumb loyal girl is winning the jackpot. The dumber the better.

The hymen is a bad measure of virginity. She could have given 1000 blowjobs and still have a hymen.
Women unfortunately throw down when you ask about their body count. It has been trained into them. So ascertaining their virginity is next to impossible.
But seeking virginity is one way of improving your chance of a successful marriage.
If you're not a race loyalist, you're better off getting a wife from abroad. Don't make her too dark or your kids will look like mutts.

>>34706990
>Is "no hymen no diamond no exceptions" good advice?
Realistically, no
Idealistically, yes

Women compete with each other to appear as the object of male desire. Male desire selects for virginity for a few reasons:
1) It guarantees the man's offspring will be his, if he is the first to break hymen and impregnate, and she gets pregnant, those are his kids with almost bear certainty
2) By making the standard 0 (virginity), it forces the social hive of the women to compete to be the lowest body count. The lower the body count the higher the value of the woman. The higher value women will have access to the best men and most abundantly resources typically (we see this with virgin women crazy enough to auction their virginity and some men pay 5 figures, typically rich autists).
3) By creating the competition among the women, it ensured communicable diseases are minimised, bastards are minimised, and social cohesion is maximized within tribal settings. Women who don't care to keep the number low are typically women who open legs for a different tribe. (Opening the gates for indirect generational invasion for that tribe).

The virginity standard on women is historically well earned and necessary. Unfortunately it is no longer realistic and is now idealistic, because we do not live in smaller society everything is globalised now. But the primal standards remain, and women are desperate to extinguish that.

However they don't want to extinguish their own standards on the men. Sometimes you will hear women say "If the man isn't also virgin he has no right to demand it from women". This is a social deflection. Because women prefer men with a reasonable body count, even if that woman is a virgin. This is because such a man is proven to be secure (the women didn't die when fucking him). And the reason they don't collectively abandon this standard of their own is because they also don't want to give up their primal security parameters.

>>34706990
>diamond
What kind of conformist consumerist cattle do you need to be to actually spend shitload of money on a diamond. Why not put that money into something that actually builds better future.

>>34708020
>Cont
The blame falls on both man & woman unironically too.

Women fucked this arrangement up due to allowing their insecurities to become so high (peaking due to social media compare/despair loops + female on female social aggression) that they have given up largely on trying to remain virgins.

Weak men have also ruined it collectively, the simps/orbiters/asocials who couldn't find social success but maximized earning money. They promised themselves "disregard bitches, acquire money" but when they get the money they spend it on.. you guessed it, women. If they're not buying virgins on auction to be the first man to pop their cherry, they will purchase mail order brides. If they're not going to Taiwan or Vietnam to indirectly use money to get the woman, he spends it on whores, OF, porn. He is the one contributing to the "hoeflation", which makes women's standards higher to the point of lunacy, but also shoots himself in the foot, because he will never wed the virgins who can it be bought, creating a cycle of only ever finding gold diggers.

And that's where we are at. Insecurity chicks with daddy issues and asocials who want to literally whale at life have ruined the standards.

>>34706990
>Is "no hymen no diamond no exceptions" good advice?
No. /thread

>>34708020
> virgin women crazy enough to auction their virginity and some men pay 5 figures, typically rich autists
A virginity auction. Holy shit, this is genius. Thank you for this idea. This might just be the fastest, easiest, most efficient way to find a virgin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginity_auction

>>34708094
>A virginity auction. Holy shit, this is genius. Thank you for this idea. This might just be the fastest, easiest, most efficient way to find a virgin.

Yes you will find but you won't keep, you get scammed. The woman doesn't want companionship, just money. Once she takes your money she is gone, good luck

>>34708123
The agreement will specify that the money will be payed in monthly installments.

>>34708125
Which will equate to a monthly sum that she could obtain herself with a job or OF. Not going to work, she has the leverage and the financial agreement is you pay full price, you get to take her hymen, she bounces.

>>34708126
Not all women want a job or OnlyFans. According to surveys, 20% of young women want a traditional relationship, one in which the women does not work (neither in the labor force nor in the sex industry) and in which she is responsible for house and family.
> the financial agreement is you pay full price, you get to take her hymen, she bounces.
Yes, this is a typical virginity auction. However, my hypothetical virginity auction would be customized in a particular way. And would also include a huge questionnaire and personal investigation.

>>34708129
I do wonder if those 20% of women are actually virtuous, or are born-again virgins seeking an escape from the consequences of their debauchery.

>>34708129
And the women looking to auction their virginity will avoid your auction house because it has extensive questionnaires and personal investigations. They will just go to the one that pays quick.

>>34708177
They're 20%, so 1 in 5. The current number of dysfunctional households that contain forms of abuse is 1 in 5.

>>34708192
> They will just go to the one that pays quick.
Good. The actual gold diggers can look elsewhere and only tradwives will still be interested.
> The current number of dysfunctional households that contain forms of abuse is 1 in 5.
Non-sequitur. Same surveys show, traditionally-minded women are happier on average than career-oriented women.

>>34708192
>extensive questionnaires and personal investigations.
LMAO, have you looked into the bishop’s worthiness interview to achieve a temple recommend status in the LDS church (Mormons)?

>>34708199
No traditional minded woman is going to auction her virgin vagina to a stranger. Do you not understand this? The nature of woman who you seek who would give her virginity + loyalty to you is the type of woman who turns down money, she cannot be bought. "Tradwives" are called "Tradwives" because they are wives, in other words they're already married.

>>34708200
>LDS Church
An American Cult doesn't reflect the rest of the world. You may a well cite scientology to me and call it an argument.

>>34708202
No traditional minded woman is going to auction her virgin vagina to a stranger. Do you not understand this?
False, wrong, incorrect. Arranged marriages and compensated marriages (dowry or bride price) are the most ancient and traditional forms of marriage. (Source: Menalaos Apostolou.). Modern dating has nothing to do with tradition, and statistically arranged marriages have a higher success rate than modern dating.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1ReFNdkQ5Y8

>>34708207
So go move to Pakistan or India if you want arranged marriages. Become a Muslim.

>>34708204
I was just using it as an example that traditional women are willing to undergo a personal questionnaire to be able to participate in temple marriage.

>>34708211
Fair. Mormons are far from traditional though. They have the social optics of it, but the inside of it is a modern cult top to bottom. If you question or leave the faith the community takes your wife and daughter and pimps them out to the next man.

>>34706990
Good advice? In your case, yes, as we would like to keep your stupid genes out of the gene pool

>>34706990
Only if you're a virgin yourself. People should date other people with similar sexual histories, as a general rule. Virgins with virgins, n1s with n1s, whores with manwhores, etc.

>>34707496
>>34707046
>>34707019
I don't think you realize that you are the problem and because of that you will be single until you do.

>>34708896
What's the problem? I don't have any issue finding a gf, but I haven't been able to stomach any girl long term. Never had anyone break up with me.

>>34706990
If you'r ethe kind of utter retard who sinks hi net value into compressed carbon taht turns worthless the second Shekelberg hands it over to you, you're alost case anyways.

If you really feel a need to do the whole simp humiliation ritual, at least buy a ring with a genuine precious stone in it. Looks cooler and can be resold for added value in a pinch.

>>34706990
In the year of our lord 2026 you will be hard pressed to find a female virgin older than 16. It would be easier to go hunting for leprechauns or gnomes.

>>34706990
>Is "no hymen no diamond no exceptions" good advice?
I think it makes sense if you're also a virgin, especially a religious one. And by that I mean virginity in general, the hymen itself is kind of meaningless when the poophole loophole exists.
>>34707562
You should probably explain it to him then.

>>34706990
>Is "no hymen no diamond no exceptions" good advice?
No, if you're chad ie high value men you can get all the women you want, virgins included. If you're chud, ie value man meaning the most obsessed with virginity, you'd be lucky to find an ugly run through whore.

>>34707213
No kids is like the one boundary I have when it comes to dating. I will never ever be comfortable raising or even having to build a relationship with some other dudes kid.

>>34706990
Good luck finding that. I used to think that’s what I wanted but it’s not possible and gets harder the older you get. Im only the second person the girl I’m with now has ever had sex with and from the way she describes it I’m the first person she’s ever really made love with(also only dude she’s ever done raw sex with). That’s a good enough compromise for me.

>>34708896
I have a gf bro. But on some level you are right. I am part of the problem. But on another level you are the ultimate retard for thinking that some simple shaming can solve the massive and impossible collective action problem that would cause all men to raise their standards in unison.

I go to a libtard college (basically a day care for white chicks with dyed hair). Is it a good idea to attend some english 1st yr classes in hopes of getting pussy? Anyone tried this? If so whats the method. I want some fresh out of high school pussy...

>>34709243
>fresh out of high school pussy
Ur a pedo

>>34709278
If they're legal age it's perfectly fair.

>>34707143
>after that it'll be like a 20 year old again
kek no you won't, you will still be in your 30s and single with a hilariously high opinion of yourself. Maybe you'll get lucky and some girl with a bodycount of only 1-3 will take pity on you and 'mold' *you* into something but otherwise you're going to do one of two things
1. Chase skirt at least 10 years younger than you with increasingly diminishing returns, eventually becoming known as a sad old creep
2. Settle.
Basically, you're an embryonic Lucas Werner.

>>34706990
God I want to fill her with seed.

>>34707196
malding

>>34708082
shut the fuck up, late bloomer

>>34707998

Not to mention most women masturbate with dildos and can lose their hymen from gooning

>>34707998
the "saying" is not a technical test, it's an ideology