>>34710500
35 and 40 min average

you wont have a real idea until you have it for the first time which is really the only way it can be
but most importantly let yourself feel what you're feeling in the moment and enjoy being raw and vulnerable instead of bottling it in

>>34710500
Get yourself real interested eating pussy and she won’t care how long it takes you to finish yourself. Tell her you want to give her a pearl necklace or other kind of bukkake and you get an excuse to just beat yourself off at the end.

>>34710500
Bruh I have literally came in less than 3 seconds after going inside vaginas feel awesome who are the people telling you they feel worse than your hand lol I think tightness is an important factor though like being drunk I have been unable to cum when going inside chubbier ladies.

>>34710500
>how fast is it over?
That depends ENTIRELY on where you begin the timer. If you count only time inside, "normal" can be a minute. But if you correctly think of "having sex" as including all the warming up and foreplay amd having fun along the way, the whole event can be measured in chunks of an hour.

>>34710812
That's BS

Do plenty of foreplay and aim for 15ish minutes of actual penis in vagina.

If you haven't had sex before, you're probably going to nut quite quickly, don't worry about it and just get your practice in.

>>34711575
Why is it that women need such significant amounts of foreplay? Are we so anatomically different that foreplay is needed for women? Or realistically is it for both sexes? I would like to learn how to do foreplay obviously but I have never told myself "I need some foreplay". Am I missing something?

>>34712280
not all women do but on average it takes longer for women to get physiologically turned on (getting wet engorged lips etc)

learn what her body likes and make her surrender to your touch
she'll be ready to go if you take charge in a compatible way for her

File: 809170509a15a7aa822e63810(...).jpg (276 KB, 1140x798)

276 KB JPG

>>34710500
>I have read some things like vaginas feeling marginally less good than your hand. In my head,

Nope. A pussy is literally the thing your cock was designed to penetrate. It is the ultimate stimulation. Man has tried hard to simulate that, and even with the best materials science, a woman's vagina is still the top. So unless we encounter the Asari from Mass Effect and they use some sort of brain tricks, that's it. Being with a woman also has a hormonal/scent/love thing that adds to it that no toy replicates, or ever will.

>So what can I do to make sure my penis actually works correctly?

Not nut for a few days. That was what my crazy grandpa told me when I was at his property and we were talking about my girlfriend. LIke, three days of no jerking it before.

>How long should sex take?

An hour, usually. Take note that most of that is going to be foreplay, it's not porn where the guy wanks himself for fifteen seconds and jackhammers the girl. Good sex has good communication, and even then, there's two people building sexual tension and pleasure for one another, which is probably 45-50 minutes.

https://www.healthline.com/health/healthy-sex/how-long-should-sex-last

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(15)32017-8/fulltext

It says 7-10 minutes, which makes sense to me. A lot of it before that was as follows: Heavy petting/groping/"Grab-ass" --> Fingering and Blowjobs, eating out > Actual sex with penis in vagina

>>34712280
> Are we so anatomically different that foreplay is needed for women?
Yes.
>Or realistically is it for both sexes?
Also yes.

You should ideally enjoy the foreplay too but it really is typically more difficult for an average woman to reach climax than an average man, I think.

But personally I also don’t think it’s even that important for both partners to fully cum as long as they both had some fun.

>>34710500
I concentrated on lasting longer and then got a gf who wanted me to get off quicker so you can't win.

>>34712280
>Are we so anatomically different that foreplay is needed for women?
Yes. It takes women much longer to become physically aroused. In order for PIV sex to be enjoyable to a woman, the internal parts of the clitoris have to be (for want of a better term) fully erect, otherwise the penis doesn't rub against them through the vaginal wall in a way that feels good. If you go in before she's ready, she won't feel any remotely pleasurable sensation as a result.

Also note that "foreplay" is a concept invented by men. They see penetration as being "sex" and everything that happens before that as simply preparation for penetration. To a woman, it's *all* sex; and penetration is simply a pleasant way to *finish* sex. To a woman, sex is a seven course banquet, and penetration is just the dessert course, not the entire meal. So if you want to be good at sex, forget about "foreplay"; it's all sex.

>>34710500
Learn to tickle her bean until she climaxes. Then it doesn't matter how good or not your penetration performance is since you already got her off.
Foreplay is more important.

>>34710500

Never has sex either but I feel like penetration is not the only thing there is to sex. And also, if you’re with someone you trust, finishing fast is not an issue. You could also keep going after that.
A lot of women don’t get to finish while having sex because their partner only think about their own needs. The important thing is just to enjoy the moment with your partner when you’re ready and every little accident will because a sweet memorable moment.

>>34710500
Bad performance anxiety will fuck you up and make the woman resent you. It's not as bad as ED but premature ejaculation fucks up a relationship. You can foreplay to your hearts content, but ultimately sex is about fucking and she'll be pissed if you cannot provide.
Zoomer girls are especially impatient and pornbrained.
I speak from experienced, having bad PE stemming from performance anxiety and bad masturbation habits. I would trade all sensation in my cock for the ability to fuck endlessly, as long as I could still get hard obviously.
It can be trained away though. It's in how your brain sees sex. I can give a bigger write up later.

>>34712323
>It says 7-10 minutes, which makes sense to me.
Not OP but I barely last 7 seconds inside her!

>>34714055
it's totally normal to cum quickly in that situation, lol. once a lady truly likes you in that very special way, the whole biological instinct of her pussy will be to entice you so that you will dump every drop of your life-giving cum into her and the two of you can ideally have a very very cute baby together.
rawdog contact with her pussy will just immediately trigger a special feeling inside your penis that will feel both very sensual and very intimate/tender, and this just pushes you ever closer towards the point of non-return. fhen as she gets even more excited there are gushes of hot slicky lubrication and "milking" contractions that feel 100x more fantastic than the best and most enthusiastic-tongue-kiss-cum-blowjob from that part of her body and are what fully seals the deal. it's not you, it's just human sexual nature doing its job.

>>34714011
>It's in how your brain sees sex
I see sex as a scary thing.

>>34714892
pussy is a little bit scary in that way, lol. it's a bit like a special mouth of hers that almost feels to her like it awakes and "blooms" like a flower as she gets turned on for you, and then it has the special biological role of fully tasting and assessing your physical love for her. but really, just do the best job you can to make her feel genuinely happy and satisfied

>>34710500
Always look out for number one. Cum fast and enjoy yourself. No macho man had ever cared about the mental gymnastics that is the "Female Orgasm."

>>34714941
but what's the fun in that? you're just doing exactly what her body wants and acting as her walking sperm donor. whether you actually finish in her or not, the whole point of the act for her biologically is to bring you over that edge.
nah, the way to really enjoy yourself is to take your time and *then* cum at your leisure

>>34714955

Well, you're clearly a woman

>>34714955
>What's the fun in that?

Trust me, I've had fun

>>34714875
based.

>>34714892
If the conscious part of your brain sees sex as a scary thing, then your subconsciousness sees it as an even scarier thing. Why you see it as a scary thing depends. Usually its performance anxiety or past bad experiences, or both (my case). The fear effectively triggers fight-or-flight, like how you walk on stage, forget your lines and want to run from the situation. With sex, the quickest way for it to end is orgasming, as that floods your brain with happy chemicals and fulfills your biological purpose.
The same performance anxiety can give you acute ED (as in despite being perfectly healthy with a functional cock, it just doesn't get up), or it can make you unable to cum at all (though that's rarer from what I can tell, just a gut feeling though).
The thing about all these conditions is that when they happen, you feel emasculated, you get desperate for it to work, removing you from the experience of sex and drawing more attention to your poor performance. Then next time, you are even more worried you cannot perform, causing your performance to degrade further. Effectively, a vicious cycle.
Then there's porn, which teaches your body that pleasure comes quick (from 0 to a woman getting cock in all three holes in 2 minutes). As a normal person, you probably cannot handle sitting at the point of orgasm while sliding in and out of a pussy for 20 minutes straight. Try it, put on hardcore porn, grab a fleshlight and fuck it at full force, You'll most likely bust in seconds.
The advice you usually get is "you have to relax, it's no big deal". It's the sexual equivalent of "just be confident!", because while it is mostly correct, it's just a platitude that doesn't give you a road in that direction. The all-natural solution is training yourself in a safe environment. Doing it with the kindest girl on Earth won't work because it will be too much, your subconscious brain is still frightened, and she will expect you to orgasm, but not instantly.

>>34715121
What can be done? You have to teach your brain to see sexual pleasure as something to be enjoyed. A means in and of itself, not a means to an end. There are many ways to achieve this, but the short story is a guide that has the very self-aggrandizing title of "MaleDefinitiveGuide". You can find it on reddit, as a PDF with a subreddit attached. Bewar that the subreddit has sort of a cult-like mindset. The short story is: Edging, but you gradually increase stimulation while remaining below the point of orgasming, where your body enjoys the sensation of prolonged sexual stimuli without feeling the urge to blow your load. Initially it will feel like a chore. Over time, you'll start to enjoy it, you'll loosen up. And that's what you want.
Note that it takes months of training. It's like getting fit. But an unfortunate fact of life is that sexual performance and pleasure is nearly entirely up to men and our ability to perform. Nobody care about a pillow princess, the female orgasm doesn't stop sex. But if a man orgasms, we go floppy and get hit with refractory periods. Penetrative intercourse ends for a while.

File: wisdom.jpg (28 KB, 400x300)

28 KB JPG

>>34712702
Remarkably wise and mature for 4chan

>>34715129
>You have to teach your brain to see sexual pleasure as something to be enjoyed.
Well, I've never had sex but I reckon it would just be the same as masturbation for me - quick PE. I treat it as a physiological function and not a something to be enjoyed.

>>34715183
Then you may have a problem.

>>34712702
>To a woman, sex is a seven course banquet, and penetration is just the dessert course
While I agree with your post in general PIV is PIV and to women it isn't just a "dessert course"

>>34715261
Yeah, it does seem like it. Im not normal after all.

>>34710500
Your whole attitude towards sex is just so fundamentally wrong that it's hard to know where to start. Sex isn't a competition; you aren't graded on your performance at the end. And it isn't some kind of video game where you have to master the correct sequence of moves to trigger a "victory". Sex, fundamentally, is about two people who are fond of each other expressing and intensifying their feelings. If you don't get your head round the fact that it is an emotional experience first and a physical one second, you'll never even get started on having good sex.

It is certainly possible for someone to be objectively bad at sex, but that's not the result of "performance", it's because they're selfish, imaginative, uncaring, and shitty at communicating.

For women particularly, sex is about 80% mental and 20% physical. Good sex involves things like making her feel safe, making her feel beautiful, making her feel attractive (not at all the same thing as making her feel that you are attracted to her), and making her feel cherished. You need to understand that sex can start several hours before you're in bed together. You need to kiss her in a way that makes her feel like she's in another world. In bed, you need to learn how to tease and build anticipation. You need to encourage her (and yourself!) to be properly in the moment, and to savour and relish every sensation. You need to be someone who thinks that kissing a woman's neck for fifteen minutes straight is a good use of his time. All these things are more important than how long you "last".

t. man whose gf is extremely happy

>>34715285
You underestimate how much women enjoy desserts.

>>34715500
>And does she...make you happy if you know what I mean?
Extremely. And often.

>>34711434
Elaborate on this, what methods, activities, etc goes before penetrating and how much time should you take or how to notice when to change? I'm not looking for a schedule, rather for signals on the female

It will be over very quickly, you will be humiliated, and she will leave. Trauma will haunt you for the rest of your life.

>>34715845
You are a clueless virgin that experienced women will cherish deflowing. You aren't supposed to know what to do.

The first time I put on a condom it made me cum

>>34715845
Flirting is fun. Kissing is fun. Hugging is fun. Caressing is fun. Undressing is fun. Breasts are a source of fun. Touching private parts is fun. Skin-to-skin contact is fun. Getting her wet or him hard is fun. Oral sex is fun. Teasing is fun.Seeing her/him wanting more is fun.

The point is that you do some or all of these things, NOT as "foreplay" leading to The Real Thing, but because they ARE the real thing, with the p-in-v bit just one more part.

>>34710500
Don't have sex then

>>34716999
>experienced women will cherish deflowing.
He has better chance at winning lotto

>>34712323
>Man has tried hard to simulate that, and even with the best materials science, a woman's vagina is still the top.
And this is why, my fellow niggas, delusional men who cut their dicks off, will never be fucking women.
You cannot replace a real fucking vagina. There is no substitute for a real woman. End of story.

>>34710500
you are adorable and remind me of my bf when we first got together. he was 31, it took us like 4 times to even figure out how to get him inside me, before then we were too excited to take the time to figure this out and wed just ended up humping each other wildly and doing hand stuff to finish. if you are having sex with a woman who cares for you she will find your anxieties cute and enjoy comforting you and kissing your forehead and telling you youre doing a good job, even if you accidentally cum as soon as she pulls your pants down.

in terms of all the questions youre asking, all of this will vary massively based on you and your partner and the kinds of sex you are having. ive had sex that lasted less than 5 minutes, ive had sex that lasted 3 hours. everything will be worse and more annoying if you have to wear a condom. the first time you have sex will almost surely be very bad and you and your partner will laugh about it later. almost surely, when the moment actually comes you wont be thinking about any of this stuff and things will happen naturally, once again assuming you have a good relationship with the person you are having sex with and you trust her and arent too afraid of her making fun of you. if you fuck a hooker or a whore from a dating app things will not be as natural and she will likely be less tolerant of inexperience, as she does not care about you and sees this not as the start of a sex life of learning together but you being mildly more effort than the last cock inside her, but you shouldnt care about one of these peoples opinions

i had these exact same thoughts when i was still a virgin but i promise you it will all seem incredibly silly to you once you have actually fucked and its been demystified to you. its a bit like saying "im terrified to go play tag with my friends, how will i know if im doing a good job, i have no idea what im doing"

>>34717102
lmao omg seriously? ahahahahaha xD

>>34712323
>Nope. A pussy is literally the thing your cock was designed to penetrate. It is the ultimate stimulation.
not only that, but really the whole _point_ of a super aroused pussy biologically is to literally engulf and suckle the desired partner's cock with her contractions and gushing lubrication combined in order to get all that cum out of him and ideally inside her. feels super intimate, tender and soft when it happens (NOT "tight" ffs!), but somehow _also_ subtly brutal and ruthless, like the enthusiastic working of an ancient biological process from that secret mouth-like "blooming flower" of hers where the intimacy and loving softness is only a happy side effect.
so on the question of "how long does the actual "PIV" part take, well it depends. if you've been flirting with her and working her up with skillful romance for _hours_, and then gone even further with good pre-sexual foreplay, she will be at sexual peak and it can legitimately be over in a few minutes or maybe even seconds. but that's not a performance issue from you, maybe it's just the way it's supposed to go to begin with.

>>34712323
>>34722261
Those are great points actually. Pussy is fantastic, even when it likes you so much it literally wants to spermjack you!

File: IMG_2013.png (213 KB, 1818x1012)

213 KB PNG

>>34710500
Circumcision causes premature ejaculation

>>34724657
I'm circumcised. I don't have premature ejaculation.

>>34710500
depends. I last a LOT longer if I do exercise and wear condoms (both at the same time).

just enjoy it bro. forget your worries and enjoy it. maybe drink some alcohol or whatever beforehand, just a bit.

>>34710500
>When it comes to sex, how fast is it over?
Anywhere from 5 minutes to 3 hours (with pauses).

>>34724875
>(with pauses)
I never pause. 3 hours is nothing.

I can't manage 10 seconds of penetration without cumming.
How can I stop this and last longer?

>>34725218
Lots of factors that may cause it. >>34715121
>>34715129

>>34725218
The magic of the kegel. The more pleasure you feel, the harder you squeeze.
Strength, precision, balance. Very important. It's all physical. Never ever limit the mental.
Feel everything. Push yourself to the extreme. Do not hold back.

>>34725218
>How can I stop this and last longer?
SSRIs. (Genuinely).

>>34725309
Stay the fuck away from that shit. It will completely destroy your ability to have an orgasm.
They gave me that shit back in high school for depression. I couldn't orgasm for shit.
I couldn't feel anything. It was like my dick was just a lifeless piece of meat.
Told them to go fuck themselves and I threw that shit in the trash.
Took a few weeks to be able to orgasm again.
Stay the fuck away from that shit. It ain't no joke.
I'm warning you. Don't take that shit.

>>34725371
Plenty of people take SSRIs to treat premature ejaculation, anon. Calm the fuck down.

>>34725493
Don't listen to this dumbass fucking retard.
It's called Post-SSRI Sexual Dysfunction (PSSD).
SSRIs can even reduce or destroy your libido.
It even affects women as well who take it.
They have difficulties achieving orgasm.
Difficulties becoming aroused or excited.
The side effects can be permanent.
Don't be fucking stupid. Don't take this shit.

>>34712702
>Yes. It takes women much longer to become physically aroused
Doesn't this change based on their cycle?

If my bf can't cum does it mean he is not attracted to me or I am doing something wrong? Men here seem to have the opposite problem.

>>34710500
U will probably last a long time cause when u goon alot u last forever so ur good Brody. I would shoot one rope before she comes over and ur good

>>34726557
No, that's entirely his problem and he needs to see a doctor cause that's not normal. He could have a nutritional deficiency or a neurological problem.

>>34726529
>Doesn't this change based on their cycle?
Not enough to mean that you can get away with just plunging straight in without any foreplay.

>>34710812
look at this marathon runner over here

>>34726557
>If my bf can't cum does it mean he is not attracted to me
If he can come easily with other people and just not with you, possibly. Otherwise, probably not. (It's probably just because he uses porn).

>>34710500
It really depend if you are both really excited it can be over very soon.

>>34710500
Average is about 15 minutes, with 30 being the point where people noticeably feel
>this is running long
and under about 8 minutes being
>that was kinda short

Don't worry about optimizing for her. If you nut in under that time, just start eating her out or fingering her, and if you take longer than 40 minutes (you probably won't, you probably have pretty standard issue hardware) just stop, thank her, say you enjoyed yourself, and that we'll pick back up some other time.

>>34725282
Kegels seem to push my cum out more and i feel the contracts more which makes it worse.

>>34728346
You're too weak and you're too slow. You have to be stronger and faster than your orgasm.
When it moves, you move. When you move, it moves. You gotta keep up. Don't fall behind.
It's a sinking ship. You have to pump the water out as fast as it's coming in. Match its speed.
You have to anticipate what it's going to do before it does it. Hit it before it hits you.
Strength, balance, precision. The only way you learn is to keep pushing your boundaries.
Stop running away from the orgasm. Run towards it. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be a coward.

>>34726557
Would you prefer if he came in 30 seconds?

>>34729243
She'll say "yes of course it doesn't matter!"
And then 10 months into the relationship she will regret her decision. Then she will dry up, blame him, emasculate him, and eventually dip.
Talking from experience.

>>34729891
>Talking from experience
Oh shit...

>>34729914
It do be like that. I don't want to shift blame away from myself, but she didn't exactly help me improve at all. I've avoided women for almost a year now, my ego cannot handle another disappointed woman.

>>34713525
>A lot of women don’t get to finish while having sex because their partner only think about their own needs.
That’s retarded, how can this be true and yet I’m still single

as a girl I don’t care if my partner finishes quickly, I personally rather want him to finish in seconds than to not at all because I would feel unattractive or insecure about it while if he finishes quickly I just think that i’m breathe taking lol

>>34730456
I always found that to be ridiculous, the way women view men's ability to ejaculate.
If the guy didn't find you attractive, he wouldn't be having sex with you in the first place.

>>34730465
thing is, when a woman likes you in that special way - she starts to crave the event of your ejaculation as a sheer matter of biology. it feels to her as "the thing that was _supposed_ to happen" to make her pussy feel happy and satisfied, the cherry on top for the whole sex encounter
this is true even when you actually nut safely into a condom or the like (as you should!) because the underlying nature of the event is unaffected: it feels like the best triumph and elation to her because you were _brought_ to that very edge by what her body did and the way it pleasured and enticed you. and she intuitively knows this

>>34730456
See >>34729891. You pose as appreciative of it because you've never been on the receiving end of it

>>34711551
It's actually quite plausible for a 4chan denizen.
Most people here killed their dick through 'death grip'.
In my case, after 25 years of gooning, it took me a dozen intercourse with my 1st girlfriend before I could finish at all.

>>34730465
>If the guy didn't find you attractive, he wouldn't be having sex with you in the first place.
Rubbish. Most men view absolutely any sex as being preferable to no sex.

>>34731613
Those men are degenerates. Real men have standards and don't fuck anything with a pulse.

>>34710812
I jerked off and desensitized my penis so much, that even uncut, it took me about 45 minutes as well. It goes faster if the girl tops you, because it puts more pressure on your penis.

>>34731613
>thinks all men are pigs
oh look a wild feminist appears

>>34731632
> even uncut, it took me about 45 minutes as well. It goes faster if the girl tops you, because it puts more pressure on your penis.
you're most likely talking about having sex with a condom as most people do nowadays. bareback sex with a naturally aroused woman is VASTLY different:
>stories from random gigachad's sex life
>think he's living his sex life on easy mode?
>ha. you couldn't be more wrong

>be gigachad
>gets to hit it raw after whatever time of blueballing
>don't do this at home you absolute fucking retard

>that initial breach
>slow glide into wet furnace
>every nerve ending screaming HOLY FUCK
>it's not just warm, it's *alive*
>subtle ripples along the shaft like a thousand tiny tongues tasting you
>evolutionary firmware activating.exe

>the build
>each thrust met with this... suction? grip?
>not just friction, it's *intentional*
>like her body is running calculations in real-time
>mapping every contour, adjusting pressure
>that spot under the head getting these... fluttering kisses
>light at first, just teasing
>breathing gets ragged, she's close
>you can FEEL it in the texture change
>everything gets impossibly slicker, hotter
>like someone poured molten silk directly onto your dick

>then it happens
>her back arches,
>that moment of silence before the storm
>then *gush*
>not just wet, it's a fucking *cascade*
>hot, slick, impossibly copious
>like her body just opened a valve
>slathers every inch of you in liquid invitation
>evolutionary cheat code unlocked

>then the kisses start
>not metaphorical, *literal* kisses
>rhythmic, pulsing, desperate kisses from the horniest succubus
>along the entire length
>that ring of muscle turning into a thousand tiny mouths
>each one suckling, pulling, *worshipping*
>like her vagina just gained sentience
>and its sole purpose in life is to milk and spermjack her chosen mate for all he can give

>>34731642
>the pattern intensifies
>not random clenching, it's highly purposeful
>wave after wave of these muscular kisses
>starting at the base, rolling upward
>like she's deep-throating you from the inside
>each pulse grips tighter, pulls deeper
>that slick heat now *pulsating*
>you can feel your own dick's spasms synchronize
>throbs in your dick matching hers
>evolutionary feedback loop engaged
>literally designed to break your will

>she's watching your face
>fucking glowing with triumph
>she KNOWS what she's doing
>feels it, it's her "magic trick"
>thinks "feel that?" while it happens
>like her pussy is winking at you
>each kiss saying "give it to me"
>"fill me"
>"you literally can't resist this"

>and you can't
>that point of no return isn't a choice
>it's a biological hijacking
>your entire nervous system screaming
>EJACULATE NOW OR DIE
>those final kisses become urgent
>frantic little sucks along the shaft
>especially right under the head
>where it matters most
>like a thousand tiny mouths begging

>then you feel it
>that familiar tightening
>but amplified by her rhythm
>she's timing it
>her orgasmic pulses pulling the cum out of you
>literally milking your prostate from the outside
>you're just a passenger now
>shooting ropes into that inferno of kisses
>each spurt met with a fresh clench
>like she's tasting each one
>savoring it
>claiming it

>>34731644
>the aftermath
>she collapses, giggling, fucking drunk on power
>"haha" she thinks "it's magic"
>you're just lying there
>dick still twitching in her aftermath
>feeling those occasional aftershock kisses
>little grateful pecks now
>like her pussy is saying thank you

>and then reality hits
>you just nutted raw in a biological trap
>evolution's most sophisticated semen extraction device
>designed over millions of years
>to make absolutely fucking sure you breed

>NEVER let bare dick touch vagina
>unless you want to be posting "be me, new dad" threads in 9 months
>this wasn't sex, it was a fucking heist
>and your DNA was the loot

>she's already planning round two
>calls it her "superpower"
>you're just trying to remember if you have Plan B money
>the kisses finally subside
>but the memory of them?
>branded into your neurons forever
>evolution's cruelest joke
>feels better than anything should
>costs more than you can imagine

>>34731646
I'll take "shit I'll never experience" for $300.

>>34731630
Real men are degenerates. Only fictional men aren't.

>>34732271
Not sure if you were raped as a child by your dad, but you seem to have a very unhealthy view of men.
I hope you get the therapy you so desperately need and get over whatever hatred you have for men.

>>34731668
yup, and that's why that story says "don't do this at home" loud and clear. you just found out for yourself what's the healthiest possible attitude to have on this stuff. one should NEVER seek out or desire this kind of experience, no matter how ecstatic in the moment, unless and until one is fully able to face its ensuing, potentially life-changing consequences.

>>34735456
No I meant more that no woman will ever want me as a father to their kids.

>>34735617
>No I meant more that no woman will ever want me as a father to their kids.
that happens gradually once you've gotten a steady gf and she has gotten to know you as a reliable guy. no serious chick goes out literally looking for a good "father to their kids", they're just out to have some wholesome fun. so give them _both_ the fun part and the comfy stability part, and they'll be rushing to lock you down, cuz that's hella rare.

>>34735646
No woman wants bad genes in their kids, anon.

>>34710500
after 12 years of pornography addiction I a physically unable to cum from sex. Women love me for my endurance but it is hell.

>>34716999
women do not "cherish" doing such things. they want experienced men, and anon is better off putting on the act of one.

>>34736274
Could be worse. Porn could've given you ED.

>>34732624
Kek. No, I'm just a realist. Ever notice how it's always the politicians who go on about "morality" and "family values" who end up in corruption and sex scandals? Men in general are exactly the same: the more fuss they make about how not degenerate they are, the higher the probability that they are typing that while wearing women's underwear.

>>34737035
I'm actually currently typing this wearing women's lingerie. But I'm in no means proclaiming that I'm not a degenerate. I very much am.

File: ).jpg (47 KB, 680x589)

47 KB JPG

>>34710500
8-12 minutes is the correct answer objectively, unless you gotta bust early and can't reload

>>34714875
Nigga that's regular

>>34736274
That's actually a blessing. It's better than having a limp dick and cumming in 5 secs.

>>34738155
ED is easy to fix. Premature is not.
But the ranking from best to worst dick ailment:
ED <<<< Premature ejaculation < normal functionality <<<<< inability to cum.

>>34737485
>But I'm in no means proclaiming that I'm not a degenerate. I very much am.
Good for you, anon! Embrace it. It's so much better than pretending, like these guys:
>>34732624
>>34731634
>>34731630

>>34738256
You're a retard.

>>34710500
If you're not having kids who cares

>>34737539
haha what does that mean? i'm not familiar with that part of 4chan lingo

>>34738240
why the fuck do you think innability to cum is good??? are you big dumb???
that shit suck bad.

>>34710500
10-15 minutes is average time

>>34740437
Women love it.

>>34710500
>How fast is it over?
Too

>>34740437
>>34741285
I'm the best of both worlds. Not only do I have the ability to cum whenever I want, I also have the ability to pound that bitch as hard as I want for as long as I want without cumming.
Oh, man, feels so fucking good when you finally learn how to do that. You dudes from opposite ends of the spectrum have no idea the amount of pleasure you're missing out on.

have any of you ever gone floppy at the time when the woman is about to come and her pussy tightens around your dick forcing it out? Because I have been fucking for ten minutes and many times I go softer towards the end, then the woman nearing orgasm just pushes the cock out. And then they are frustrated.

>>34722261
>somehow _also_ subtly brutal and ruthless,

It pushes my cock out

>>34741635
Thanks for the helpful insights, anon.

>>34729929
Been there. I just keep going.

>>34742596
Keep edging until I'm better?

>>34741635
Nice larp.

>>34744246
No, I meant, keep going after women. Flirting, making out, getting them to bed. What else is there? I think the more you convince yourself you have a problem, the more you self-impose.

>>34744305
True, it's a very meta-problem. The more you fret, the worse it get. It's like trying to force an erection.
But like I said, it has become a pretty deep insecurity and it's hard to shake. Starting out a relationship with bad sex from day 1? I don't want that for her nor for myself.

>>34744248
not a larp

>>34744309
Of course not, I understand what you mean, you are a good human. But you know what? I have heard people say (and saw it for myself) that sex gets better as the relationship progresses. It is 100% a mental thing, unless you have some medical issue that needs attention. I am getting the chastising right now, I am this poster>>34741714

>>34744354
The problem is that me and my last GF were LDR for a bit, and I likely developed PE from masturbation during that time. I was by no means a stallion prior to that, but I could at least keep missionary going at a passionate pace for 5-10 minutes.
After getting PE, the disappointment on her face every time made it worse, as I fretted about not cumming fast. Sex anxiety, 100% mental. It got worse as the relationship progressed, not due to the relationship itself souring but because sex was a chore for her and honestly a little unenjoyable for me too. Maybe I damaged my dick a little during the LDR stint, but definitely mostly mental.
I am now clawing my way out of it, but man, it's a struggle and has been for 4 months. I've considered seeing a sex therapist, but I don't know if they'll help
me fix it au naturale or give me some pills and creams.
I've experienced your thing too though, before this PE shit. Clenches and pushes out. It didn't go floppy in that time, and it sounds a little worrisome if it goes floppy that fast.

>>34744374
Well mine is because my erection fluctuates during intercourse, I think that is common and normal too. So if her orgasm starts hitting when I am in a trough, so to speak, it will flush me out, plus the struggle of me trying to remain in takes me off my pleasure trip, it makes me put bodily effort and so my erection goes.

>>34744377
That's a very common problem actually. You need to steady yourself deep inside her (no long thrusting, only short and forceful deep "nudges" to keep stimulation up for her) before she actually clenches up. This requires some extra bit of intuition and foresight.

>>34744377
How fast from rock hard to floppy?

>>34744414
Like I said, if it hits during a trough, almost immdiately. Slower, if at all, if I am on a peak.

>>34744406
Depends, I do have intuition and try to make myself comfortable.

>>34744438
I am no doctor but I think the erection should be more persistent than that, particularly if you are watching the woman you love (or some random girl who's hot) climax.

>>34744459
Well, it's why I am in this thread, right?

>>34744463
Right. Any other erection issues? Issues getting hard without a large amount of stimuli?

>>34744468
I get erections if I have had a good sleep or siesta, also I get them when kissing my gf. But as a "rule", I always miss the first time I am about to have sex with someone. I always start from a point of anxiety

>>34744438
Well, why not steady yourself in during that trough, rather than wait for her body to clamp up on you? I'm not sating it always is that easy, but at least it should be a viable approach.

File: 1780673437342913.jpg (629 KB, 1895x1010)

629 KB JPG

wow sex sounds pretty neat from all the detailed descriptions ITT. wish i could have it

>>34731534
>It's actually quite plausible for a 4chan denizen.
Eve&doe nobody on here gets any.

>>34746600
>wish i could have it
But you can have it. You just gotta try bro. Take it from a former incel faggot, literally all you gotta do is try. Some have to try harder than others but it's possible.

>>34746629
chat is this cope

>>34747645
It's kinda cope, but he makes a good point.

>>34747655
explain

>>34747662
Anon, even if you never get your girlfriend from trying your best and missing out on so many chicks who had a crush on you you never noticed. At least you got to enjoy life okay?

>>34747668
but if i'm fucked either way, why subject myself to rejection and the horrible feelings that go with it if i could just skip it entirely and get the same result?

>>34747676
Choose possible rejection or guaranteed regret. Rejection if it actually happens is real, regret is the eternal unanswered what if.

>>34747676
Not if you have passion. Look at Leonardo DaVinci. Dude was crazy for thinking he could make a flying machine and now we have airplanes. That is what your chase is for a girlfriend.

Who does Kegel's here? Do they work?

How do you stop yourself cumming when you're so excited with her pussy in front of you???!

>>34747794
Some say do kegels, some say reverse kegels, or pelvic floor relaxation. Neither are a fix on their own aside from in extraordinary circumstances when someone's pelvic floor is tight as hell or who have some trick with their body.
You know how people say "be confident" when you ask how to get girls? At first it sounds like ass advice. "How am I supposed to just 'be confident'? Explain how!". The thing is that there's no one way of being confident. It's about who you are as a person, and once you've tried and failed to project an aura of fake confidence, you realize that the original advice is correct and you have to figure out your own path there. Sure, you can looksmaxx a little and improve your odds, but at the end of the day, be confident and actually talk to girls.
So for what it's worth, the fix to premature ejaculation is "be relaxed". How? Treat masturbation like a journey rather than a means to an orgasm, do pelvic floor relaxation, calm your brain down (if you're like me you've dopamined yourself with constant escapism and your brain is never not thinking about stuff), meditate, sleep properly, be relaxed at work, try your best to be "in the moment" rather thqn constantly working towards a goal. See people making amateur porn: If they're not hopped up on various drugs, they have a very relaxed approach to sex. Not overly excited, just happy to be there. Pleasure has to be seen as a prolonged activity, something to savor, not just the shit you need to do to cum.
It takes work, lots of it. You have to train via masturbation, and you cannot be worried, stressed, desperate etc.

>>34747794
>>34725282

>>34747936
You are absolutely right (not that anon to whom you replied btw). The thing is I used to be like that when I was a teen. Now it feels like I have to relearn all that used to be natural! It's like I am in a Rocky movie.

>>34748268
Me too, ish. I used to jack off to orgasm quickly with porn but I was able to last at decent pace. Not controlled but also not cumming instantly. Then I started rushing even more, developed a few anxieties and probably misused my dick. Now I have PE, and undoing it is hell.

>>34748344
Are you the anon who ranked sexual dysfunctions and put PE as the worst?

>>34746600
>wow sex sounds pretty neat from all the detailed descriptions ITT. wish i could have it
actually, we're all mostly complaining that it's over too soon

>>34750732
I'm definitely not. I last as long as I want and can cum whenever I want. And I don't need to take any drugs or think of my grandma to do so.

>>34712702
People talk in only the vaguest of terms about the lack of nerve endings inside the actual vagina. It's like nobody wants to say the quiet part out loud.

>>34749173
No, and the worst is erectile dysfunction.

>>34747687
Yeah, and 500 years later people call him gay. You can't win either way.

>>34750916
What?

>>34755147
There are very few nerve endings in the vagina proper, and logically so, since a fetus has to go through there. What (>>34712702) said is basically the most complete theory of how penetration can be pleasurable given the right conditions.

Who ever talks about this cogently? They'll say that most women can't cum from penetration, but they don't say the how of it.

>>34755516
>a fetus
A human being :)

bump

So has anyone done kegel's to sucess?

>>34761921
>>34725282

Gf complains that I always leave her to hang just as she is about to cum because I become floppy at the critical hour.

>>34762236
Then stop doing that... lol

>>34762254
HOW??

>>34762255
There's like plenty of info in this thread already. If you can't figure it out then you're a retard.

>>34762236
That seems like psychological issue, maybe you want to leave her hanging

>>34710500
With no condom, 2 to 4 minutes. If she's dry, you'll never cum. With a condom, 7 to 15 minutes depending on if she's gripping your whole cock down to the very end of the shaft and depending on what type of condom you use.

>>34710500
>When it comes to sex, how fast is it over? or soon rather? I am terrified to have sex and I am a guy. I have really bad performance anxiety and I haven't even done anything. My biggest fear is ejaculating very quickly OR taking too long or even being unable.

My wife and I usually average about 15 minutes of foreplay/heavy petting before we get to actual sex, and about 40 minutes of sex itself. When we first started fooling around I could vary between 2 pumps or marathon railing her for hours depending on the day. We've both had spells where we couldn't get off without doing it ourselves (if at all), or the complete opposite where we got so excited we couldn't hold the pleasure back. After 8 years together the whole experience being about an hour is our sweet spot, yours could be much less or much more, no shame either way.

>I believe I'd actually be unable to finish most likely.
Happens to the best of us once in a while, especially while you're figuring it all out.
>I have read some things like vaginas feeling marginally less good than your hand. built up the sensation of a vagina to feel like some sort of instant orgasm
Depends on how hot and bothered you both are. Sometimes that first slide in is instant bliss; other times it's just ok.

>So what can I do to make sure my penis actually works correctly?
Trial by fire, bed a pretty lady and see what happens.
>How long should sex take? I have read some things and it says 10-15 minutes. Others say it can be for an hour. Whats the truth?
Probably somewhere in-between those numbers, it varys from partner to partner too.

>I have no idea what I am doing and I am 30.
Only one way to find out.

>>34726887
Depends on the girl and her arousal level. Some girls are just ready to go when they're turned on; might need to take it a little slow for the first few pumps or you might be able to start strong.

Tough thing about sex is that everyone is different, every body is different, and everyone does it differently. What works with one person might not for another, so you really gotta communicate.

>>34710500
Im 42 so I know: usually is like 20 minutes without any heart rate altering pills, if the woman is enjoying you, she will demand more, like between 10 to 15 minutes more but the first few times she should climax at around the 20 minutes mark, the same as men.

You can fuck a woman for an hour and a half without any pills, in a semi erect state if you have a big dick, having a big one is important because the bigger it is, the less she will feel is not completely rock hard. This is achieved only through missionary position and taking semi deep breaths every minute and a half and, she must be willing to endure it with you, so don't do that to a woman that isnt fully into you.

I have never taken any pills but I have heard that you can go around 3 hours with them but that if you are young, taking one of those pills can give you arrithmia and other heart problems. A woman shouldnt be impressed by a young guy that takes a pill to last a ton but since we live in a shallow society...

>>34762345
I don't...you think?

>>34762273
It's /adv/

>>34762417
>especially while you're figuring it all out.

Thanks bro (not that anon)

>>34737035
>ever notice it’s always the politicians who go on about “morality” and “family values” who end up in corruption and sex scandals?
Eric Swalwell and Graham Platner were neither of these things so kinda a weak point. Politics just selects for crazy people generally

>>34762092
that sounds like some sex guru wannabe talking shit

>>34766334
This is why you're gonna be a premature ejaculator for the rest of your life.
You're too stupid to realize good information when it's right in front of your face.
And you're too lazy to put the effort in to learn and do what needs to be done.

>>34710500
>How fast is it over?
In a heartbeat my nigga

>>34710500
Average man ejaculates in less than 7 minutes during intercourse.

>>34769742
I can go indefinitely.

I just started dating a 4'11" 18 year old but I struggle with the mental performance anxiety and I have been single for 10 years so up until we started dating I was death gripping it to hentai rpgmaker games multiple times a day. At first I could barely stay hard to penetrate her, but now almost 3 months together and I'm able to stay hard as long as I go slow. If I start to plap too fast I go limp. I didn't used to have this problem, idk if it's just cause I'm in my 30s now and out of shape, or if this stressful job is raping my mind. I feel like my sensation is starting to return slowly thank God. Also probably have a porn addiction because on lunch breaks I sometimes browse /gif/. Thought about getting Hims but am just going to ride it out. I can cum from just PiV so it's not all bad. Just gotta really be in the mood and I initiate too often when I'm too tired to complete. It's horrible being next to a petite 18 year old you know you should want to fuck her brains out but your dick just doesn't listen.

>>34769909
Forgot to mention I don't last very long. Maybe 5-10 minutes before I cum if I pound away it'll go a bit limp sometimes but then get hard right as I'm about to cum. It's very strange. I could go longer slower but I get impatient and worried like I'll go limp eventually so I should finish while I'm hard. Oddly enough I can stay hard the whole time she strokes me or blows me for 30 minutes. I just go limp in PIV it's strange. Maybe I'm gay.

>>34769909
>I just started dating a 4'11" 18 year old
Fuck you

>>34769909
>It's horrible being next to a petite 18 year old you know you should want to fuck her brains out
I hope you die

>>34770177
I been with a short petite girl before and it's kinda meh. She had no tits. When I pressed them you could feel her bone. Her weight was like paper when she sat on my thighs. You're not missing out on anything.

What if it's a dude's ass instead of a vagina?

>>34770337
lmao at that point you should kill yourself

>>34712702
Can you explain each of the courses, because I am fine with just ice cream for dinner.

>>34769189
In a fucking heartbeat

>>34770118
>>34770177
Why the hostility? What is wrong?

>>34772658
Not hostility. Just a bit of friendly jealousy at you nabbing an 18 year old. You lucky ass bastard.

>>34772713
Not that anon, I was only wondering why the hostility.

>>34770344
lol

Just try different mechanical variation then cum at the end or somewhere between

>>34778314
When did you become random?

You'll bust as soon as your glans touches a vagina.

>>34779288
What?

>>34780551
That's not right

Just broke up with someone on account I couldn't get it up, lol

>>34785547
ouch...