>>34711064
What are you, Mr. Moral? You're gonna die anyways so go fuck the prostitute and have fun.

>>34711064
There's a saying that dying rich just makes you the biggest laughing stock in hell. It's the same with sex. If you think sex is something you're interested in and genuinely want to do, do you really wanna die a virgin?

We live in an age where you have the biggest pool of damsels ever, at your fingertips no less! And if you can't get any that way you can pay your way.

"Death is the great abstinence, and life is the great indulgence, so enjoy life!"

>>34711064
ChatGPT is actually right in this case

>>34711064
Sex is an inadequate masturbation substitute

>>34711064
I don't envy the Indians packed into a crowded office typing really fast to answer your Chat GPT requests

>>34711064
I'd recommend real sex at least once. At least then you'll know exactly what you're giving up and there won't be any what ifs.

>>34711064
Virginity isn't a real thing, it's a construct. You won't feel any different after "losing" something that doesn't exist.

>>34711064
You're not going there to make the virginity, you're going there to try to catch up or fit in with the imagined normies or chads in your imagination. You fuck the prostitute you lose the virginity and you will notice your life didn't change at all. And you did not get hit with a lightning bolt of confidence or ambition, you get precisely nothing but a shallow orgasm and less money in your wallet.

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>>34711137
you are forgetting a small detail, that hedonism leads to death, spiritual and sometimes physical. It keeps you from your true purpose and becoming who you want to be.
I say this as someone who has hired escorts. If I do go, I'm paying for a fancier nut. It is time and money I'll never get back, and it DOES make you see women as disposable sex objects. Which will affect how you look at "real" women, making it hard to connect, and, if you sexually fulfilled by escorts, you are not as likely to go out and seek a girlfriend.

But, the present situation of the dating market and our dystopian society where men are extremely isolated, is brutal towards the common men. Not just the incels like anon, but it's hard to secure a date, let alone a girlfriend. The money and time I've put towards, doing activities just to meet (mid) women, and paying for gas and money to go on the sparce dates, far exceeds the money I've paid for escorts, which is around 50/70€ here. I've had fun with escorts, I like the feeling of getting there, handing them the cash, and getting to it. It's just interesting. I never enjoyed the chasing women. picrel. It's really hot.

Your point is somewhat valid, albeit as a Christian, I do find issues in it. I do think it's going to keep you from finding true love and good woman to marry. Even if never get married, you are going to be thinking :"could it have been because I was paying whores for sex? instead of doing literally anything else?" That's why I think it's a sin.

even kno, if I go on dates, I'm thinking to myself:
>"I have to pick her up, she's talking about some normie globohomo bullshit that I have to entertain, then we go out for dinner, which I'll have to pay, and the best you might get is a kiss on the cheek....if that"
The last two dates I went on, I didn't even get a kiss on the lips...Women just accept dates because they have nothing better to do, and Chad is busy.

>>34711811
there are no Indians doing that

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>>34712221
>You fuck the prostitute you lose the virginity and you will notice your life didn't change at all. And you did not get hit with a lightning bolt of confidence or ambition, you get precisely nothing but a shallow orgasm and less money in your wallet.
also this. You will realize it was for naught. You are were you left off. It was all meaningless. It's like instead of slaying an actual real dragon, you paid for a videogame where you killed a digital dragon.
I think there was only one time, perhaps out of 12 times I've visited escorts, where I came home actually fulfilled and not dooming or sad and filled with regret.

>>34712252
Glad you realized that bro. I never paid the prostitute to learn that lesson but that's not me boasting I fortunately was dealt with so many issues in young life that I was too fucked to even make that mistake. Whether I'd have made the mistake back then idk. What I do know is you're wise for having fucked up and learned it first hand and in proud of you for it dude, I respect your struggle.

The real damage to it though is it's something a man has to carry to his grave, because you tell any girl about it and you're not going to see a lot of mercy. It's relationship repellent. Unless you meet a God abiding one, 50% chance they don't judge you for it.

>>34712288
hey thanks I guess. I still have temptation. I don't masturbate or watch porn, haven't in years. But with escorts it's different. I think I lack the human contact, just grabbing the tits and squeezing the ass feels amazing. I haven't even done it that much I think. I went last year in October, and last month.
I understand you. It really is a pandora box sort of deal. After you go once, you'll know it's always going to be there. And now that I've started making good money, and escorts are rather cheap here, It's a bit harder to fight it. I think my first whore was at 20yo. Now I'm 31.


I know that. I would never tell anyone. I've only told it to my priest in the confessional, who gave me great guidance in order to avoid it. Much better than therapy and free.

>>34712304
Nice. I wish there were actual ways to support and structure help for men in the cycle of visiting or using prostitution. Society always seems to feel sympathy for or support the prostitute. For the men that fall into that, there's almost no proper humanizing help available at least to my knowledge, if it exists it's certainly not abundant. It's hard seeing young men go down that road, really good hearted dudes who just wanted to feel like they were successful to themselves but had nobody to actually point out their strengths to them and they were left to rot socially. Thank God for church, man. I'm glad you got someone in your corner

>>34711064
I lost mine to a prostitute, and it's one of my biggest regrets.

>>34711064
Pussy is absolutely not overhyped but most of the joy comes from finding a woman that wants your cock. I cannot tell you how good it feels to find a woman that wants your cum. Paying for it ain't it chief.

>>34712252
>It's like instead of slaying an actual real dragon, you paid for a videogame where you killed a digital dragon.
How to I slay an actual real dragon?

>>34712901
do you actually think that in all European myths and epic poems a "Dragon" is a literal giant lizard that spits flames? or perhaps, maybe...a metaphor for an insurmountable gargantuan hardship or struggle that must be overcome?

>>34712943
The first one, obviously. Duh.

>>34712901
>How to I slay an actual real dragon?
Humans are the dragon if they embody enough bad shit.

>>34712804
why

>>34712891
what if the hookah is a good actor, as in shes acting like a hungry cum slut, kinda lika a good porn actress

>>34714826
In your heart you know it's a lie. Your balls will know too.

>>34714835
but wouldnt you say that experiencing even that is better than never having any?

>>34714826
You think hookers are good at their job but you have to think of it critically. You think a woman that is selling her pussy Instead of working is a woman with any drive no they are lazy and dumb. I would say less than 10% of hookers are actually decent the rest are just trying to rip you off. I would say try with normie girls first if that doesn't work then at least go to see what sex feels like and you'll find its overrated if theres no feelings involved its as mechanic as jacking off.

>>34714826
the issue is that you assume pr0n has anything to do with real sex. it's not, it's just awkwardly play-acting sex for the benefit of a camera. a real sexually confident woman who wants you in that way will _not_ "act like a hungry cum slut" from pr0n, she'll just make you feel really really good about yourself and the act in a passionate and intimate way that really doesn't show up on screen.
then you'll just want to do it again and again, and even more passionately and romantically. which is what her inner biology and psychology actually craves from you when it has entered its _real_ "hungry cum slut" operating mode.

>>34712943
>do you actually think that in all European myths and epic poems a "Dragon" is a literal giant lizard that spits flames?
Um, yes. In the myths and epic poems, that's precisely what it is.

>>34711064
Depends on the prostitute. Some of them are better at the job than others. Its kind of like finding the right barber

>>34715050
Real sex is more playful and kinda goofy. It's supposed to be fun where you both chuckle at awkward movements or accidentally doing shit like kissing in the dark but colliding front teeth, or accidentally leaning an elbow on the chicks long hair on the bed. Sensual foreplay and then a build up to the climactic sex, that's the shit the porn tries to dramatize, the last 5 - 10 minutes of penetration. Even then porn fails to capture the real thing
>No kisses during penetration
>No "I love yous"
>No burying your face in the crook of each others shoulders
>No back scratching
>Shoulder biting
>Ear nibbling
>Or when she gets ravenous and locks her legs around your torso to keep you in

Porn can't imitate it well, and I'm not sure what prostitutes do but I'm willing to guess it's completely devoid of affection.

Which is why I think guys who see them should stop cuz they're getting scammed and they deserve the real thing

>>34715148
>>No kisses during penetration
>No "I love yous"
>No burying your face in the crook of each others shoulders
>No back scratching
>Shoulder biting
>Ear nibbling
>Or when she gets ravenous and locks her legs around your torso to keep you in
I don't know where you are from, but here, The Brazilian escorts offer something called "namoradinha" which translates to "girlfriend experience", and they do all of those things. Not all of them do it, but there's many that offer it. The last one I was with did it all, except kissing. I fucked an Angolan one, and also a Portuguese one, that did all of that, and their pussies were wet.
It is of course acting, but yeah.

>>34712244
>The last two dates I went on, I didn't even get a kiss on the lips...Women just accept dates because they have nothing better to do, and Chad is busy.
>hedonism leads to death
>as a Christian

Yeah I'm pretty sure your rejection of "hedonism" has nothing to do with you being unable to participate, and is totally a legitimate spiritual worldview lmao
Sour grape christlarpers are the best. You'd be the biggest proponent of Promiscuity if women allowed you to partake.

Oh yeah, and if you were less of an utter sperg you'd have fucked those girls. Women don't go out with men they are not interested in. Women accepting dates because they've got nothing better ot do is literally not a thing IRL.

I'm a FSSW (so basically, a prostitute).

Do you just want to experience sex and get experience before committing to a relationship? -> sure, go for it, but be aware that like the other anon said, most women don't look kindly on it and you'll have to hide it.

Do you have an addictive personality? -> don't do it. You could become addicted. I've had clients who I've had to gently nudge away because they were seeing me so frequently and I was honestly a bit concerned.

Do you actually care about keeping your virginity for the one you love? -> personally, I think it's a stupid idea but if you believe that then don't see a prostitute

Do you care about getting an emotional experience? -> depends. as a rule of thumb, the less time you buy, the less emotional stuff you get. a 30 minute or qv will obviously have less time for connecting than a 2 hour session. but it's obviously different than connecting with a woman normally.

I would like to say that paying for sex is entirely an act. It's easy to feel limerence (and this goes both ways, mind you) because you see each other for limited amounts of time. Everyone is obviously putting on an act. I'm putting on my best front and usually the men are as well. I've felt some level of attraction to some clients before remembering they're cheaters and that he's probably a douche bag of a partner in reality.

Some sex workers put on more of an act than others. I would say I lean towards being more authentic, but I still lie about things for my safety.

Also, I've seen virgins before and usually they can have sex fine, but there was one guy who could not get it in. I think he had some issues with the mental side of it because he'd be terrified to push into my pussy because it felt like his cock was breaking. Apparently. I tried to help them but at some point there's only so much I can do. So I'd probably go for a flesh light first so you can at least get used to the sensation of pushing into a pussy.

> I've felt some level of attraction to some clients before remembering they're cheaters and that he's probably a douche bag of a partner in reality.

If they are not getting sex from their girlfriends, are they really cheating? At that point they are automatically single. Like if you don't get your salary for a few months even if you still work, you're technically unemployed, lol.

>>34715748
You ever considered just hitching up to one of the virgin clients and getting out of the game? You might not know it, but a lot of the young guys I try to advise to not go down the road of paying, a lot of them are good guys, unsocialized, high functioning autistic sometimes. Some of them listen to me, some don't. The ones that don't regret their decision, since the only reason they wanted to drop their V wasn't for sexual thrill seeking, but to 'fit in' with other men, they felt like they were behind. Some of them said they saw pain or sadness in the prostitutes eyes, and they felt remorse. Some of them even wondered if it were possible to just ask to love her and take her as a wife. Since their whole goal was to try to be socially accepted so they could find love one day.

If you found a client like that, you wouldn't wanna take a leap of faith and get a good life with someone innocent?

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>>34715556
>You'd be the biggest proponent of Promiscuity if women allowed you to partake.
they do, I just don't want it. I'm not an incel, but I also don't want to use normal women for sex. Whores are whores, it's their job. If I fuck them I don't feel bad for using them( although I should) but leading women on who care for you is evil.
Promiscuity ruins civilizations. Just look around you. Guys are quiet quitting everything because women are whore and only fuck chads. Maybe you'll notice when the guys that fix your water, power supply, infrastructure, you name it, just don't show up for work anymore.

>>34712244
>you are forgetting a small detail, that hedonism leads to death, spiritual and sometimes physical. It keeps you from your true purpose and becoming who you want to be.I say this as someone who has hired escorts. If I do go, I'm paying for a fancier nut. It is time and money I'll never get back, and it DOES make you see women as disposable sex objects. Which will affect how you look at "real" women, making it hard to connect, and, if you sexually fulfilled by escorts, you are not as likely to go out and seek a girlfriend.
All of this is 100% correct.
>>34715556
I don't think I can call myself a Christian anymore but he's still correct. You don't have to believe in souls or an afterlife to realize your "spirit" is real in a metaphysical sense.
>Oh yeah, and if you were less of an utter sperg you'd have fucked those girls. Women don't go out with men they are not interested in. Women accepting dates because they've got nothing better ot do is literally not a thing IRL.
Ah, I see you've never actually interacted with women or been on dates, I don't need to engage you you that seriously then.

>>34715800
I mean that’s what he calls himself. He’s a self admitted douchebag. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I respect him for being self aware.

>>34715895
Honestly, no. I’m aromantic and I don’t enjoy relationships. I also think mixing work and love can be very messy. I have heard from other sex workers that their relationships that started with clients usually ended poorly. It’s a very rare thing for it to work out.

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>>34715556
>Women don't go out with men they are not interested in. Women accepting dates because they've got nothing better ot do is literally not a thing IRL.
"oh wow anon, you want to take me out to a nice place, pay for food and drinks, and go to an arcade, and in trade I give you nothing in return? oh my I would love that"
who in the fuck wouldn't say no? they do that , a lot. Picrel.

>>34715895
>>34716662
>Honestly, no. I’m aromantic and I don’t enjoy relationships.
She beat me to it, but yeah, they are pretty dead emotionally it seems. Not hating on the girls at all, but you have to have the pair bonding part of your brain pretty numbed out to be able to take cock after cock. I've also heard it on numerous podcasts and interviews (soft white underbelly). Interestingly, in the tradition of the church, the great saints what had similar lifestyle and turned away from it, went to become nuns and live life's of seclusion and charity.ie St. Pelagia of Antioch,St. Mary of Egypt.

>>34716662
How do I get escorts to let me fuck them raw?
I hate condoms.

>>34716910
Not that anon but be a regular client, offer them more money, and have a recently dated STD test showing you're clean (for the girls who are extra cautious). Just make sure you don't nut inside of them, even if they say they're on BC.

>>34716662
>Honestly, no. I’m aromantic and I don’t enjoy relationships. I also think mixing work and love can be very messy. I have heard from other sex workers that their relationships that started with clients usually ended poorly. It’s a very rare thing for it to work out.

Well alright. Just stay safe out there, bedding strangers is dangerous and if you aren't out for love at least be safe yeah? Peace to you