>Keep bouncing between addictions for a decade or so(food, porn, 4chan, caffeine, etc.) >Now as an adult, realize that it's fucking retard and that I hate myself>Try to take better care of myself (exercise, diet, sleep, etc.)>Stay consistent for a week or two>Reach breakpoint>Double-down on self-indulgence toward said addictions>Feel ashamed and hate myself even moreHas anyone here managed to escape this cycle? I don't even want friends or a gf anymore. I just want to wake up without feeling like I want to die (I don't have the balls to kill myself).
>>34719209Self improvement is a meme. You never actually start feeling better. What ends up happening is that if you stick with it, you have denied yourself real pleasure for so long your brain starts craving any tiny hit of dopamine and ordinary everyday things like fresh air and a cool breeze start feeling enjoyable. You've literally turned your brain into a beggar that will eat happily eat up mere scraps of minor pleasures. And by the time you're done you're so mentally broken you'll earnestly start to believe you're happy. It's like torturing a prisoner for years and then just letting them be and they're fucking ecstatic.
>>34719209find some purpose>how do i find purposeby trying to find it
>>34719342holy fpbp
>>34719362not retardedthe conventional doomer advice of 'self improvement is a meme' is pointlesswhat people actually mean when they ask for help breaking cycles like this is 'im a slave to min effort dopamine how do i stop'the answer isnt 'replace with dopamine that requires more effort' or 'its just denial fighting it'its finding something that evokes you to commit and dedicate yourself to something beyond yourself and your pleasure, eg purposeand people who dont know where to start finding purpose just need to start since usually the act of deciding to care about yourself beyond your next hit is purposeful enough for them to get the idea
>>34719342"Don't self-improve. It's a trap, you will be so mind broken by it that you will think being healthy and fit, making money, and going back to studying are good things."Holy retarded
>>34719487no you are dumb
>>34719487NTA but you are retarded.
>>34719497not to rub it in but the consensus >>34719498 is on you being stupid and dumb
>>34719477That's literally how it works. Good food, porn, drugs etc are objectively more pleasurable. Once you're addicted to them, breaking away is downgrading to something lesser. You have to acknowledge that if you want to change.
>>34719362>The problem lies deeper than those bad habits themselves, it's the negative way you relate to yourself and the worldFinding a purpose and having a routine is what fixes that though.
>>34719520>pornThe most pathetic addiction that there is in the world and you feel like trying to drop it is a downgrade, somehow.Feels like you're trying to validate not trying to make an effort to stop being miserable.
>>34719209This poster >>34719342 has a point Tim Dillon is a fat fucking faggot but he makes a great point about sobriety in this rant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6j_pR_vUqwSelf-discipline and using willpower to quit your habits really does fucking suck, and it also doesn't solve the base problems you are coping with. After a really bad breakup I forced myself to reduce my drinking and started a diet and regular exercise and clean living and all of that bullshit. I was just as miserable doing all that as I was when I was being a full-blown alcoholic. >>34719455>its finding something that evokes you to commit and dedicate yourself to something beyond yourself and your pleasure, eg purposeThis is also not wrong. After that breakup I mentioned, the delusion that I could get my ex back or at least get a new girlfriend to make her jealous was my "purpose" that drove my lifestyle changes. I ended up relapsing after moving to another town and could finally go permanently no contact with her, because truth be told I had nothing else to motivate me to change. I have other purposes in my life, but none of those are incompatible with being a fat slob or functional alcoholic.You really do need strong, constant motivation to keep up the changes.
>>34719534Keep arguing with your poor reading comprehension.
>>34719542It's not a downgrade though. Those are cheap pleasures that make you miserable in the long run.The other ones are difficult, sometimes borings activities that actually lead to a fulfilling life.It's called "time preference".
>>34719209I have the exact same problem. I feel like for me the only answer is finding a gf. Someone who I can spend time with in the evenings to give me serotonin. Cause I really don’t want to go back on meds.
>>34719342Actual trash post, didn't read past the first 3 wordsGo to the gym for a few years and the results make you automatically ignore people like this
>>34719628>for a few yearsThanks for proving my point.
>>34719686Mandatoryhttps://youtu.be/hRcWl8k6WQU?is=104BdoadsssX7EWX
>>34719686For what it‘s worth, you are right, I am still unhappyBut do I prefer being unhappy doing ordinary everyday things like swimming with friends as one of the muscular guys over being unhappy and not having those muscles? FUCK yes I do
>>34719209>4chanReal question, how do you even get addicted to this shithole of a site?
>>34719949Because somehow everywhere else is worse.
>>34719949I don't really know for sure, but I'd say that the format of the site is particularly appealing for people like me (lonely, alienated, low self-esteem). As for my personal life, I remember that I grew up somewhat isolated in a shit upbringing, which led to a persistent dependency on escapism of all sorts.
>>34719949How do you NOT get addicted to (You)s?>>34719991 is right, everywhere else is brainrot4chan is still cancer, but it's like cancer versus super aids x testicular cancer
>>34719949>Don't need to make an account>People here are better to talk to than reddit>Active enough userbase (not as good as before the hack but still)>Decent enough variety of topicsIf you don't like discord or reddit this is the best alternative.
>>34719455>people who dont know where to start finding purpose just need to start since usually the act of deciding to care about yourself beyond your next hit is purposeful enough for them to get the ideaSo, you're saying a possibly effective course of action is just do shit until I find something that compels me to create a sense of commitment? >Go to the gym for a few years andSorry brah, forgot to mention in the OP that I'm currently unemployed.
>>34719940Good for you. That's the attitude that will get you there.
>>34720037yes but you dont have to just do shit if you have an idea of what compels you already or what is meaningful to youwhat would you say is your purpose right now or if you dont have one what would you like it to be
>>34719209It can be done, it just takes consistent effort. Once you start feeling a little bit better, the results will become their own motivation and you won't even want to go back to your old habits.>>34719342This post is absolutely wrong in every single sense. Anyone who listens to this garbage is dooming themselves to a worthless life of regret and self loathing.
I was fat (106 kg), drinking every weekend, sometimes started on Wednesday, and I loooved weed. Looked in the mirror one day, after I got rejected at the bar, and I hated what I saw. This was 5 years ago. Now I am 3 years off alcohol (moderation did not work), I do CrossFit 4 times a week, eat healthy, weigh 86 kilograms, but still smoke weed like 2-3 times per month. I am much happier now, my next goal is to drop weed. Just do one thing at the time.
Recognizing shame spirals helped me a lot with breaking these cycles. It's okay to quit for a bit then pick back up. Lifestyle changes are made through consistent effort. You're bound to have hiccups
>>34719209I escaped this cycle. but i did it by literally forcing myself into an environment where i had to get my shit together (homeless).
>>34719209>help me i sometimes eat and drink coffee
>>34719628>Go to the gym for a few years and the results make you automatically ignore people like thisI've gone to the gym for more than a year now and i agree with every word of that post. i have muscle tone and sleep slightly better and that's it. my life still sucks and I'm alone and women aren't interested in me.>>34720323>Once you start feeling a little bit better, the results will become their own motivation and you won't even want to go back to your old habits.this doesn't happen. every single day i want to get stoned and binge eat again more than i want to maintain this discipline any longer. it's torture
>>34721971>>34721979these, you don't have to go full ascetic mode from day one, just make progressive small changes
>>34719209Understand that only action can change anything in this life, you wouldn't wake up one day strong, but you need to build that strength, the same way if you feel cold outside, changing your mentality wouldn't change the heat, but actually acting and building a shelter would change your state.You're weak, no matter what you try or what new technique you use this time, you would always return to your current state or worse, because your problem is the state of your mind.You should abandon your current life, and sale to a new land where you can adapt yourself to its good environment, like how birds migrate to the spring, with time you'll be rewired and wonder how you ever accepted that low life you live today.Otherwise nothing will ever change.>>34723386If you go full ascetic mode you'd achieve in few days what others achieve in months, but IT IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.
>>34724767>If you go full ascetic mode you'd achieve in few days what others achieve in months, but IT IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY.Can you go into detail? The best explaination I've seen comes from pic rel, but I've tried and failed quite badly.
>>34723372>this doesn't happenThen you never made any progress. Progress is measured internally, not externally. Forcing yourself not to eat doesn't do you any good if you haven't yet renounced gluttonous thoughts. Once you're free from gluttonous thoughts entirely, that's when you'll feel inner peace, and that's when you'll realize that it's better to be peaceful than desirous.
>>34719209There’s nothing wrong with any of those addictions. Stop being so hard on yourself. If you didn’t want to do it, you wouldn’t.
