I feel like therapy is a massive scam. Most problems can be solved by just reading, writing, and doing some actual self-reflection. I always see people on twitter posting about their therapy sessions, and the advice they get has the depth of a plate of unseasoned boiled chicken and white rice.
>>34721156and add to the fact you can fake having any illness quite literallyAND you can get cleared from having a real illness by acting and carefully selecting words.it's like what AI will be like in the future.you can make truth a lie and lie a truth.
>>34721188This leads me to believe that the famous headlines about the "Epidemic of mental health problems" are an inflated diagnosis and that, in reality, as a society we are retarded and cannot handle problems without depending on some jerk with a degree to tell us what we want to hear so we can feel like victims
Yes, it can work. I for example recently was able to find happiness despite being a piece of shit. I finally knew and felt that my grandparents, parents, and God loved me, so I felt that was enough to keep going in life. Does it mean it'll be easy? No. But I do feel glad that at least someone was in my life no matter what. Someone who believed in me despite the negativity that goes on in the world.
>>34721156Basically, yes. Anyone who has ever read The Discourses of Epictetus even once already knows more about psychology and mental health than the vast majority of professionals, and that's barely the very tip of the iceberg in terms of fantastic reading material on the subject.
>>34721156>Most problems can be solved by just reading, writing, and doing some actual self-reflection.>the advice they get has the depth of a plate of unseasoned boiled chicken and white rice.It sounds like a scam because you're overthinking the problem. We may be sentient animals that are uniquely aware of our conditions, but we still are animals. The goal is to trick our retarded gorilla brains into producing the chemicals that make us less depressed. It sounds retarded but it's true.You have to consider that we have an entire subconscious primal part of our brain that we don't have any direct control over. We can only influence it. Just think of the placebo effect. We can take a fake pill and convince our retard brain that it's going to do something, and it has ACTUAL MEASURABLE effects. But we can't command our brain to stop breathing or to stop our heart from beating, or to stop processing pain signals, or to stop feeling anxiety, etc. We can only comfort our retard brain and try to reassure it that everything is ok.
>>34721156>actual self reflection Most therapy is just a professional guiding someone who was previously incapable of self reflection into it. If you're too self aware traditional talk therapy(CBT) won't do shit for you.
Therapy from female therapists is a scam. They just sit there and listen to you yapping most of the time. If you say something slightly off-color, they refer you to a mental hospital or refuse to see you.The first male therapist I saw was a massive difference. He was so well-versed in CBT techniques it was almost insane. He had an in-depth answer for every problem I had. He knew every CBT cognitive distortion by heart and how to apply them to my problems. He spent most of the time talking because he had so much to say. He always highlighted my strengths, and never once suggested that I needed to go to a mental hospital.Female therapists will occasionally interject with some advice, but they mostly just listen to you talk. That shit works for women because they do nothing but yap. But if you’re a man and you say you’re having troubling thoughts, suddenly you’re beyond her expertise, you clearly need a higher level of care, aaand into the mental hospital you go.
>>34721463>you're too self aware traditional talk therapy(CBT) won't do shit for you.traditional talk therapy is not the same thing as CBT, retard
>>34721631Talk therapy is absolutely part of cognitive behavioral therapy. The main part. Yeah they give you "homework" but the main chunk of it is just telling your problems to some woman who says "that sounds hard/frustrating, how do you feel about that and what do you think you should do about it" to everything.
>>34721156It doesn't work if you have certain level of introspection. You have to live in auto mode for it to work.
>>34721156I've never been to therapy but based off of what I hear it all just sounds like guided versions of the stuff you mentioned (writing, self-reflection, etc...). Most normies don't have what it takes to do things by themselves, especially not things that require a lot of work, like self reflection let alone changing themselves. I have a semi-normie friend who went to therapy and had to take lexapro. He says it was a massive boon to him. So I guess if you need access to certain prescription drugs therapy is good for that I guess.
>>34721156Therapy is helpful to guide people through that self-reflection. We all have our blind spots, and an outside perspective helps. Also, some mental disorders benefit from the positive relationship with the therapist, like it might be the first non-destructive relationship they've had.
>>34721156>Most problems can be solved by just reading, writing, and doing some actual self-reflection.You sound like someone who's never had real problems. I envy the easy life you must live where you can solve your problems by reading a fucking book or writing in a journal.At the very least, therapists provide you with someone you can freely and openly vent to without fear of social consequences (unless you do something retarded like admit to being suicidal/homicidal/abusing a minor). As long as they're not reaffirming your bad life decisions, and granted a lot of shitty therapists do, then that can actually be very valuable.
>>34721156Depth psychologists like Jung were much clearer about this. A key part of therapy is transference, where essentially if you are able to enter into a inferior position to the therapist you are able to project your unconcious contents onto them. By them doing this and leaning into it they can help you deal with your unconcious. One of the consequences of this is basically in order for therapy to work, you need to be willing to be in that inferior position and in some sense 'divinize' the therapist. Because it allows that unconcious content to in some way be conciously dealt with. Modern therapy still talks about this part of practice, but obviously in much less depth. The sad thing is for Jung this was an infantile stage you are meant to grow out of, at some point therapy becomes harmful and prevents individuation/mental health so the point of the therapist/analyst is to teach you to not need them, and jung regularly told people to stop going to their analyst because they've grown past it. Modern therapy does not have that, they just foster the weird unconcious relationship and use it to drain people of money. There is still some use in modern therapy though, you just have to view it as a tool. The job of the therapist is NOT to understand you, it's to administer some procedure. You can do this with group therapy or specific things like CBT regiments, look up your issues and see what therapeutic regiments are helpful to it and do those. But yes a huge % of the benefits is just to basically serve as an idol to people that allows them to deal with things in their psyche they aren't able to otherwise. I wish people were more open about this because at a basic level if you aren't willing to enter into that inferior position (I never am) therapy is useless apart from those specific regiments. The unconcious projection/idolatry is also why some people are so attached to therapy, because they it's their access point to the 'divine' in their psyche.
>>34721939So if someone has intrusive thoughts about homicide or suicide due to severe OCD and it causes them a lot of severe mental anguish, they should be afraid of admitting that to a shrink because it could ruin my life? Yeah, you really did a great job of making it sound like a wise investment. Lol.Fact is, a lot of therapists aren’t just uncaring, they are actively malicious. I’ve known therapists who instructed my friend to bring her suicide plans to a therapy appointment, ordered her to COMPLETE THE SUICIDE PLAN IN FRONT OF THEM, and then involuntarily committed her to a mental hospital because she followed the therapist’s order to complete her suicide plan.It also doesn’t matter if you stress 100 times over that your troubling thoughts are intrusive. They can still report you anonymously to the police (even with no duty to report, even if it technically violates HIPAA) and the police will automatically side with the shrink who reported you. If you have intrusive thoughts about suicide/homicide, you might as well go to Hell as far as shrinks and the police are concerned. They are fucking evil.
>>34722008>So if someone has intrusive thoughts about homicide or suicide due to severe OCD and it causes them a lot of severe mental anguishLike I said, not a real problem.Wanna trade places with me? I grew up on food stamps and was physically abused as a child and had to watch my dad beat the shit out of my mom while she was naked multiple times. In the years since then I managed to helm a failing business with like a month and a half of cash on hand while I've got three kids and a wife practically printing the divorce papers already.Get lost you mentally ill genetic fuckup, get off your computer and go learn what real problems are like. "Muh intrusive thoughts" what a fucking luxury LMAO.
>>34722008>>34722023Oh yeah speaking of suicide, I found out today one of my employees killed himself at 48. I don't think it was his intrusive thoughts, I think it was being almost completely broke at his age, having multiple drug problems, no prospects, a bad back, and paying alimony and child support to an ex wife and daughter that didn't love him.
It works for people who can apply it. If you're fucked to the gills condemned to an insane asylum, then therapy is basically useless.
>>34721156i notice therapy makes me feel better but it drops off once i stop doing therapy
>>34721156Well, you're clearly not looking for advice, just loudly proclaiming your opinion as correct. But actually, the answer to your question is yes, therapy can be extremely helpful if you're autistic, but only if your therapist has specific training in dealing with autistic patients.
>>34721156Therapy only works for those who give it a chance. You go to therapy because there's something in your life you want to change. But change is scary, and a LOT of people resisit it, thereby sabotaging the therapy.
I think we just need real friends
>>34721156>Most problems can be solved by just reading, writing, and doing some actual self-reflection.Die, normie.
>>34721602This is true never confide to foids. They are definitely reporting you to the government and cops.
Its only for women who need to feel heard. Men typically dont have that need very much and more just need someone to help them find solutions to problems. Some therapists can do that but most are too retarded/uninterested to help men.
>>34721199bingonotice how many ppl wear it like a badge.they advertise it like it's some prize.
>>34721602I half agree with this at least the part about female therapists idk about the rest. The therapist is basically there because your dad is a cuck/fag/abusive and you don't want to scare off your friends lovers so you have no adult figure to ask how to solve problems. I wouldn't say therapy fixed my problems 100% but I made some gains. If your health insurance pays for it it could be worth it (not if you pay full)
