Am I retarded for choosing to become a troon?
>>34722955Yes, but you're doing better than most by at least questioning your choice. There can be absolutely no happiness for someone who makes the rejection of reality his ambition, so the sooner you turn away from that decision and begin embracing reality, the better.
>>34722955The only problem I have with transgender is that you need to be careful to understand that there is no finality to identity there is no you there is no "once I'm a girl I will be complete or vice versa" completeness is a fake concept that is governed by inherant lack. There will always and I mean ALWAYS be that "one last thing" relating to the thing that you think will make you whole because that is the literal gap of language that cannot be crossed. I can go deeper into this but the point is, if you think transitioning will offer you relief or lasting completion it won't, that is a structural impossibility. However if you want to transition despite knowing this in a real way then I actually totally encourage it. In this way it is actually a TRUE ACT it will completely retroactively change every aspect of your life and how you relate to the symbolic world we share. So I think it is very heroic in that sense
>>34722955No more retarded than you are for choosing anything else in life
>>34722988>I can go deeper into thisBy all means... please do sir
>>34722992Irreversibly damaging yourself for the sake of a fad based on a fetish is definitely more retarded than the vast majority of possible decisions.
>>34723016>a fad based on a fetishWhat? I thought they do this because it's their identity. It's has nothin to do with fetishism.
>>34722988>However if you want to transition despite knowing this in a real way then I actually totally encourage itThat's also an impossibility. There are no sincere or knowledgeable transitioners, because transitioning is a decision based on ignorance. It will only ever sound like a good idea to somebody who believes his happiness lies at the end of that road, which it never does and never could. Someone who knows that he won't become happier by transitioning will simply not transition, because it's harmful physically and mentally. It's kind of like saying "I applaud women who get breast implants even though they know it won't help their self esteem at all", because there are no women who fit into that category. Anyone who understands the futility of breast augmentation simply will not do it, and anyone who fully understands the implications of it will despise the behavior on a moral level.
>>34723025There's no such thing as an identity. It's based purely on fetishism and porn addiction.
>>34722994>>34722988Not the OP but I almost trooned out in highschool. I wouldn't say I'm homophobic or even transphobic either. If you're a man and you don't like the way you look/low self esteem, being a girl will NOT help that. You need to find who (YOU) are and do things that you think make someone a respectable and great person. When you start living a life that you actually like living in, reassess these thoughts and if you still have them, maybe trooning out is something that could help you cross the mark. But 99% of the time those feelings will probably go away. I really enjoy being a 'guy' now, and if I were to troon out I think I'd need to still feel like this isn't my body. That's subjective, I guess, so take what you will from it. Make sure you play to your own strengths, too. The worst thing is an overweight person who's still a fat fuck/in terrible shape but they start experimenting in public with some shit they bought at Lululemon. Be realistic with the process. Understand that it can be an uphill battle. Is the trade off of possible self acceptance worth the guaranteed ostracism and scrutiny that will come if you live anywhere outside of a major city? Maybe it could be for you. Just don't have buyer's remorse when you do it.
>>34723029lol so you're telling me ellen page tried to become a man because she has a fetish and or porn addiction?
>>34723118No, with women it's usually based on the delusion that they'll immediately become respected and listened to as an authority the moment they pretend to be male. Often times it also comes from sexual abuse and the desire to be stronger than their abusers, which is probably the case with her because she grew up surrounded by Hollywood Jews. Rarely some women do go down that path because they fetishize yaoi to the extent that they want to be a gay man, but that's less common than the other two.
>>34723133>some women do go down that path because they fetishize yaoi to the extent that they want to be a gay manwhoa how perverted are these women? I want to meet one... they must be really freaky in bed
>>34722955depends on why you decided to troon out
>>34723262I don't like your nuance hat.
>>34722988>However if you want to transition despite knowing this in a real way then I actually totally encourage it. In this way it is actually a TRUE ACT it will completely retroactively change every aspect of your life and how you relate to the symbolic world we share. So I think it is very heroic in that sense.>Symbolic world This only exists in the mind. And if someone can't tell fantasy from reality, they're mentally ill. While the heroic troon is basking in ruminative glory, lauded by phantoms in their own thought bubbles, in reality all anyone will see is a neurotic and unhinged person sitting at a park bench and people just choose to stay away. Don't encourage this sort of shit, man.
>>34723281why? :(>>34723300the shared languages that humans use to communicate (or, the 'symbolic world') very much do exist in the material world
>>34723379Meaning only travels in one direction. Which is to say, that truth informs symbols. Symbols do not inform truth. Pretending to be something you are not will not change the truth, it will only disconnect you from the truth and thus make you odious to everyone around you because you've immersed yourself in evil and falsity instead of in good and truth.
>>34723379>the shared languages that humans use to communicate (or, the 'symbolic world') very much do exist in the material worldWhere you see a symbol I see paper or rock or metal or wood or whatever the human has chosen to carve their symbols. I am perfectly away of symbols and their meanings, but if someone is unable to separate the ideology or fantasy from the tangible physical reality, that person is very confused. And that's what troons typically are, very confused people who believe womanhood is a symbol, an archetype, that femininity is a performance, a social act no different than a stage actor at a theater, only they consider that performative act to be real, because they think everything is an act, they assume everyone is in on the act, because they project their lack of self identity onto perceived reality. The truth is it's only themselves with the void lack of self, most everyone else has one. The troon can acquire the solid self, but if they try to find it in hormone pills or hair pieces or genital mutilation, they're in for a nasty shock.
>>34723420vapid and meaningless statement>>34723425does transitioning not, by definition, change your physical reality?
>>34723515It doesn't change the reality of your sex. The only thing it can change is your appearance, and that only ever for the worse. Beauty and good health go hand in hand, and transitioning is disastrous for your health.
>>34722955I am a man with some AGP desires so I can relate. But the tranny thing is so whack. It’s fun to fantasize but at a certain point you have to accept who you are. I guarantee you that your life will become so much more difficult if you troon out. If you want to be a woman just crossdress in bed. You gotta realize that you’re never going to feel like a real woman even if you fully transition. Especially if you’re just a regular looking average dude. It’s just not worth it.
>>34723515>does transitioning not, by definition, change your physical reality?Yes. But not in the ways you would think. You don't get a vagina, you get surgically filleted cock and balls that gets inversed and turned inside out and hollowed out and grafted around into a sophisticated wounding. That's what changes as far as physical reality goes, no XX chromosomes occur, and every other physical tell for male sex lingers in your body. If you are a shallow person and could only perceive skin-deep reality then you might be able to fool yourself for a while, but when delayed maturity kicks in and you realise what you did to yourself, you're gonna need a lot of courage to continue living.
>>34723539you have a very bad theory of mind when it comes to troons
>>34723572No, he's completely correct. You're just detached from reality.
>>34723575do you get your opinions on what troons think of themselves from what they actually say about themselves or what other people say about them?
>>34723572>you have a very bad theory of mind when it comes to troonsWhat I am explicitly saying is troons typically have the broken theory of mind. This is why they either have autism or a personality disorder or both, both of those disrupt and dampen their theory of mind. To try and compensate for this, they internalize everything to the point of a scattered self identity. And if they fall into the trans pipeline, they get their entire life mangled beyond recognition. Cosmetic industry knows this and they count coin on it. And they also make for very useful political tokens to use for social warfare against opponents.
>>34723637>ContSo I think troons are retarded for wasting themselves on troon shit. That void-like lack of self and [internalizing] ability they have is being wasted and weaponized against themselves. With just a lick of self awareness, the troon could just use that mirror-like mentality to their own advantage by deliberately choosing environs or circumstances to internalize strategically for either self benefit or the benefit of others. For example if we still lived in a pre-agricultural situation, the troon wouldn't have trooned out. The troon would have went druid/shaman/sorcerer route, a recluse a hermit who dwelled outside of the tribe, but the tribe went to him for insight because the shaman/druid/mirror-man watched and internalized the entire tribe in his own head and from that rare vantage point drew patterns, abstracted insights, and made connections none could, and then their void-self becomes a rare-self. Sadly instead porn, anime, hentai, and social media just spit psychopathic pageantry into their eyes and they end up destroying themselves. Society butchers its own mystic, and that's not by coincidence that's by design. The world is evil.
>>34723690>troons are troons because of pornuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nope try again
>>34723726Trannies end up where they are because of porn, loneliness and the desire for unconditional acceptance. There's no such thing as a tranny with a healthy mindset.
>>34723425The symbolic world is language. How do you think? Through permanent symbols. How do we refer to ourselves? We refer to ourselves in a self referential manner through language. Language can never fully capture a subject so as soon as we are structured through language as a baby we lose immediacy to ourselves. When you are giving a speech and you are nervous u can say "I'm nervous" what happens? It instantly creates distance. When we are structured through language we feel lack because of this loss of immediacy. Lack is filled by desire but only temporarily. Lack is a unfillable void by design it is used to mediate desire which becomes an engine for higher level abstract movement like looking for a God or thinking that "if I finally do x it will complete me" so when q troon wants to troon without understanding that there will ALWAYS be that "last thing" before I am complete. That "last thing" is literally the gap of language. As long as you want to troon for some kind of fulfillment you will always run into imperfection because perfection is mediated by the imperfection itself. It's a concept that doesn't exist in reality. There is not enough room to fully explain the "big other" "surplus enjoyment" etcBut if u troon looking for completion ur going to find yourself in hell. To troon knowing this won't complete you, knowing it won't bring satisfaction but you do it anyways that is a TRUE ACT. In the same way hegel talks about overcoming biology you are in a sense overcoming god aka relating to the symbolic in a way where you know it's all fake but you DO IT anyways
>>34723906Language is not symbol. Speech predates written word, that's where you are making the mistake. You also forget that spoken word was not informed by symbols, it was informed by reality, it was a means to communicate to others what we saw, what we smelled, what we heard, what we want, what we intend. Monkey saw a predator, monkey speak 'predator'. Monkey did not speak a symbol. And in reality, when people see a troon, we don't say "woman" we say "Trans/tranny/troon".
>>34723906Also just because the troon indulges in brain chatter and projected imagery in the back of their eyelids to conjure rationalisations or fantasies using a mental gymnastic to convince themselves they are female doesn't make them female. We cannot call that a true act when the act is predicated on a LIE.
>>34723906Lastly, the problem is this:>How do you think? Through symbols Only a fool forgets that symbols did not come from nothing. They come from what we see in reality. They are informed first by reality, and then we make symbols to point to reality, and in our thoughts we dwell on symbols. Only a fool convinces himself that it was he who conjured the symbol on his own. That thought-world is somehow where he actually lives as an identity. This is called being stuck in Plato's Cave, and the goal is to leave that and get out of your head and meet reality in the here and now. When you do, you will see troons are greatly despairing people who are lost in their own fantasies and mutilate themselves to find happiness. That's what they appear to anyone with eyes.
>>34722955You are a victim of mind control.
>>34724215Oh really
Yes.
