I want to leave porn alone so badly. I was doing pretty good and had left it alone for about 3 weeks. I was trying something different where I don't use porn but still masturbate without it. I find that pornless orgasms basically feel like nothing and I don't like them. Makes it seem pointless to even masturbate. It seems like the only time I can orgasm and actually feel refreshed after is when using porn. However, I know porn can cause issues with your brain so I want to kick it. What am I doing wrong? Realistically what I want is to have the same strength of orgasm except without using porn. Right now I can't do that. What can I do to fix that? Also, when it comes to not using porn, even seeing fully clothed women will sometimes cause me to slip and then instantly I am watching porn again. I can do very well as long as nothing triggers me but the second I am triggered, I lose my grip. I hate this so much.
Another weak willed coomer lost to the electrotitty. Rip bro.
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>>34763003I don't think I am weak willed. Its just that sexuality has an insane hack into the human mind. Especially undersexed human minds. I feel if I were having regular sex with a woman I'd be fine mentally. The coomerism is way worse for people who have never had sex because it is their only outlet unfortunately. So now I have to masturbate to porn or even just masturbating in general will fuck you up mentally too.
>>34762894Every time you want to watch porn, pick up dumbbells instead or do some squats. That will boost your T and stop you feeling depressed for a short while.
>>34763190>I don't think I am weak willedYes you are, idiot. You said you can't even look at a pretty woman on the street without needing to immediately masturbate to porn. There are probably wild animals out there with more self-control than you>I feel if I were having regular sex with a woman I'd be fine mentallylol, lmaoif you this incapable of abstaining now, you're not going to with a partnerFixing your problem is entirely dependent on your willpower/patience. You need to abstain from masturbation long enough so that 'pornless' orgasms feel good again. Or just deal with normal orgasms until they feel better. If it feels pointless to masturbate, then just don'tI'm tired of you 'coomers' acting like your habits are remotely comparable to actual addictions. It isn't a real addiction, you literally just have nothing else going in your life. Because if you did, you'd know what a waste of time it is to sit alone in your room naked and watching 2 people fake-fucking. And what a ridiculous problem it is in the first place. All the advice around quitting is moronic as well, treating it like an actual chemical/physical dependence, guilt-tripping yourselves and acting like eunuchs. From one stupid extreme to the other.
>>34765849So what is the ideal inbetween? Obviously being a super coomer is retarded. But being a nofap prophet is retarded too right? What is the middle ground?
>>34763190I think this is pretty accurate. However I'd look to other signs. There's a difference between masturbating due to boredom, horniness, or loneliness. Sometimes you'll do a mix of them but the point is if you can reduce two of them then it becomes easier to disregard the third. Sometimes an active social life or hobby is all that it really takes to stop. At the end of the day it is a will power game and the other anon is right where you simply have to "just stop"™. You need to learn how to ignore the part of you that rationalizes it as a good idea. https://gwern.net/on-really-tryingThis is a collection of articles and ideas about putting effort into anything. The biker is a really interesting example because he gets into ignoring bodily urges. Other advice I've found that helps is that rearranging furniture and the layout of your bedroom can help. Also most thoughts only last about a minute or so and if you can learn how to avoid thinking about thoughts or being affected by them it helps. Sort of like how if someone tells you that you are in manual breathing mode the solution is to simply stop breathing and let your body resume functions normally. A similar thing happens with thoughts. They arise and fade but you can choose to not think by staring at a wall or doing something else and choosing not to fixate. That being said if you're fixated on the sensation of fixating you're probably going to just fixate on that which you'd rather avoid fixating on.Best of luck
>>34762894Try to be as strict as possible on yourself through porn blockers.
>>34765849>It isn't a real addictionHaving sexual desire is completely normal>you literally just have nothing else going in your lifeAnd you provide no better alternative.>you'd know what a waste of time it is to sit alone in your room naked and watching 2 people fake-fuckingMost ejaculations do no result pregnancies, even in the context of PIV sex. Reproduction is not typically the reason people want to have sex. Do you know how many abortions have been performed throughout history? There is actually this term called "pregnancy scare" However, I presume you wouldn't call that an unproductive activity, but masturbating alone is different? Why exactly? I'll take a wild guess and say your entire answer boils down to "it feels better"Then I can point out again that people feel good when they PMO even if it's not ideal and that you provide no better sexual outlet. Am I wrong?
