So I (22M) have always considered myself an incel (and have been proud of it up until a week ago). I never really got girls to like me besides a few failed relationships in middle school and have always complained about being mistreated by women, I stay inside mostly all day unless I need to run errands. I'm unemployed and am leeching off a few of my buddies (Still so grateful to them for helping me out, no matter how much I do not deserve it.) and have been on/off porn addiction for a couple years now. I am a rather frequent user of reddit and occasionally this site (mainly /a/ /b/ and /d/), I've tried meeting people through the /soc/ board but it never really works. I wouldn't call myself physically repulsing or ugly, but I definitely look like a "nice guy" if that makes sense. I've been depressed for several years but always thought of myself as "above" getting help for it. A few weeks ago, I had a social failure with this attractive woman at the grocery store. While trying to talk to her she kept declining giving me her number and I kept verbally pushing until she got visibly uncomfortable and moved to the next checkout line away from me. This really bothered me so I ended up running to one of my buddies about it with the "Girls just don't understand when there's nice guys right in front of them" spiel until he got fed up and called me out for being a fucking creep. We had a long conversation about this that was really eye opening for me. Took me a little bit to fully acknowledge some things but I've slowly started realizing how horrible I am to women and just people in general/How politically incorrect I am, ect. How do I stop being an incel/being a jerk to females? (and gay/trans) & How do I stop hating myself/putting myself down for this if possible?
>>34786626i bet you that cockroach couldn't ascend that wall of text you just wrote. what happened to your enter key?
>>34786626It's good you acknowledged the problem. I think trying to get female friends that you have no romantic interest in (age doesn't matter) is an important recovery step as it will ease you back into the idea that woman are people and can have positive personal qualitiesAlso /soc/ might be the single worst place to meet someone
>>34786635That’s a beetle. He can totally do it.
literally just have sex, that's itif nobody wants to have sex with you, just go by payingsex is overrated anyways, most of the times I regretted placing effort in getting it anyways
>>34786626Become a priest
>>34786674100%if you want pleasure masturbation>sexif you want connection, then sex is nicethis is just going off this response. im gonna need a moment to read your novella
>>34786674I was an incel before paying for sex and I feel even more terrible and hopeless now. Would not recommend unless you're confident it's over for you.
>>34786818I think its over for the me I am now as a loser of all I once had, but if I manage to improve what's wrong with me, starting with getting a better job it might be possible to have a gf again and I'm still holding out for that, least till im 40 i guess. But I've been getting more desperate lately and dipping my feet in the waters of the escort underworld, but i dont know what im doing...last night i went to an unnamed massage parlor that was still open at 11pm, just curious about their prices. It was just a small room with a locked metal door and camera and a gorgeous asian lady with big tits that barely spoke english opened the door and when i asked a brochure to take or something she pointed to a sign with vague prices. She said "full body massage" which might've meant sex, asked if i wanted it now, and then showed me the other girls waiting there down the hall, just as hot. I said maybe later and left, I just wanted to see what it was all about. Tell me more about your experience anon, I don't think my angel gf is coming to save me from this eventual path.
>>34786911i think you're supposed to ask if there's a happy ending to the massage
>>34786940I'm supposed to ask that upfront? I thought they're supposed to say it, when we're already in there, and I just agree I want that. I don't want to be caught soliciting by undercover cops or something. The rest is just supposed to be hinted at by the being open late and the locked room with hasty sign that mentions tips to give them. And reviews, if you pay for rubmaps or findtheseven which i don't. But I've never been to even a real massage, so I don't know how different that is. I actually tried to pay for findtheseven cuz it's cheaper, but the site was so broken it didn't even let me.
>>34786967i dont know what country you're from, but i don't think you can be arrested for asking a question. you're never gonna see these people again, so what's the bother? take your business elsewhere if they say no.i've never gotten a massage. i just had a sailor friend tell me.all that text, and you just want a handjob from an asian?
>>34786626>How do I stop being an incel/being a jerk to females?Speaking from personal experience: you keep doing what you're doing. Keep questioning your assumptions, and consider that almost everything you think you know about women and what they want may be wrong. I won't lie to you: this is likely to be a long-drawn-out and extremely uncomfortable process. It is really tough having to face the fact that your behaviour has been upsetting or even scaring people, and that this is your fault, not theirs. But you owe it other people and to yourself to keep going. It sounds like you're already headed the right way, though; you just need to keep going.
>>34786990without reading your text wall, this is good advice.
>>34786976US and no not just a handjob I've read that these places will let you actually fuck them and then shower with afterwards. On the backpage sites there's tons of ads with beautiful naked asians and vids that you imply you fuck them which is what got me thinking of seeking these parlors. But I don't know if the specific ones from those ads are real or just going to land me messages from their pimps/mob if i dare message them. My family has already been threatened by Gonzales the hitman with the heart of gold. Gotta get a burner phone first.
>>34786626Get job. Get hobby. Talk to woman. Don't sperg out. As long as you aren't Rocky Dennis it should stick eventually.
>>34787171>rocky dennisomg im dying. you must be the wingman>>34787031just listen to the guy above me. go talk to women. it's that easy. turn off your brain for 10 seconds.you've spoken to the massage therapist so you can do it.compliment the woman, ask them how their day is, ask any questions off that, then ask them if they want to go out sometime. exchange numbers.if they say no, at least you did it and have a method to approach the next one.you're only 22 so you're in a good age range. this isn't american pie. you don't have to fuck escorts to fuck a woman.
Nobody cares if you are virgin. If they do, they're probably distracting people to begin with.
>>34786626>So I (22M) have always considered myself an incel (and have been proud of it up until a week ago).thats a damn stupid thing to say.you are deep in contradiction, oftentimes spotted in these fringe reactionary ideas. You talk like a narcissist one moment, then say something someone with a highly damaged self esteem would say.you probably shouldn't even date as you are. Just work on socializing more first. You've got some personality problems to address.
>>34786635Sorry, It is actually partially broken. I mostly just forgot though. To be honest I spent like an hour writing this and correcting wording, I have no idea how I missed spacing.
>>34786651Thank you, I would probably benefit from that. Also I just heard people say it was a good place to meet up, I tried it around 3 separate times and just assumed I got unlucky.
>>34786990Thank you so much, it does sound hard but I’ll try to tough it out. I’ll get some advice from my buddies too, that might help. Sorry for the text wall, and thanks again, this seems like actually good advice :)
>>34786626Just be a voluntary celibate instead and you've won at the scam called life. Porn addiction is better than feeding the beast of Samsara by having kids.
>>34787442wrongraising kids is one the few ways to not make yourself the center of your own universeunless a person has had military experience, taken care of loved ones for a prolonged period, or something of that nature, 90% of people i meet that haven't had kids have a disability toward empathypeople can seethe and cry about it all they wantsamsara probably breeds you out as a horsefly for failing this test in life
>>34787470Empathy is not inherently valuable if hierarchies exploit it to demand obedience and sacrifice. Having children then creates more needs and suffering to serve, which feeds Samsara rather than escaping it.
>>34787500where are you on the hierarchy?
>>34787535We are all beneath death.
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