zach is a faggot normie and gets no bitches, so please refer him/xim this thread

Zach is a good lad, always refining his thoughts and sharing with them in order to help the cause. Refer to him with positivity, wagmi

How am I supposed to approach my bus-ride+bus stop crush if she's always wearing over-the-ear headphones?

>2nd date already set with my first match
>seting up my 1st date with my 2nd match
My streak of 1 date per week is going strong. Both look very promising so far.

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Anybody here have experience with speed dating? I signed up for one this weekend. I am 25 and the age range is 24-39. I dont really know what to expect or what type of women show up to these kinds of things. My type is younger cute girls but I am past the point of being so picky lol, I will keep an open mind. I am okay at talking to people but idk what subjects I should talk about considering how short it is, ill probably just default to talking about books or guitar lol. My expectations are at rock bottom I am just doing this to work on being less autistic.

bros i think i fucked up. i got a hot ass alt girl match but I put my height as 5'9 when I'm 5'7. She's 5'8. How fucked am I? Do I get the clav height boosters or just be myself and see what happens

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I'm such a sperg. A cute female worked approached me made conversation, I repeated how have you been twice, and I walked away from her.

>>34816279

This might help ya.

>How to not lock up in conversations
https://youtu.be/3ZeQJeTpVMI?is=HlmmKq3drIGauRuY

>>34815805
hand her your business card with two hands and bow until she takes it Senpai

>>34815805
Move on. Headphones are now the signal of "don't talk to me". Unless she's staring at you or giving you some looks then you're sol. I guess you can try to strike up a conversation along the lines of "we've been on the same bus for a few months, can I know your name?"

How long to wait until double text on Hinge? I wrote a closed ended message as first message. Can I double text the same day or should I wait till tomorrow?

>>34816550
Do not. Stop caring this much.

What the hell do you actually do if, for example, you're at a coffee shop and make eye contact with a girl across the room?

Should I just generate some AI pics of me with the boys for tinder if I don’t have any friends?

>>34816605
Don’t think about it, just react, make comment on the environment like “I love the smell of coffee shops, it helps me focus on work so good” and then allow the convo to flow naturally

>>34816550
I’d say go for it, if they gaf then they weren’t into you anyway

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>>34816634
Sure. If a girl ask just come clean or double down by generating more images.

>>34816513
>Headphones are now the signal of "don't talk to me". Unless she's staring at you or giving you some looks then you're sol.
That's generally my read on it, yeah.

>>34816639
I mean like... seated ALL THE WAY across the room. Am I supposed to get up and walk over? Just smile? Do nothing and hope she comes over to me? Or just avert my eyes (my usual reaction).

>>34816692
Smile, and if reciprocated, do nothing, then at home wonder why you did nothing and despair.

Boys, just got a date with a cutie on Saturday. What the FUCK do I do?

>>34816827
Cancel, get drunk, cry.

I dont drink tho.

>>34816301
God bless

>>34816692
If you’re brave enough yes you can go up to her and maybe it goes well, but leave if she seems uninterested
>wait for her to come over
Ok but she won’t

Any more YouTube videos on how to speak to people.?

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How would you fix him?

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I'm in university but I'm taking all online classes and living with my parents. I can still drive there though, its about an hour away. How do I meet girls from there?

>>34817027
"im between jobs"

>>34816513
That's it I'm not wearing earphones anymore. In fact, not wearing them yesterday might have saved me from some sperg blowing up on his phone pacing around the stop screaming "DO YOU HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU FUCKING BITCH?!", sounded like the guy might have had a breakup and let the whole town know about it lol

Well I left a dead bedroom relationship and now I've found myself a crazy semen demon who is really into me. We have sex every time we see each other and she's into all kinds of things that I've wanted for a long time.

However, she has been around the block quite a bit and isn't shy to talk about it. Typical story of hooking up with toxic bad boys one after another and doing all sorts of crazy shit with them. At least she still wants to have crazy sex with me too right? Not like the last one that preferred me as an emotional/financial support drone instead of a sex partner.

Should I hold on to this lady even though she has more red flags than a chinese communist party meeting? Or should I run away and try to find a squeaky clean inexperienced woman?

>>34816916
Well I'm generally too much of a coward to even sustain eye contact, so oh well.
And I did say "hope" for her to come over. That did work once, and I got a miserable 5 year relationship out of it.

>>34817273
Never worked for me lol

Is tinder completely worthless even as far as dating apps go?
With hinge I get maybe 3 matches a week, went on somewhere around 10 furst dates, one of which turned into a brief relationship (my first in case it's relevant)
I haven't gotten a single legitimate match on tinder despite using the same profile and sending literally 10x as many likes on there as hinge

>>34817266
You're not finding "le virgin christian girl", as long as the current one isn't cheating on you and actually like you, sounds good to me.

To co-opt and modify Napoleon, remember,
>Rejection is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily.

>>34817266
Think of it as a vacation, a temporary but pleasurable experience where every moment ought to be enjoyed.

>>34814493
she has replied she called me king
but been pretty slow to to reply and her latest message seemed like minimal effort

>>34817401
tinder has a worse male to female ratio
so your profile is invisible unless you are in the top profiles
wheras, hinge basically is setup so more men get shown to the women with a better m:f ratio
simple mathematics and the difference in mechanics means that tinder is a high volume low reward app
unless you signal: high status / high sex appeal in your first picture

'7' man here, I've had a guts full of dating women that are also 7's themselves, they are a bit full of themselves and drop you to move on to the next best thing at the drop of a hat.
Any lads here have experience with dating down? Ie 5 (not a 3)

Reminder that if you haven't looksmaxxed, you're not doing /htgwg/ properly, and you have no basis to complain about your results.
1. Decrease your body fat to 15% or less, then do a lean bulk (~300 calorie surplus). Lowering body fat should be done before the bulk as this leans out your face.
2. Get well-fitting clothes that suit you.
3. Go to a hairstylist with good reviews and find a style that suits you. Once you find a good stylist, stick with them so you get reliable results.
4. Consider whitening your teeth. Strips and toothpaste will do a decent job, but your dentist will do even better.
5. Get your teeth straightened at an orthodontist, preferably with invisalign, not braces.
6. Visit a dermatologist to get your facial skin as good as you can.
7. Experiment with facial hair and see what looks best on you.

>>34816000
Dating apps are the fucking best. So glad I don’t have to go outside to get women.

>>34816279
I’m a sperg and I would never do that. You sound short on scripts. I’ve been stocking up on scripts my whole life so my masking is indistinguishable from the words of a real normie, even if I’ve copied every phrase from somewhere else.

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Woman send me nudes, but I'm sures she's sending that shit to all other men

>>34816827
Get a haircut, wear your best fit and be prince charming.

You got to accept a woman for her emotions. If she is aggressive and nasty with you, you work with it not demand she change it. Now if she gives you bad behavior that is different. But these emotions you do not focus on them.

>>34818520
Post it on /b/ then.

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>>34816851

>>34818504
Word. Without dating apps my body count would sit at 1, not to mention all the dates I've been on.

Still, I feel like the best options are somewhere out there, far away from OLD

>>34816000
>>34818932
I used to go on a date a week for 2 months, felt bleak since nothing came out and I was simply just paying for ice cream dates

>>34819264
This is actually what half of females use dating apps for btw, just no strings attached beta bux free meals

I matched with a woman who only has chest up photos on her profile. She looks kinda fat but could just be curvy. She lives an hour away, how do I ask for body pics so I dont waste my time if shes fat?

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How do you ask a girl I like on a date? I’ve had her number for a month or so now after asking, and we have texted before, one of our conversations was like an hour long, and she responds fast, she told me she has an upcoming photographer job and none of her friends wanna practice with her

I have a massive crush on her at work, she’s leaving tomorrow but today is technically her last actual work day, we work different shifts today so I’ll see her at the clock in machine for like 10 seconds, maybe 2 minutes if I’m lucky and we get one last talk in. I don’t think I should ask for the date today, but tomorrow when she finishes her last day I’ll text her this when I clock out at 3pm tomorrow:
“Hey [Girl I like]! Congrats on officially wrapping up at [Job] today! I’ve really enjoyed getting to know you and laughing through those crazy shifts together. I’d love to take you out on a date sometime soon—maybe grab some food and help you get some photography practice in. Let me know if you’re up for it!”

Is this a good one? I’ve saved it for about a week, I want to take her on a date where we can practice her photography and then we’ll eat something afterwards

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>>34815574
So, I'm the 31 one year old with little experience who got the instagram of the Half-Japanese gym girl.

This guy: >>34800035


I'm not a virgin anymore, though it wasn't with her.

As part of the goal of 1 date a week, I approached her on instagram and gave her a opener, she replied with laughter and said "whats up", and I said I wanted to check out a fancy pizza place since she told me she loves pizza. I didn't mention that last part on the message.

This was on sunday. Till now, there's been no reply. She doesn't seem to use instagram often, but she posted a repost on her repost tab either yesterday or today morning.

I don't really know how to approach this. I would like to at least be friends with her and get to know her. I don't know if I did anything wrong.

>>34817266
> squeaky clean inexperienced lady
You don’t deserve one of those.
Stick with your semen demon, and don’t get her pregnant.

>>34819274
Yeah I hear a bunch of them use it for free meals

The reason why bad boys go so well with women when they act immature is that the love was there to begin with. When you have love that is so invested you are more willing to let things go more so than most people. So that guy who is a criminal she loved she knew him for years and it is like you punching walls in the house when your parents told you to get a life and stop playing video games but they still love you. The love has to be there anon. Not condoning wrongful actions but when you love someone you are more forgiving of them. And you say "BUT I'M A NICE GUY!" does not matter anon. The love has to be there. Otherwise why would your parents not charge you 500 dollars a month and demand your room be in damn perfect condition? See the forgiveness?

>>34819288
I think it's good up to the part where you actually call it a date.

https://youtu.be/xHkcIRZa6lo?is=HkxaE_qAr0kI3YKS

I posted this in the last thread but I feel like this is still relevant to you though probably a bit to harsh.

Either way, dating is pretty much a game of chicken. The point is to send messages to her about your intentions while also protecting yourself. These interactions and moments are to sniff out red flags and judge how the other person reacts to each others actions. You always want plausible deniability, because even if she says no, if you react in a normal and appropriate way and continue to be friends with her that still sends the message of "I have my feelings under control and I still value you as a person."

I would actually just keep it more vauge and casual but you can still put your intentions out there. I would suggest saying

"Hey (girl) Congrats on your last day on the job. I was thinking after work we could go out and celebrate somewhere before you start your new job"

Then if she says yes expand on it where you ask if she has a favorite spot and make small, low commitment plans for her photography and other activities.

I don't know how close you to are so to me I find telling hee outright for a date, specially a first one is too blunt.

>>34819264
Im >>34816000. My first match bought me ice cream eventho i said i pay for them. I later paid for the softdrinks in a café.

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Righto fellas, I decided I'm gonna step up and make an attempt for this girl, but first context:
>Meet attractive girl, she always struck up conversation with me, etc. but always platonic. I'm a Robot who can't flirt for shit so I didn't even try to steer it any other way.
>Tells me about her frustrations with this other bloke who is a bit of a sexpest but which she was talking to anyways. At this stage I assume I've now taken on the role of "The Gay Consiglieri Friend" (I'm straight and she knows this, but you know sometimes you're just an Honourary Homo)
>She later moved somewhere else but later invited me to spend NYE with her in Sydney one time (we're in Australia)
>said she could get us a room there thanks to job connections etc...
>Didn't go because I opted to spend NYE with a larger group of friends in a small beach town instead
Did I fuck up? I had (kinda still do) low self-confidence so I never even tried flirting at the time and I'm deathly afraid of the "she's def into me brah" meme, but damn I do find her beautiful and I really don't know how else to read an invitation for a 2-person getaway trip in a hotel room together.
Anyway, I now got the chance to move back to the area she's in but first I wanna build up a nice landing strip via texting, get things moving already before I'm even there, but I cannot for the life of me figure out flirting via fucking text messages, it feels so stunted, I've always been a good talker IRL just hate technology for this.

I've never had success with dating apps, I have a bc of over 10. only 2 of those were from dating apps but I greatly regretted those because they were my ugliest fucks.
I never take pictures of myself, and when I do have pictures of myself, they tend to be blurry/out of focus. I have group pics and they tend to have women/men in them. The other day I was complimented/called out a few times and a girl 10+ years (im in my 30's) my junior "shot her shot" with me for a date, but this just doesn't translate on dating apps. I've traveled to many places, done a lot of cool shit, if I were to just bite the bullet and get a photographer to take pictures of me it wouldn't capture anything but my face. They won't see me in the exotic places I've been to.
I also think writing a bunch of shit in my profile is stupid and gay and I expect women to just look at my pictures and swipe on that impression as I do. So really, can I actually pull on dating apps?

>>34819322
To add onto this, if I do everything right, and I still get ignored, what the fuck am I even supposed to do? It's these fucking apps and social media.

Apps, social media, it fails because it puts way too much initiative on the woman, when they're not capable of it. They're too passive to reply. You can't lead them, you can't take the initiative for them.

I flirted with this girl, told her jokes, she rubbed my hand. Yet, on instagram she might not even read my message. Why? Because social media is a distraction machine?

I probably should have gotten her number instead.

Who is the cuck in this scenario

I am friends with my girlfriend's ex boyfriend after she introduced us to each other. They remained friends after she broke up years ago.

>>34819701
Apps and the internet fail because of the lack of communication. This is why it's important (and why you should ditch apps) to physically talk to people because they will tell you why in other ways than with a blunt or misinterpreted response like ghosting.

You have to remember that she also has a life as well so her ignoring you because she is just busy taking a shit is just as plausible of a reason as it is her having no interest and moving on.

So much of communication is through subtle physical expressions. This is specially true in dating and flirting where it's a long game of subtlety and regulation to sniff out a person's true intentions.

Honestly what you should probably do in this scenario is try to talk to her, preferably in person and just ask her some casusl questions about the situation. But if you aren't already doing it, also talk to other women as well because stagnating and dedicating yourself to someone who doesn't feel the same to you is just going to make you desperate and go insane.

>>34819758
No one. Being a cuck is a mind set. If she's committed to you and her ex understands this and doesn't threaten your relationship then there is nothing to worrt about. There is no one being cucked.

>>34819758
None of that is true. Youve never met him,yet you claimed so to her. He was never your friend.

>>34819789
Shes leaving him to go back to the ex

>>34819784
I'd talk to her in person if it wasn't for the fact that she was only in my gym because her gym was renovating, and that finished this monday. I'd have to go to her gym or over to where she told me she works. I don't wanna act like a fucking stalker.

It'd hard for me to talk to other women for a date this week, because at my gym its mostly old women, there's a reason I noticed her. I'm gonna have to go out hunting, now.

I don't get it. Women wouldn't say no to a man, for fear of pissing him off. So they ignore him instead, which GUARANTEES he will be fucking pissed off. I'd rather she say no or that she's a lesbian, though the ideal would be bisexual.

Thankfully, I think she doesn't use Instagram too much. I think she only used it last Sunday.

>>34817266
Not my type. I need her shaped only to me

>>34819803
>>Women wouldn't say no to a man, for fear of pissing him off. So they ignore him instead, which GUARANTEES he will be fucking pissed off.
>Say no
Low chance of pissing him off but have to hear him potentially say mean things at her if he gets mad
>Ghost and block
High chance of pissing him off but zero chance of getting her feelings hurt
Easy to see why it's so common when you look at it this way

>>34819849
It's kinda fucked, isn't it? It's like it doesn't matter if it doesn't affect her, very self-centered.

She hasn't blocked me at all, we still follow each other on instagram, and her profile is private which means she deliberately opened her profile to me.

Again, I hope its just not her using Instagram.

What I'm learning, is that I'm not supposed to land the ball on a woman's court at all. Because if you have to wait on them, you'll be sitting there waiting forever, because they don't do anything.

>>34819274
Chud math.

>>34819546
guess, how many low effort male profiles exists? tons and yours is one of em. Snap some good pics of your face and of you doing fun stuff or being at an interesting place.

Been chatting with a girl on Hinge got her number and we face timed for 3 hours but I was an awkward fucking sperg even though I'm charming on text. I'm never gonna fucking make it it am I?

>Cute girl in line at the pharmacy behind me, exactly my type
>Want to try saying something
>Can think of literally nothing
>Make eye contact a few times pretending to look at the line behind her
>Leave the store without saying anything
God DAMN that was awful, how do people even do this?

>>34820656
And right as I type this she gets into the car right next to mine. I think of saying something like "hey I think you're cute" but I hesitate and then she drives off. This would be funny if it weren't so sad.

>>34815574
hey what's up guys?


Please give me your advice on the following situation. I met a girl in late June and went on a good few dates with her -- sometimes going out, other times staying in. We moved really fast and were in a committed relationship before the first week ended. I was picking up extreme interest from her, and so I spent good time vetting her against serious political and relationship goals / views of mine. She was on board for this at the time.

At our two week anniversary, I will keep the details light, but we had an awesome date from about 5pm to 1am. She slept over, and I was supposed to drop her off at her parents house in in the morning in time for a different commitment.

Unfortunately, had a family confrontation, the police were called, and she caught a charge. They then recommended that she do voluntary inpatient therapy. With strong pressure from her parents, she decided to go in. During intake, they heavily pressured her against writing down my number (saying she couldn't do so), and so I basically didn't hear from her for 10 days during this stay.

Upon coming out, a full 10 days after going in, she sent me long texts saying that she had a lot of time to reflect, and that she decided this life I've envisioned isn't for her. We spoke that weekend for about an hour 45 minutes, and I asked her if she'd be interested in continuing on a day-to-day basis, removing the expectations and timeline to engagement that she had previously been interested in. She gave a pretty emphatic yes to that.

1/2

>>34820694
We had a couple of pleasant dates following her release from inpatient therapy. I then received another intended breakup text from her on the Friday, I believe a week after she had been out of the facility. She was on stimulants, but was with a friend who was sober, so we agreed to discuss later. Late that night we spoke again for over an hour, in good spirits, and I was basically fact finding. I brought her back to my apartment on the Sunday, and basically said, hey, you're still interested in me, you have feelings for me, you wouldn't like if I found someone new -- I feel the same way. That means we should stay together. Once again, she agreed. She actually let me know during this conversation that she's diagnosd bipolar. We met during a manic episode. Now it's a depressive episode and she's having trouble committing or following up with anything. I factored this in pretty heavily and told her her health bar isn't at 100%, it's not a great time for a rash decision.

Fast forward to later in the ensuing week, and on a phone call when we were going to make plans for that day, she basically told me that she really wasn't feeling the relationship and that she wanted out. That was a week ago tomorrow. I basically said, ok, I'll take you at your word this time.

So here's where we are now:

She has some things of mine to return, and I asked her if I could continue my discussion of my religion with her, which she agreed to. She's been quite busy lately (she's rather popular and has a large family), and so I'm taking my time to schedule this. I want to reach out to her on Friday to see if we can find a time in the next 7 days from then. She hasn't texted me at all since the final breakup, except to respond about logistics, and the positive response to my request for an additional conversation about something else (religion).

2/3

>>34820703
Other than the planned discussion, I basically want to show her a really good time and just be a fun guy, maybe get more personal if things go that direction. Do you have any advice for me in this situation? Is trying to reinspire her interest a lost cause? What do you think?


TLDR: Recent girlfriend is bipolar, we met on a manic episode and she's swapped to a depressive episode. Isn't putting forth much effort to basic things like hygeine and friendships (typical of depression), but is pretty sure, external to that, that she's not interested in me. Is much more effort or strategy mistaken? Do I have an angle?


3/3

>>34820708
The only angle is do you see yourself marrying this chick. If no, gtfo of there dude. She's a violent mentally ill person. I basically go no contact with a chick after a break up or she cheats. Life's too short to spend anymore time on that.

>>34820738
I honestly have that level of interest. It doesn't make sense from the outside, but she has some strong personality traits combined with mental illness, trauma, and behavioral problems.

I have a bit of a checkered past myself, and we bonded over this kind of stuff rather extensively.

I'm moreso wondering how to reinspire interest in her when she's clearly depressed. My first thought is, well if I were sad I would want a solid, stable, loving person to be in my life a lot. Our time spent together was always ultra-wholesome. So I'm not sure what to make of the whole thing or why I crashed out so hard on her interest level.

>>34820764
Are you sure she's not trying to cut you off in an attempt to protect you from herself? Depression with bipolar sounds like that could be the case.

>>34820778
Or if not protecting you, then "punishing" herself.

>>34820778
Not particularly. Her text responses were generally a bit slow (however, I have never witnessed another girl, or possibly even another person less interested in their phone while spending time with them. She was willing to ignore it for hours at a time).

I also emphatically told her that I didn't mind the risk of spending 4-8 months together with that as a possible end result. I also very emphatically told her that I wanted to help her with bipolar disorder, in a structured way.

I hadn't especially considered this angle, but I still don't think so. She told me, in the 2nd and also the final (successful) breakup attempt "I'm just not feeling it" and "I don't want a relationship right now, which is one of the key ingredients to a successful relationship"

Pretty damning on the odds, no? I told her things (during the 2nd recommitment attempt) like, "relationships aren't based on feelings, they're based on commitment", and especially emphasized to her that she's not "feeling" doing basic things like staying clean and following up with friends. But realistically we know that direct logic is not particular effective on most women.

>>34820791
I'm not sure. I kindof doubt it? I wish that I had more insight into her motivation structure, but I didn't want to try to sell her on another extended conversation about the boons of our relationship and the reasons to stick together. I'm not a particularly good listener and I talk / write a lot, but I do try.

Thank you for reading my story and responses by the way, I genuinely appreciate it a ton.

>>34820807
Just to be clear, I did listen to her really well during the night call of the 2nd breakup attempt. Her saying things like "there are still feelings" "you're really attractive" and "I wouldn't like it if you found someone new" really gave me the encouragement to continue to push to stick things out for a bit.

And I saw / see tremendous potential with this girl. She's rather unique with an extremely strong personality (not in the sense of, 'wow, she's captivating!', but rather, she has extremely strong values and is willing to fight for them).

How does one get over a lifetime of conditioning (some of it self inflicted, some external) that you don't have a chance with a woman, or really any women at all? I'm almost 40 now, so it's been going a long time.

A girl asked what my Zodiac sign is.

>>34819461
Can't say I've ever been invited by a girl to spend new years eve together alone with just the two of us, and then also sleep in a hotel room together, just the two of us.

If the above is correct in full, then I'd say you missed out on sex! I've never had signs that obvious!

>>34820708
Only read the tldr, it sounds like you're the one being used in this situation. Stick around at your own risk.
Personally I wouldn't do it, because I've already done it before, 2 times (or 3 depending on how you look at it). And I suffered greatly for it. I realized that life is hard enough without the bpd.


>>34820883
I'm asking this myself, though I do feel like I got better at it. I take myself less seriously because I accept that I'm a fucking nigger, so I let myself dance, perform, "be myself" as they call it and "have fun", this makes me feel more human.
I have also lost a lot of weight, this is one of the main contributing factors that allowed me to do this

>>34821233
I was 708

just to clarify you've dealt with bipolar girls 2-3 times, not borderline?

can you tell me a little bit about the experience of being with them?

>>34821253
I looked up the definitions. I've had 1 true bipolar gf. And well 1 extra but she wasn't a gf, that's my mom. Then 2 more who were borderline because they didn't have mania they just started shit for no reason and said things they didn't mean.

The experience was polarizing. The good was REALLY good and the bad was REALLY bad. I'd get into a call and a perfect day would go fucking crazy and in 60 seconds I've done something wrong that I now have to repent for.
Lots of pulling away. Periods of silence, periods of good. It wasn't online only, we met 3 separate times for weeks at a time.

The line between borderline and bipolar blurs for me from the amount of experience I've had with it, but from what I understand real bipolar is characterized by periods of good and periods of bad, which my first gf 100% had. When it was bad it was really bad, when it was good it was like I had an angel on my hands. I don't know what else to add other than what I said - I'm a normal guy, but I'd get into a conversation on a nice regular morning and now I've done something wrong and the world is going to shit.
They aren't worth it. I had 1 normal gf and kept her for 5 years. It was good until she cheated.

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Ruined my chances with someone I'd consider a 10/10. Well fuck, I need to improve my texting game. I hate texting.

>>34819392
Is it silly of me if I want to ask her on a date just so I can stay out of the friend zone? We’ve talked before and I won’t be saying I love her or anything about my daydreams, but I would like her to know how I feel i guess, i know that’s just me being impatient but still

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third date ever tomorrow. hopefully don't get ghosted again this time. third time's the charm. i will win

I am 26 and a virgin and women seems to expect me to know somewhat hoe to have sex and be dominant. Should I hire a sex worker to learn how to have sex?

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Is Dave and Busters a good place to meet women? I was gonna go there tonight but I got scared I’d look like a creep going there alone and chickened out.

>>34821278
gotcha.

do you remember the period (or wavelength) for the cycle? how long were the manic and depressive episodes?

she never mistreated me, she just had way lower energy and was less responsive over text et cetera.

It seems as if social media or dating apps for meeting women is way better than cold approaching. I want to meet women in real life and give it another go, but whenever I do get a convo going, they cut it short themselves. Which makes sense, I am a stranger and I have to respect that they're busy or not expecting a convo out there.

There are either women that don't want to talk, or couples. So, I should probably just try to meet one on IG or Hinge or Tinder or something. Is cold approaching really effective or is it just a way to say I'm unattractive without sounding mean?

If it is, what are some things I can say to get things going? I can say, "Hey, I know it's so random, but you're so cute, so I wanted to introduce myself." Is there anything else? Maybe something not as strong since women might not want a guy to just say that to them off the bat (not every woman, some dig directness, but you know what I mean, it might come off as too strong for some, or am I wrong?).

Well, I hope anyone here can help me figure it out, and thank you in advance for any advice. Hope you all are well.

>>34821544
We were constantly on voice call the entire 2 years, only stopped when she was in a depressive state and even then it was only for a bit.
It's been so long that I don't remember exactly but I do remember that it was weeks. I distinctly remember having 2 weeks of good. That was fucking incredible. And subsequently had some of those times back later.

Also keep in mind, and I don't know if I can attribute this to bipolar or borderline or both, but pulling away as a means to defend yourself from being abandoned is something that they do. And at the same time, they can still want and seek attention from someone else while you're with them technically.
These girls are bad, man. They aren't for you. They aren't for anyone. You would be better off staring at a wall and dying alone, which is what I've been doing for 2 years now.

In "manic" (don't like that term) she was really sweet and happy and wanted to make many plans. In other times she was an absolute menace. Plus the pulling away.
Just don't do it man. Though I have to say I am quite intrigued about your relationship now, how it's going and why you stay in it. Are you like me when I was young? I couldn't possibly be alone, I loved so much. I really enjoyed having a mom to take care of me that I could also fuck. In reality they never really took care of me, I always had to ask for it. But I still gaslit myself into thinking there's love and I enjoyed it. When I got a normal gf, I saw what love really is. Effort. Mutual effort. And mutual desire. None of which exist in these bpdemons

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Pic rel is the cute girl working at the ice cream shop I wanna ask out. She thought I was taking a photo of the ice.

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I'm planning on going to my local elementary's back to school night to hopefully meet some single moms. I'm going with my sister and nephew so I actually have a good excuse for being there.
I'm decently good looking but with slight norwooding. Chances of success?

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whats my caliber of stacy?
>t chad

>>34821602
I'll definitely have my guard up for further bad behavior, but the distinction in this case is that she's quite well behaved. she doesn't interrupt me and was incredibly polite with breaking things off. she was even willing to talk to me for 1.75 and then 1.5 hours after the first breakup attempts. that inclines me to believe that her lack of interest is genuine and external to the mood swings.

anyway, what I wanted to do was have her come stay with me for a week or two, and just have some major structure to our lives. specifically waking up and sleeping at set times, prayer, meditation, therapy, massage, and working out, combined with productive days and peaceful relaxation. I won't push for this (I can't push for anything right now), but I really just want her to stabilize, to a degree, and then if she's not interested, very well, so be it.

the idea that maybe she broke it off because she's trying to protect me or punish herself is the sort of thing I don't like and which makes me concerned....

what do you think? yes, I want more effort from her. but with respect and commitment I can help someone through something.

I know it's probably over...

>>34820656
shes cringing at why the fuck the incel is so interested in seeing how long the line is every 30 seconds

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>>34821641
It's over brother, and all she wants from you is compliance. It's selfish. It's from a selfish place. I'll give you the best example I have:
An employer is firing me. The best case scenario is that I don't make a scene, and that I don't push for a large severance package. But the employer has already told me - you're disposed, you mean nothing to me now. Compliance is therefore not desirable, because I'm already let go of. Me being compliant will make the employer very happy! But it wouldn't bring my job back, no it won't sir.
And that's where you are with this girl - don't comply because you think complying will get her back. Comply because you understand that she's let you go, and now you want to do prayer, meditation, massage and good eating and workout on your own. For yourself. Because that's what you're gonna wanna do if you want to stay healthy brother. Once they abandon you it gets really difficult, and trust me that the reason doesn't matter too much, the result is all the same. She wants out. SHE wants out. Iterate this in your mind, it's never failed me.
SHE doesn't want me. It's not me, it's not circumstance, SHE doesn't want me. And what's a relationship if not a person wanting you? If that's not there, it's done. And it's a grievance against you. So you must not care about her in return, and comply simply because you want to make YOUR time better from now on, because she's no longer in the equation, you must stop thinking in twos. It's just you now, and that's okay, you don't need a bpdemon wearing you down.
It's inherently unfair and she'll go through life doing this to more dudes than you can count, but that's the nature of girls, and your nature is waiting and not being choosy. But there is a cutoff point, and the girl telling you she doesn't want you anymore is definitely the cutoff point. Let me know if you want to know anything else

>>34820708
I know its not easy because my ex was also diagnosed with bpd but cut it off. Its not her fault but bpd is a huge burden on a relationship. Even worse if she is wrong or not medicated. Save yourself.

>>34821438
Im rooting for you

should i use claude ai to simulate conversations with a woman, who i potentially want as a gf. no, i rarely come across women my age as all i do is work, doom scroll, and go to sleep. 5'8 skinny fat mexican chud, wagie, last girl i talked to romantically 2+ years ago

>>34821694
No you will develop attachment/ai psychosis/whatever. AI is very sycophantic. Go outside instead of doomscrolling.

>>34821695
like i go outside, i go to the grocery store or run errands. the "friends" i do go out with, are either in the same place as me or already have gfs.

im a 5'8 mex-ame chud, so i feel like my chances with a (white) women r super low bc they dont like brown as shit spics or because i am the samw height as them . should i download a dating app and airball my shots on there?

sorry, dont mean to trauma dump, reddit wont let me post shit like this w/o throat fucking me about community guidelines and shit

>>34821671
thanks. I'll probably respond more tomorrow, but that's really helpful. it just fucking sucks.

also people saying bpdemon... I don't think this is applicable bc it's bipolar. is bipolar seriously that much of a mess? can 95% seriously not mind over matter (logic over feelings) their way through life?

>>34821702
95% **of women

although, now that I'm thinking about it, how many men are able to ruthlessly follow logic instead of feelings? heck, look at me (sigh)...

>>34821696
why do browns feel entitled to our civilization and women? you can always fuck off back to your own continent

anyone else seeing way less activity on hinge? this time last year I was getting 1-2 matches a day, I'm now lucky to get that in a week

>>34817027
i hate when they ask what i do for work. just accept that i have money and move on

>>34821427

>Is it possible to avoid the friend zone?
https://youtu.be/KtkL40jRLvU?is=Q2I2aO7Tnv23m1Yb

I haven't watched this one, so I can't really comment or make more suggestions.

Still though, in most of his videos it's ok to be in the friendzone. Remember that ultimately you want a friend so being their for them will work wonders in the long run. The more mentally healthy and emotionally stable you are when it comes to these situations sends a signal to everyone that you are a safe and secure person to be with so either a bit further down the road she'll come around or someone else will see how you act and go "oh I want him! Time to buff my feathers up to get him to notice me!"

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>>34819860
>1
>>34819849
>>34819784
>>34819701
>>34819322
So I got some good news on this one.

She replied back, went "Hiii" and then said she had only seen my message now because she doesn't open instagram direct often. She then said she actually can't go, she thinks a friend is celebrating a birthday at a Sushi restaurant.

That would be alright, because I have sunday free, and I'd offer that up. But I've been using Wingman.app, paid version. It's been extremely useful. And I'm somewhat stuck.

The Romantic Interest tab about her insists hard that I shouldn't offer Sunday, because I'd lose frame and attraction with her. But the main chat is suggesting hard for me to offer Sunday to her.

I want to have 1 date a week, and I was planning on her being date 1 this week. I don't have anybody else since I haven't gone out scouting for more women yet.

I don't see what I got to lose offering Sunday to her. But I also don't wanna rush. So I don't know, I'm at a crossroads.

Do I offer her pizza on Sunday or not?

>>34817266
The problem with language is that there is always a surplus u can never have "it" there will always be a impass a gap you cannot cross. So now that u have a awesome girl to fuck you are letting incels cuck you out of it by incel lore like body count and hypergamy and other retarded gay r9k clavicular psycho shit that only people who DONT HAVE SEX care about. Ur gonna let them trick u out of position lol what ur gonna marry her nah lol don't be a faggot enjoy what u have nigga she's on your roster

>>34821703
Ruthlessly following logic literally leads to emotional breakdown because it's just a emotional women position lol. You can't escape bro. Life is pointless and that's a good thing whatever fantasy of identity you craft for yourself to create enough distance to function in society whether it's Christianity, pretending you are a trad, being logical, it's all a cope. It's all a way to create enough distance to create meaning to function. For me, since I know this I don't need to do gay shit. I know what I want. Bitches, raves, djing, drugs, get money. I am liberated because I have chosen my own identity while also knowing it will never complete me. And is paper thin. It is fun. Period. This is how u operate in the first world. Looking to God looking to incels for advice looking for someone to validate u means ur a bitch. A bitch nigga.

Alot of people don't realize that like a "goal" a end point is not the goal. It's the journey. But not in the way you think it's literally biologically psychologically structured through language and the consequence of that is that completion doesn't exist. You have a void you will NEVER fill. But the act of trying to fill an infinite void is what? It creates movement. This is part of the base structure that creates movement for higher order abstractions. Higher things on the hierarchy of needs. So you need to know there is no END there is only movement. Once u stop moving and doing things you WILL face the pointlessness of life. And that means YOU are responsible for everything that happens to you there is no GOD to help you

>>34822483
Does that guy have any videos on: >>34820883
I scrolled through a bunch, but nothing jumped out.

>>34817266
Unless she treats you badly, had sex with drug users/in exchange for drugs, has diseases, doesn't value herself, had addictions, is a single mother, there's no problem being with her. It even seems like you're enjoying her. Stay with her.

>>34822837
You have a very vauge and tall order so I'm just going to dump a bunch for ya that I think might help. One thing I will recommend is to stop trying to find videos that "pop" for you. Just watch a few, maybe prioritizing a few that seem to vaugely apply or pop. What's important though is the self reflection and seeing how you can apply it to your life and putting what you've learned in to practice to see if it works for you.

I'm also thinking about working on a new OP. Happy that my links have been added, but many of the rest are still outdated or just incel trash like "Why women deserve less" which really needs to be taken out.

I did everything right, but I STILL can't find love.
https://youtu.be/NEe1tg6iC40?is=ymwcmj1HGizq8PNB

Getting a girlfriend is NOT an achievable goal
https://youtu.be/ioa6BjuSOt4?is=gsoLDvgL6dUvdJz3

How trauma splits a soul
https://youtu.be/Mg9Tr3qLXks?is=-e8-pZBGYFMlklfx

Why you're (probably) not as ugly as you think.
https://youtu.be/7Lpv2U8GyJk?is=MXl7Jgj8JJKVR8tW

How being a victim ruined your life.
https://youtu.be/ddJP4HrKBSw?is=PiKH29q5QtAepTUZ

Social anxiety isn't something to fix
https://youtu.be/nwJCZiLW3qo?is=BgaP9tN0Jhtp6Z_8

Why your healing makes pain worse.
https://youtu.be/44HVIiR4oO4?is=K52uz5xx8VgxTGt4

How to stop self hate
https://youtu.be/7-ex2qeAkdc?is=w9XV92n-3TRV9Fmo

How to keep yourself suffering
https://youtu.be/0Cjph5CvErE?is=EkjC7Xu4eOTyNoCk

Is it to late to start your life over?
https://youtu.be/TATiapf0tF4?is=NbYKBSFfavKhz1PH

stop trying to heal your trauma
https://youtu.be/ePehwMH66-E?is=dDeQGfvKBJ4kztaI

NIHILISM: The reason your life feel hopeless
https://youtu.be/CvM9spJ8Fns?is=Pnb2Qri-lvF4bmXw

why your brain makes you give up.
https://youtu.be/unUt3qyluDQ?is=EOs0ed5_OcUMDSgN

why you don't feel good enough
https://youtu.be/oJUz-s5PhsU?is=rrG9DaL6uFft3IV-

What men NEED to survive in today's world
https://youtu.be/v9D11_K5T8c?is=gdKQQaggdJs4SARW

>>34822917
Thanks, I'll take a look. But to be more specific, I guess most would call it approach anxiety, but I don't really feel the typical anxious sensations. It's more of an extreme form of pessimism where I give up before even considering attempting to approach, because I already know it won't work out well.

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>>34822769
To add onto this, the Romantic Interest tab for her keeps insisting that, "if she's interested she'll come back later", despite that it took 3 days for her to even see my message on instagram and women usually not having any initiative in things like this.

The AI on the Romantic Interest tab just wants me to drop it, say "ok, enjoy the birthday", and drop it. It implies she showed "no interest" because she didn't offer back another schedule where she's free.

Meanwhile, the main chat is telling me to offer sunday for her and I got a feeling there's nothing wrong with offering Sunday because I really doubt she's not free.

What the fuck am I supposed to do?

>>34822483
HGGG is a good resource. I saw this one earlier today and it was eye opening

https://youtu.be/xHkcIRZa6lo?is=HyJ17Iwfz0WqD5cN

It made me realize I’m still approaching dating from a PUA mindset and focusing on the wrong skills. The idea that I could actually just talk to a woman I’m already familiar with and just saying “how about us?” and it turning out fine if she didn’t want to seemed alien for no reason because of all the Friendzone talk even more progressive coaches fall into

>>34821702
>>34821703

The issue with bipolar people is that it's a genetic thing so no matter what the most either party can do is manage and cope. Borderline people have a chance of getting fixed or at least easier better.

Either way both of them are minefields with eggshell triggers which is why most people would rather just avoid them or even think they just need to be late stage aborted.

In my personal experience I think it should be illegal for people with BPD to have or raise children.

>>34822962
That's a great video! I also posted it a few times here.

For me it was his video on displaced anger.

https://youtu.be/kqriaA0MQlo?is=7s6dapJHNZIywJTo

Once I watched this it not just realized why I hated women so much, but also why feminist are ao toxic as well. Literally when femcel feminist get angry over being told "not all men" it's because they are trying to protect their egos from the truth.

>>34819322
>>34822769
>>34822955
just a question I'm not hating, but how do u plan to do the date when u are being "so cool and funny" in dm's and then go on an actual date? an earpiece?

Also, there is probably less than 25% chance she's interested in a date, but still a chance, so dont suggest sunday, it will completely destroy any chance left.

>>34823022
By actually talking to her, lol. We spoke real nice in person for two days.

Why you think its 25% chance? And why not sunday?

>>34823031
But if you mean how to organize the date, I'd schedule the time where we meet up at the pizza parlor, I might even ask for a uber for her.

>>34823031
>she didnt "see" the message because she doesn't look at DMs much
I cant believe there are still people that believe this excuse. it is a soft let down bro, do you think she is literally blind and doesnt click the popups if she is even slightly interested?
>she thinks a friend is celebrating a birthday at a Sushi restaurant
2nd soft letdown but this one is actually more direct, saying "she thinks" means she didnt even look for sure but knows for sure to say no to your plan, not wanting to double check if she can go with you

Your App is completely right in saying you shouldn't offer Sunday, because right now you are not on her mind and suggesting another day again straight after 2 soft letdowns is just going to put you into the no-date zone. Best choice is to just play it cool and not come off as needy

>why 25%?
People have a lot of personal stuff which influences a lot of choices. If you are on her radar and at least seem cool and self-sufficient (in the dating scene) then there is always a chance. 25% is ofcourse arbitrary but put her on the back burner and give it a year or two you have quite a chance to bag her in that time. But for now set your sights on another.

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Today I saw a fat sperg catcalling a woman for five minutes at the bus stop. Like, literally whistling at her and telling her she had a fat ass. Obviously unsuccessful. I didn't get involved, but should I have?

>>34823071
You mean, I should go out with this girl for a year or two to actually have her be my girlfriend?
And I want experience, my goal is a date a week.

>>34823119
No dude im literally saying put her on the back burner and live your own life, she is just an extra if she starts showing interest again, whenever that may be

>>34816550
Whenever you feel like. The texting waiting game tit for tat is the biggest crock of horseshit that people somehow bought into. Really, you should have asked her out within the first conversation.

>>34823173
So I guess I'd have to wait forever then, because she doesn't go to my gym anymore and talking in DMs is how I'd meet her personally, since there's no other alternative.

whats the best way to rizz up an unhappily married woman who gets no attention/love from her husband?

>>34823225
Listen to her

How are people supposed to build a lifestyle were they are in constant interactions with women
I Wake up > Work> Gym > Eat
with maybe an hour or two after eating that's free to laze about

>>34823277
Weekends and replacing a day or 2 of gym with going out.

>on a kink hookup app
>match with a plapjack who says shes up for anything
>tell her my kinks
>she stops responding and unmatched me

fuck this

>>34816577
>>34816648
>>34823181
Worried for nothing she responded and we had a great date yesterday

26 year old incel. Matched a cute girl on hinge we have been talking for a week straight. She texts me good morning and we talk all day. She loves all the weird shit I do. I've never really talked to a girl before this. She likes me so much she deleted hinge. I'm so happy. She lives far but we are meeting on Saturday. I never believed it would happen

Last year, I went on this date with a girl I have history with and it went very well until the end when we kissed, because turns out, I had some kind of dental infection which caused me to have bad breath. We did meet up one more time when she sold me some of her ADHD meds, but in terms of hang out hang out, she declined.

I feel like texting her again. If she says no, would be smart to say something like "I'm pretty sure I know why you didn't want to hangout again last time, and sorry about that, I've been to the dentist since and had those problems resolved"? Or did I give her the permanent ick and I should just accept it's over?

I'm hopeful because she used to always say "you're by far the most attractive guy I've ever dated/slept with".

>>34823614
Best of luck, anon! We're all gonna make it :)

>>34823608
Happy for you.

why do i keep getting flaked on 5 fucking times in a row.

I can't find anything in the news, reddit or other websites to I'll ask here.
Is it normal that I am able to text girls on Tinder in the discovery tab?
I've only started to use Tinder recently, all I knew is that you could either swipe left or right. I thought you needed to get a match first in order to start a chat?

Date a woman who is passionate about you.

>>34823995
I got flaked on after a passionate bout of making out
I got flaked on by a girl who declared she wanted to shoot her shot at me, she asked for my number
I dont even know how to check or passion anymore.
A woman told me she loved me deeply and fucked me and then she left me
whats the fucking point

>>34824034
Passion means dedication.

>>34821716
get use to it faggot the great replacement theory is real and soon all the white women will mix with us leavign the white race to die ... faggot

>>34824195
go apply your whitening cream before youre sent back to your adobe mudhut beaner

why do fronthole mexcrements look like hairy obese cavemen? so sad seeing them try to glow up, topkek. maybe stop chugging canola oil

>>34820883
you always have a chance
it may be small
but it's there
there's some women in which you have a bigger chance
environment matters

i thought the same being so short
but, after trying and trying im finding there is a type of woman who is into me
although it's a small percentage of the population

anyway if i was 40, and felt that being with a woman was important
i would move countries, or travel for long periods of time to other environments than the one im not getting success at

>>34822917
this guys videos are good but a lot of the solution to solving trauma
is just experience good things happening to you
but he does not get to the core of how that is possible
he just assumes that one day, good things will happen to you

>went to school
>no girls ever attracted to me
>made fun of by women as a loser beta
>went to university
>no girls ever attracted to me
>girls didn't acknowledge my existence
>got part time jobs in summers
>no girls ever attracted to me
>got a full time job
>no women ever attracted to me
>moved to a big city
>no women ever attracted to me
>made online dating profiles
>no matches
>just went outside
>no women ever attracted to me
>regularly gone to gym for over 10 years and have squatted over 4 plate
>no women ever attracted to me
>now in my 30s
>no women ever attracted to me
>go on multiple holidays abroad
>no women ever attracted to me

Ok. Now what?

I am treated like total subhuman disposable shit that people want to get away from as soon as possible by everyone of every gender in every context and am too ugly to ever have any social life or get a girlfriend, or even get a date, or be taken seriously at work.

The black pill was right and I am a subhuman locked out of all social relations or anything depending on them.

>>34824398
>you always have a chance
The thing is, I do know that, logically. But in the moment that's not what I'm thinking. I just automatically react by giving up and freezing or walking away. It's not that I'm not having success, it's that I'm not even able to try.

>>34824539
drugs may help
or social pressure
try social pressure first

signing up for things in which you are forced to go because you invested money into it
some sort of matchmaking event, matchmakers, dating coaches etc
the reason things like that work is because they force you to act
even having a therapist who keeps you accountable

>>34824505
Just be confident, they can sense your desperation.

>>34821671
I guess, if you're still in this thread, and assuming memory serves and you only read my tl;dr, could you read my whole post/s?

I will steel myself for the possibility that it is done done, but at the end of the day she's agreeing to see me again. ultimately it's another shot and I want to make it a good shot.

>>34824505
have you tried working out?

>been on vacation for a week with another week and a half to go
>girl I started fucking just before I left wants a facetime date
>she's naked in bed but refuses to show me anything except her tits for a few minutes, even though we talked for an hour and a half
What the fuck, does she not remember I've literally seen her asshole? I'm considering bringing up this fact to her in the future. What's with her fucking prude behavior.

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>>34821438
my first terrible date. she was insanely unattractive and convos sucked

>>34823614
why did she delete hinge before meeting up with you?

>>34824857
She doesn't want her nudes to get screencapped for revenge porn purposes, smart girl

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>>34823449
Alright, where should I -
>long list of bullshit
Ok, where have YOU met women you have dated?

>>34825018
I could have done that the few minutes I saw her tits. She trusts me.

>>34815574
Who is this semen demon?

thoughts on dan bilzerians how to get women course? is it worth watching?

>>34823608
I've seen almost this exact sentence so many times lmao

>>34825238
whats the point of getting dating advice from the kind of guy who spent his whole life living with chad privilege? like it's ultimately just gonna boil down to "disrespect women and treat them like dirt" because thats what hes done his entire life and its worked for him. thats what i don't understand about the whole PUA/manosphere culture, it's a bunch of incels following advice from people who were never in that position.

>>34825298
>"disrespect women and treat them like dirt"
he does say that kek

>>34824986
That's a good question. Two of my friends said that's a red flag that's she probably crazy but another said it could be just she's just like not a whore just one of those girls who doesn't like dating apps and just found someone she really liked talking to and didn't feel the need to keep swiping.

Dunno which is true probably the former

>>34823608
You need to calm down. She will text when she feels like it and so should you. Texting should be kept at a minimum. Main goal is to always schedule a date.

>>34825116
pretty sure its Neekolul

>>34825298
not only that but women are only with him because he pays them fat "model" (prostitute) cheques lol. The guy is one big joke, he thinks he is succesful with women because he is surrounded by hookers and somehow convinced himself they arent with him for his money

will give a woman flowers and chocolate today, what am i in for? is it okay if i kiss her hands or cheek?

>>34821438
The real test is getting a fourth date. If that happens, then it's smooth sailing. Plus you need to at least kiss her if you haven't done so already, best case scenario bang her. Good luck soldier

>>34825750
anon is clearly talking about a new girl, not the same girl three times in a row. like its his third ever first date, you know what I mean

>>34825754
Well, my point still stands. Anyway, first date should be low effort, I always ask them out to a place right next to my apartment, like 10 minute walk away. Chances of getting a second date aren't that high in OLD era

>>34824409
In some of his other videos he does actually go in to more detail on how to get out. Obviously since he's a bit of an influencer he does have live online coaching programs where they go in to more depth or csn grt you someone to focus on you and your specific situations.

I think most of his videos though are autistic enough so you might just need to reflect more or play the algorithm and see if someone else might have some insite as well that isn't some Mansophere influencer.

Pay attention to these small signs of affection a woman gives you every so often that appear as they may give you a different idea from the overall mood you ar given usually.

Thoughts on getting a practice gf?
I just don't want to emotionally use and manipulate a woman as a 30 year old. I don't wanna waste her time, unless she were 18.

>>34816053
speed dating is probably good for you honestly. Don’t go in trying to impress everyone, just talk about whatever comes naturally and ask about stuff she seems interested in. Books and guitar are perfectly fine. That said, I get wanting a few topics ready since those conversations are short and awkward silences can eat up a lot of time.

>>34817208
d just start showing up to campus stuff even if your classes are online. Clubs, events, sports, whatever you’d actually enjoy. You’ll have a way easier time meeting girls when you keep seeing the same people. But yeah, an hour drive is a pain, so I’d pick one or two things worth going to instead of forcing yourself there constantly.

>>34820305
Bro she stayed on FaceTime with you for three hours, it probably wasn’t nearly as bad as you think. You’re better over text because you have time to think, so calls are just something you need more reps with. I’d ask her out. Still, three hours doesn’t automatically mean she’s into you, but it definitely means you didn’t completely blow it.
>>34821601
cold approaching can work, just don’t take every short conversation as proof you’re unattractive. Your opener is fine, but sometimes just saying something about what’s happening around you feels way more natural. See if she gives you something back and go from there. At the same time, some women genuinely don’t want strangers approaching them, so knowing when to leave it alone matters too.

>>34823713
I’d text her again but wouldn’t lead with the breath explanation. Just ask if she wants to hang out and see what happens. If the old date comes up, then you can casually mention you found out you had a dental problem and fixed it. She might have lost interest for some completely different reason though, so I wouldn’t assume fixing that automatically gives you another shot.

>>34825941
Everyone is practice. You should still pursue women you have an attraction to; or you will be miserable

Been talking to this girl for a while and thought something was actually building, then she randomly asks me to pay for nudes. shit like this is exactly how guys get cynical. You think she actually likes talking to you, then suddenly you realize she might've just seen you as a potential customer.

>>34825966
How did you meet this woman? This happens on dating apps frequently but in real life?

>>34825973
Instagram

>>34825023

Honestly pretty much all my real and long term relationships have been friends who I met from a long pipeline of going out. I go to anime conventions a lot, so it was going to parties, talking to someone and then combining or joining their social groups where then out of the cons hang out. Also where I met flings too by going to anime cons and partying all night.

Healthy gamer has a video about how to make friends and socialize.

Pretty much you want to make friends or even date you have to meet people from a regular event or meeting that you have little to no obligation of going to. Hence why so many people meet from bars, clubs, meet ups they regularly go to. A good way to do that is by having a productive hobby which if you need help finding or defining what a productive hobby is, I don't have a Dr K. video but I can tell you my philosophy that helped me.

>>34825966
>Been talking to this girl for a while
How long of a "while" are we talking about here?
In dating apps you should move the conversation towards meeting in person as soon as possible while actively screening for whether or not she's down to fuck.

Even outside of dating apps with girls you know irl this is ALWAYS true regardless. You should give as little as possible of your time and emotional investment away to random women. They love attention more than anything else in the universe and the vast majority of them will just use you for it while stringing you along if you allow them to.

>think she actually likes talking to you
This kind of bluepill thinking is one of the reasons you got played to begin with. Why would you enjoy chatting with females, let alone a chick that you are interested in but don't even know if she is interested back or just using you as an emotional tampon?
What interesting or useful things could you learn from talking to her that would be worth your time over doing anything else with it (like meeting a different girl who may actually be into you)?

>>34826106
>Why would you enjoy chatting with females

Anon if you don't remotely enjoy talking to someone just for the sake of it, or just to be with them then you shouldn't even remotely try to date them. Being that huper about a person's profitablity is for a job not your personal relationships. Either you like them or you don't.

>>34826106
Yeah, fair. Hard truth is I probably did get played because I let talking itself become the relationship in my head. We met on Instagram, kept talking, and because I actually enjoyed talking to her I started assuming that meant there was some mutual interest building. Then the pay for nudes thing happened and basically forced me to realize I never actually established what the fuck this was in the first place.
Where I disagree is that enjoying talking to a woman is somehow the mistake. If I don't enjoy talking to her then why the fuck would I even want to date her? Treating every conversation like it needs to provide some immediate benefit sounds miserable. The problem wasn't that I liked talking to her. The problem was that I was giving her my time and getting emotionally invested without ever making her show that she wanted anything beyond conversation.
I should've pushed things forward sooner. Flirt more obviously, ask her out, actually make my intentions known and see what she does. If she's interested, she'll give me something to work with. If she constantly avoids meeting while happily taking hours of my attention, then I have my answer.
So yeah, lesson learned. I'm not gonna become some robot who refuses to enjoy talking to women because I'm terrified of being used. I'm just not going to spend weeks building something in my imagination either. If I like a girl, I'll make that clear sooner and judge her by what she actually does instead of what I hope the conversations mean.
Still fucking sucks though. I genuinely thought I was getting to know someone who liked me, and finding out I might've just been getting warmed up for a sales pitch is a pretty brutal way to learn that lesson.

What do you guys think about following random girls from my college? If they follow back il shoot out a message in a day or 2. Anyone have success with this? Whats a good opening line

I had a personal trainer for a couple years at a gym, but eventually stopped the training about two years ago when she left the job. Of course I never considered asking her out or anything, it was a professional relationship and she had a boyfriend that she talked about a lot. We were always relatively friendly with each other and I felt a lot of the time we just talked during the sessions rather than actually trained. However, I'd never really even entertain trying to hang out with her outside of the gym. I had her number and we texted a bit after she left (she said "hey we can be friends now!" or something along those lines) but the conversations never really popped off that much and I noticed her responses were late and were getting kind of shorter. So eventually I stopped texting her and eventually even deleted her number because I was pretty sure I'd never speak to her again. There was really no negative emotion behind this to me, I never really considered her a romantic option and our friendship was pretty thin. I think I last texted her about a year and a half ago. Maybe more.

Anyway I get a text from an unknown number this week and woah, it's her. She's just been asking how I've been and what I'm doing now. Responses are slow on her end but she keeps asking questions, and well, she initiated it. Am I dumb in that this is raising my eyebrow, possible romantic interest from her wise? There was like zero reason to bring me back into her life. No mention of her BF yet and if she's still with him. (and yes, I am totally expecting the eventual MLM pitch)

>>34825949
>I’d text her again but wouldn’t lead with the breath explanation. Just ask if she wants to hang out and see what happens. If the old date comes up, then you can casually mention you found out you had a dental problem and fixed it. She might have lost interest for some completely different reason though, so I wouldn’t assume fixing that automatically gives you another shot.
Nah, it was 100% the kiss because the date was going perfectly until then. Plus, y'know, the fact we kissed. Then all of a sudden it goes to zero.

And I'm worried she'll just decline or say she's too busy, so I won't get a chance to explain myself. Granted, maybe she'll assume since it's been a long time, I've fixed the problem anyhow lol.

>>34826504

Once i heard someone say "instagram is the best dating app". she was a /soc/ whore so do with that what you will. I think the strategy is just to post "artsy" stories that signal your virtue so to speak

>>34826747
The value of IG is most people these days have it (especially girls), so it's a great vector to casually message someone. There's a reason whenever you hear stories of someone "sliding in her DMs", they're talking about IG 90% of the time. It's just a useful entry-point that allows socially acceptable, casual approaches.

>>34815574
I hate how getting laid is magnitudes easier than getting a gf. Fuck this atomized culture, I want a wife.

>>34826757

Any advice on how to convert a casual approach into a date?

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>>34819322
>>34822769
>>34822955
I spoke to this girl for two days at the gym. I found out what her dream was, and we chatted about our personal lives. I flirted with her; I told her a joke. She gave me her Instagram details, and when I went back the next day and asked her to give them to me again because I hadn’t written them down properly, she wrote them down for me. We high-fived, and when I held her hand, she gently stroked the back of my hand with her thumb.
So at the weekend on instagram I say hi, she says hi, I ask her out on Saturday to get some pizza, and then it turns out she can’t go out because she’s going to a friend’s birthday party at a sushi restaurant. That’s fine, I tell her, we can go out on Sunday.
I finish work today, log onto Instagram, and her reply is: “So, I’ll probably be up late on Saturday and won’t get a proper night’s sleep overnight.” “I might be really tired on Sunday.”

Because you know, if there's one thing that makes you really tired is eating fucking sushi.

I sent her:
"Cool, rest on Sunday then. When you got free time, let me know and we'll have pizza."

But she's not gonna let me know fucking anything.

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>>34827149
you know what to do

>>34826050
Tell us your philosophy.

>>34827682
If only. I wish I could go to her gym, its part of the same franchise as mine, but its farther away.

>>34823614
What pictures did you use for it?

I don't know why I even bother going out anymore. I'm too afraid to talk to any women. I just end up feeling worse.

She do be xute

I remember my last gf was like finding the white whale I had been hunting my whole life. I was fantasizing about not having to look elsewhere for a better woman, thinking about the times I've fucked ugly women, whored, watched porn and how this experience with her was so wonderful.
Then she left me

New college term is starting up, which means new opportunities to meet girls at the library and on the bus!

>>34827149
You'd be surprised, some women are really sensitive about getting their sleep. I mean why else would she give you her details unless a) you really blew it in the DMs or there's something in your posts or b) she just happened to meet someone new in that time. Don't fret yet, anon.

You know how you always see these alpha chads sitting in the club or bar with the ultra hot women? I wish I could sneak a microphone nearby so I can hear what exactly they say and how they talk. I'm a big learn-by-example guy. And these guys definitely aren't saying the same things I've been saying on dates or when talking to women, so it'd be nice to see how they do it.

>be 27 yo khv
>online friends get a bit pissed at me and say things ranging from shittalking to constructive criticism
>i spiral over this and it ruins my day
how the fuck am i gonna handle a breakup without shooting myself

My anime convention's coming in a few days. I want to have fun there, but I really want a cosplayer GF. They're dressed up, yeah, but they're also fans and are easy to approach because their costume is already something to talk about. My problem is that I don't really know how the convo should go. I'm going to post my results as they happen, but I really want to know NOW how a conversation should go.

Many guys hit on them. Many probably say the same exact thing to them. I want what I say to be different. I want to attract them.

I can only get better if I actually see something I can say. Advice such as "it’s how you say it" kind of helps, but not so much as I am still new to approaching so I'm going to have some nervousness doing so. I know I should approach more, but I just want to know what to say.

How should it go? What should I say exactly? What can she say exactly? I know that no convo's exact, but I want to know what to say so that I make sure I don't fuck it up. I am asking as a big favor.

Thank you in advance for reading. Hope you are all doing well.

>>34820883
It's difficult, but at this point in my life, I try to stop hesitating from meeting up with new people even if I'm a mess. If they don't like me, they don't like me. I shoot the shit with the only good friend I have where I live. I don't reject any of her friends. I don't reject any colleagues at work. I try not to be a pushover but I try not to keep people away from me either. I receive any new visit with a smile, a genuine smile, because I think there's a chance there, even if tiny. Not a fake one like I have to go through some effort.

I don't know what to do over my fear of pushing anything forward at all.
I'm already fairly old and unsuccessful (not too unsuccessful in life, I have a dead stable job which is hard to find in this god forsaken country, so I can take care of myself, but that's pretty much it). Whenever a situation arises in which I meet a woman I might be ever so slightly interested in, I have this policy of trying really hard not to give away that I might be interested. That basically means I don't ever ask anyone out, I'll try to talk to them only in a group context, never cold approach, and if I end up laughing with them, picking on them or even getting some kind of remote signal that they might be comfortable enough with me, I won't try to grab on that and push any further. Even drunk I will act like this. I'm aware at least of an instance in my life in which I've received a crystal 100% clear signal that someone was interested in me and I've shielded myself from that.
Texting is the worst, much worse than IRL, because if I get short responses that don't lead anywhere, my brain goes into "yeah I'm not even gonna try here". Even as of right now I'm having this very problem with someone I just met and it's eating me up a little. I've been ghosted twice by girls I've known and hung out for years who put me on a fucking pedestal at some point, so that hit me a bit hard.

>>34827149
Looks like you're doing good, she sounds genuine too. please don't obsess on the why she needs rest its dumb to fuck it up over this

>>34826747
I agree with this, the main appeal for women is that its usually a more honest glimpse on what to expect than a dating app profile and see if maybe you already have friends/interests in common

>>34829486
what do i do if i don't have one and i'm approaching 30? should i even worry about it at this point?

>>34829502
not being on social media could also be seen as a green flag for some desu so I wouldn't worry to much about it

On my way to a first date.
Still thinking about the other girl i had a first date last week, but she hasnt texted me since thursday. Thats the time she went to another country for a short trip with her family until tomorrow. Hope she texts me when she is back. If not i propose an activity on monday for our second date that we already planned for the coming weekend.

>>34829502
You’ll be less attractive to zoomer women who grew up with the idea that more followers = more clout = more status, but these women are fucking stupid and best to avoid them anyway

>>34827149
She is probably fucking a few Chads on the side and has several beta orbiters like you that she is stringing along for the future. This is the standard strategy for women in the current year. You are are in the back of the line and the others in front of you have priority.

>>34829811
why would he assume that? it's just your insecurities speaking here

>>34829865
Because it's the standard strategy for many women in current year, especially if she has tats and goes to the gym. How clueless are you?

>>34829889
which facts makes you think that? I'd rather be cautious in what I believe than gullible

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>>34829474
Thank you, anons.

Honestly, I get it. I also value my sleep specially on the weekends and she's a busy girl, she works a full shift, goes to the gym and studies to be a firefighter.

But its obvious she doesn't want to go out, because she doesn't want to put in the effort. It wouldn't be so bad if I couldn't meet her again because her gyn renovated so she's not going to mine again, and she barely uses Instagram. She hasn't seen my last message yet, for example.

I have no expectations on whats next except that she's probably not gonna say anything. If I felt she would keep communicating, it wouldn't feel so bad. I can chat her up into a date again.

What do I do?

>>34829996
You don't do anything. Your last message was fine. If she's interested she'll get back with you and set something up. If not, then not. Rub one out and forget about it for now.

>>34829998
I guess I got no other alternative.

I'm trying to get 1 date a week, for experience. This was gonna be the first one.

I'm gonna have to go out again.

>>34829754
Date ended. Was good but i still prefer the other girl. Do i still schedule a second date with todays girl in case the other one fails?

I'm this guy >>34819322

I just remembered there's a "Dark Goth Post Punk" party in downtown today at 9 PM. Should I go? I'm not usually into alt people, I think they take themselves too seriously, but I got nothing to do. I also don't like music that's too loud.

But I would love getting a goth girl's number if I manage to find the rare one without a septum piercing. And on the instagram story of the party they were playing Blue Monday on a past party, and I love Blue Monday.

Well anons I have officially become chad. I'm now the guy fucking multiple women. Some of whom are going on dates with other guys who have no idea. Don't fall in love with women. I don't know which side is more of blackpill, incel or chad. As chad you see the reality of the things the incels really just guess at.

And yes of course the women I am sleeping with are not 10/10 or anything, just average women. And I exaggerate by calling myself chad. It was not easy for me to get to this point like it would be for chad.

i told wingman.ai about my life and it said i should fix it before i even worry about girls. but i'm 36 i have no time to fix it so how do i meet/date women out there? I just want to have sex

How about instead of us men trying too hard to get a girl. We instead simply just be men she can quietly cuddle with and relax.

The perfect summation of many women I've met.

"Masks."

There are women who have no inner life wherever one looks for it, being nothing but masks.
That man is to be pitied who lets himself in with such ghostly, necessarily unsatisfying creatures; but
just these women are able to stimulate man's desire most intensely: he searches for their souls - and
searches on and on.

- Nietszche

The worst feeling with chasing women is after expending non-negligible time and effort, you come to see the pearls in your hands are actually clumps of sand. Nothing a foundation can be built on, nothing created - valuable or otherwise.

Revision.

After expending non-negligible time and effort chasing women for the wrong reasons, you come to see the pearls in your hands are actually clumps of sand. Nothing a foundation can be built on, nothing of substance created in exchange.