Why do women have such a visceral reaction to making the first move?
>>34825432They believe they are above the air they breatheWhich means that being rejected by a man, a subhuman, a boyim, is the worst thing that could have ever happen to her. I mean fucking imagine some subhuman fuckface thinking they can tell you no. Unbelievable.
Women are entitled and believe men should do everything while they barely make an effort. That's basically all it is, entitlement.
>>34825432More than anything else, women are attracted to confidence. If you don't have the the confidence to make the first move, they won't feel any attraction to you. So you have to be given the opportunity to show that you're confident, otherwise they have no way of knowing if you're interesting or not.
>>34825468>have to be given the opportunityOh so an explicit humiliation ritual. Wow.
>>34825432Because a lot of modern women are entitled brats with no personality and no authenticity. I've never had this problem as a man every single woman I ever dated made the first move on me. This is because I didn't use dating apps, dating apps are where shallow and conceited women go to roost
>>34825432Yea majority of women suck and have shitty personalities their a waste of time with nothing to offer but pussy which you can pay for
>>34825432Women not approaching and so forth is not the result of some sort of social stigma or gender roles...it is simply the market dynamics that result from men having a higher sex drive than women.
Dating apps are fundamentally in opposition to human nature. Giving women the first move means there'll be a lot less activity, but it could mean far less wasted time, far fewer wasted dates, etc. But profit DEMANDS people waste their time and go on pointless dates. So they insist more activity means the app is better.
>>34825432In real life, women can try to approach men but because they can’t even decide what they want for dinner they’ll pick some big dicked caveman that will abuse them or possibly kill them. They rely on men to vet themselves.
>>34825468What if I’m also attracted to confidence lol. I’ve always been the one to make the first move but it always feels exhausting being the one doing everything.
>>34826034ThisDating app stocks are stagnating because they are officially struggling with "user engagement" aka people wasting hours just swiping. People lining up their dates and then calling it quits is terribel for them, people finding relationships through the app and eactivating their accounts after is the ultimate desaster. Apps make their money by keeping you away from what you are seeking while making it appear that its just around the corner from next swipe. Hint: That is just an illusion to keep you swiping.
I'm surprised they didn't make it so men pay an extra fee for each message sent.
>>34825432It's a cultural thing. By approaching, men demonstrate their confidence and willingness to pursue women. Women, by approaching men, look desperate or slutty. Therefore, on Bumble women either avoided messaging a guy first or put as little effort as possible in the first messageIn fact, Opening Moves made it possible for guys to message first, so the "women message first" schtick Bumble advertised was gone for a long time
>>34825438>a boyimFucking kek
It was fucking pointless they all just would say "hi" anyway. Its one of the things that really made my hatred for women skyrocket. They are all truly brainless NPCs
>>34825432Women are conditioned from birth to be passive. This conditioning takes the form of mental and at times physical violence.And ISTR a post where Bumble said 60% of responding women wanted men to do the first contact. It should go without saying that 60% is not 100%.
>>34825432>>34825475>>34825468>>34825460OH NO
For the record, the article says that women stopped messaging first because men rarely replied back. The article also pointed out that this is generally how it goes for men on dating apps.>>34826187No, you're right, there was extra money you can pay to "send a compliment". I think you didn't even have to match first to send the message.
>>34825432because they're shamed for it by other women from the time puberty starts
>>34825432Gender roles. People talk about toxic masculinity (traditionally masculine traits that aren't good) but won't mention toxic femininity (traditionally feminine traits that aren't good). Being meek and quiet and thinking you shouldn't speak or make yourself known are feminine traits that such ass, and which are a psychological barrier to approach someone else romantically.
>>34825468Are you a woman
>>34825432I've made the first move quite a few times and men are never really that receptive, seem offended or don't reciprocate the same level of effort/interest back. I just don't date anymore
>>34825438this but unironically
>>34825432Because gender is a societal construct, and that "woman" is actually just an extremely coddled homosexual man with physical dimorphic traits.
>>34829320Not every man is going to be receptive of course. This is what men deal with every time they approach a woman. How many times out of ten do you think they succeed?
>>34826095You shouldn't have to do everything, that's the problem. It's expected that you'll be the one to initiate direct communication/interest, that you'll take the initiative on asking them out, planning the first date or two, probably paying, but if they're not making it easy for you, then they're either lazy or not that interested, and if they don't start to reciprocate effort after a few dates, offer to pay, plan something, escalate things, then you're wasting your time and energy on someone who's just not that into you. So you can like confidence and go for women that show you that they're interested in you, nothing wrong with that. If you're not getting back clear effort and signs that they are into you, move on.
I don't think this is either a social issue or news, it's some jewish company trying to make money and we should just ignore them.
>>34825432me, personally, ive always been a bigger girl and i know not every guy is into that so ive always struggled flirting and stuff because i think its genuinely impossible for a guy to find me attractive
>>34829786Have you tried not being fat?
>>34829801noo anon. i havent tried that yet. let me get on it!
>>34829812Ok, why are you still fat then? Obviously it affects your life negatively.
>>34826672Does she have numbers to back her statement?>>34826948They just say "men are at fault for me being meek and weak and not making the first move uwu".
>>34825438/thread
>>34829812with all the GLP drugs these days there's literally no excuse to be fat anymore. But telling a fatty to put effort into anything other than going to dunkin donuts for the 3rd time in a day is next to impossible
>>34825468Moron, women are attracted to attractive dudes, who are generally confident because they are attractive.
>>34825432The hypocrisy of wanting all the benefits of equality with none of the drawbacksA tale as old as time
>>34825468But don't be too confident or you're violating her consentBasically be super hot or get accused lelIt's a no win situation
>>34830514This, they are also extroverted and have social status which makes approaching significantly easier, it's almost natural for them including the small talk and the slow escalation or flirting. They have experience since little which they accumulate. They are also generally devoid of traumas, sadness and depressions, which women can sense and which gives them the ick.
>>34825432The decline of men approaching women functions like a political shock even when nobody frames it that way.It reshapes family formation. Fewer approaches mean fewer relationships, later marriages, lower birth rates, and accelerating demographic decline. That feeds directly into labor shortages, pension stress, immigration politics, and generational conflict. Governments can pass incentives but they cannot legislate attraction or courage.Second, it polarizes gender politics. Many women interpret non-approach as disinterest or resentment while many men experience it as rational risk avoidance shaped by social sanction, economic precarity, and fear of misreading norms. Each side builds narratives about the other and political movements harvest those grievances.Third, it weakens informal social trust. Approaching a stranger used to be a low-level civic act that trained people to tolerate rejection, ambiguity, and difference. When that disappears, people retreat into apps, algorithms, and identity-filtered spaces which harden group boundaries and reduce empathy.Fourth, it shifts power to platforms and institutions. Dating apps, HR departments, and legal frameworks mediate intimacy that used to be negotiated face to face. That concentrates cultural authority in systems optimized for liability management and profit, not human bonding.Finally, it produces downstream radicalization. Large populations of unattached men historically correlate with instability, withdrawal, or extremist politics. Most do not become violent but many disengage from civic life, work, and optimism itself which is politically corrosive.
Look I'm already here taking the risk and messaging some girl I met before.You know what I get? short shit. Thanks. Cool. No problem. That tells me you're not interested, woman. That doesn't tell me "push harder". So I'm not gonna push harder, comprende?
>>34831152Sounds good to me.t. accelerationist
>>34825432More like why do YOU have such a visceral reaction to it? Just admit you're scared of women OP and stop making this shitty thread.
>>34825538>every single woman I ever dated made the first move on me.In all honesty and seriousness: How?Just how?I'm willing to bet:>you're wealthy or at least doing pretty good financially.>you adhere to European/Western beauty standards/handsome, no homo.>you've been really good with women at a young age already.>you're funny and very social.
>>34825432Because they're cowards and their cowardice is enabled and even rewarded by society
>>34829579So you sayin these trannies tuck their wiener inside out and stick their gonads up in there so they become ovaries?I don't know what type of ass backwards middle eastern rag head genie religion shit that is but it don't sound like Jesus would approveYou'd probably be offended by the Family Guy clip where Peter washes his hands then dries them off on some guy's turbanbefore Louis scolds him, he proceeds to dry his hands further with an air dryer affixed to another turbanThats what turbans are for and they make good toilet paperNow put that in your pipe and smoke it
But men aren't approaching...
>>34833741>chad is not approaching
>>34827433not the anon you asked, but:women don't know what they want.
>>34833741it's a mess.
>>34833741Don’t give this whore attention. She was purposely jiggling those tits while farming for clicks.
>>34825468f you can seethe and be passive aggressive about it all you want but this is the truth. if men selected for confidence to the same degree women do, it might be different, but they don't and then simply complain about the results of their own actions, which is the most male thing to do.
>>34825432I'll make the first move if I'm not willing to leave it to chance that he talks to me. Your problem is that you're not hot.Some guys absolutely hate it and will throw a fit and call you a whore if you approach like it's not ladylike or whatever. Not all men want the same thing.
>>34834565>will throw a fit and call you a whore if you approachname 50 times this happened
>>34825438Its this. Whoever makes the first move is in the weaker position because they reveal their hand while risking rejection. Being asked out puts you in the position of power and allows you to set the pace.
>>34834565>Some guys absolutely hate it and will throw a fit and call you a whore if you approachr/thathappened
>>34831249That is beyond exhausting.When I was using dating apps, I kept having long conversations with women who:1- Were so passive in their speech they would make me drop them asap, like waiting for me to pick their interest instead of telling me something themselves like a fucking quiz.2- Kept talking to me for weeks, but not meeting in person... What is the fucking point? Are you just looking for attention?It only make me respect them even less.
>>34826672>For the record, the article says that women stopped messaging first because men rarely replied back. The article also pointed out that this is generally how it goes for men on dating apps.doubt
>>34836575that might be true, they matched with chad but he had other options
>>34833741Didn't women push against this in the 2010s? Now men see approaching woman as a risk to be avoided.
>>34837057Different women want different things. That's why you should disregard advice, define your own values, and move through life according to those values in search of someone likeminded.
>>34825438>boyim
>>34825468>confidence is attractive Even if I'm ugly?
>>34837076True but you cannot deny the impact this movement has had on men as a whole. It's just another way the modern world has damaged the traditonal social structures that we took for granted.
>>34826187Some apps make you pay to send messages. They'll give you like two hand me outs the rest are outta pocket lol
>>34837091You could just as easily argue that it's taken the pressure off of young awkward anxious men to run around and cold approach themselves into an early grave, taking untold amounts of psychic damage just to be told "It's a numbers game, bro, just keep approaching by the hundreds, eventually someone will say yes"
I don't care why but if they want a matriarchy they should make the first move. Cunts.
>>34837122They want the in between cake-and-eat-it-too arrangement they have now because it benefits them.
>>34836396All I need personally is a question.A fucking question, that's it. Towards me. How am I doing? Where do I work at? How much do I earn? What do I think about horse cocks. I can't even get a "will you fuck off?"I'd be less annoyed if I didn't know her much, but she was grabbing me like I was her property the day I met her. I bet she took these pictures to push the idea she wasn't single to her followers. So fucking annoying.
>>34825432I skimmed the article. Here's the tl;dr:>Basically, it gave women a bit more of a male experience than they’re used to.That's it. Women are over-entitled.
>>34825432>Why do women have such a visceral reaction to making the first move?idk I've literally only ever been hit on. it gets kind of uncomfortable though when most girls who do it are fat, ugly, or mentally ill.don't worry about attention other guys are getting most of it sucks
>>34825432Like a few other anons said, this is about what capital wants, not women. Women having to initiate interactions meant less interactions and less false positives, desirable properties to users who have hearts and feelings but undesirable properties to the corporation running it. The misery mill literally just wasn't milling enough misery.The """birth rate crisis""" is so fucking funny because the billionaire faggots who created the problem are the ones most worried about it.
chad only
>>34833741Going up to a woman and immediately asking for their contact is not the way to do it. You are supposed to comment on the situation, form a connection, then compliment her looks, then ask for her contact.
>>34831528Is this Anon actually right?
>>34825432>visceralYou don't know what this word means.
>>34840797>birth rate crisisIs racists bullshit.
