They've been ideologically subverted by feminism, a form of cultural marxism, meant to destroy the nuclear family and eventually get children to view the state as the father.

>>34828354
That's deep

>>34828227
Every woman I know wants one. The question for me is why I'm not like that as a man. I do know guys like that

>>34828354
Isn't that sad?.. Like having no personal thoughts in most things

>>34828227
they only benefit men
woman are biologically programmed to funnel resources from men
before, relationships were the easiest and fastest way to do it
now society syphons resources to women without the need to trade sex for it
(sex is biologiclly seen as expensive despite it logically not being the case)

>>34828227
They want relationship just not with you.

>>34828227
4chan incels:
>reee why don't women want relationships?
also 4chan incels:
>reee why does every woman have a boyfriend?

>>34828227
They do want relationships just not with you. They want chad.
>>34828354
Sub5 cope.

>>34828227
This is something I've thought about for a while, I think it all comes down to men being too readily available. When there's too much of something, its value plummets.
We've put ourselves in a self-feeding checkmate situation:
Technology and social media makes it possible to chat with many women at once, all guys start doing it in hopes 1 of 100 will become gf. Women overwhelmed, sick of men in their dms, become more picky, start resenting men. Men change strategy with even more aggressive approaches, women become even less responsive etc. etc. The tables become more unbalanced with time, in other words.

I see no way out of this honestly, unless social media suddenly turned off. Even then, it'll take a good 10 years minimum for the effects to catch up.

>>34829923
>I think it all comes down to men being too readily available.
>When there's too much of something, its value plummets.
this is too real desu

>in hopes 1 of 100 will become gf
eh so far it's 10,000 for me

>>34829923
>in hopes 1 of 100 will become gf
Literally have given up on even having the desire or passion to even be a part of ANY relationship anymore.
I envy your hope.

>>34829952
With the current trends it'll be 1 in 1,000,000 soon.

Social media is never going away, but if a significant portion of men stopped using it permanently, there will be change. That will never happen though.

I got rid of my social media, and I'm sure many of you have too, but those are just tiny drops in the bucket.
For now the best thing to have are irl friends and enjoy life however you can.

Good luck anon

>>34828227
They want a relationship with a high status male. The high status male doesn't want them. Birth rate go down.

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>>34829310
only faggots and feminists use the term incel. Stop guzzling jizz out of black cock, you'll be able to think more clearly and be more based.

>>34830036
nta bzr yeah I too can be "thinking clear" like the cuck porn addicted freaks who think of Chads dick all day and wear their bitchlessness like a badge of honour. Kys

>>34829975
>Good luck anon
Thanks :(

>>34828227
>why would she want?
>be good looking in her woman.
>Have a good job or well off from her parents.
>Have at least few guys lined up when you need sex or company
>Just call that guy from HS
>Just call that 45yold coworker you had a thing with
>Just call your ex from college
>relationship LUL

>>34828227
Because for the first time in virtually all of human history, women do not need men to survive.
Because women do not need men to survive, young women (18-25) do not spend their prime years looking for a marriage partner to live.
Most women do not actually like most men - and if women do not need men - young women select the hottest, best guys to fuck.

Only when women get to the biological clock ticking years (26-34) do they start thinking about scrambling for a marriage partner if they ever want kids, a marriage, or a family - which their body is screaming for them to have.

This is why most young men don't have a woman's desire, but those same young men end up married as they get older - not necessarily because the woman DESIRES them - but because she cannot secure commitment from the men she actually desires - and needs a man to fulfill her desire for marriage.

This is also why divorce rates are 80% female led (90% if college educated) because the woman never desired the man she was marrying in the first place.

Pretty fucked up world, and it's impossible to change because social media and modern technology make it possible for a young woman to have a completely ballooned ego.

lol, what's in it for women? we can work ourselves, we don't need a provider. we can make our own choices, and we can decide for ourselves whether we want to have a baby or not, we could even get a donor if we really want a child or just have sex with the dozens of men that are sex starved. literally, why would a woman need a man? we have everything we want, a man is just a liability lol

>>34830135
>which their body is screaming for them to have

lol so clueless, many women don't care about babies, we are more than our wombs. we get fulfillment from plenty of other things in life that is not a burden on us.

>>34830141
I'm not clueless.
The majority of women absolutely do want husbands and want a family.
This comes from the multitudes of women I personally know.

Just because there is a 20% exception to this rule (you) does not mean most women don't want it.

>>34830135
>virgin essay

>>34830150
No it's not.
There is not a single point in my "essay" where I am wrong.

In the past, women HAD to use their prime years to secure a marriage partner TO SURVIVE.
Women simply do not have to do that anymore.

>>34830155
neither do men. world spin shit change.
and your wrong because (you) pull shit out from your ass. how many long relationships you had? haw much sex you have?
pro tip not enough to write essay about and think you figure out how watch work.
Chill son.

>>34830170
The vast majority of men have a deep seated biological drive to have a woman.
Men cannot get rid of this drive.
Men can either placate the drive (porn and drugs), kill themselves, or become the man that the modern woman desires.

>and your wrong because (you) pull shit out from your ass
I have not pulled a single thing from my ass.
Everything I have said is completely backed by a plethora of statistics and agreed professional statements.

>how many long relationships you had? haw much sex you have?
3 long relationships and currently have a gf.

What's with the ad hominem attacks?
Debate the data.

>>34830148
lol you are obviously biased, and not in touch with reality

>>34830205
I am not biased at all.
All data agrees with me, and I am not biased.

Most women want a family, a husband, and a marriage.
Just because 20% don't, doesn't mean 80% don't.

You're in the minority.

>>34830215
>Just because 20% don't, doesn't mean 80% don't.
If you know which one you are, make it known when you start dating so one person isnt thinking you guys are going to spend eternity together while the other is just there for a quick fuck and suck.

>>34830215
dream on lmao you are 100% biased and not in touch with reality

>>34830215
Stop responding to troll threads.

>>34830135
>This is also why divorce rates are 80% female led (90% if college educated) because the woman never desired the man she was marrying in the first place.
This is fucking eye opening O_O

>>34830398
How the fuck do I know for sure that a girl actually desires me and isn't just settling for me? I don't wanna be a fucking divorce statistic.

>>34828227
why dont you u ask them? they wont tell the truth obv., but could be entertaining.

>>34830420
about as entertaining as watching a rat eat some cheese

>>34830401
You will know. If she cries when you talk trash about yourself because she actually cares about you (even just saying your chudcoded) .. she probably really has strong feelings for you.

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>>34830431
That is quite entertaining though. And cute, so its an apt comparison. Was that what you were trying to say?

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>>34830135

The economy is too bad for it to be worthwhile.
Not to blackpill you, but the real purpose of a romantic relationship is financial stability. I'm not trad, I believe both can work and rake in the money, but ultimately men are performing far worse in both school and their careers. They're just not worth being with anymore.

Imagine you live with a guy who needs you to survive. On top of that he's constantly horny when you're not, and you're constantly cleaning up after him in the home even though you're doing most of the work to pay the bills. Dating men very quickly becomes a misery inducing, incestuous mother son relationship.

>>34830713
>and you're constantly cleaning up after him in the home
speak for yourself nigger I don't expect anybody to clean up my shit

because men are liabilities

>>34828227
Its men who don't want them get it right.

its because im scared dude

>>34830882
I'm a man. I want a relationship. Where the fuck are the women, dude? Huh? Where are they?

>>34828227
Modern day dating apps and the fact women date up not down, and they gaslight gatekeep girlboss themselves into all being "10s" despite not being

>>34830997
>gaslight gatekeep girlboss
The three fatal G's

>>34830993
Same, but most men that are older and still single are usually mentally fucked up.

>>34831237
Hey I'm 40 and and single
I take offense to that lol

>>34830141
Holy reddit-laden rhetoric.
>Uhhhh yikes women are not crotch-goblin making machines for you okay? Let's unpack this.

>>34830993
I haven't had a white guy approach me forever. Yet blacks and Indians do all the time
Why are you scared of having sex with white women

>>34831651
NTA.
I'm looking for marriage material, and the white women I meet are anything but.

>>34830268
+1 on that
attention whores don't deserve attention, only defenestration

One failed relationship and you consider us “ruined” so why shouldn’t we enter them less?

>>34831741
>because all people of a particular gender are the same
Retard

>>34831657
How do you know whether she’s wife material if you didn’t even talk to her

>>34831741
this lol men are such faggots

>>34831741
>>34832647
>the three dudes I met on 4chan think I'm damaged goods cause I'm not a virgin
>well then that must mean that all men across the entire planet must think this way

>>34832768
That's every male on the internet, hon.

>>34832776
That's called overgeneralization, sweetie.

>>34832776
Same thing as if I was to say every woman will only date a men over 6ft, but at least that is sort of true because of hypergamy.

Also, if this truly was the case, then how come I'm into milfs?

>>34828227
I realized doing things by myself is more fun 90% of the time, and the 10% can be substituted with low investment online friends. I like being able to do stuff on my schedule. Every relationship has sucked my energy and individuality out, and drained passion for my hobbies. I do miss cuddling

>>34832849
It's called males who are truthful and males who lie, xer.
>>34832969
As if you already don't lol.

>>34833034
>Every relationship has sucked my energy and individuality out, and drained passion for my hobbies.
The fuck kind of shit relationships have you been in? Do people really suck at picking the right partners this badly? Wow, that's just sad.

>>34833051
I think it's my problem, doesn't matter who I pick. it's just how it is, I regret not figuring it out sooner and wasting people's time

>>34832539
Lived experience + statistics.

>>34830180
>placate the drive (porn and drugs)
NTA, but this is me right now. Finally dated around last year, and what's out there is so disappointing that spending the rest of my life jorkin it doesn't seem so bad.

>>34828227
That's a bit of a reach but why someone wojelnt want to have a relationship probably cz they don't want kids full stop and can't be bothered to get betabuxx either

because men are so ugly, i think maybe 1 out of 10 men are good looking, the majority is ugly and stinks

It really is just that most people out there are incapable of adding anything to another person's life. Not just men of course, most women are unattractive, and more of a burden than anything else. But men too. Men especially need to wake up and realize that things have changed. Women are still given a pass on their flaws because they are capable of bearing children. If men want to continue the human race they need to offer more. Maybe you can't make more money, but you can ditch the substances, laziness, and the need to be taken care of like a child. Just having your shit together and being in good shape puts you far above a lot of guys out there. And then not needing a second mommy to do your dishes and laundry. Why would a woman want to do that for you if she is not dependent on you in some way?

I've found that women are really impressed if a man just plans dates. Choose what you are doing and take care of everything. Apparently most guys out there aren't even doing that.

Yes men didn't need to do this shit in the past and now it feels a bit demeaning to start, but we are literally going extinct right now. If you aren't going to overthrow the world order and put women back in their old place, you better adapt.

For context I was a forever alone incel who finally got on the apps. I've met women pretty easily and literally all of them have wanted a serious relationship a little too fast for me. I don't think it's hard to find.

>>34834072
>For context I was a forever alone incel who finally got on the apps. I've met women pretty easily and literally all of them have wanted a serious relationship a little too fast for me. I don't think it's hard to find.
Sounds like the "had their fun and is ready to settle down with a gentleman" type.

>>34828227
I legitimately have no libido and a few of my female friends are the same but we are all autistic and I've read that autism can skew your sexuality.

>>34828227
>Why do women not want relationships? I don't understand
They do, but you need to find the ones that do. The ones that don't will always be in your face because they want attention and that's all. If you are fishing for women on dating apps, e-girl circles, fringe social media circles, you won't find her. Especially if you have conditioned yourself to jack off to women like those
(webms of tiktok sluts, .mp4s of OF whores, various images of lewd selfies from narcissistic cunts).

Understand this and get it in your head:
For women, attention and desire from a man is comparable to an orgasm emotionally speaking.

The female equivalent of a male pump & dumper is the attention whore, the camwhore, the e-slut, the social media queen, the girls who have your ear the ones barking online and maintain such a high social media presence that you bothered to save videos or images of them it is those women who are the enemy. They never wanted relationships only attention.
When you encounter one in person, do not flirt with them don't fuck them don't date them and never marry them. Those women were always known to be "for the streets" aka to be left to rot alone, an did she dares to try to get love, she is to be fucked and dumped like the slut she is.

Real honest to goodness women who want a relationship and a family and marriage, they're out there. But they're not online OP, they don't farm attention online from lonely men because they had fathers who loved them. Go find them

>>34835273
There's a lot out there but I've met some that have been wild for me too.

And yes honestly why would a young hot girl want to settle down in this day and age? They easily get high paying jobs, they easily get laid by chads, they are having a blast. That's sort of my point. We need to stop kidding ourselves that women should be content with marrying an average guy. Is it better for civilization? yes it is, but people are selfish they don't give a damn about civilization. So again what are we going to do about it. You either need to become exceptional to give these girls a reason to settle down, or somehow turn back the clock 50 years.

>>34835300
Libido is something that can and should be developed. If you let it die that's your fault. Read books about sex. like come as you are

>>34835307
They're not having a blast, their anxiety and body dysmorphia rates are at an all time high, female depression is the highest in all recorded history and female admission into psych wards are at an unprecedented level.

People assume women are having a blast because women wear social make up, they procure only positive imagery of their lives to post on social media. They FAKE the image of a life they don't actually have, and they do this to try to make themselves seem stable and secure mostly to compete with other women. But truth is, the women are at the lowest they have ever been socially speaking in modern history. They're drugged up and miserable

>>34835315
Why though? I get having sex to make babies but I don't see the appeal for fun. It seems gross and a bit demeaning for both parties. I don't need to think about developing a libido unless I meet a guy I really like and want to start a family.

>>34835320
Well I was specifically talking about young attractive women, the ones that are currently having their fun. And of course that lifestyle doesn't lead to health or long term happiness. But it's fun at the time. They burn out quickly and become the women that are 'finally ready to settle down' that everyone is scared of. After they have let substances and toxic men have their best years, and that makes them miserable. But they were still having a blast at the time. Otherwise they wouldn't all be doing that.

>>34835333
It's gross to you because of your mindset and your neglect of your sexual self. If you don't want to be a sexual person then you don't have to be, but you are just missing out on a part of the human experience. And no one wants to be in a relationship with someone who thinks sex is not fun and only for making babies. That would be depressing as hell.

>>34835340
I've partied with those chicks anon, what you see on their socials isn't what they actually live like 6 days out of the week. They're boring and vapid, often remarkably unintelligent, have domestic issues at home and they're complete trainwrecks. They know full well that whenever they get a man, she is only a hole and she won't get her big day or the diamond ring or able to pose in the mirror flaunting a pregnant stomach with the father in the picture with a smile on their face. She isn't for that life and she hates it

>>34835344
Weirdo trying to talk women into doing shit they don't want, take your kama sutra sex predator book and cram it up your creepy ass

>>34835358
I literally said if she isn't interested then she doesn't need to do it.

>>34829310
having =/= wanting

>>34835366
Yeah except you added a bunch of other gaslighting shaming bullshit as well "no one wants to be in a relationship with" blah blah. You honed in on her desire for building connection first and then levied it against her to accept the weird shit you're pushing. Take a hint and move on

>>34828354
/thread

>>34835344
>>34835358
>>34835366
>>34835376
Actually I don't mind, he was only just explaining but I still don't understand why anyone would want to do it or what they get out of it.

>>34830135
>Most women do not actually like most men
It's funny how much men live in denial of this fact but it's more apparent than ever
If an ugly woman smiles at you or hits on you as a man, at worst you're a bit grossed out but you keep it rolling, more likely than not though you're a bit flattered and get a bit of an ego hit.
With women, if an ugly guy hits on them it ruins their entire day, becomes the subject of social media posts and reels, becomes the topic of dumb bitch gossip at the next dumb bitch brunch "Oh my gawd, this guy, he was sooo ugly, and he like, came up to me and was like smiling, like ewww..." Sure they get an ego boost but it comes from a place of toxic pride, not healthy self esteem.
White sharia might just be necessary. We also need to get rid of men who act like horny dogs (so a lot of brown men in general)

>>34835376
Nobody uses 'gaslighting' correctly. Nothing I said could remotely be considered gaslighting. I guess there are men out there who are also asexual so I shouldn't have said nobody would want that.

>>34828227
Because in their heads they can always find someone better.

>>34835388
Fine if you want to listen to him go ahead just calling out blatant boundary pushing.

People enjoy sex because two people are stimulating each other, physically, hormonally, emotionally, mentally. That's the most basic explanation there is if you cut away all the poetry. When human #1 gets to control all of those reactions in human #2, and at the same time human #2 is controlling the reactions of human #1, it creates what people call as a "pair bond". It bonds the two people in a shared experience that is reciprocated both ways.

Some say it's the closest two humans can ever be connected. But in reality it's not, there's things that bring a man and a woman even closer and it's usually the wedding day or when the man is holding his woman's hand as she screams and pushes out their first child and they both witness life itself open its eyes for the first time and the baby has the resemblance of both mom and dad. Sometimes it can even be a death, death brings man and woman closer than sex, going through a great loss together and holding each other up and supporting each other through hell.
Sex is important to keep the connection going, but it's not the most important aspect of love. Some people dislike it precisely because it is so demanding for the human senses, it's common for someone with sensory issues like autism or whatever to not see the appeal due to the body anxiety it can create

>>34830150
lol go back to your 90s romcoms can't believe 40year olds still use this site

>>34835358
lol this made me laugh out loud for some reason

>take your kama sutra sex predator book and cram it up your creepy ass
kek

>>34835307
Rather be alone than settled for.

>>34835307
>Is it better for civilization? yes it is
Not really, no. We are no lonegr subsistence farmers, and those times will not return. On top, the bottom 20% of men who can't get none are also often just whiny , low T betas who may cry and bitch on the internet, who will be as submissive, demure and harmless as a man can possibly be IRL. Those "men" will never ever act against authority, they are in fact seething because said authority is not rewarding their submissiveness with a free wife.

because when a man has sex with you he becomes a jealous, possessive, controlling dick that won't work.

Seriously, would you guys sign up for that?

>>34837029
Again, I must ask, how much do you suck at picking the right men that you encounter this on a regular basis?

Men are not intellectually stimulating to them.

>>34829351
>They do want relationships just not with you. They want chad.
No, they want a rich guy, not a chad. He could be ugly af, but if he's rich they'll chase after him because he'll make their life as easy and lazy as possible for them. A chad is just a bonus.

>>34837368
Chad is usually rich too, and if women can't get a rich Chad they'll use Chad for side dick and the rich guy for beta buxx, though the rich guy is usually getting his own side action anyway.

>>34829923
There are simply not enough attractive women to go around, only 20% are breedable yet most of them are being bred and almost all of them are taken either via situationships, marriages or long term stable relationships. You can also factor in immigration, technology, capitalism but there are many other factors.
The solution is to clone the best stock and redistribute it, however TPTB won't allow that and the best female stock will not let itself be cloned as they would lose their value and power overnight. The solution to that is Force, Will and Manifestation from the men.

>>34828227
because moids have nothing to offer and are a waste of time.
to shift attention away from their flaws, they'll try goalpost-shifting by whining
>you just need to pick better!!!!!
while conveniently leaving out that they're all shit one way or another.
society should remedy that by normalizing incest with incel sons. if a father has failed to raise his son, he must suck his son's cock whenever he asks, and thereby give him the sexual satisfaction that he'll never receive from a gf.

>>34838079
Mentally ill faggot

>>34838079
>if a father has failed to raise his son, he must suck his son's cock whenever he asks,
>and thereby give him the sexual satisfaction that he'll never receive from a gf.
The fuck did I just read?

>>34838451
if you raise a genetic dead end, the least you should do is offer sexual gratification and ease of his emotional suffering.
raising the brat to be a man was your job. you failed so hard that the kid grew up to be an incel who'll spend the rest of his life posting "y no gf?" all over the internet. you are why he will never have sex. so either give him 5k$/month to substitute with prostitutes, or you take over the prostitute's job yourself. either way - have fun.

Hmm well why?

>>34843615
Tell me why

I think heterosexual women like relationships but I don’t think they like sex.

>>34846054
No you've got that backwards.

>>34845906
Tell me why tell me why tell me whyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>34848632
Ohhhhhhhh tell me whyyyyyyyyyy

so far 8 matches on tinder after a week
none are responsive
it says 31 people like me but in a given day of swiping it seems a match isn't guaranteed

why is this

>>34852208
fuck tinder and touch grass

>>34852208
It works exactly the way it is designed, they want you to buy gold so that you can see likes and match them instantly.
If you're on android, then if you have a like then the like is usually 2nd on your stack, so you should always like it back. Then turn off the app and repeat. Another trick is to filter the exact age of the liking profile and distance if it's visible.

>>34829923
This. Too many options for women because there are 10 single guys for every girl and dating apps are cancerous fucking garbage trash. On dating apps women usually only gonna go for male super models Ive gotten two dates from dating apps after endless fucking swiping but they were actually both 4/10, bat shit insane and ended up brutally dumping me. IRL most women are already taken or are not even interested in holding a conversation with a guy like me.

>>34831651
>>34831657
both of these anons should kiss

>>34837029
hot

>>34852208
Wow, you're a Chad with these numbers.