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Does trying to hang yourself hurt, or do you pass out pretty quickly? If anyone here has tried and survived let me know how it went
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>>34833680
You are basically suffering for 4 minutes before perishing like a wimp
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>>34833687
Pershing like a wimp is crazy bro
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>>34833680
Seems pretty bad. I read once that when they were executing prisoners, it used to be considered merciful to drop them from a longer distance. To snap their neck quickly and reduce the suffering. Don't do it.
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Of course, its like hell, try to choke yourself which is unpleaseant but THAT plus hanging with your entire body weight is not really relaxing, you will pass out in arround 5 to 10 seconds at max so it wont be long, dont kill yourself btw
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>>34833687
Have you ever choked someone? It takes a few seconds to pass out if you do it right
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>>34833680
I mean, won't you cum and poop because of the hanging?
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>>34833750
Only 5-10 seconds ?? That cant be right
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>>34833680
If you dont snap your neck doing it youre in for a long rough ride
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Have fun doing the hanged man's dance for a several minutes while you regret everything.
It's hard to find a way to check out early that's quick, painless, doesn't endanger other people, doesn't leave a gruesome mess behind, and no risk of survival with crippling brain damage or something.
Just living with the pain really is the least shitty option.
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>>34833787
Ill take my chances.
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>>34833680
I saw a guy do it once in high school. It looked pretty painful. His face went deep red with his hands gripping at the rope and his legs frantically kicking around. The dude in the pic reminds me of him. Idk if he actually died. I just walked past because I was hyperfocused on getting to Spanish class and for some reason couldn’t really process what I was seeing then. The cops questioned me about it later but never told me how it turned out. I hope he lived though because it seems like a really shitty way to spend your last moments. Not recommended.
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>>34833839
your reaction is quite normal. sheeps in a herd behave similarly and just go along their day as if nothing happened. it just means that you aren't the main character
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>>34833849
I know. It bothered me at first, but I’ve been assured by professionals that it’s a normal human reaction, so I don’t feel much real guilt for that time. But I do feel a moral obligation to prevent such things from happening in the future having experienced this. Therefore, I must share this story.
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>>34833839
If cops questioned you then dude was probably dead so couldn't speak for himself.

>hyperfocused on getting to Spanish class and for some reason couldn’t really process what
Cooked but huh how come he did it somewhere public where others could see? Or you were late to class so it was just you happening to witness it

Sounds p ouch. Should check to see if he unalive
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>>34833754
Yeah but if you do it wrong then you're suffering A LOT as you slowly die in agony.
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>>34833680
It's the best way to kill yourself, really hard to survive and accessible
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>>34833680
So here's the thing, you're retarded. You don't understand what it means to have 90kg fall down even a short distance let alone neck breaking distance - you're simply going to break the rope, AND your neck. Then you're going to be depressed and paralyzed too. You're going to turn your life into actual hell.
Neck pain makes normal people want to kill themselves, you'll just go actually crazy and lose all of your senses. I would not hang in the great 26. Try jumping off somewhere high onto concrete. Head first. A bridge is a good option, you'll die rather quickly, maybe in 30 seconds after impact. Just make sure you hit hard concrete and not grass or something soft.

Obligatory don't kill yourself disclaimer
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>>34834843
I am NOT 90kgs!! I'm like 54
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>>34833680
Depends on the method. I've tried to kill myself a few times. You forget how much adrenaline has a part in it. I'm scared to say too much for fear of getting banned
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I am guessing most comments are random retards guessing shit as always so you can ignore them.
I read about suicide methods a few years ago. There used to be a suicide forum with detailed wiki, but no such thing stays in the current sanitized internet.
Anyway, you will only pass out quick if you are jumping from a significant height (I forgot the threshold sorry.) so that the shock of the impact will knock you unconscious. Jump from too high and it will decapitate you (assuming you are smart enough to use a rope durable enough for this), but I suppose too high is better from too low in this case.
In the cases where you don't jump, or jump from too little height, yeah you will typically suffer and trash around like a bitch for a few minutes. You will experience convolutions, involuntary movements, your eyes will be bloodshot, you might puke, if you are calm and composed enough to ask questions here instead of rushing the first stupid method you can think of, you will almost certainly experience regret and try to save yourself.
It is possible (or so it's said to be possible) to lose consciousness in less than a minute, but that requires thick enough rope applying pressure to the veins supplying blood to your brain at the correct angle. I wouldn't count on pulling it off, even if you had access to quality primary resources, much less my second hand retelling based on memory.
The purported balance between doable and ideal method is partial suspension with a thick enough rope pulling you behind and upwards, tied to something durable enough, hitting your neck from the correct angle that I can't precisely recall.
First time I tried this I bitched out so instantly. The second time I trashed around for like 45 seconds maybe I dunno I don't recall it's all a blur before freeing myself. Get on chair and kick it thing might work better but I have no experience with that.
So anyway no judgement but that was what I know. I am just going with my worthless incel chud life nowadays.
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>>34835760
Thanks for the response man, i think overdosing might be a better bet then! Proud of you for going on with your life despite your shortcomings. It takes guts not to kill yourself when you're miserable as fuck. I hope things get better for you
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>>34835982
nigga, he literally has no guts, otherwise he wouldn't be suffering life any longer.

be assured that overdosing may feel like an eternity of eternities. I did some mushrooms and i wasn't even trying to hurt myself, yet eternity of pain awaited me and it was no solace afterwards that in reality i was only there for half an hour. If you insist, iject directly into your bloodstream, so that your body won't puke it out. And do it somewhere far away in the wilderness, with no access to the phone so you can't call an ambulance
also, don't kill yourself disclaimer
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>>34833680
Your stomach will wretch to make yourself vomit and create an airway to breathe. It is extremely painful, like any violent act.

Go to the hospital and speak to a psychologist. It's much easier, and better.
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>>34835982
I have no experience with OD but as far as I know, unless you get lucky with, or have actual medical knowledge to know, the right combination of prescription medicine, attempting to OD will most likely result in puking everywhere and a hospital bill.
It's very unlikely to be successful with non-prescription meds, and still unlikely even with prescription meds, you need an actually potent combination and not quickly puke it out.
The surest and still painless (if done right) method I believe is a destructive enough gun blowing your brains out. You need something powerful enough like a shotgun though, something that will wreck large chunks of your brain easily. It's possible to survive shots from a smaller gun, a pistol or whatever, even if you don't miss, and turn into a retard, or worse, lose a significant chunk of your function, have constant seizures, but still retain enough awareness that you fucked up and regret it endlessly. Even with a powerful gun though, there still some chance of surviving with your jaw ripped off or face completely mangled if you don't aim it properly. I am not a gun expert, I remember even less about how to do it with guns since my shithole is cucked about guns anyway. Regardless I think the supposedly correct angle is inside your mouth, aimed in a way that makes sure of the bullet hitting your brainstem. But I feel like I would aim at my forehead straight-on if I was doing it with a gun. Again I won't pretend I have any clue about aiming part, I am just yapping at this point honestly. If you have access to potent explosive material blowing yourself up is another decent way but not accessible to most people. I remember reading about suffocating yourself with exhaust gas being touted as a great painless method but I am not convinced at all that you will die and not end up with brain damage.
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>>34836410
I don't recommend jumping on a train, still possible to survive, guaranteed to be mangled for life if you do. And depending on where you live your family can inherit an enormous bill for the delays and damages.
I also don't recommend jumping unless it's very high, like a skyscraper and you are falling on concrete. Jumping on water I definitely don't recommend since it's very easy to survive with a broken leg or whatever, and trash around in cold water with broken bones and drown in pain. Or even if you get rescued it's not a good time.
Suicide is some morbid shit, when you think about it with a calmer mind. Sorry for the rambling style btw. And probably forgetting to discuss some other common methods but that's all I can think of for now.
And lastly my life still sucks and I am skeptical it will get better. I am just trying to cope.
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>>34836415
wrist slitting?
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>>34836553
I don't remember too well how high or low its odds precisely are but I know there are cases of people waking up later feeling like they are freezing with the stereotypical slit your wrist with razor in a tub full of water method.
Cutting a major artery has higher chance of success obviously, but it will be very painful. It's also not as easy as you may think. People who attempt to stab their heart or neck artery very rarely succeed at first try. Most likely there will be multiple increasingly painful "hesitancy wounds" (it's called that or something similar) until you are able to deliver a powerful enough blow to puncture what you need to puncture properly. Then lots of pain until you pass out.
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You people will tell each other to kill themselves all the time, yet when others finally discuss the best ways to do it, you suddenly turn into social workers. I will never understand this.
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>>34836553
absolutely any method in which you attempt to inflict harm on your body will trigger the symphatetic nervous system, adrenaline boost and subsequent fight for your life, which your body will win and your mind will lose, unless you have a STRONG motivation, which you clearly don't

You are looking for a method i which your organic defenses are not triggered until it's already too late, so jumping, intravenous od, walking up to a lion, entering a favela or maybe a helium balloon. maaaybe a gun
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>>34836982
what if i get supppperrrr drunk first
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>>34833680
>kill yourself doing nothing
or
>kill yourself doing something
Ultimately, you shouldn't kill yourself and I hope your life gets better anon, but considering what other depressed nutjobs have done like Luigi or Uncle Ted
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>>34836757
Telling someone to kill themself is like a downvote on 4chan. We can't downvote people here like they do on Reddit, so we reply with KYS instead.
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>>34833680
You’re doing it wrong if you go by strangulation.
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>>34833755
Only poop
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>>34835760
Oh did that finally get taken down? Honestly it seemed like dakka was the only method that ticked all the boxes and obviously if local laws make it so you can’t get any you risk gasping and suffering for ages
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>>34836757
Hint: we don’t actually mean it
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>>34835760
>so that the shock of the impact will knock you unconscious
it's not this, the force from the fall tightens the slipknot fast enough that it severs your spinal cord in your neck which is what knocks you out.

The threshold for this is variable based on weight of the person, so it can be very finicky and easy to fuck it up in either direction.

Also, decapitation might be "instant" but then whoever finds you finds a headless body and a head. Which if you don't care, fine, sure, but personally I don't think I could inflict that on whoever found me. It's bad enough to find a dead person that's just killed themselves, they don't deserve to be double exposed to that AND my headless corpse.
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Not a good way to go, OP.
i've been thinking about it as well, ill likely head to the tallest building i can find in my city and jump from the tallest floor.
The fall will likely make me regret everything, but i think i will die instantly once i hit the concrete.
You will suffer if you hang.
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>>34839253
Yeah, but what if you live? I mean there are stories of people falling out of airplanes and living. Stranger things have happened.
Honestly with how things can go wrong suicide doesn't seem worth it. Especially since most people that attempt it say they regret it.
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>>34839282
My life will never change, the only fix for my problems is for me to be born again.
And i highly doubt ill survive a 100M+ fall into concrete, my body will explode and become a puddle of flesh.
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>>34839283
>My life will never change,
Well it won't with that attitude. And you're very bold in assuming reincarnation is real. Could be any number of things waiting for you beyond death. Even nothing at all. I see it like this. Everything eventually comes to an end, the good stuff and the bad stuff. So why not stick around and find out what's up next? Could be more bad stuff. Could be some good stuff. Could be the absolute peak of your life. Could be the lowest lows a man can experience. The point is you don't know what's up next, so it's better to keep experiencing life and find out.
Unless you're like some cripple or have dementia or something where your life is entirely dependent on the modern medical system.
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>>34839294
I'm just not a good person, i never accomplished anything in my life and never will.
I'm deliberately pushing my friends away as we speak, i lost the closest person i've had today as well (pretty much intended), as i've been thinking about this for at least 4 months now.

There is no fixing myself, i've been like this my whole life and i tried to change things in the last few years, to no avail at all.
Pretty sure i've been through my lowest last year, now i'm in this weird phase where i want to isolate myself, i was content with the idea until i actually saw my best friend go forever, a few hours later i felt extremely anxious and sad, but it is what it is, the goal is to spiral down enough to have the courage to actually take the leap once im at the spot (i've been there before multiple times, and i even took pictures of it)
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>>34839302
I also must add that i am not happy with who i am, i was born this way, and i always fought against it, then last year i allowed myself to "be myself" and i gotta say, it made things worse.
I want out.
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>>34839308
im the og poster, and i've gotta say YOU shouldn't kill yourself. the way i see it is im someone who genuinely is not made for life. i have done everything right, i have friends, a social life, im not ugly, im in college, im fine financially and yet every single day i want to blow my fucking brains out because my brain is never happy. i will never be happy. my life is good on paper and im still this fucking miserable. i wish to god i had something to pinpoint as the reason for being so miserable. because then i could fix it, and be happy. you can fix things. you'll be okay just keep going. for me, regardless of if my life is going good or bad i want to end my life because not existing sounds like the most peaceful thing on earth. the bliss of not having to wake up and be concious is the only thing i want out of life. i dont want money or a family. i want to not have to exist.
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>>34839282
i feel like they HAVE to say they regret it. they cant exactly say fuck i wish my attempt worked im gonna try again
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>>34839321
I can say the same about you, maybe your happiness lies somewhere else, something you haven't tried, someone you didn't meet yet, something.
But in reality, i think you and me both are tired of it all.

I was born with problems i can't fix and i wish i didn't have, i tried so hard to fight against them my whole life, but they genuinely cant be fixed, you can't fix a narc, i can't stand how i feel around people, i can't stand how im constantly having to police myself to not hurt people.
Constantly having to fight against all the shit that was hard coded into my brain, it's tiring, and thats just one of many problems i have.
To you i say the same, live enough to find the thing that will make you happy.
If not, guess we both will find our demise sooner or later.
Good luck, anon.
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>>34839340
maybe some people just aren't cut out for living. and maybe we are both too scared of the pain to actually kill ourselves. maybe we have no choice but to suffer and maybe this is actually hell. life feels like a punishment for some terrible crime i committed in a past life
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>>34839348
That could be true.
I was actually browsing /x/ and looking for something i could read on.
I like to think this planet is a school of sorts, we come here to learn a lesson, to be punished for something.
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>>34839352
i hope we find happiness or peace. but also, im so competitive because of this gay retarded capitalist society that no matter what i do, i'll always be comparing myself to the people around me. i don't think ill ever be able to be truly happy. that must be my christ. i probably laughed too much in a past life god had to teach me lesson. i hope someone shoots me bro
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>>34839366
i meant curse not christ my bad
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>>34839366
We all have our problems and i belive at this point we are more than tired of knowing them.
God help us, if not, may we find peace somehow.
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>>34839374
You too. Its nice not feeling so alone in not wanting to exist
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I have a rope that can hold 3 metric tonnes, and I've found a couple of places that would probably be good spots to do it in, as well. Far enough away from public view that nobody would stop me, and nobody would be traumatised by seeing me doing it/finding me accidentally, but still close enough and easy enough to find that the police and ambulance could find and retrieve my body fairly easily.
But the research I've done and the articles I've found suggest that while being able to pass out fairly quickly is technically possible, the chances of fucking it up are fairly high. Suspension hanging has a very high chance of thrashing and choking desperately. Drop hanging gets around it by breaking your neck, but it also has documented cases of going wrong. Like some people ITT have already stated, it can result in decapitation, but there are also cases where the calculations weren't correctly done (this is information I could not find), and those people just ended up choking and thrashing, as well.
No method is 100% successful. Even the ones with a higher chance of success often involve elaborate methods, or access to items that can be hard for the general public to acquire. I looked into making an exit bag, until I found out that the helium available to the general public isn't strong enough to kill you.
I've looked at a lot of suicide articles, photos and videos on my path to look up ways to die. I spent a long time watching videos of people killing themselves hoping it would give me enough inspiration to stop being a pussy and just do it. That doesn't seem to have worked, either.
It might also be worth mentioning that a lot of people who try to kill themselves regret doing it the instant the proverbial wheels are in motion. Pic related is one of the most famous examples, but apparently there are many others like him.
Sorry I can't give anything that actually immediately helps, but there are no quick and easy answers on this stuff.
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>>34839707
>the helium available to the general public isn't strong enough to kill you
Sorry, I got that bit wrong. Turns out it is, but there are just other factors that can prevent it from working, anyway. Plus it falls into the same category other people ITT have mentioned of methods that if they don't work, can leave you with lifelong health problems.
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>>34839711
Don’t they mix it with other stuff?
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hanging yourself is much more complicated, depending on where the pressure lands: you can have an easy death by feeling lightheaded blocking your artery, if you do it a certain way, you can also snap your head, those are the best options, but it’s more common to choke yourself out and the survival instinct kicks in.

question, do you have access to guns? it’s the most painless from the suicide handbook.
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>>34840482
No, not in my country unfortunately. I think every country besides the US makes it pretty difficult to access guns
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>>34835982
i overdosed on 4 months worth of high strength SSRI's.
overdose absolutely isnt the way, its a 1 in 100 shot of killing you and you WILL spend 18 hours vomitting and sweating profusely whilst having minor seizures and dilating your pupils like saucers.
pic related being my iv bruise from when my ass got dragged to hospital and injected with magnesium and odansotron from my last attempt.
carbon monoxide poisoning always seemed the most painless to me but then you read conflicting things about that.
basically any method you undertake involves pain and a high likelihood you will permanently disable yourself in some way.
i wouldnt reccommend it.
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>>34839282
i never regretted any of my attempts.
i regret that they didnt work but i've been very upfront with my family and doctors that there is no future in which my life doesnt end in suicide.
the toughest part is trying it once seriously, after you've done that you lose a lot of the fear.
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>>34833680
you're such a pussy
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>>34841024
Lots of states make it very hard too.
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>>34833805
I once gave an option that was, all things considered, relatively painless


and they banned me for 14 days
so no advice on how to kys on here
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>>34833839
>I just walked past because I was hyperfocused on getting to Spanish class and for some reason couldn’t really process what I was seeing then
man autism is really a scourge on earth, you guys should be put down as soon as you're diagnosed
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>>34835760
>I am just going with my worthless incel chud life nowadays.
this people who value themselves so little and want to kill themselves so bad are the ones trying to decide how the rest of us should live with their worthless ideologies infecting even normie right wing parties all over the world btw
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>>34841047
what do your parents say to that?
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>>34841087
so you're trying to tell me that you can give kys advice here as long as it doesn't really work?
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>>34841147
precisely
here it's all scary painful methods so people don't really try to
encouragement is very very veeeeeeeeery frowned upon and giving solid options is a bannable offense
but there is actually a wiki that rated popular killing methods by efficacy and painfulness and it was up not too long ago but I won't link it
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>>34841139
nothing much they can, they both cried when i told them i didnt regret it.
only my mom ever asked me any questions and all she asked was "weren't you scared ?".
i dont talk to them about it otherwise.
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>>34841164
there's always some weird larper in these threads that act like anybody cant just download tor browser and access SS in five minutes lol
its not exactly hard to access info.
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>>34841188
and why do people come and ask here if it's so easy?
it's easy for me to build a computer and to write with my left hand
both are very hard for other people
it's very dumb of you to assume everyone has the same skills in every facet of life.
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>>34841188
I remember that site and honestly the information is basically “you can do X but it’s not reliable and also if the local laws are too tough you’re boned.”
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>>34841233
because its true.
suicide is typically prone to failure and not advised.
obviously a shotgun blast to the dome is more likely to kill you than swallowing a handful of paracetamol but plenty of people survive the former in a worse state of affairs.
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I want to post something positive, but I don't really have anything to say at all

Just enjoy these mice I guess
>plenty of people survive the former in a worse state of affairs.
Because often the attempt fails
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>>34841244
That’s why they need to repeal those restrictive laws so I can just check out
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>>34841337
Someone less lazy reply with the electrocuted mouse image. I think burialgoods just did a YouTube video reading of it
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>>34841034
I belive the only "right" way of doing it inolves stuff that will 100% destroy your brain.
AKA, shotgun to the head, jumping out of somewhere extremely high into concrete...
Every other method has a high chance of leaving you more fucked than what you already are.

Kinda related, i've been watching a lot of videos on places where people kill themselves, golden gate bridge, and especially aokigahara.
i might take this to /x/ to ask, but it seems like those places are beyond haunted, and the common theme i see with these "spirit hunters" is suffering and pain, seems like people that take their own lives continue to feel pain after they do it.

It scares me.
I want to do it to stop feeling what i feel, to free myself, i don't want to make it worse.
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>>34842965
That’s all bullshit btw
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>>34833680
I don't think that shit is pleasant. If you can snap your neck, then it would be quicker. But if not, it's not particulary comfortable to strangle for 5 minutes.
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>>34843190
Figured,
Ill have a chance at attempting it saturday, ill go to an event in a place with quite a few skyscrapers , we shall see what will happen then, i was just laying in bed thinking of it, all that i could think of was my friends.
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I also fear of hitting things on the way down and possibly a pedestrain or a car in the street.
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>>34840464
Don't know, I guess I got it confused with something else; I haven't looked into that method in a long time now. But cursory research suggests it is still strong enough to do it, but is also not guaranteed. I found cases of people who tried it and still woke up later. Like most other methods, failure can also run the risk of permanent medical problems.
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>>34843193
Jumping out of a skyscraper is a real dick move, man.
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>>34843193
Then don’t do it.
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>>34843206
Choose a clear path and the right time of day?
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>>34843193
I'm sorry but quit posing dude. Stop it, this is not how you get attention. Have you learned nothing in your miserable life? No one will give a fuck, and if they do - you won't know about it because you're dead. Your actions are a product of the way you think right now. To jump off a high place takes an incredible amount of delusion.

I grew up in Israel, when a terrorist does an attack they often take speed right before, or a mixture of drugs. It is very well documented here. They are purposefully doing this so that they're roided up and unstoppable and they don't let fear stop them right before.
You're an amerimutt, you can easily get access to drugs that pump you up big time to suppress fear reaction.

Streamer reckful killed himself by jumping off his balcony onto concrete. These things succeed, but it takes a lot of guts to do it.

RIP
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>>34844562
Easy access really depends on the state
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>>34844562
>implying i want attention
No one knows i'm planning this shit, and at this point it isn't about others caring, it's about stopping a never ending cycle of getting a bit better than something happening and feeling absolutely miserable for months/years, i'm tired, doesn't matter if something good happens, somethint worse will come and fuck everything up, i no longer have the willpower to keep going with this shit, call me a coward, whatever you want.
I want out of this shit, people caring or not.
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>>34845350
I’m in a similar boat tbdesu
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>>34845660
If we look at the grand scheme of things anon, a lot of people end their own lifes every day, we're nothing man, what that anon said is true.
No one cares.
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>>34833680
Was 190 iq when I tried to hang myself, now it's 105, felt like my mind was being unburdened.
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>>34839140
So, you guys actually care about human life now? That's funny.
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>>34833750
If someone does it correctly, it does not cause choking (constriction of the airways/trachea; which causes the hypercapnic reflex, feeling of suffocation), but only constriction of the blood flow (carotid sheath) which causes loss of consciousness. And it doesn't require using your full body weight either.
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>>34835760
British standard tables are readily available, the empire was quite efficient and wrote everything down after centuries of thorough testing.
Don't run from the thought, but don't run towards it with action, either. Sit with it, meditate on it, and really think it through, try to fully picture the sensations it would cause in your final moments. You probably don't actually want to experience that as much as you want to escape whatever life situation you're in.
Imagine your death over and over again, day after day, and fully inhabit the sensations. You may discover that while you don't fear death, it also isn't something worth seeking prematurely.
Bushido isn't a coping method I've seen recommended often, but it's worked well for me.
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>>34833680
Ignore disencouragement , "you might become paralized" is even a thing psychologists are trained to say to convince you not to do it.
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>>34846453
It’s more like we’re in the middle
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>>34846453
The skin color makes a big difference.
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>>34846584
But their hyoid bone
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>>34846781
British standard tables?
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Cannot fathom how weak willed and uncreative you have to be to decide to kys. At that point you should be freed from all of life's obligations and not care about any consequences, since you want to die anyway, right? It can't get any worse, can it?
Yet you choose to waste this state of mind offing yourself. Truly baffling.
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>>34836757
How do I like a comment in here. Literally what I was thinking when I posted about advice on how to do it
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>>34847759
Everyone is different and people react to things differently.
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>>34846584
So if i make myself pass out right before i hang myself by slowly stopping the bloodflow to my head, it wont hurt ??
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>>34849735
Anon, anything that doesn't kill you instantly has a high risk of hurting a lot or making you retarded for the rest of your life.
If you are really about it, go for something that will put you out without a doubt.
Extremely high jump into solid ground
Shotgun to the head
Being honest, a 12 gauge to your brain is a sure and quick way of going out.
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>>34834256
I was actually going to school early to get help for a test or project or something. That specific hallway with the staircase was known for sketchy shit because it was way in the back and apparently had no cameras. There weren’t many people but it definitely wasn’t just me around there, and I think the fact that there were other people but nobody else had reacted yet was what made it difficult to process the situation as something out of the ordinary, but I don’t really know. There was a commotion a bit later and that’s when the realization hit.

I’m not sure he died because they never gave an announcement or did a mental health awareness thing like when another guy killed himself. I don’t even know how I’d find that info though at this point though
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>>34847700
It's more like you're contrarians who flip-flop on every issue.



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